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My question was purely mechanical... is he influential? Do people with more financial resources copy his style? Is he an animator's animator? What defines "important" in that statement?
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wayfinder posted:My question was purely mechanical... is he influential? Do people with more financial resources copy his style? Is he an animator's animator? What defines "important" in that statement? It could be because he's 25 years old, has made some incredibly popular animation, gotten his work played at Sundance, and his work seems to be generally well-received. I personally don't really "get" External World, though, so I can only conclude that I'm probably just too old. Like I said in the previous post, his work is technically well-made but I'm just wondering what the hell it's trying to say, and why it takes 17 minutes to say it. A friend of mine said "External World" was the modern equivalent of Don Hertzfeldt's "Rejected". I can agree with that only in terms of its popularity with online audiences. Anyways. Finished re-texturing this thing just now. 3d Coat is just awesome. The "sand" caked onto the model is actually a small amount of sugar on black paper.  Click here for the full 1300x731 image.
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Feb 26, 2011 14:46
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That tank is looking good. The star looks raised up from the rest of the tanks surface. I thought the decals would just be painted on?
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Feb 26, 2011 15:08
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Well, thanks to this thread I watched "The External World" again and I'm starting to come around to where it's coming from. I think it's definitely an age gap thing that's making me not quite understand it. I think it's kinda referencing the gross-out humor of South Park, the graphics of the Playstation 1, anime, and the whole 4chan sense of humor. These are all things that weren't around and/or massively popular til I was an adult (except for the PS1) so I guess it's definitely a Gen Y thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But ultimately when something is an in-joke based on something you grew up with it's going to be predispositioned to providing more laughs than something from another generation, I guess. Achtung! Panzer posted:That tank is looking good. Good point, I agree. I'd actually left the bump and reflection maps exactly the same as the diffuse map, hoping I'd get away with it due to the fact I'm delivering in 1024x576. I should make dedicated separate diffuse/bump/reflect etc maps of it though, and I will. schmuckfeatures fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Feb 26, 2011 |
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Feb 26, 2011 15:23
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wayfinder posted:My question was purely mechanical... is he influential? Do people with more financial resources copy his style? Is he an animator's animator? What defines "important" in that statement? Purely my opinion. It's based on what he's doing, the fact that he's doing it alone*, his style, the notoriety he's received, his age, the fact that nobody is copying it with a bigger budget. Lots of reasons. Don't get too hung up on it if you don't agree. *Go find a handful of student shorts that you've really enjoyed from the past 6-8 years. I'd bet there's a good chance that none of them are producing their own work right now.
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Feb 26, 2011 16:06
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DefMech posted:Purely my opinion. It's based on what he's doing, the fact that he's doing it alone*, his style, the notoriety he's received, his age, the fact that nobody is copying it with a bigger budget. Lots of reasons. Don't get too hung up on it if you don't agree. Seriously though. Does anyone consider this stuff to be in any way close to what Don Hertzfeldt was doing? This is like the 4chan MSPaint equivalent of Hertzfeldt. O'Reilly doesn't have anywhere near the level of artistic ability and social commentary that Hertzfeldt had. He's a pale imitator, to say the least. For chrissakes, this guy's entire repertoire consists of "HEY GUYS ISN'T THIS RANDOM! RANDOM RANDOM RANDOM ***~~~FARTZZZ~~~***" and he doesn't seem to have anything more to say than that. To call him the most important figure in animation today is a loving insult to people like Gilliam and Plympton and Hertzfeldt, and just about every other recent animator who actually made something that meant something. DefMech posted:*Go find a handful of student shorts that you've really enjoyed from the past 6-8 years. I'd bet there's a good chance that none of them are producing their own work right now. The IMDB listing of External World lists at least two other animators as having worked on the film, and doesn't list David O'Reilly in that capacity. schmuckfeatures fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 26, 2011 |
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Feb 26, 2011 18:10
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Personally I felt like I was watching a far less perfectly realized episode of Xavier: Renegade Angel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIrvK7xTbAg&feature=related
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Feb 26, 2011 19:01
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I don't think he's being random for randomness' sake. There's definitely things he's saying there, but they are presented in a collage. I'm not saying he's Picasso or anything, but it isn't just "lol! I'm edgy!"
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Feb 26, 2011 19:21
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mutata posted:I don't think he's being random for randomness' sake. There's definitely things he's saying there, but they are presented in a collage. I'm not saying he's Picasso or anything, but it isn't just "lol! I'm edgy!" Well what is he saying, then? Please tell me. Because otherwise I just don't get it. I mean that. All I'm seeing is meaningless randomness and vulgarity for the sake of randomness and vulgarity. Edit: somebody else here summed it up better than I could: quote:I love the aesthetic, but I felt like the kid screaming and beating a drum in an art museum at 9:30 summed up the whole purpose of the film. I'm happy to stand corrected, though, if somebody could explain cohesively to me what I'm supposed to find so amazing about it. Edit: maybe this comment (from the same website) explains it. quote:I think the people hating this film are just old, This is a very internet culture and the absurdism that goes along with it. You kids these days and your internets 
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Feb 26, 2011 19:22
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sigma 6 posted:I don't really know how to describe this. You have to watch it for yourself. That's actually pretty awesome. The style reminds me of Katamari Damacy.
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Feb 26, 2011 20:14
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schmuckfeatures posted:Well what is he saying, then? Please tell me. Because otherwise I just don't get it. I mean that. All I'm seeing is meaningless randomness and vulgarity for the sake of randomness and vulgarity. I'll rewatch it later tonight and post what I got out of it. The randomness and internet culture is definitely a part of it, though, but I think that's just what he knows and is drawing from to communicate rather than the message itself.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:42
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schmuckfeatures posted:Seriously though. Does anyone consider this stuff to be in any way close to what Don Hertzfeldt was doing? This is like the 4chan MSPaint equivalent of Hertzfeldt. O'Reilly doesn't have anywhere near the level of artistic ability and social commentary that Hertzfeldt had. He's a pale imitator, to say the least. Gilliam and Plympton were game changers decades ago. Hertzfeldt was a big deal 10 years ago. I think OReilly is a big deal right now. Both times I've commented on this, I've stated it as my opinion. I really like the guy's work a lot and I think he's extremely interesting. You seem to be getting really riled up about this, so I'm sorry for even saying anything in the first place. I understand that you don't really like his latest work, but go watch Please Say Something and Black Lake and tell me he's all about "Random" and stupid 4chan stuff.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:52
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I think it's definitely rooted in internet culture. I'm not entirely sure what I make of it either. It's really huge and complex so I think it will take a while to sink in really. I kind of felt like some parts were fantastic and very well thought-out and some bits seemed like as said earlier, the kid with the drum. Perhaps that was deliberate. I guess it takes on the persona of internet culture where everything is 'deprecated' and everything means ten other things. It was kind of nihilistic in how everything just falls apart and blood-splatters and is raw and debouch but I guess that's the internet. I would say it was immature and superficial but I guess that's the internet too. I'm still not sure what I think about it really, but I think it's very interesting.
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Feb 26, 2011 21:56
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I liked the short. I'll have to go check out his other films.
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Feb 27, 2011 06:37
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Oh man, something my friend noticed that you might find interesting, is that in the first train scene, you hear laughing followed by the blood on the windows. At the end, when that laughing guy falls out of the "Applause" house, he hits that train, so that explains the laughing of the first scene. I never really noticed it until now, but that's really cool.
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Feb 27, 2011 10:14
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DefMech posted:I really like the guy's work a lot and I think he's extremely interesting. You seem to be getting really riled up about this, so I'm sorry for even saying anything in the first place. Sorry if I sounded like a dick before. It's like one of those Magic Eye pictures where everyone else can see a sailboat and all I can see is noise. Anyways, speaking of CG shorts. Anybody here seen The Lost Thing? It's a really nicely done short and I think it definitely deserved the Oscar. It'd be cool to check out some of the other nominees. Feels like the number of contenders must really be swelling every year since there's so much top-notch software available nowadays.
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Feb 28, 2011 10:33
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schmuckfeatures posted:Feels like the number of contenders must really be swelling every year since there's so much top-notch software available nowadays. Although that's kind of like saying "well there's so many pencils in the world now, artists must be having trouble with all the competition!", but the thing is that it's not about tools, I mean, you can pretty much replicate anything in mspaint even with enough time and effort, it's just that tools simplify or speed up the process. To contend though you still need an amazing style and creativity, not to mention actually having skill at what you do.
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Feb 28, 2011 10:37
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Tw1tchy posted:Although that's kind of like saying "well there's so many pencils in the world now, artists must be having trouble with all the competition!", but the thing is that it's not about tools, I mean, you can pretty much replicate anything in mspaint even with enough time and effort, it's just that tools simplify or speed up the process. To contend though you still need an amazing style and creativity, not to mention actually having skill at what you do. I see your point, but the results you can get from off-the-shelf software and fairly standard equipment these days is a lot more bang for your buck than you could get 15 years ago. Granted, you've still got to line up an array of extremely specialised tools and combine the knowledge of how to use them with an artistic sensibility, but short filmmaking seems a lot more accessible now than it did in the 90s. Hell, I remember what it was like to try and transfer something done in DeluxePaint Animation across to a VHS tape back then. Something as simple as that was a technical nightmare. It seems pretty laughable given what can be accomplished now. Gareth Edwards' Monsters is pretty much the poster-child for what's achievable nowadays: as long as you have a decent amount of talent, you can make a good-looking feature film using a relatively inexpensive camera and do all the visual effects yourself. That just wasn't possible twenty years ago. schmuckfeatures fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Feb 28, 2011 |
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Feb 28, 2011 12:20
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schmuckfeatures posted:I see your point, but the results you can get from off-the-shelf software and fairly standard equipment these days is a lot more bang for your buck than you could get 15 years ago. Granted, you've still got to line up an array of extremely specialised tools and combine the knowledge of how to use them with an artistic sensibility, but short filmmaking seems a lot more accessible now than it did in the 90s. Short filmmaking is a lot more accessible, but speaking as somebody who seems a lot of amateur short films I can safely say that what Twi1tchy is saying is true. While it's easier to add effects and get a film out there, it doesn't mean your film is anything but a steaming pile.
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Feb 28, 2011 15:18
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One of the things that I think has changed for the better is access. 15 years ago, if you didn't work in the industry or live in LA or NY, you'd never see or even hear of any of the nominated shorts outside of the awards broadcast. Whether it's on DVD, YouTube or some other video site or a torrent megapack, I can watch all of them easily.
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Feb 28, 2011 15:58
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Looks like all the Autodesk 2012 softwares will be shown tomorrow at gdc.
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Feb 28, 2011 18:22
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keyframe posted:Looks like all the Autodesk 2012 softwares will be shown tomorrow at gdc. Wonder if they'll be able to top the "viewcube"
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Mar 1, 2011 02:55
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Ratmann posted:Wonder if they'll be able to top the "viewcube" http://area.autodesk.com/gdc "Autodesk Maya 2012 Viewport 2.0 Enhancements" 
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Mar 4, 2011 12:41
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It's too bad these dumb ATI drivers disable using Viewport 2.0 for me ughhh what the dick. I'm too lazy to revert my drivers so I'm just going to use Marmoset instead :P
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Mar 4, 2011 13:45
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nvm think this wrong question for thread
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Mar 4, 2011 17:19
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Zsinjeh posted:
You shouldnt make fun of it because it owns. I have been on the 2012 beta and this is going to be the best release of maya in a while.
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Mar 4, 2011 18:50
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Zsinjeh posted:Autodesk 2012 suite details and videos up now on their GDC page: Thanks for the link. Nice they are finally integrating the packages a bit tighter. The "new" reconstruct subD feature in Mudbox is something Zbrush has had for a while. I do really like sculpting out the phonemes / blendshapes in mudbox layers though.
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Mar 5, 2011 04:54
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So anyone going to do Dominance war on Tuesday? I saw your demon on polycount Ceebee, looking awesome. Hope to see some stuff from you guys!
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Mar 5, 2011 14:45
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enginedriver posted:So anyone going to do Dominance war on Tuesday? I saw your demon on polycount Ceebee, looking awesome. Hope to see some stuff from you guys! I might start in 2 weeks when my break starts. I have to work on finals for school this week and the next, it's going to be hectic and I'm already pulling all nighters  Gonna see what the rules are this year to determine whether I participate or not.
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Mar 5, 2011 16:01
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Ah how so? Which rules?
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Mar 5, 2011 16:40
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enginedriver posted:So anyone going to do Dominance war on Tuesday? I saw your demon on polycount Ceebee, looking awesome. Hope to see some stuff from you guys! I am totally doing it this year, need something to motivate me to do stuff at home again!
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Mar 5, 2011 17:12
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Need some good high-poly work in my portfolio, and Dom War is as good an excuse as any to get some work done. Edit: I also got 2 friends who are in creative ruts to agree to give it a go with me. Hooray for community events! mutata fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 5, 2011 |
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Mar 5, 2011 19:16
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mutata posted:Need some good high-poly work in my portfolio, and Dom War is as good an excuse as any to get some work done. I'm going to tell all my game-art-student friends to give it a go and they're all going to ignore me just like they do every year 
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Mar 6, 2011 19:01
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Hey guys, I'm working with exported Revit scenes in max, and they all use promaterials. Since my bosses want to use those scenes for realtime applications too, I have to replace all of the materials with standard ones, which is a bitch to do. Multyconverter and other scripts haven't worked so far, though I do have a script that replaces everything with standard materials, but doesn't copy over the diffuse texture. Anyone got any experience dealing with stuff like this? I know it's scriptable, but since I lack the brainpower to learn that, I'm kind of at a dead end.
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Mar 6, 2011 20:00
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International Log posted:Anyone got any experience dealing with stuff like this? I know it's scriptable, but since I lack the brainpower to learn that, I'm kind of at a dead end. I'm guessing there are too many materials for you to use copy & paste without wasting a lot of time, right? I'd be tempted just to copy and paste things into slots if it's just the diffuse texture, but ultimately that's because MaxScript isn't my forte. Anyways. Spent a few hours on texturing this Mitsubishi Zero. It's another model I've made some minor modelling adjustments on, and I'm doing the texturing in 3d Coat. Linked for hugeness:  The bump maps and reflections aren't set up properly yet -- I'm doing the same thing I did with the tank (i.e. setting diffuse to bump) until I've finished painting the diffuse layer. From there it should be pretty straightforward to make the adjustments in 3d Coat and export it as a separate map.
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Mar 6, 2011 22:17
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schmuckfeatures posted:I'm guessing there are too many materials for you to use copy & paste without wasting a lot of time, right? I'd be tempted just to copy and paste things into slots if it's just the diffuse texture, but ultimately that's because MaxScript isn't my forte. Yeah, the problem is that there are at most only 4-5 materials in a scene. But since revit's mesh/material handling is utter crap, it makes a copy of the same material for every object, and puts that in a different multi-sub object. If there was a way to change them all, I'd be happy to find out.
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Mar 7, 2011 12:32
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enginedriver posted:So anyone going to do Dominance war on Tuesday? I saw your demon on polycount Ceebee, looking awesome. Hope to see some stuff from you guys! Tempted. If I do join I'm representing Team SA. gently caress the official 3D forums
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Aliginge posted:Tempted. If I do join I'm representing Team SA. gently caress the official 3D forums Wait . . . SA is represented somehow on Dom War? Or am I missing something?
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Mar 9, 2011 01:48
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sigma 6 posted:Wait . . . SA is represented somehow on Dom War? Or am I missing something? he meant unofficially lol
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ceebee posted:he meant unofficially lol We COULD be, though. We definitely have a sufficiently ugly logo that we'd be forced to work into our design!
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