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The jedi always came across as being really crappy in that fight. I'm too used to the jedi of the games when one can go around taking on intergalactic crime bosses and sith lords for breakfast, then a whole load get killed by loving battle droids.
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RedTeam posted:The jedi always came across as being really crappy in that fight. I'm too used to the jedi of the games when one can go around taking on intergalactic crime bosses and sith lords for breakfast, then a whole load get killed by loving battle droids. If only Starkiller was there.
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Feb 28, 2011 23:59
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Starkiller could blink them out of existance, but even Kyle Katarn or Revan isn't getting killed by no battle droid on my watch. 
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Mar 1, 2011 00:03
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How did the Separatists not discover that a massive armada of space craft had flown to the planet until they were at the arena? Adama maneuver.
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Mar 1, 2011 00:09
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RedTeam posted:The jedi always came across as being really crappy in that fight. I'm too used to the jedi of the games when one can go around taking on intergalactic crime bosses and sith lords for breakfast, then a whole load get killed by loving battle droids. That's what happens when you bring N'Sync to a lightsaber duel.
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Mar 1, 2011 00:11
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KaosFactor posted:That's what happens when you bring N'Sync to a lightsaber duel. Anyone have the twirling lightsaber .gif?
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Mar 1, 2011 00:15
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Did I hear twirling lightsabers?
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Mar 1, 2011 00:42
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Lucas' next edit will be 2 hours of that gif. True fans will love it and defend it.
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VROOM VROOM posted:Did I hear twirling lightsabers? Yessss. Yesssss.
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Mar 1, 2011 01:11
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Which guy swung first?
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Mar 1, 2011 01:23
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:What exactly was Mace Windu's plan anyway? He didn't know about Yoda so basically he got 200 Jedi killed for nothing.
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Mar 1, 2011 01:36
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WhyteRyce posted:Which guy swung first? Greedo.
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Kung Food posted:After watching the Clone Wars cartoon I came to the conclusion that Mace was the only Jedi who actually needed to be there. The guy is seriously overpowered. Maybe he was just thinning the heard of the sucky Jedi, ie the ones who are not Mace Windu. Mace's plans all revolve around his Jedi partners getting quickly cut down like a bunch of chumps. It's his thing.
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Mar 1, 2011 02:00
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movax posted:I just really hate IG-88_. I think it all stems from getting killed by him repeatedly in the SOE N64 game as a wee lad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-KyLQujQA
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Powered Descent posted:Nope, just stand there in the middle of a gigantic open area, surrounded by endless waves of disposable bad guys with blaster rifles, and wait to get killed by statistically-inevitable lucky shots. In my experience, there's no such thing as luck.
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Mar 1, 2011 09:44
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WhyteRyce posted:He had to get there 5 minutes before Yoda could otherwise Anakin would have died! Obi-Wan did tell them about the army on Kamino. However, where and how he got the Star Destroyers and Transport ships is another question. Maybe with every 10000 clones you get a Star Destroyer for free.
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Decius posted:Obi-Wan did tell them about the army on Kamino. However, where and how he got the Star Destroyers and Transport ships is another question. Maybe with every 10000 clones you get a Star Destroyer for free. The scale and speed at which starships are built in the Star Wars universe always makes me  especially when you compare to it our manufacturing today. (Think about how long it'd take our manufacturing infrastructure to build a 1.6km long death-dealing warship with accommodation for 37,000 crewers).Truly slave labor, construction droids and the dark side of the Force are manufacturing's best friends. 
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movax posted:Truly slave labor, construction droids and the dark side of the Force are manufacturing's best friends. Yeah, you'd think that, but just wait until you try to cut costs a little bit more by taking away some vacation days. Then see what happens when the might of unified workers opposes you. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the union.
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movax posted:Truly slave labor, construction droids and the dark side of the Force are manufacturing's best friends. Don't forget complete disreguard for safety standards! Safety rales and complete floors are for pussies man, we're fighting a star war!
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Decius posted:Obi-Wan did tell them about the army on Kamino. He told them, but you'd think Yoda had to fly out to Kamino too see the army first before he could mobilize it. I doubt he just asked clones to meet up with him for the first time outside the parking lot of the arena. And it's a giant army, it's not like Yoda just pulled up to Kamino in his station wagon, honked the horn, and the clones ran out of the house and jumped into the backseat of his car.
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Not to defend AOTC, but the clones were obviously ready to go when Obi-Wan was there, and Yoda, being a top ranking Jedi, probably had access to the Republic armory and shipyards. So he'd be able to zoom over with their fastest troop transports and mobilize much faster than Obi-Wan and his little ship would've.
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Mister Roboto posted:Not to defend AOTC, but the clones were obviously ready to go when Obi-Wan was there, and Yoda, being a top ranking Jedi, probably had access to the Republic armory and shipyards. So he'd be able to zoom over with their fastest troop transports and mobilize much faster than Obi-Wan and his little ship would've. But the Republic shouldn't even have an armoury or troop transports. They didn't have an army to begin with.
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I'm pretty sure that when Obi-Wan looked down at the clones doing their military maneuvers they were already loading up into the Star Destroyer type things. So obviously the cloners contracted ship builders to make them. My question is, "how did no one notice that the ship-builders were spending lots of money to make ships for some unspecified large army?"
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Slantedfloors posted:But the Republic shouldn't even have an armoury or troop transports. They didn't have an army to begin with. They had plenty of planets, i.e. Naboo, and each of those planets obviously had armies and ships. Makes sense the Republic would have access to some form of army, even if it wasn't huge yet.
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Mister Roboto posted:They had plenty of planets, i.e. Naboo, and each of those planets obviously had armies and ships. Makes sense the Republic would have access to some form of army, even if it wasn't huge yet. I prefer to think that the ships were manufactured by the Trade Federation under a very suspiciously worded contract.
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Even if the clones were ready to go, Yoda still had to get there first. And since it's supposed to be in some out-of-the-way, only truckstop diner cooks have heard of it planet, it would have taken Yoda a decent amount of time to arrive. And even if you can explain away how they had so many giant troop carriers ready to go, it still doesn't explain how Mace arrived with a small strikeforce of Jedi barely minutes before Yoda WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Mar 1, 2011 |
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National Guard are normally under the control of the state governors right? They get standard equipment from the US army. And yeah, you can build a lot with out OSHA type safety standards. In the 1880s railroad companies can lay up to 8 miles of track a day. There was a 20 mile road widening project on a road that linked my university to I-95 that started before I went to school and finished a year after I left.
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Slantedfloors posted:In that case, none of their weapons or equipment should be standarized. Which they are. Yeah...those are TOO specific a complaint about the series. Star Trek is the series that has extreme levels of details down to the numbers and designs of the equipment. Star Wars is literally "what looks cool" and later on some EU writers retcon a 1000 year old religious reason in.
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KaosFactor posted:National Guard are normally under the control of the state governors right? They get standard equipment from the US army. The National Guard are all part of the same nation, though. The Republic is a supranational government.A better comparison would be the differing equipment of the national armies in the EU. Also, I can't believe I'm arguing about why the Spacemans have the same rocketships.
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Wait. You guys who acknowledge that hyperspeed operates on the speed of plot (it does) are arguing about manufacturing and readiness (also speed of plot) speeds?
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By the time Padme yelled LOOK the clones were descending in the landers and there were Star Destroyers all around in the sky. Apparently they did hear them coming right before then which I can understand over the clamor of combat oh wait it was just Dooku talking to the entire arena.
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I watched AOTC again and frankly I'm disappointed they had a Yoda fight scene, I know it's the kids wanted and lightsabers are super cool but I thought that the main use of a light saber was to help harness and focus the use of the force. Basically I wanted Yoda to turn on the light-saber and then just sort of wish Count Dooku out of existence.
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Mar 1, 2011 20:00
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Nobody wanted Yoda to be all flippy sabery. It would've fit so much better if Yoda (and Sidious) were the Wizards vs the Jedi Knight. No need for mundane physical battles when they have superior mental powers. However, I don't think Lucas could work out a telekinetic fight that didn't look ridiculous, so he went the other way with Yoda.
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Slantedfloors posted:The National Guard are all part of the same nation, though. The Republic is a supranational government.A better comparison would be the differing equipment of the national armies in the EU. The equipment of the different armies of the EU nations are basically standardized, compatible with each other and the US. It's not all literally the same stuff, but the rifles all shoot the same bullets and that sort of thing. It's not so strange for the various planetary defense forces to have at least partially compatible stuff. And even in the absence of an official "military", the Republic still might conceivably have a respectable navy to keep the trade routes safe from space pirates and whatnot. These days Japan has arguably the second most formidable navy in the world despite officially having no military. And hey, if arguing hard-SF logistics in space opera is wrong I don't want to be right.
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Captain von Trapp posted:And hey, if arguing hard-SF logistics in space opera is wrong I don't want to be right. My biggest annoyance has been material (comics) that are very cavalier with regards to ship losses in combat. I know Dark Empire is ridiculous in this aspect (as well as many others), but I know some others have large warships going ka-boom, and the reactions of allies to the loss of tens of thousands of their comrades is just kinda glossed over. Then again I can be all  and think about the scale and population of the galaxy, and then the loss of a star destroyer would be like the US or Russia losing a single nuclear submarine.
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The absolute loving worst part of AOTC were the commercials they aired of the Yoda-Dooku fight with that stupid announcer voice going "WHO DA MAN? YODA DA MAN!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6d1dR2170o Ninja_Orca posted:Yeah, you'd think that, but just wait until you try to cut costs a little bit more by taking away some vacation days. Then see what happens when the might of unified workers opposes you. In the ROTS commentary, didn't Lucas say the reason it took so long to complete the Death Star was due to the Empire having union problems with the construction crew? I haven't actually listened to it so I can't say if he was being serious or not.
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Union problems with their WOOKIEE SLAVES, huh.
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Nessus posted:Union problems with their WOOKIEE SLAVES, huh. Didn't they incorporate that into TFU's storyline? Darth Vader's first mission seemed to be cleaning up on Kasshykkkskkkkkh.
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Chairman Capone posted:The absolute loving worst part of AOTC were the commercials they aired of the Yoda-Dooku fight with that stupid announcer voice going "WHO DA MAN? YODA DA MAN!" As opposed to the actual movie?
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KaosFactor posted:"Filled with 6 hours of bonus features you'll actually want to watch." Yeah, pretty much.
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