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CaptainScraps posted:Jesus christ, BARBRI lectures get so much better at 1.5x the speed. Learning that little trick was my second favorite moment of that summer, behind Landon Donovan's goal against Algeria.
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entris posted:update: took ten minutes to explain to my fellow jurors how eyewitness testimony is often unreliable, how the criminal justice system is biased against defendants, and how jury nullification is a real thing that people can do. if one of the other jurors tells the judge that they were all discussing jury nullification isn't that a Thing
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Der Meister posted:if one of the other jurors tells the judge that they were all discussing jury nullification isn't that a Thing
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Linguica posted:He keeps saying "jury" but he means "grand jury" which is kinda different Different, yes, but everything I've said is applicable to both. Der Meister posted:if one of the other jurors tells the judge that they were all discussing jury nullification isn't that a Thing I was very careful not to actually tell anyone that they should nullify, and I was especially careful not to link jury nullification to any particular case in front of us. I just mentioned that there is this thing called jury nullification that has existed in the American criminal justice system for a very long time, going back to the very founding of the country and that jurors are not penalized for deciding not to find guilt (or voting "no" on an indictment) if they believe the law itself is unjust. I have no interest in getting smacked with a charge of jury tampering or anything like that.
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Shouldn't the "no jobs" clause exempt this thread from moving to the careers subforum?
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CaptainScraps posted:Jesus christ, BARBRI lectures get so much better at 1.5x the speed. This is for the MPRE or the Patent bar or some obscure foreign bar that tests in April right? Because if you're listening to BarBri lectures for the July bar now, you're doing it all wrong. Also, I hate the move to this forum.
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HooKars posted:This is for the MPRE or the Patent bar or some obscure foreign bar that tests in April right? Because if you're listening to BarBri lectures for the July bar now, you're doing it all wrong. MPRE. Don't you fret none.
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CaptainScraps posted:MPRE. Don't you fret none. Is the guy's Irish accent even odder at 1.5x?
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Question: When your summer firm sends you a questionnaire about what practice areas you are interested in, do you say you're interested in everything (so you look like a team player) or be honest? Right now I say I'm interested in a few areas, undecided about a few other, and I have no disinterest in anything.
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Holland Oats posted:Now the people who really need to see this thread won't stumble across it. I don't know, being surrounded by threads about debt, credit card balances, financial collapse... feels like home.
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Holland Oats posted:Now the people who really need to see this thread won't stumble across it.
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Save me jeebus posted:I am now the owner of jewelry made by a real convicted murderer. I feel so special. If you ever go to Palau, you can go to the local jail and get a murderer to make you a cool wooden storyboard carving. They'll come unescorted right into the shop so you can explain all the details and everything.
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sigmachiev posted:Question: When your summer firm sends you a questionnaire about what practice areas you are interested in, do you say you're interested in everything (so you look like a team player) or be honest? Right now I say I'm interested in a few areas, undecided about a few other, and I have no disinterest in anything. At my firm, they were two week rotations, so we only picked four groups to rotate through. I would pick your top four and go with that, unless your summer is shorter or longer and adjust. You want to be sure you're in the groups that you think you might want to work in permanently. If you say everything and they pick the four groups for you, you might not get your #1 choice and then its unlikely they'll place you there permanently. I don't know how specific your groups are but if there are any big groups like "Litigation" or "Corporate" I would throw one of those in as sort of a safety because they'll hire every year and probably hire a few people vs. a smaller, niche group like Labor & Employment. If you don't have a strong leaning towards transactional or litigation, give them both a try. My firm broke down all the transactional groups into small segments and didn't break up the litigation group at all. It was really annoying for those of us who wanted litigation because our rotation choices were 1) Litigation 2) Corporate 3) Finance 4) Real Estate 5) Bankruptcy 6) IP (if you qualified) and you could pick tax if you were special and you had to pick 4. Pretty much guaranteed you'd be spending at least half your summer in transactional, if not more.
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welp, the tea party just destroyed another job as my wife got laid off from her contracting position due to EPA budget cuts. boy i can't wait for a government shutdown so I can go a full month without getting a paycheck
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entris posted:Different, yes, but everything I've said is applicable to both. If a member of a grand jury told other grand jurors to vote against indictment as a form of nullification, could a prosecutor really hit him with a tampering charge? It seems like it would be a problem if prosecutors could retaliate against grand jurors for what they did in the course of executing their duties. e: Then again I would have thought the First Amendment pretty clearly protected handing out general information about nullification outside a courthouse, but apparently the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York would argue otherwise.
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HooKars posted:At my firm, they were two week rotations, so we only picked four groups to rotate through. I would pick your top four and go with that, unless your summer is shorter or longer and adjust. You want to be sure you're in the groups that you think you might want to work in permanently. If you say everything and they pick the four groups for you, you might not get your #1 choice and then its unlikely they'll place you there permanently. Thanks for the insight. The questionnaire doesn't really have us rank, just note the equivalent of interested, unsure, and not interested. I suppose I can get a bit liberal with it and give some numeric identity though.
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HooKars posted:At my firm, they were two week rotations, so we only picked four groups to rotate through. I would pick your top four and go with that, unless your summer is shorter or longer and adjust. You want to be sure you're in the groups that you think you might want to work in permanently. If you say everything and they pick the four groups for you, you might not get your #1 choice and then its unlikely they'll place you there permanently. Now that you're gone, can you tell us what lovely/crazy firm you worked for? I remember the first time you mentioned this and it just sounded insane to me. "I wanted to do litigation but they decided I would be a transactional attorney for the rest of my natural life." To answer sigmachiev: Do you know how your firm does summer assignments? It might not matter that much at all if they have a job-board system. If they hand out assignments like normal, it matters though. I would just be honest and say which ones sounded interesting or not. I think firms have adjusted to the economy, are hiring summer classes of appropriate size, and you don't especially have to try to out-think the system to ensure yourself an offer. Kicking rear end during the summer will always be more important than trying to look like a team player, and it's hard to kick rear end if you are getting assignments in a practice area you genuinely dislike.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:welp, the tea party just destroyed another job as my wife got laid off from her contracting position due to EPA budget cuts. In my state, protesters rushed barricades manned by cops who were bused in because the local sheriff's department refused to guard the capitol after the governor ignored a restraining order in an attempt to ignore protesters. Additionally the head of our capitol police force hasn't been heard from after he refused to forcibly remove peaceful protesters from the capitol. Suck it up or light a molotov and get serious.
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I think Wisconsin is risking some major 1st amendment problems if they don't move quickly, if they aren't already. I'ma organize a bunch of homeless people to camp in the Capitol for a few weeks next year to protest the state's lack of attention to the homeless problem. Kicking us out? That's viewpoint discrimination, yo. Cope tend to be dicks to begin with. Cops who refuse to carry out plainly lawful orders because of personal political interest are MASSIVE dicks. edit: The whole Wisconsin debacle is really a travesty. This is democracy. Once in a while your legislative-bribery-induced defined benefit plan is going to get modified going forward. Them's the breaks. Take it out at the voting booth, not with sick-outs and laughable Hitleranalogy signs. Seriously. Does anybody in the private sector still do defined benefit? Wikipedia tells me that cash balance is a type of defined benefit plan that's popular now. That's bullshit. Cash balance aint defined til retirement. People whining and screaming that no, public sector employees are not overpaid, apples to apples. What kind of premium are they assigning the fact that the employer bears the investment risk for pension? What kind of premium are they assigning the fact that as a public employee you're damned near termination-proof after just a few years of mediocre performance? Both of those things are enormously valuable. They guarantee you a fully-funded retirement as long as you stay on the hamster wheel long enough and don't touch any kids in the naughty place. srsly fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 2, 2011 |
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mrtoodles posted:I think Wisconsin is risking some major 1st amendment problems if they don't move quickly, if they aren't already. The state can kick them out. It's that they're preventing entry to the capitol grounds at gunpoint during assembly sessions ONLY to those they disagree with (this actually is content discrimination). The problem with the order given to the Capitol Police is that it appears that state law only allows general orders to be given. The Capitol Police are given discretion in enacting the order. Protesters put themselves in a position where the cops would probably have to injure someone to remove them so the police tried to get the protesters out of the Capitol voluntarily. They followed the words of the order (get people out of the Capitol so it can be cleaned) but that wasn't enough for the Republicans in question.
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JudicialRestraints posted:The state can kick them out. It's that they're preventing entry to the capitol grounds at gunpoint during assembly sessions ONLY to those they disagree with (this actually is content discrimination). So if as a private citizen you showed up and said "I do not have any official business here today and I am not on anybody's calendar, but I would like to come in and chant and wave signs telling the Republicans how much I approve of them."... they'd let you in?
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mrtoodles posted:Cope tend to be dicks to begin with. Cops who refuse to carry out plainly lawful orders because of personal political interest are MASSIVE dicks. edit: this subforum thing blows.
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We moved or something? I just get here via bookmark, I never notice these things. Anything that draws in people thinking that law school leads to jobs is a good thing, that's what I say
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Let's keep the Wisconsin debate out of this thread please. I come into this thread to be depressed, not to be depressed AND angry.
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I've stopped going to class in favor of chanting angrily in the cold. It was a good decision. E: Finalish Wisconsin OCI data is out, apparently of the top 4 firms in our state only 2 hired any students from in state. One of the two firms hired under 5 students (as opposed to their usual 12-16). Currently applying for government jobs only to find out that there may or may not be a state government next year. So seriously guys, if you don't get into a t14. Don't go. JudicialRestraints fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 2, 2011 |
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sigmachiev posted:Question: When your summer firm sends you a questionnaire about what practice areas you are interested in, do you say you're interested in everything (so you look like a team player) or be honest? Right now I say I'm interested in a few areas, undecided about a few other, and I have no disinterest in anything.
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edit- nm I do like to explore regular Ask/Tell before coming into this thread. Oh well. Tetrix fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Mar 2, 2011 |
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Cribari, Carpenter, there be Gophers here. Can't believe one of you didn't like Carpenter.
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moana posted:I'm down with a new law thread being posted in ask/tell eventually, but wait a while and see how this goes first. There were just a bojillion "ask me about my job" megathreads in A/T and we're trying to clear out some of the clutter. are you the mod here can I have carte blanche in this thread
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zzyzx posted:Shouldn't the "no jobs" clause exempt this thread from moving to the careers subforum? this is half-zinger, half life-changing koan
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is finance for those with $200k worth of debt on $30k/yr. Macunaima posted:Cribari, Carpenter, there be Gophers here. Except for his lecture on the 21 yo drinking age (Carpenter turned 18 right before the drinking age went to 21 in Texas). That was funny. Cribari was awesome and I bombed his evidence class, but I loving learned that poo poo.
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nm posted:^^^^^^^^^^^^ I never had Cribari in law school (although had a course from his wife as an undergrad). He was reputed to be very difficult. Carpenter, I had for a full year of ConLaw, which was my favorite course as a 1L, naturally. Surprised to hear that he's still there - had heard he was moving on a couple of years ago.
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Macunaima posted:I never had Cribari in law school (although had a course from his wife as an undergrad). He was reputed to be very difficult. Carpenter, I had for a full year of ConLaw, which was my favorite course as a 1L, naturally. Surprised to hear that he's still there - had heard he was moving on a couple of years ago. Cribari is actually not as difficult as his reputation will suggest. He is a difficult grader in his large classes but as long as you don't dick around in his small classes, you'll do well. He's a pretty good guy and knows crim law. Civil people might not like him as much, though. His physical evidence class is something anyone with a criminal law interest should take.
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Should I be worried that I'm not worried at all about the MPRE? I've been slacking off this semester anyway since it's my last one (stupid IL wouldn't let me take it until this year, and I could only get into the Ethics class this semester). I've been doing the BarBri stuff for it, but it all seems common-sense. Granted, the fact that the exam is only 2 hours long and scaled isn't helping me not stress over it, but should I be putting in more time than just a few hours a day?
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Fluffykins posted:Should I be worried that I'm not worried at all about the MPRE? Are you serious? The MPRE is a joke. Unless you have something seriously wrong with you (ethically or mentally) you should be fine.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Are you serious? The MPRE is a joke. Unless you have something seriously wrong with you (ethically or mentally) you should be fine. Gotcha. Didn't really start until Tuesday, so I'm just reading to justify my laziness. I mean, who knew you can't slap a witness in the face while testifying? At least I only need to get an 80 on it.
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Fluffykins posted:Gotcha. Didn't really start until Tuesday, so I'm just reading to justify my laziness. I mean, who knew you can't slap a witness in the face while testifying? At least I only need to get an 80 on it. The grand total of my studying was listening to some taped lectures on the drive to the test. I didn't even make it through more than 2/3 of the CD. I got some absurdly high score. If you know a) don't sleep with clients and b) don't sleep with HiddenReplaced, you'll do fine.
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