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The opening scrawl of Star Wars told a complete story, all the other stuff were irrelevant. What you also overlook is that the EU is the framework upon which to hang stories that potentially can have nothing to do with the Skywalkers. That people like KJA, Troy Denning, etc., are staggeringly bad at it has relatively little to do with whether or not the main characters are Skywalkers. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Mar 3, 2011 |
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Nessus posted:Episode IV told a complete story. All the other five movies were irrelevant. Well, you see, the thing about that is, SIX MOVIES ONE STORY THERE ARE NO TRILOGIES ONLY THE SAGA
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Mar 3, 2011 08:16
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Locutus Of Bored posted:Well, you see, the thing about that is, SIX MOVIES ONE STORY THERE ARE NO TRILOGIES ONLY THE SAGA
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Mar 3, 2011 08:19
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All this battle meditation stuff reminds me of a line from KotOR IIKreia posted:Nothing is impossible with the Force. Now I'm starting to worry that EU wrtiters, and even George have been taking it literally. Damnit Chris Avelone!
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Mar 3, 2011 09:41
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On the other hand Kotor 2 literally has a guy that eats planets.
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Mar 3, 2011 09:56
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arioch posted:The opening scrawl of Star Wars told a complete story, all the other stuff were irrelevant. I never got the ESB opening scrawl. It said that rebel forces lead by LUKE SKYWALKER set up a base on Hoth. Really, Luke leads these guys now? Why was he treated simply as one of their pilots then, huh movie?!
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Mar 3, 2011 10:04
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Gutcruncher posted:I never got the ESB opening scrawl. It said that rebel forces lead by LUKE SKYWALKER set up a base on Hoth. Really, Luke leads these guys now? Why was he treated simply as one of their pilots then, huh movie?! That's just following the sci-fi military precedent set by Star Trek. If you save the planet, it's a 5-level promotion.
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Mar 3, 2011 12:46
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I never did get the specifics of Battle Meditation. Parts of Kotor have it so that the Jedi is actually meditating, sat crossed legged on the floor etc, like when you walk in on Dark Side Bastilla near the end. Then other times it's just a thing people can do passively, like Palps who can talk away and zap Luke with lighning and still apparantly be single handedly winning the battle.
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Mar 3, 2011 14:07
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Palpatine's just better at multitasking.
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Mar 3, 2011 14:24
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I always thought the way the fallout from the Battle of Endor was handled was pretty stupid, it was so easily fixed too. Just have the rebels book it as soon as the DS2 goes down, meanwhile Lando takes a couple of fighters down to the moon to extract Solo and company. Fighting continues throughout the galaxy but the loss of the emperor sends shockwaves throughout the empire leading to mass defections of key systems. The empire begins to crumble, alliance swells in size and strength. It is both logical and in no way contradicts anything that happened in ROTJ. Well, until Lucass decided he liked the idea of the Empire falling instantly and wrote it into the end, but I'll ignore that, as should you. Cheers for the advice Von Trapp, done. vv Not sure. drat. freethought fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Mar 3, 2011 |
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Mar 3, 2011 14:27
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^^ How come you got a stupid newbie-avatar and I didn't? I'm so sick of all these forums. I just missed out on an ebay auction for an original Rebel Trooper helmet  I don't know what the hell I would have done with it, but still.
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Mar 3, 2011 15:08
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Admiral Goodenough posted:^^ How come you got a stupid newbie-avatar and I didn't? I'm so sick of all these forums. Uh, wear it around town?
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Mar 3, 2011 16:31
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GodlessCommie posted:Uh, wear it around town? Seriously, I would wear that bitch everywhere. To work, to school, on dates, to funerals...Everywhere. We're talking the big ones worn by the Blockade Runner crew right?
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Mar 3, 2011 16:35
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Admiral Goodenough posted:^^ How come you got a stupid newbie-avatar and I didn't? I'm so sick of all these forums. You get the option to add text when you join. If you do, you just get the text and not the Stupid Newbie image. freethought: "first post" and its variants are probatable. Might want to edit it out. 
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Mar 3, 2011 16:42
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So TPM 3d set for next February 10. Somehow I think the lines will be shorter this time around. Also since most conversions go from 2D to 3D, will Hayden's performances finally be 2D?
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Mar 3, 2011 19:13
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VaultAggie posted:So how exactly were strong Super-Star Destroyers? We never see the one in Empire and RotJ actually do anything. They are pretty beastly. Here's what I remember off the top of my head (oh god I am going to die alone  )250,000 crewers 8km long fucktons of turbolasers + ion cannons Executor goes down into the DS2. Before that, it's most intimidating, don't recall it being in any major engagements. Iron Fist IIRC finally goes down over Dathomir, due to a combination of getting raped by the New Republic, but mostly the Hapans. That book sucked dick though, Iron Fist is way cooler in the Wraith Squadron books. Razor's Kiss goes down in the span of a single book, it's shields go down and then it gets pummeled to death, has no crew to save it. Lusankya escapes from Coruscant, loving up Coruscant pretty good. It goes down in a book too (damaged to the point of capture) due to proton torpedoes and a retard for a captain. It savages up a ISD pretty good though. Knight Hammer commanded by Dalla. 'nuff said. Intimidator/Pride of Yevetha ends up getting found abandoned somewhere after the Imperials take it back in Black Fleet Crisis. Literally throwaway mention in an Atlas. Allegiance arguably a SSD, from Dark Empire, pretty sure it gets rammed by Lando's second star destroyer, or gets eaten by a World Devastator. Terror some Admiral I don't even- Reaper some Moff I don't even Guardian New Rpublic captured it, I'm sure Lando will eventually crash it There are apparently a ton more too. Dark Empire is seriously the loving worst for ship nerds like me, they just arbitrarily made a whole loving bunch of variants. "Oh look Palpy has an EVEN BIGGER destroyed, let's make SSDs escort it, because..." loving irritating I tell you. How hard is it for those morons to keep a writers' bible that lists how big each loving ship is. e: holy  on my parte2: again the losses (and construction) of these ships would be akin to the US losing aircraft carriers and landing ships. Like I said before, the galactic scale is so huge apparently, they treat it like we'd treat losing a submarine or even smaller vessels. e3: yes I have known the touch of a woman (and boobs), but she left me
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Mar 3, 2011 19:26
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I take it she was a Trekkie?
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Mar 3, 2011 19:46
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Slantedfloors posted:Seriously, I would wear that bitch everywhere. To work, to school, on dates, to funerals...Everywhere.  The more I think of how I missed it the more bummed out I get (Though if I ever find an X-Wing pilot helmet, god help whoever tries to stand in the way  )
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Mar 3, 2011 19:47
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Mister Roboto posted:That's just following the sci-fi military precedent set by Star Trek. If you save the planet, it's a 5-level promotion. But in Empire he does nothing that even hints that hes the leader of anyone. In fact it seems like even Han Solo outranks him, and Hans a constant flight risk.
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Mar 3, 2011 20:00
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Doesn't Han go from Captain to General between Empire and Jedi? Do you get a major promotion for spending a year asleep?
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Mar 3, 2011 20:28
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KaosFactor posted:Doesn't Han go from Captain to General between Empire and Jedi? Do you get a major promotion for spending a year asleep? At least with the EU you could assume he did some poo poo worth climbing the ranks. Of course, the Alliance have a really weird rank system never the less.
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Mar 3, 2011 20:30
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Pope Mobile posted:I take it she was a Trekkie? Worse, fundie Christian.  Split up because it took her 2 years to realize that I wasn't going to convert or something. (she was a huge SW fan though, went to Celebration IV and V)quote:Doesn't Han go from Captain to General between Empire and Jedi? Do you get a major promotion for spending a year asleep? The General promotion was probably for being such a boss. If I remember my X-Wing books correctly, I think at least in Starfighter Command, the ranks are Flight Officer, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Commander, Colonel, General. Then again, the Imperials sometimes threw Commanders in charge of capital ships, so who knows 
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Mar 3, 2011 20:34
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Gutcruncher posted:But in Empire he does nothing that even hints that hes the leader of anyone. In fact it seems like even Han Solo outranks him, and Hans a constant flight risk. To be fair, the opening crawl only says "a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base". So maybe he was in charge of the move-in crew. Got to make the seating chart, snag a good office for himself, all that good Dilberty stuff.
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Mar 3, 2011 20:37
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SeanBeansShako posted:At least with the EU you could assume he did some poo poo worth climbing the ranks. Of course, the Alliance have a really weird rank system never the less. The ranking systems are clearly defind in SWG. All you need is enough faction points. I think you get about 100,000,000,000 for blowing up the Death Star.
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Mar 3, 2011 20:41
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The official announcement, on star wars dot com. It not a prank. Why is it not a prank? http://starwars.com/movies/episode-i/3dannouncedate/index.html quote:Lucasfilm Ltd. and Twentieth Century Fox announced today that the 3D theatrical launch of Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace now has an official release date -- February 10, 2012! Set against the thrilling and exotic backdrop of a "galaxy far, far away," Star Wars is perfectly suited to the immersive 3D theatrical experience, and Episode I delivers some of the Saga's most stunning and spectacular sequences -- from the Naboo invasion to the Tatooine Podraces to the climactic lightsaber battle between Darth Maul and the Jedi. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
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Mar 3, 2011 20:44
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At this point, there's nothing I can say about this 3D thing that doesn't make me sound like a stereotype of the butthurt, prequel-hating fan. I just think it's such an incredibly bad idea, and I wish they wouldn't do it
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Mar 3, 2011 20:52
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If the 3d dosen't look like rear end I can't see why not. I can't really see why though either...
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Mar 3, 2011 21:00
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Will Yoda look just as bad in this one too? that is my question.
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Mar 3, 2011 21:02
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SeanBeansShako posted:At least with the EU you could assume he did some poo poo worth climbing the ranks. Of course, the Alliance have a really weird rank system never the less. Isn't it explained in the Wraith Squadron books that the Alliance's schizophrenic ranking system was basically just handing out instant promotions to people when they did cool poo poo? Capture a ship? You're a CAPTAIN now! Lead a ground assault? Well, hello GENERAL! Repeatedly crash Star Destroyers while blitzed on Colt 45s and only escape punishment due to nepotism? Congratulations, PRIMARY DEFENSE CONTRACTOR!
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Mar 3, 2011 21:06
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SeanBeansShako posted:Will Yoda look just as bad in this one too? that is my question. I'm pretty sure he's being replaced with the more accurate looking digital model.
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Mar 3, 2011 21:13
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Walldo posted:The official announcement, on star wars dot com. It not a prank. Why is it not a prank? "utmost respect to source material", what if the source material is not worthy of respect? 
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Mar 3, 2011 21:16
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I got the impression Solo was granted the rank of general when he agreed to lead the strike team on Endor. Likewise Lando was made a general when he took the Death Star II mission. The obvious reason would be so they could issue orders and command troops without anyone getting pissy about the chain of command. Does anyone refer to Han as a general before Endor?
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Mar 3, 2011 21:20
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ZeeToo posted:Hell, look at it from the position of the Imperial fleet. Here you are, a minor component in an unbeatable trap--the Death Star is invulnerable to attack, it's got a superlaser one-shotting the Alliance capital craft, and the TIEs are nibbling the rest to death while you and the Executor stand there and enjoy the show. Really the way to think of it was that it was the Star Wars version of 9-11. Something that wasn't supposed to happened happened and the shock of it all took an emotional toll
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Mar 3, 2011 21:26
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movax posted:They are pretty beastly. Here's what I remember off the top of my head (oh god I am going to die alone Wow, thanks for the very detailed response. I always am a little annoyed that the SSD never does anything in the movies because it looks so loving cool.
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Mar 3, 2011 21:27
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movax posted:Lusankya escapes from Coruscant, loving up Coruscant pretty good. It goes down in a book too (damaged to the point of capture) due to proton torpedoes and a retard for a captain. It savages up a ISD pretty good though.
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Mar 3, 2011 21:31
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Slantedfloors posted:Also, it gets captured by the New Republic and pops up in a bunch of books. Later it becomes the command ship of Wedge Antilles when he becomes a General. It is eventually permenantly destroyed when it is used as an ungodly massive suicide bomb in one of the only good parts of the New Jedi Order books. To clarify, Wedge Antilles did not commit suicide on Lusankya. Nobody was on Lusankya when it plowed into the Vong worldship besieging Borleias.
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Mar 3, 2011 22:14
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The Lusankya appearing in Enemy Lines was hilarious. It was the time when Wedge failed at failing.
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Mar 3, 2011 22:20
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wow tpm in 3d i cant wait...
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About the Imperial Fleet getting hosed at Endor, I always figured the Star Destroyers had pulled in close to the Death Star II and were caught in the explosion. I'm not sure why they were pulled in close to the Death Star, but I seem to recall seeing a couple Star Destroyers hanging around the Executor when it started the nosedive towards the Death Star. ...Then again, it would make sense for the destroyers to pull in close to help protect the Death Star after the shield generator was blown up. Without the shield, the destroyers would try to put themselves in between the rebel fleet and the death star to make it easy to kill anything that tried to close in and engage the Death Star. It'd also allow them to use their considerable anti-air batteries to try and shoot down any fighters making for the superstructure.
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Noghri_ViR posted:Really the way to think of it was that it was the Star Wars version of 9-11. Something that wasn't supposed to happened happened and the shock of it all took an emotional toll Oldie but a goodie: Stormtroopers' 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE e: better link. Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Mar 4, 2011 |
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