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grover
Jan 23, 2002

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Skandiaavity posted:

You can do that, although I am skeptic of the legality of it since you will be making decisions as if you were assumed office or in official capacity. If you're non-essential personnel that will be a clusterfuck can-of-worms that you'd likely not wish for.
I was saying that tongue in cheek; I already knew the answer. I spoke with one of our JAG lawyers about it a few years ago when this contractor offered to pay me to drive one of his work trucks from Maine to DC when he found out I was in the area on business. Would have saved the US a cost of a return flight, I would have made money, and the contractor would have saved the cost of flying one of his guys up. Turns out that it was perfectly legal- since I'm not actually the contracting officer, it would not be a conflict of interest in a strict legal sense, even though I'm the "customer" for work this contractor is performing. However, it would create the appearance of a conflict of interest, and the JAG lawyer recommended I not to do it.

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Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Yeah, the appearance is enough..

I get why the law is there and everything, but it kind of sucks having to limit lunches/gifts/holidays/birthday presents etc to $20.. Of course, I've also noticed that one party would stiff it entirely and not worry.. This town, sometimes :v:

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Jesus.

I just landed an interview for a GS-14 position.

I am so, so screwed. Up against people WAY more qualified
Totally didnt expect it. First federal job application.

I have no idea what to expect.

If the position requires a secret clearance, and I already have an active secret - will that give me any additional "bonus points" so to speak?

Hooray for an inside gimme on the job posting / how closely it matches my experience, a short application period, and a name drop I guess

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
I spent a few minutes confused about where this thread went. It looks like we're now "Business, Finance, and Careers." At first my butt hurt, but then I realized it does work better; this thread mostly refers to career advice and is not particularly an ask/tell session about federal jobs, it seems, so it makes far more sense now. :colbert:

Zoo fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Mar 2, 2011

GreySkies
Apr 16, 2006
armchair cynic
Is anybody else in for the IC Virtual Fair on March 8th? (More info here: http://icvirtualfair.com/)

I'm mostly hoping to get some career advice out of this. I've never done a virtual fair but this will definitely be interesting! Advice would be awesome if some other goons did this last year.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

GreySkies posted:

Is anybody else in for the IC Virtual Fair on March 8th? (More info here: http://icvirtualfair.com/)

I'm mostly hoping to get some career advice out of this. I've never done a virtual fair but this will definitely be interesting! Advice would be awesome if some other goons did this last year.

Yeah, I am. Not expecting too much from it.

LactoseO.D.'d
Jun 3, 2002
edit:nevermind

LactoseO.D.'d fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Mar 3, 2011

Admiral BJ
May 28, 2005
Kicking ass and taking names
Woohoo got a biological science techinican job at Big South Fork National River & Recreation Area to fight the hemlock woody adelgid's!

Only took 70-80 applications to finally get one, and I got to turn down a job in Michigan today :smug:

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
Wow, being stubborn and obnoxious actually pays off. I made one last phone call to the recruiter and... I should know my EOD by Monday, maybe even today!!

Arakan
May 10, 2008

After some persuasion, Fluttershy finally opens up, and Twilight's more than happy to oblige in doing her best performance as a nice, obedient wolf-puppy.
Ok, this is going to sound kind of vague so bear with me. There was an A/T thread a while back where a goon worked in a national park for 6 months or so. He worked in a group that went around and did odd jobs and repairs in the park, trail refurbishes and whatnot, and they camped out in the park for the duration of their time there. They had a cook with them to make all their meals also.

Does anyone have any clue what I'm talking about. I put in NPS as my search criteria on the USAjobs website but I scanned through all 400 or so jobs and didn't see anything similar to this. Maybe it was a volunteer position? But I think I remember he was payed, though I can't seem to locate the thread on these forums.

Admiral BJ
May 28, 2005
Kicking ass and taking names
http://jobview.usajobs.gov/GetJob.a...23+08%3a44%3a00

Those kinda jobs pop up every now and then. A lot of states out west have YCC programs that do similar stuff, but they're not through the Park Service.

The Forest Service also has those kinds of jobs, so I would search them as well.

If you don't have any experience, you cam volunteer with trails groups in your state or look for events going on with state parks.

LactoseO.D.'d
Jun 3, 2002
I have a contingent offer from a DoD contractor (must be able to get security clearance) that I plan on accepting. I may ask some questions later when that process is going on, because I will probably freak out again. Thank you to the members of this thread for their contributions and support.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
It honestly depends on the level of clearance they plan on putting you through. But the process itself is pretty straight forward, read each question twice (they are very specific) and answer them honestly.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

I need to hurry up and get a job offer from a private company before the waves of soon to be furloughed or laid off federal employees start competing with me.

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
Oh my freaking god. I called this morning to finally finalize my final EOD but since the whole recruitment office has JUST moved, the lady who answered the phone couldn't transfer my call to my recruiter. So now I have to wait for her to call me back...and judging by the luck I've had with THAT...FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

edit: looks like I won't find out anything until wednesday because all the necessary info is still in boxes.

CherryCola fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 7, 2011

Carlton Banks
Jan 5, 2004

"The Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three."
Has anyone been able to check their application status for IRS positions over the last week? I keep getting "We were unable to complete your request at this time." after USAJobs tries to forward to the IRS

I doubt any progress has been made, but just wondering.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

GreySkies posted:

Is anybody else in for the IC Virtual Fair on March 8th? (More info here: http://icvirtualfair.com/)

I'm mostly hoping to get some career advice out of this. I've never done a virtual fair but this will definitely be interesting! Advice would be awesome if some other goons did this last year.

I am doing the "Sneak Preview" right now and ahahahahaha how gimmicky and unnecessary is all this graphical bullshit?

GreySkies
Apr 16, 2006
armchair cynic

Pompous Rhombus posted:

I am doing the "Sneak Preview" right now and ahahahahaha how gimmicky and unnecessary is all this graphical bullshit?

Completely. I enjoyed the giantess looming over the grounds and talking for forever in the beginning, too. It seems like they tried really hard to make this high tech and futuristic or whatever, but it's totally unnecessary.

If you really want a thrill, there's a who's on or something button. You can see how many hundreds of other people are doing the sneak preview with you and where they come from. Seems like a lot of DIA people.

dvgrhl
Sep 30, 2004

Do you think you are dealing with a 4-year-old child to whom you can give some walnuts and chocolates and get gold from him?
Soiled Meat

psydude posted:

I need to hurry up and get a job offer from a private company before the waves of soon to be furloughed or laid off federal employees start competing with me.

Unless any furlough lasts more than a couple weeks, I wouldn't sweat it too much. Most Feds are looking at it as a potential free vacation. Granted, there is no guarantee to get paid for any time off due to lack of budget, but given past occurrences most people aren't getting too worried.

But this was supposed to be Shutdown Monday, so please give your condolences to all of us that had to report to work.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

GreySkies posted:

Completely. I enjoyed the giantess looming over the grounds and talking for forever in the beginning, too. It seems like they tried really hard to make this high tech and futuristic or whatever, but it's totally unnecessary.

If you really want a thrill, there's a who's on or something button. You can see how many hundreds of other people are doing the sneak preview with you and where they come from. Seems like a lot of DIA people.

This is turning out to be a huge loving waste of time, every chatroom is mobbed and I can't get a response from any of the recruiters. If they had some sort of a queue system it might work, but it's basically the IRL equivalent of a bunch of people walking up to a booth and starting talking while 1-2 dozen other people are already there asking questions.

did see this gem right as I got into the CIA booth though:

quote:

waleed kishta:this is so gay i swear. and all of u that speak arabic and farsi dont expect to get an office job in langley, all they want from foreigners is to snitch on their own. keep dreaming all
Jamal Alkhaibari:Waleed. This really isn't the forum for you to voice your opinion. You're entitled to one, but this isn't the place. Thank you.
waleed kishta:kos imak
waleed kishta:jamal sharmoot
waleed kishta:yelan rabak kaman
Jamal Alkhaibari:Wow. Nice language. They really should have added an ignore button.

edit: gently caress this, I am not wasting my afternoon on this bullshit.

Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 8, 2011

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
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Pompous Rhombus posted:

This is turning out to be a huge loving waste of time, every chatroom is mobbed and I can't get a response from any of the recruiters. If they had some sort of a queue system it might work, but it's basically the IRL equivalent of a bunch of people walking up to a booth and starting talking while 1-2 dozen other people are already there asking questions.

did see this gem right as I got into the CIA booth though:


edit: gently caress this, I am not wasting my afternoon on this bullshit.

Ha ha, I just avoided the CIA and NSA booth, and the "public chat" is completely worthless. I did get some helpful info from the NGA booth, though It took recruiters about 15 minutes to respond to my messages. Kinda like the last job fair we went to, except without real people.

Edit: I hit all the booths I meant to, the FBI Language Analyst and NGA, got some good information, filled out a few applications pretty quickly, and now I am waiting to see the live presentation coming up. All in all not bad, but yeah next year they need to add a queue. I feel so drat sorry for the employees that have to sift through these chat rooms.

Edit 2: Just looked at my previous applications with the NGA on a whim, for the two earlier hiring events I got two different statuses "KC Final Screen" and "HD Preliminary Screen". Anyone have an idea what that means? It was my understanding that these hiring events were held a long time ago.

Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Mar 8, 2011

GreySkies
Apr 16, 2006
armchair cynic
I stayed for about an hour, mostly laughing at the people in the lounge who were clearly as frustrated as the rest of us. I didn't try to get a recruiter's attention, because it became obvious pretty quickly that I don't have anywhere near the kind of credentials everybody else does.

Off to a Master's degree, I guess. :smith:

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
I not surprised it took the NGA recruiters a while to get to people. They literally JUST moved their entire office yesterday and everything seems to be a bit chaotic. I'm really surprised they're doing ANOTHER hiring event when they currently already have a huge backlog of people (like me!) awaiting placement.

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
I heard nothing but bad last year about the IC virtual fair. I didn't mention anything because I couldn't remember specifics, but you guys seem to have had a similar experience. I think the problem is that it's bad in an indescribably lovely way, by the sounds of it.

A friend in search of a -13/14 equivalent did mention that she learned in private message (I think?) with an NSA rep that they were looking to fill 3-4 junior positions; not sure exactly how junior, but at NSA that could be pretty low-grade.

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.

CherryCola posted:

I not surprised it took the NGA recruiters a while to get to people. They literally JUST moved their entire office yesterday and everything seems to be a bit chaotic. I'm really surprised they're doing ANOTHER hiring event when they currently already have a huge backlog of people (like me!) awaiting placement.

Someone at some point gave them money. The rule is that if you have money, you spend it. If you have $5M for Project X and someone offers you the deal at $3M for a "bargain," you don't accept the bargain; you tell them that you have $5M for the project, and that's how much you want to buy it for.

I don't know where all these NGA and DIA billets are coming from either though. DIA doesn't seem to be actually filling them, though maybe they're just waiting on the budget (which is now approaching mythical status).

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
Just got my EOD!!

April 11th, thank God.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
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LASER SKATES

grover posted:

Also, don't ever download anything from government computers.

I've had to download data analysis software from NASA websites in the past. These are public access and can be downloaded by anyone. Assuming this counts, what kinds of questions do they ask in follow-up?

Or do "download from government computers" do they mean download things while on a government computer?

EDIT: Stuff like this, and public satellite data.
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/software/lheasoft/

JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Mar 9, 2011

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
I think he meant things like illegal mp3s, etc. Sometimes (well, usually) there are also policies against software installation for unapproved applications, which is most of them, but that can be forgiven, especially for something like what you're talking about, which seems to be some kind of super math nerd NASA crap for nerds or space or something. I mean, that's a .gov site. Conducting piracy on a government computer, though? lol. That's one thing for which it isn't hyperbole to say that you'd be hosed. Same for porn, etc.

Which is why it's also common sense that you wouldn't do it... or so you'd think.

Also, he meant that on the polygraph they ask whether you've downloaded illegal mp3s from a government computer and you should pay attention to semantics in that case, although I don't personally remember my poly so I can't vouch either way. I wasn't even asked actually, now that I do think of it.

madkapitolist
Feb 5, 2006
Im so confused, Im applying for an entry level FDIC examiner position and I uploaded transcripts, a cover letter, and a resume on USA jobs, but in the job description it says I need to upload them to the FDIC as well and I don't know how to do that... Can't they just see it through usa jobs?

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe

CherryCola posted:

Just got my EOD!!

April 11th, thank God.

Congrats! Do you know your branch yet?

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa

Hed posted:

Congrats! Do you know your branch yet?

I think it's Central and South...west? east? Asia. Southeast wouldn't make a whole lot of sense considering I have an M.A. in SOUTH Asian studies.

So much Asia.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

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Zoo posted:

I think he meant things like illegal mp3s, etc. Sometimes (well, usually) there are also policies against software installation for unapproved applications, which is most of them, but that can be forgiven, especially for something like what you're talking about, which seems to be some kind of super math nerd NASA crap for nerds or space or something. I mean, that's a .gov site. Conducting piracy on a government computer, though? lol. That's one thing for which it isn't hyperbole to say that you'd be hosed. Same for porn, etc.

Which is why it's also common sense that you wouldn't do it... or so you'd think.

Also, he meant that on the polygraph they ask whether you've downloaded illegal mp3s from a government computer and you should pay attention to semantics in that case, although I don't personally remember my poly so I can't vouch either way. I wasn't even asked actually, now that I do think of it.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant!

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005

madkapitolist posted:

Im so confused, Im applying for an entry level FDIC examiner position and I uploaded transcripts, a cover letter, and a resume on USA jobs, but in the job description it says I need to upload them to the FDIC as well and I don't know how to do that... Can't they just see it through usa jobs?

no, they can't. you have to pull it from the site and show it to them directly. otherwise they don't have authorization to see it. remember, in this market it's on you, not them.


Also congrats cherrycola!

madkapitolist
Feb 5, 2006

Skandiaavity posted:

no, they can't. you have to pull it from the site and show it to them directly. otherwise they don't have authorization to see it. remember, in this market it's on you, not them.


Also congrats cherrycola!

How do I go about doing that? There are no instructions during the application process...

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
there is a button to submit it for the posting, on USA Jobs Otherwise, double check your posting and check there. Usually there is a number to fax or an e-mail address to send them in. If you fax, you will have to print out a specialized cover sheet.

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy
I went through the federal resume class yesterday that they hold on air force bases. Holy crap... What a nightmare, anything that requires a 50 page book is something else.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
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YAMAXANADU
Welp just got out of the BEX, didn't make it past the QEP portion. Prepared for it as best I could, but my experience just wasn't competitive enough.

As much as rejection stings (happens for me too much during this job search) I am glad that I was able to go. It was my first run, so now I know what to expect next time, and I will return.

Didn't know too much about the job before I was invited, did a lot of studying of the job and now I know that that is what I want to do. So for now I will just have to find a way to make myself more marketable and examine what few options I have left, see what would make me a better fit.

Ganon
May 24, 2003
What happened with the Moscow job?

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Ganon posted:

What happened with the Moscow job?

I'm still being investigated for it as far as I know, although that job was always sort of a last resort. It'd give me a TS, a couple more years to perfect my Russian and more exposure to the culture, but I am not sure if that would be enough to get me to where I want to go.

Plus, I hear that even if a clearance is granted, the job wouldn't be guaranteed. From what I hear about DoS clearances, they aren't finalized unless one starts the job that the clearance is for, so all my time dealing with them may count for nothing anyway.

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madkapitolist
Feb 5, 2006

Skandiaavity posted:

there is a button to submit it for the posting, on USA Jobs Otherwise, double check your posting and check there. Usually there is a number to fax or an e-mail address to send them in. If you fax, you will have to print out a specialized cover sheet.

Thank you for the heads up. I fixed it. I can see this entire application process being a rather considerable deterrent to interested applicants... It was not that obvious where to go to complete the application to the FDIC's desired standards.

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