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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Lanthanum posted:

Got my implanon on put in a couple days ago! :woop: I havent ha any bleeding yet, but the people at PPH told me finish the pack of pills that i was on. Once they finish they said up to 3 months of spotting/bleeding. Then no periods! I love this thing. No nausea (yet) and a few light headaches. Yay Implanon!!

Geolicious posted:

Uncool, Marshmallow. Terrible business. I think I'm going to stick to my pill for now. But, reading through the thread, I may give Implanon some consideration.
Welllll, I have Implanon and I love it, but the one thing Implanon guarantees is irregular bleeding. It becomes effective almost right away (you don't need to finish your pack) but amenorrhea is definitely not guaranteed. Your periods could disappear, or become lighter or less frequent, but it's completely unpredictable. That's the #1 reason people get it removed early -- it was really irresponsible of them not to tell you that beforehand. My fingers are crossed you're in the lucky percentages!




kdc67 posted:

I was just going to ask this myself. I've only ever been on the pill, but it would seem if your IUD or implant's not working for what you need where you have to take a pill as well, just take the pill.
I would stay on both for a couple reasons:
- The implant's not costing you anything; you don't have to pay anymore and it shouldn't hurt you.
- Implanon is more effective than the pill. (Both together should be even more effective.)
- With an implant, you can't screw up. There's nothing to forget every night, and it doesn't matter if you're a day or two late picking up your prescription -- and you also don't have to care if you throw up, if you take an antibiotic, whatever -- you're covered, guaranteed, no effort, no matter what, for 3 years.

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Lanthanum
Oct 19, 2008

I wish I had a robot husband. That would be baller as fuck.
My arm is SO ITCHY. To the point where I can't focus on anything else, except to itch itch itch. Is this normal?

Anne Whateley posted:

Welllll, I have Implanon and I love it, but the one thing Implanon guarantees is irregular bleeding. It becomes effective almost right away (you don't need to finish your pack) but amenorrhea is definitely not guaranteed. Your periods could disappear, or become lighter or less frequent, but it's completely unpredictable. That's the #1 reason people get it removed early -- it was really irresponsible of them not to tell you that beforehand. My fingers are crossed you're in the lucky percentages!



PPH told me irregular/prolonged bleeding or spotting within the first 3 to 6 months, then after that typically periods go away. Is that wrong?

Reformed Tomboy
Feb 2, 2005

chu~~

Lanthanum posted:

My arm is SO ITCHY. To the point where I can't focus on anything else, except to itch itch itch. Is this normal?

PPH told me irregular/prolonged bleeding or spotting within the first 3 to 6 months, then after that typically periods go away. Is that wrong?

You got it put in a few days ago right? That's normal and will go away. It's part of the healing process.

It's not wrong, it's just that they neglected to tell you the IF part of that statement. IF your periods will go away, that's usually how it will happen (but it doesn't usually happen).

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words

Lanthanum posted:

My arm is SO ITCHY. To the point where I can't focus on anything else, except to itch itch itch. Is this normal?

PPH told me irregular/prolonged bleeding or spotting within the first 3 to 6 months, then after that typically periods go away. Is that wrong?
I don't remember itching, but it might just be a healing thing -- sometimes scabs are really itchy.

Yeah, they definitely should not have told you that. I'm really sorry they misinformed you. I think it's something like 20-30% of women enter amenorrhea by the end of their first year. I bled irregularly (but nor crazy heavily) for a couple months, and then for longer, I only bled when my cervix was poked (but when it was, I bled a lot). After about 9(?) months, that stopped too, and for the rest of my time I only had very, very light spotting (irregularly but infrequently). I was lucky -- it's not like a 1% chance, it's a fairly decent chance, but it's definitely not any kind of guarantee.

That chart I posted is straight from Implanon's site. You might want to bring that into PP along with whatever other info you can find, just so they don't spread that misinformation to other women. Implanon is fantastic, but it's not for everyone, and like everything else, you really have to make an informed decision.

GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

KUVA TEAM EPIC
How snug should a condom fit? I don't react well to hormones, so we've been using those. But they seem like they're too tight on him, and he feels like they're cutting off circulation. Both of us are new to this whole sex thing, so we're still trying to figure all this out.

Cmere
Mar 18, 2008

Control me, console me
'Cause that's just how it should be done.
I might've skipped this, but when do you official 'miss' bc pill?
Is it 20 minutes? or like 3 hours?
I can't seem to find anything online.

DRP Solved!
Dec 2, 2009

Cmere posted:

I might've skipped this, but when do you official 'miss' bc pill?
Is it 20 minutes? or like 3 hours?
I can't seem to find anything online.

It depends on which pill you're talking about. If it's Micronor, it has to be taken within 27 hours of the last pill (or "up to 3 hours late"). If you're talking estrogen/progestin combo pills, it's technically late if you forget to take it that day (for example, if you're supposed take it in the morning but forget until that night, it is still ok).

Bagleworm
Aug 15, 2007
I has your rocks

Cmere posted:

I might've skipped this, but when do you official 'miss' bc pill?
Is it 20 minutes? or like 3 hours?
I can't seem to find anything online.

Twelve hours for combined oral contraceptives ("normal" pills), three hours for progestin-only (minipills).

GenericOverusedName posted:

How snug should a condom fit? I don't react well to hormones, so we've been using those. But they seem like they're too tight on him, and he feels like they're cutting off circulation. Both of us are new to this whole sex thing, so we're still trying to figure all this out.

I'm not exactly sure; there isn't really any such thing as "too tight" when it comes to condom durability, so it's just up to comfort. Too loose is pretty obvious - if the ring/base of the condom slides around on the shaft at all, it's too loose.

You can always get a pack of large condoms and try them out. You'll be able to tel if it's too loose when you put it on, and if it's too loose you can just go back to your normal condoms.

You can also get condoms that are shaped differently - that give more room for the head but are the same circumference around the base. It might help with the "tight" feeling. Just look at the illustration of the condom on the back of the box to see what shape the condom is.

copy of a
Mar 13, 2010

by zen death robot
After having been diagnosed with endometriosis yesterday and having it removed, my doc recommended I get on a birth control that completely stops my periods or else it could get back to where it was in a year's time.
I'm currently on the NuvaRing and I love it because I don't have to worry about taking it every day. It's also never given me any issues like pills have. But I don't know if NuvaRing is capable of completely stopping my periods. You do have to remove it for one week every month to have a period, but if I left it in, would the periods cease or what? If not, what else could I do? My doc said I could continue to use the NuvaRing but if that didn't stop my period, I could double up and use a pill in addition to it. So which pill, if any, completely stops your period?

DRP Solved!
Dec 2, 2009

silversiren posted:

After having been diagnosed with endometriosis yesterday and having it removed, my doc recommended I get on a birth control that completely stops my periods or else it could get back to where it was in a year's time.
I'm currently on the NuvaRing and I love it because I don't have to worry about taking it every day. It's also never given me any issues like pills have. But I don't know if NuvaRing is capable of completely stopping my periods. You do have to remove it for one week every month to have a period, but if I left it in, would the periods cease or what? If not, what else could I do? My doc said I could continue to use the NuvaRing but if that didn't stop my period, I could double up and use a pill in addition to it. So which pill, if any, completely stops your period?

A few things:

- You can use any pill with both estrogen and a progestin continuously by simply skipping the placebo week and continuing with a new pack. Generally, you want to use a monophasic pill (all pills in the pack have the same levels of hormone) rather than a triphasic pill (different levels of the progestin based on the week) for this purpose. Women usually experience varying levels of breakthrough bleeding and spotting, especially during the first three to six months. The breakthrough bleeding may or may not stop.

- You can also use the Nuvaring continuously (leave the same ring in for 4 weeks, then remove that ring and put another ring in for 4 weeks, and repeat) to skip your period. Again, women can again experience breakthrough bleeding and spotting.

- It worries me a bit that your doctor mentioned combining the pill and the ring together to achieve this, as the combination is not generally recommended.

Other forms of birth control that you can consider to prevent your period and can help with endometriosis are the hormonal IUD Mirena, and the Depo Provera shot.

Olive Bar
Mar 30, 2005

Take me to the moon
YMMV but I've had wonderful success with Lutera. I have tons of reproductive system issues and I completely shut down my periods over three years ago by just skipping the "time-keeper" week per my doctor's suggestion. The first couple of months were a little wonky with surprise bleeding but I haven't even had a hint of a spot in over 3 years.

PoliSciGirl
Feb 22, 2010
Today I got my Implanon out and a new one inserted. Wish me luck on another 3 years of easy birth control.

fork bomb
Apr 26, 2010

:shroom::shroom:

PoliSciGirl posted:

Today I got my Implanon out and a new one inserted. Wish me luck on another 3 years of easy birth control.

:hfive: second round of implanon buddy!

legsarerequired
Dec 31, 2007
College Slice
Has anyone here started a diet while on the depo shot?

I've been working out four days a week (free weights, couch to 5k, bicycle crunches, etc) and I've cut sodas, fast food, etc out of my diet, but I'm actually gaining weight even though I can see that I'm getting stronger. I would hate to blame this on my birth control, but I'm in my early twenties and I've never had this much trouble losing weight before... Would someone mind discussing this over PM?

Cracker Jack
May 8, 2007

legsarerequired posted:

Has anyone here started a diet while on the depo shot?

I've been working out four days a week (free weights, couch to 5k, bicycle crunches, etc) and I've cut sodas, fast food, etc out of my diet, but I'm actually gaining weight even though I can see that I'm getting stronger. I would hate to blame this on my birth control, but I'm in my early twenties and I've never had this much trouble losing weight before... Would someone mind discussing this over PM?

Muscle weighs more than fat. If you are working out you are probably replacing one with the other.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I got my Implanon in May last year and haven't had any issues with it at all, then yesterday my boyfriend noticed I was bleeding a bit whilst we were having sex. I thought at first that he'd just caught me with a nail or something and the blood just looked worse because of being mixed with all that sexy fluid, but it's carried on into today and now it looks a lot more like period blood.

It's only fairly light (at the moment, as far as I can tell), but because I've not had any periods or spotting until now, I wonder if I should be concerned?

I figure I'll just wait it out and see if it gets worse/goes away- after all, one of the features of the implant can be sporadic bleeding, but I'd appreciate another opinion.

Bagleworm
Aug 15, 2007
I has your rocks

Cracker Jack posted:

Muscle weighs more than fat. If you are working out you are probably replacing one with the other.

I'm always hesitant to bring this up because some people get weird about it, but it's a likely explanation. If you're tracking changes in your body by a scale instead of a measuring tape, you can get an unpleasant surprise. If you want to track changes in your body more accurately, start regularly taking body measurements in addition to checking your weight.

It's certainly true that hormonal birth control can affect weight, but I wouldn't hurry to put the blame on it right away here, especially if you've been working out and watching your diet.

PoliSciGirl
Feb 22, 2010

Bollock Monkey posted:

I got my Implanon in May last year and haven't had any issues with it at all, then yesterday my boyfriend noticed I was bleeding a bit whilst we were having sex. I thought at first that he'd just caught me with a nail or something and the blood just looked worse because of being mixed with all that sexy fluid, but it's carried on into today and now it looks a lot more like period blood.

It's only fairly light (at the moment, as far as I can tell), but because I've not had any periods or spotting until now, I wonder if I should be concerned?

I figure I'll just wait it out and see if it gets worse/goes away- after all, one of the features of the implant can be sporadic bleeding, but I'd appreciate another opinion.

I'll chime in since I'm on my second implanon. I will go two months without periods and then a really heavy period for two days, two weeks later same thing. I really never know when I'm going to have a period, but I feel it's better than remembering a pill or having to get a shot every three months.

I've heard that some experience this, meaning no period for a while, and poof one day you get one. I have had some experiences that maybe 3 hours after my husband and I have sex, I start my period.

Femmefatel
Oct 23, 2004
When I'm good I'm very, very good but when I'm bad I'm better.
I have PMDD. From what my mom and I have pieced together it runs hard on my mother's side. I spent the ages 11 to ~25 suicidal most of the time and didn't figure out why until I saw a commercial on tv about it. By then I was on Depo for BC. It made it all go away. I loved it and forgave the weight gain for happiness. But after over 7 years I had to go off because the side effects were getting too much. Having serious spotting for 6 months blows.

I moved to Yaz. It almost killed me. I gained 30 pounds inside 2 months and my blood pressure went up. I hated it but gotta have something for the PMDD so I kept at it. I was waking up in the mornings with blurred vision. I put it off as needing new glasses except as the day went on it went away. I figured it was something new from my thyroid (I get every bizarro side effect it can give). Then I read about people having strokes from it. The light bulb went off and I stopped taking it. The blurred vision went away,my blood pressure is down, and I feel so much better. It did take 10 months for all the bad poo poo to go away. It stays with you a long rear end time. Well beyond what my doctor said.

I managed to talk my doctor into something permanent. I had Adiana done with Novasure. I was 35 but no kids and I still had a hell of a time talking my doc into it. For Novasure I just had to tell the gyno I had heavy periods and he did both. My insurance covered it but I still had a $500 co-pay plus $50 per specialist visit and the testing ($300 to get a catheter put in my uterus and x-rays) to make sure it worked so my hubby and I could go off condoms.

I've been period free since I had it done in July. I was in and out withing a couple of house of the surgery. I had more pain on my actual periods than with this surgery, I've been period free since I had it done in July, and my PMDD symptoms are greatly reduced. No more pills for birth control or PMDD! If you want something permanent I would highly recommend both procedures together.

Fake edit: Adiana puts little silicone beads in the fallopian tubes. They then "irritate" the tubes to jump start them into creating scar tissue to block them.
NovaSure contours a net type thing to uterus then some sort of magical beam zaps it basically removing the lining of the uterus.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
The wife's reproductive health (and perhaps health overall I suppose) is a complete mess and I'm trying to find some research to help her get over the high-paranoia anxiety she has over hormone-based birth control methods.

What sort of long-term studies in the medical professional community on hormonal BC including IUDs and pills are available? The wife basically refuses to have external hormones put into her body after a (unsubstantiated) bad experience with Yaz almost a decade ago that she strongly believes resulted in endometriosis for her. Her periods and ovulations are without exception painful and vary wildly between 4 days early and 2 weeks late - have been like that since late puberty I think. She gets horribly bad breakouts around her period and her acne's been getting worse since puberty it seems. Thing is, she's turning 36 in a month. Not sure if that counts as PMDD, but I know it's nowhere near normal for someone her age. Furthermore, she has confirmed (and extensive!) endometriosis and had about 800g of fibroids surgically removed the other year, so she's screwed up real good. It also turns out she has borderline Hashimoto's syndrome (hypothyroidism) so maybe BC could interact with that condition too? Her last gynecologist / surgeon suggested Mircet (I think that's it) to help regulate her hormones a bit since it's among the safest and oldest (and therefore researched) pills.

Wife's solution to all this: eat organic foods and avoid anything with estrogen in it at all including soy and cabbage for the rest of her life, meanwhile just live with the bullshit. I think her body's own hormone imbalancing tendencies will trump whatever food intake and birth control methods could cause (say, 80% unpreventable, 20% preventable hormone related causes) and that it's a thoughtful but ineffective strategy. Thankfully we're against kids (endometriosis is blocking one of her fallopian tubes completely so if she got pregnant it'd be a 50/50 shot at an ectopic pregnancy), so I could go get a vasectomy and shoot blanks up in her. Unfortunately, that won't solve her numerous hormone imbalances either which are what I'm concerned about.

Thoughts, suggestions? The wife goes nuts and out-researches her own doctors and preemptively shoots down everything they suggest so I'd like to suggest something else so she can enjoy her life better because I think her reproductive health issues are ruining / have ruined her life (and in the process, mine). About half the words out of the wife's mouth have something to do with her period being crappy and I'm not sure I can deal with that for years and years until she finally hits menopause. I'd almost rather hear crap about curtain colors than this because at least I'd know she's not in pain :(

Bagleworm
Aug 15, 2007
I has your rocks
^ Do you have access to any journals? There's a journal I refer to often, Contraception that is a prominent journal in the community, but like any scientific journal it requires a subscription. That's only if you want/need to point her to peer-reviewed articles, of course. (You can also find abstracts, and occasionally full papers, through Google Scholar or PubMed)

I know for a fact that hormonal IUDs are often used to successfully treat endo, and rarely have negative side effects (at least, more negative than endo). They contain low-doses of hormones and almost always cause lighter, shorter and less painful periods. They can also clear up skin and smooth out moods caused by PMS or PMDD. The only thing they don't do is regulate the timing of periods. That would be the line of research I would suggest first for (what sounds like) severe endo. If you want more specific links or anecdotes or anything, feel free to ask. We love helping people work out their sexual health. :)

(Personal opinion ahead:
Of course, your greatest obstacle in this may be your wife's stubbornness, because it sounds like she's resigned/fated herself to reproductive issues. No matter how well you research, she will always be able to find things to support her (probable?) personal view that hormones are always bad. It really sounds to me like she's not being reasonable about this - some people get weird and stubborn about their health issues, and stop trusting experts like doctors, which is frustrating for their loved ones. I really hope this isn't the case with her, and wish you the best of luck.)

Kimmalah
Nov 14, 2005

Basically just a baby in a trenchcoat.


necrobobsledder posted:

The wife's reproductive health (and perhaps health overall I suppose) is a complete mess and I'm trying to find some research to help her get over the high-paranoia anxiety she has over hormone-based birth control methods.

What sort of long-term studies in the medical professional community on hormonal BC including IUDs and pills are available? The wife basically refuses to have external hormones put into her body after a (unsubstantiated) bad experience with Yaz almost a decade ago that she strongly believes resulted in endometriosis for her. Her periods and ovulations are without exception painful and vary wildly between 4 days early and 2 weeks late - have been like that since late puberty I think. She gets horribly bad breakouts around her period and her acne's been getting worse since puberty it seems. Thing is, she's turning 36 in a month. Not sure if that counts as PMDD, but I know it's nowhere near normal for someone her age. Furthermore, she has confirmed (and extensive!) endometriosis and had about 800g of fibroids surgically removed the other year, so she's screwed up real good. It also turns out she has borderline Hashimoto's syndrome (hypothyroidism) so maybe BC could interact with that condition too? Her last gynecologist / surgeon suggested Mircet (I think that's it) to help regulate her hormones a bit since it's among the safest and oldest (and therefore researched) pills.

If anything hormonal birth control methods should make a lot of her symptoms improve (no ovulation, lighter periods/thinner endometrial tissue, usually less acne). The problem is of course that it often takes a few tries to find the right method or brand of pill and it doesn't sound like she'd be willing to stick with it. I can't think of any logical connection between artificial hormones and the onset of any of her problems.

What kind of studies are you looking for? Are you just trying to prove that it's safe or that it might help her symptoms? I'm sure there's tons of stuff out there, so it might help to narrow it down by knowing what you're trying to get across to her. It doesn't sound like your wife's organic diet solution has very helpful if she's still complaining about painful periods and so on. Is there any way you could point that out without it turning into a huge argument?

I wish you luck. Every person I've known who won't listen to their doctors/tries to fix all their health problems alone usually won't listen to studies either since it's still all part of "the establishment" they don't trust. I fought a similar battle with my parents for years until I just had to give it up.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
Thanks for the journals, I just needed a place to start research. The wife has a number of other psychological problems that make it tough for me to out-rationale her (she has borderline OCD as well as anxiety), but if there's anyone she might listen to, it's me (or some commercial that manages to link not taking birth control to mean that puppies and kitties will die - not joking at all that she's completely taken different lifestyle measures based upon animal welfare). Unlike most hyper-paranoid people, she reads medical articles thoroughly... and proceeds to hyperfocus upon all the side effects / risks and completely rules out anything with risks of any sort without even looking at the benefits unless the confidence is extremely high (usually means less effective of course). This is pretty common among OCD folks and she's admitted to having borderline OCD according to a past doctor / therapist.

She's ruled out the copper IUD mostly because she was conceived when her mom was using one in the 70s and has figured she'd be that unlucky one too. She's almost paranoid enough for her to start asking me to pull out when I'm using a condom or to keep using one even if I got a vasectomy. I guess what bothers me is that she'd rather I make a very permanent decision over her taking steps to improve her own day-to-day health and well-being while using BC in the same stroke.

I'm mostly looking for long-term studies on different hormonal and non-hormonal contraceptives, their interaction with other hormones (or hormone deficiencies), and relation to cancers and diseases like breast and cervical cancer. I know OCD nor behavioral conditioning can't be really beaten with logic, but I'm hoping that with enough authoritative material filtered through me she might at least accept some risks and I can ease her paranoia through my personal support.

The organic food / restricted diet rationale is a long-term thinking one though so I can't really refute nor support it at this point with data. My repeated point is what's the point of long-term thinking if you'll be miserable along the whole way (is it possibly worth a little bit of chance of cancer among all the other risks for a strong guarantee of a better life until then?)? I've pointed out she has zero idea what percentage diet contributed to her conditions nor even that Yaz (now the stupid lawsuit commercials are justification for her saying that's what gave her fibroids / endo) nor that NOBODY ELSE in her family has most of her problems despite all of them having worse, non-organic, very stereotypical Appalachian / Southern diets.


Things are getting worse for her despite therapy and with her refusal to take a decent amount of medications (tiny doses of Klonopin and drinking almost every night hardly count as "dealing with it" to me). And because our life situation is pretty stressful overall and stress seems to trigger things, we're pretty much the worst people for each other to be around I figure.

Kimmalah
Nov 14, 2005

Basically just a baby in a trenchcoat.


necrobobsledder posted:

Thanks for the journals, I just needed a place to start research. The wife has a number of other psychological problems that make it tough for me to out-rationale her (she has borderline OCD as well as anxiety), but if there's anyone she might listen to, it's me (or some commercial that manages to link not taking birth control to mean that puppies and kitties will die - not joking at all that she's completely taken different lifestyle measures based upon animal welfare). Unlike most hyper-paranoid people, she reads medical articles thoroughly... and proceeds to hyperfocus upon all the side effects / risks and completely rules out anything with risks of any sort without even looking at the benefits unless the confidence is extremely high (usually means less effective of course). This is pretty common among OCD folks and she's admitted to having borderline OCD according to a past doctor / therapist.

She's ruled out the copper IUD mostly because she was conceived when her mom was using one in the 70s and has figured she'd be that unlucky one too. She's almost paranoid enough for her to start asking me to pull out when I'm using a condom or to keep using one even if I got a vasectomy. I guess what bothers me is that she'd rather I make a very permanent decision over her taking steps to improve her own day-to-day health and well-being while using BC in the same stroke.

I'm mostly looking for long-term studies on different hormonal and non-hormonal contraceptives, their interaction with other hormones (or hormone deficiencies), and relation to cancers and diseases like breast and cervical cancer. I know OCD nor behavioral conditioning can't be really beaten with logic, but I'm hoping that with enough authoritative material filtered through me she might at least accept some risks and I can ease her paranoia through my personal support.

The organic food / restricted diet rationale is a long-term thinking one though so I can't really refute nor support it at this point with data. My repeated point is what's the point of long-term thinking if you'll be miserable along the whole way (is it possibly worth a little bit of chance of cancer among all the other risks for a strong guarantee of a better life until then?)? I've pointed out she has zero idea what percentage diet contributed to her conditions nor even that Yaz (now the stupid lawsuit commercials are justification for her saying that's what gave her fibroids / endo) nor that NOBODY ELSE in her family has most of her problems despite all of them having worse, non-organic, very stereotypical Appalachian / Southern diets.


Things are getting worse for her despite therapy and with her refusal to take a decent amount of medications (tiny doses of Klonopin and drinking almost every night hardly count as "dealing with it" to me). And because our life situation is pretty stressful overall and stress seems to trigger things, we're pretty much the worst people for each other to be around I figure.

Unfortunately, if painful periods are a problem for her the copper IUD probably wouldn't be a good fit for her. Not because she'll get pregnant on it but because it does tend to make periods crampier and heavier.

I'm not sure I'd be much help searching for specific articles so hopefully someone better versed in this stuff can do that, but I could point you to some sources. Google Scholar was always very helpful to me when I needed articles. For medical journals specifically, there's PubMed. Of course a lot of these journals require a subscription, so I don't know how much help it'll be. WorldCat might be helpful if you have any academic libraries in your area. If you do have a college or two near you, try their library's website. They usually have a system set up for searching journal articles.

Also if it's cancer she's worried about, there are studies out there that point to BC lowering the risk of things like ovarian cancers so that might be something to look at. And the Yaz lawsuits have nothing to do with fibroids/endometriosis, they're actually for conditions like hyperkalemia and gallbladder problems.

Sorry my post was kind of all over the place, a lot to answer there!

Lanthanum
Oct 19, 2008

I wish I had a robot husband. That would be baller as fuck.
I've become suuuuper bitchy toward my boyfriend. I'm sure this is part of the hormone rollercoaster in implanon, but will it go away after 3-6 months? Aside from silly emotions, I absolutely love it.

Ring of Light
Sep 3, 2006

necrobobsledder posted:

The wife's reproductive health (and perhaps health overall I suppose) is a complete mess and I'm trying to find some research to help her get over the high-paranoia anxiety she has over hormone-based birth control methods.

What sort of long-term studies in the medical professional community on hormonal BC including IUDs and pills are available? The wife basically refuses to have external hormones put into her body after a (unsubstantiated) bad experience with Yaz almost a decade ago that she strongly believes resulted in endometriosis for her. Her periods and ovulations are without exception painful and vary wildly between 4 days early and 2 weeks late - have been like that since late puberty I think. She gets horribly bad breakouts around her period and her acne's been getting worse since puberty it seems. Thing is, she's turning 36 in a month. Not sure if that counts as PMDD, but I know it's nowhere near normal for someone her age. Furthermore, she has confirmed (and extensive!) endometriosis and had about 800g of fibroids surgically removed the other year, so she's screwed up real good. It also turns out she has borderline Hashimoto's syndrome (hypothyroidism) so maybe BC could interact with that condition too? Her last gynecologist / surgeon suggested Mircet (I think that's it) to help regulate her hormones a bit since it's among the safest and oldest (and therefore researched) pills.

Wife's solution to all this: eat organic foods and avoid anything with estrogen in it at all including soy and cabbage for the rest of her life, meanwhile just live with the bullshit. I think her body's own hormone imbalancing tendencies will trump whatever food intake and birth control methods could cause (say, 80% unpreventable, 20% preventable hormone related causes) and that it's a thoughtful but ineffective strategy. Thankfully we're against kids (endometriosis is blocking one of her fallopian tubes completely so if she got pregnant it'd be a 50/50 shot at an ectopic pregnancy), so I could go get a vasectomy and shoot blanks up in her. Unfortunately, that won't solve her numerous hormone imbalances either which are what I'm concerned about.


Do you guys want kids? My mom had very similar problems and ended having a hysterectomy as a result and things have been great for her since. She had to put a lot of pressure on her doctors and was forced to unsuccessfully try a couple birth control pills and have a few D&C's before they would approve it. She also had heavy, painful periods (at the worst right before her surgery she was going through a stacked overnight pad and super plus tampon every hour and had a two weeks on two weeks off cycle) and large fibroids. At the time of her surgery they also found a large cyst on one of her ovaries and had to remove that ovary as well. Surgery is a big risk and I'm not sure if she has to do any hormone replacement therapies now but her quality of life has improved a 100x.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

Ring of Light posted:

Do you guys want kids? My mom had very similar problems and ended having a hysterectomy as a result and things have been great for her since. She had to put a lot of pressure on her doctors and was forced to unsuccessfully try a couple birth control pills and have a few D&C's before they would approve it. She also had heavy, painful periods (at the worst right before her surgery she was going through a stacked overnight pad and super plus tampon every hour and had a two weeks on two weeks off cycle) and large fibroids. At the time of her surgery they also found a large cyst on one of her ovaries and had to remove that ovary as well. Surgery is a big risk and I'm not sure if she has to do any hormone replacement therapies now but her quality of life has improved a 100x.
We know we don't want kids. She has expressed she'd go get an abortion with no regrets - we both despise children. The wife is against a hysterectomy for the foreseeable future because she doesn't want more scars on her stomach. They're about 1.2cm wide on two sides of her stomach but nothing I immediately notice when she's in her bikini.

The papers I've been reading suggest she naturally has a high production of estrogen (despite what her bloodwork says being just barely slightly above normal) and that her choice to not use (non-estrogen releasing) birth control have contributed more to her endometriosis and fibroids than the stint of Yaz from her mid 20s or the factor of a childhood crappy hormone-soaked Appalachian / Southern diet. All the (independent) xenoestrogen research I've read suggests mostly childhood or young adulthood obesity or diabetes rather than endometriosis / fibroids and the wife is certainly not overweight or borderline diabetic despite it running in her family. What's different is that she's the only female to not have been pregnant before 27, and that seems to be a statistically significant risk factor for a number of the problems she has. Even my mom had significant fibroids and bad period symptoms before having me when she was 32 (I was her first child) so, while anecdotal, the opposite assumption isn't holding so strong for me.

So if anything, I can say I'd advise young women to use some sort of BC even if they're not sexually active or expecting to have children later on because not doing so puts you at a higher risk of a cascade of problems not just beyond your reproductive system but the endocrine system as a whole. Seems some women's bodies will get revenge on you or something for not having a kid (or ever being pregnant).

Reformed Tomboy
Feb 2, 2005

chu~~

necrobobsledder posted:

We know we don't want kids. She has expressed she'd go get an abortion with no regrets - we both despise children. The wife is against a hysterectomy for the foreseeable future because she doesn't want more scars on her stomach.

Have you talked to her doctor about hysterectomies? Not all of them are performed through a cut in the stomach. When my mom got hers done (to stop her miserable periods after she was done with kids) they went in through her vagina and removed her uterus only. No scar at all.

It sounds to me like she has all kinds of issues, and not going to a doctor will not help at all. She needs to talk to a doctor about her real options, not the internet.

Lanthanum posted:

I've become suuuuper bitchy toward my boyfriend. I'm sure this is part of the hormone rollercoaster in implanon, but will it go away after 3-6 months? Aside from silly emotions, I absolutely love it.

Kind of related, but I broke down and cried a number of times when I first got it. It faded though. How often is it happening? Or is it all the time?

rainbow kittens
Jan 20, 2006

Poor little kittens, they've lost their mittens! And now they shan't have pie :(
Goonettes, tell me about your experience with night sweats!

I had no idea why I was waking up soaked from head to toe every few mornings. Last night I woke up in the middle of an episode, and I went to pull my legs closer to my body and realized they were completely covered in a layer of sweat. The entire length.

This has only been happening in the past few months since I began Seasonale.

The internet tells me this can happen when taking hormones.

*sigh*

Lanthanum
Oct 19, 2008

I wish I had a robot husband. That would be baller as fuck.

Reformed Tomboy posted:

Kind of related, but I broke down and cried a number of times when I first got it. It faded though. How often is it happening? Or is it all the time?

I'm normal toward everyone else, but toward my boyfriend I've become this super bitch, and I really dont want anything to do with him. I'm currently furious with him, I dont know why, he hasnt done anything to warrant this feeling, yet I cant stop being mad at him. :( I miss him and dont want anything to do with him at the same time

fork bomb
Apr 26, 2010

:shroom::shroom:

Lanthanum posted:

I'm normal toward everyone else, but toward my boyfriend I've become this super bitch, and I really dont want anything to do with him. I'm currently furious with him, I dont know why, he hasnt done anything to warrant this feeling, yet I cant stop being mad at him. :( I miss him and dont want anything to do with him at the same time

You might want to look at other aspects happening in your life directly or peripherally related to the relationship and/or him. One of the great things about Implanon is the stability of the hormones (as opposed to the roller coaster ride from Depo).

Did you just get your Implanon? I hope that it is just your body settling in but in my experience it only took about two days to get past the hormone adjustment. Granted, I'm talking about physical side effects rather than emotional but everyone is different. v:shobon:v

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

Reformed Tomboy posted:

It sounds to me like she has all kinds of issues, and not going to a doctor will not help at all. She needs to talk to a doctor about her real options, not the internet.
Umm, we did following her fibroid removal surgery as follow-up where, after a long, long explanation of the wife decrying Yaz and hormones and everything, the doctor offered to write her a prescription for Mircette, which she of course didn't take. She's expressed on more than one occasion that she'd consider a hysterectomy but wasn't sure of the potential side-effects (not unreasonable here, it's a lot more complicated for me than a vasectomy at least and that's one of the least riskiest surgeries, too).

Reformed Tomboy
Feb 2, 2005

chu~~

necrobobsledder posted:

Umm, we did following her fibroid removal surgery as follow-up where, after a long, long explanation of the wife decrying Yaz and hormones and everything, the doctor offered to write her a prescription for Mircette, which she of course didn't take. She's expressed on more than one occasion that she'd consider a hysterectomy but wasn't sure of the potential side-effects (not unreasonable here, it's a lot more complicated for me than a vasectomy at least and that's one of the least riskiest surgeries, too).

I don't even know how to respond to you. So she goes to the doctor? Who cares. She's not doing what he's advising, which is just as bad. What do you think a bunch of internet girls are going to help you with? That's my point. She has too much going on for any of us to help her. Especially when she won't listen to her real doctor.

Which is why I said if she's serious about hysterectomies, she needs to talk about her real options with her real doctor instead of assuming she knows everything about it. And you're right, a vasectomy would be easier to perform, but you're not the one with the reproductive-related issues, she is.

psychic onion
Jul 2, 2005
salt dwarf enemy no. 1
NuvaRing question: on a regular 3 weeks in, 1 week out cycle, my girlfriend left the ring out for eight full days (i.e. put a new ring in one day late). How long do we need another form of protection?

DRP Solved!
Dec 2, 2009

psychic onion posted:

NuvaRing question: on a regular 3 weeks in, 1 week out cycle, my girlfriend left the ring out for eight full days (i.e. put a new ring in one day late). How long do we need another form of protection?

7 days. There's a great document in the OP with a flow chart based on what form of birth control you're using, how many days you've missed and when in the cycle those days were missed (http://www.sogc.org/guidelines/documents/gui219ECO0811.pdf).

Kerfuffle
Aug 16, 2007

The sky calls to us~

Reformed Tomboy posted:

I don't even know how to respond to you. So she goes to the doctor? Who cares. She's not doing what he's advising, which is just as bad. What do you think a bunch of internet girls are going to help you with? That's my point. She has too much going on for any of us to help her. Especially when she won't listen to her real doctor.

Yeah there's not much anyone can do if your wife is too stuck in her opinions to want to help herself first. She needs a different kind of help.

Lanthanum
Oct 19, 2008

I wish I had a robot husband. That would be baller as fuck.

fork bomb posted:

You might want to look at other aspects happening in your life directly or peripherally related to the relationship and/or him. One of the great things about Implanon is the stability of the hormones (as opposed to the roller coaster ride from Depo).

Did you just get your Implanon? I hope that it is just your body settling in but in my experience it only took about two days to get past the hormone adjustment. Granted, I'm talking about physical side effects rather than emotional but everyone is different. v:shobon:v

Nothing really has changed for the worse in my life recently, only better. I got it in a couple weeks ago, and just have been super emotional lately. I'm hoping it will go away soon

Ernest Hemingway
Dec 4, 2009
Has anyone had any problems with ovarian cysts after getting an IUD?

I spent my last Saturday night in the hospital with my girlfriend waiting for the ultrasound tech to get called in so they could figure out what was causing her sudden, sharp and debilitating cramps. It turns out it was a hemorrhagic cyst on her right ovary. After four hours, some pain meds through the IV and a prescription they let her go, telling her it should go away on its own but that she should follow up with her doctor so she can get another ultrasound down the road.

Apparently about 10% of people who get IUD's get these cysts. I think they're usually not much of an issue, but they can be dangerous. In my girlfriend's case she went through a lot of pain and had to miss her performance that night (she's an actor), which really sucked.

Grushenka
Jan 4, 2009
I didn't see this in the last nine or so pages, but I was wondering if anyone has been prescribed Cerazette despite having a history of fibroadenomas. My GP wants me to take it for three months before considering an IUD, but I've been reading the info packet and it says not to take this medicine if you've have breast cancer. Fibroadenomas are benign tumours, but I was just wondering.

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GenericOverusedName
Nov 24, 2009

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I'm looking into going on the pill, and I was wondering if there was any known issues with SNRI antidepressants. I'm gonna ask my doctor of course, but if anybody has some unreliable anecdotes, feel free to share. Also, what is a good type of pill for somebody who's never gone on hormonal BC before? I've been looking into triphasic stuff.

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