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Karmine posted:It was a really great promo if you think of it as a promo instead of just an athlete talking. At the time it aired, I laughed and thought it was great because I had it in mind as a heel promo - when I actually considered it from a sports point of view the dude was basically ripping into the financial sponsor for his company like a petulant child and it kind of lost its gloss. MrMondayNight posted:I know there is a lot of talk for "best wrestler/move/theme/whatever of all time" but are there any individual cards that are commonly considered best of all time? Wrestlemania 17?
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Yeah for me its either this or IYH: Calgary Stampede but I was wondering if there is some higher level of card quality I am unaware of only really having followed WWF/WCW/ECW back in the day and WWE/Occasional ROH since.
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Mar 12, 2011 05:06
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Jerusalem posted:Wrestlemania 17? Look how oddly you mistyped Great American Bash '89.
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MrMondayNight posted:I know there is a lot of talk for "best wrestler/move/theme/whatever of all time" but are there any individual cards that are commonly considered best of all time? I tend to throw my support behind WMX-7 and Fully Loaded 2000. That gave you the very well built up Benoit vs. Rock (with Shane doing a great job as Benoit's manager), HHH vs. Jericho in a Last Man Standing match, Angle vs. Taker, Val Venis vs. Rikishi in a cage for the IC Title, APA vs. Edge and Christian, Saturn vs. Eddie for the European Championship, Tazz vs. Al Snow and Hardys/Lita vs. T&A/Trish. Of course, I haven't watched the event since I was 15 so it probably doesn't stand up.
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Jerusalem posted:At the time it aired, I laughed and thought it was great because I had it in mind as a heel promo - when I actually considered it from a sports point of view the dude was basically ripping into the financial sponsor for his company like a petulant child and it kind of lost its gloss. Well, if I watched it again I would probably feel the same way, but in terms of making people want to buy more PPVs to see Brock Lesnar get his stupid rear end kicked, I'd call that a win. e: Also, seconding WrestleMania X-7 and Fully Loaded 00 for best all-time cards.
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Canadian Stampede. It helps that there are only four matches, but it's regarded as one of the best top to bottom shows I believe.
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Fully Loaded 2000, as in the Fully Loaded 2000 that was a horribly booked show and whose all but one matches were underwhelming? e: As for actual candidates, ROH Glory By Honor V Night 2, Glory By Honor VIII, and Final Battle 2008 are the ones I usually think of when considering the best. Nut Bunnies fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Mar 12, 2011 |
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Royal Rumble 2000? This is such a great show. Everyone remembers Cactus vs. HHH but the Hardys/Dudleys table match and the Rumble are both awesome. Retarding Invasion booking aside, Summerslam 2001 is an awesome show from an in-ring perspective too, outside of the Kane and Undertaker/DDP and Kanyon debacle.
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Moose Bigelow posted:Look how oddly you mistyped Great American Bash '89. While checking out the card for this one to see if I knew it I came across this: wiki article posted:Dusty Rhodes (with Barry Windham) defeated Tully Blanchard (with James J. Dillon and Dark Journey) in a "lights-out" Barbed Wire Ladder match for $100,000. That seems a little....extreme for 1987 and I wouldnt expect Tully in a match like that.
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MrMondayNight posted:While checking out the card for this one to see if I knew it I came across this: When I lived in Juneau we didn't get ppv technology for a while so my 10 yr old self imagined a lights out match as a literal lights out match.
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MrMondayNight posted:While checking out the card for this one to see if I knew it I came across this: They went CRAZY on blood in 1987. They did a ton of main events which were just dudes bleeding everywhere.
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Captain Charisma posted:Fully Loaded 2000, as in the Fully Loaded 2000 that was a horribly booked show and whose all but one matches were underwhelming? My strongest memory of that show is Edge's pre-match promo where he talks about the Kennedy assassination and says that Oswald shouldn't have bothered because if JFK had spent another second in Dallas he would have just killed himself anyway. e: Rumble 01 is a good choice too Karmine fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Mar 12, 2011 |
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Mar 12, 2011 05:39
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Powerslam had a top 25 on this not too long ago:quote:25 - NJPW - Battle Formation 1996 Some weird ones on here but some really awesome shows.
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A number of headscratchers, but Backlash 2009 being on there is straight up 
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I was going to make fun of Big Egg Universe's name, but then upon discovering it was a ten-hour-long show, I am so humbled that I can only wish I had seen it live.
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Womens Promotion as well.
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Captain Charisma posted:A number of headscratchers, but Backlash 2009 being on there is straight up It was an awesome show but that is a terrible list.
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HulkaMatt posted:Powerslam had a top 25 on this not too long ago: Ha funnily enough I just bought that earlier but hadnt read it yet. Are the Big Egg shows as good as they say because for as long as I can remember (and I think I started reading it around issue 60 or so) they have been saying its the greatest but I have never seen anyone else mention it.
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MassRayPer posted:It was an awesome show but that is a terrible list. It really is but it was the first thing I thought of when the question was asked.  I have never seen the Big Egg Universe show but it's All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling in the 90's so I imagine a 5 star match is on it.
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MrMondayNight posted:I know there is a lot of talk for "best wrestler/move/theme/whatever of all time" but are there any individual cards that are commonly considered best of all time? Wrestlemania 17
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Saw Backlash 2000 on the list, that was also an incredible show.
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HulkaMatt posted:It really is but it was the first thing I thought of when the question was asked. Indeed there was (by Meltzer rankings anyway), Aja Kong vs Manami Toyota. The match list for it looks insanely good too. Going to have to find that somewhere.
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If you like the ECW style, Heat Wave 98 is definitely the quintessential ECW PPV.
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Backlash 2000 was amazing, the main event was what Wrestlemania SHOULD have been. I vaguely remember really enjoying Backlash 2009 but how bizarre to see it on that list as one of the best ever.
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Jerusalem posted:Backlash 2000 was amazing, the main event was what Wrestlemania SHOULD have been. What you said about the Backlash 2000 main event? That applies to the entire Backlash 2009 card.
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MassRayPer posted:What you said about the Backlash 2000 main event? That applies to the entire Backlash 2009 card. It really and truly does. How about cards that were great on paper and crap in execution?
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CM Funk posted:It really and truly does. Wrestlemania 18? It looked pretty good on paper but apart from the standout of Rock/Hogan and the surprisingly good Flair/Taker, it was pretty disappointing. HHH/Jericho wasn't bad but went in the wrong place on the card and everybody was burned out and really didn't care by the time it happened.
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It was also a complete foregone conclusion. Sometimes that isn't a bad thing but in this case people were walking out of the Skydome in droves during it.
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Ok, Cody Rhodes. Is it the case that he only just became awesome with this facemask story or are there good promos/matches from before then that people can recommend?
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Jerusalem posted:Backlash 2000 was amazing, the main event was what Wrestlemania SHOULD have been. Wasn't that the one that the bell keeper screwed up the finish by ringing the bell after the RKO pin attempt?
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Rarity posted:Ok, Cody Rhodes. Is it the case that he only just became awesome with this facemask story or are there good promos/matches from before then that people can recommend? Cody's come into his own with the facemask. His prior stuff was serviceable but nothing outstanding. He could always work and talk but he was never allowed to run with a character the way he has now.
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Jerusalem posted:Wrestlemania 18? It looked pretty good on paper but apart from the standout of Rock/Hogan and the surprisingly good Flair/Taker, it was pretty disappointing. HHH/Jericho wasn't bad but went in the wrong place on the card and everybody was burned out and really didn't care by the time it happened. Wrestlemania 26 has to be up there. In terms of build, it was the exact opposite of this year. Everything had been built up really well and there were a load of matches that would be really good. Or if not 'really good' they would have marquee value. Cena/Batista ended up being pretty not great, Sheamus/HHH was the standard 'Epic HHH match', Edge/Jericho was a big letdown, MitB wasn't as good as previous years, Orton/Legacy was servicable but the heat had entirely left that angle at this point and Mysterio/Punk only went about 7 minutes.
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I thought 26 was awful apart from the main event none of the matches really lived up to their potential, Punk and Mysterio was good all be it really short especially considering it was with two performers who'd have to have incredibly bad luck to pull out a crappy match against each other. I was listening to an old LAW tonight and Dan made an excellent point when reviewing Extreme Rules, all of the Wrestlemania rematches were much better than the matches at Wrestlemania. I don't know what it was about that PPV because nothing stood out as being particularly bad, it just felt really flat to me and when I was watching it I just couldn't get into it at all even though I never saw the original HBK/Undertaker match so it wasn't my anticipation for that stopping me from being interested. The event actually made me stop watching WWE for three months and go on a nostalgia tape binge, it just made me think that if this was what they put together for their biggses PPV of the year it was most likely going to be an extremely underwhelming year. Jerusalem posted:Backlash 2000 was amazing, the main event was what Wrestlemania SHOULD have been. Manic_Misanthrope posted:Cody's come into his own with the facemask. His prior stuff was serviceable but nothing outstanding. He could always work and talk but he was never allowed to run with a character the way he has now. Sue Denim fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 12, 2011 |
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It wasn't anywhere close to crap, in fact it was quite good, but ROH's first show in Hammerstein, A New Level, really underwhelmed me, given how unbelievable the card was. Pretty much every match could have been a main event or sub-main on another show, and I was foolishly expecting every match to be wrestled as such. Although to be fair, Gabe did hype the show as "every match could be a main event!!"
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I knew Cody had potential since about the time he was first paired with Bob Holly. That didn't feel necessary and more like it was to give Holly something to work with. I think Cody's physique is too lean and slim in terms of what the WWE looks for otherwise I think he could be really entertaining if they push him well. I wouldn't be surprised if he also came up with ideas for his character or storyline. It feels like a guy that doesn't need creative to do all the work for him and is more of a natural.
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Yeah, I remember being really caught up in the excitement of actually being at the show for A New Level, but I rewatched it not too long ago and it wasn't anywhere near as special as I thought it was at the time (trying to get the most out of $7 beers may explain this.) I also forgot about that reeeeeeally awkward segment with the table during the Ares/Briscoe vs Jacobs/Black match. Dragon/Marufuji was (and still is) pretty loving rad though.
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How do wrestlers learn to do movges like a 450 splash or a shooting star press? There's only so much you can have someone tell you wih a move like that I imagine and then you'd just have to learn by trial and error, I guess. But how do they start trying to learn a move like that so that they don't just break their necks trying it the first time?
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Sue Denim posted:How do wrestlers learn to do movges like a 450 splash or a shooting star press? Billy Kidman said he used to do shooting stars on a diving board. I'm guessing a lot of top rope moves are first done on pool diving boards.
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Sue Denim posted:How do wrestlers learn to do movges like a 450 splash or a shooting star press? Paul London said he saw Liger doing the ssp and thought "hey, I can do that." So he tried. I don't remember where I saw this, I think it was in a printed interview sometime during his WWE singles run.
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