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MrMondayNight posted:This would work quite well. Inevitable victory for "Armbar". I'm guessing something obscure from the 80s/90s is going to come out of the woodwork, that half of us have never seen before, and half of us haven't marked out for in over a decade. And then we will all ride the bandwagon together. I know where my vote's going.. "I can cultivate her into something even I could want!"
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Sugar Blaster posted:(still bitter about Santino and Kozlov beating Kings of Wrestling in the tag poll.) Didn't happen.
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This will be the moment..... starting now..... at this moment.... right now....... this will be the moment...... of the genesis...... of MCGUILLICUTTY!
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Im gonna tell you all. With a tear.....in my eye.... Only because Heenan during the Rumble probably isnt eligable 
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Mar 13, 2011 04:47
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Nominating the Cena/Angle rapoff.
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Ok, so I want to discuss the "Stone Cold run over by a car". This is a pretty important angle for me because I got into watching WWF about two or three weeks afterwards. Knowing he was as great as he was through the hearsay of my friends, I really wanted to see Austin in action. His not being on TV made me romanticize him even more at my young age. I did a little research just now on it and have some questions. 1. Was his neck surgery scheduled to happen around the time of the car accident, or was it impromptu due to some complication? 2. If it was scheduled, what was the deal with the Big Show getting the title as his replacement? It sounds like the Rock/HHH/Austin Triple Threat they had scheduled before was a big deal, and Big Show being in it sounds like dicking the audience over (no offense to Big Show, of course). I distinctly remember knowing giving a poo poo about Big Show having the title, his feud with Big Bossman being pretty lame, and him jobbing to Triple H on Raw to lose his belt. Was that really the plan or was just this some kind of last minute booking due to Austin's injury. 3. Upon his return, what the gently caress was the deal with it being Rikishi who ran him over? Rikishi doesn't seem like the type guy you would ever turn heel. I know he "did it for the Rock" or whatever. And even when he was revealed and I was still a bit of a mark I thought it was lame. Was the eventual change to HHH being the one who ran him over again trying to salvage the angle due to Rikishi going over like a zeppelin made of lead or what? 4. In general, would you consider Stone Cold's career to be as equal quality after returning, less quality, or even more quality than it was before his absence?
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crankdatbatman posted:Austin neck stuff Basically, Austin had been on a slow decline ever since Owen dropped him on his head. He was in dire need of the neck surgery and had been for years. I think it had been said that if he didn't have the surgery soon, he wouldn't be able to turn his head anymore. As for his career ... well, in-ring wise, Austin was loving flying around the ring after he came back. He was putting on some of the very best in-ring work of his career at age 36. And the Two-Man Power Trip was awesome. The remainder of his career was ... different than 1996 - 2000, but most of it was just as good, the introduction of WHAT notwithstanding.
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I'll take a swing at this. 1. Austin's surgery was long overdue, as he hadn't ever taken proper time off after breaking his neck. So he finally got it. I'm guessing he made the decision to get surgery after the booking of the match, but that's pure conjecture on my part. 2. I really have no idea. On the one hand it seems like a last-minute decision, because it's not like Big Show had any main-event feuds in the pipeline, and he hadn't been particularly close to the main event since the first couple of months or so after leaving WCW. But then again, Vince does like his big guys and since WCW still existed then Big Show's mere presence in the WWF was kind of a novelty. And shock title changes were the style of the time. 3. I always figured they picked Rikishi because he was really ridiculously over for all of 2000, and with WCW so far behind by that point they figured they could afford to make risky booking decisions like trying to see if Rikishi could main event, or at least be a top star. Keep in mind that both Rock and HHH had recently become major main event players after turning heel. In a lot of ways, it probably seemed like the best, easiest way to make him into one. But yeah, I can only assume they switched to HHH because the Rikishi thing didn't work out like they hoped. 4. I don't know how fair a question this is; there wasn't much left of his career after the surgery, although he did have a great 2001. But he was done in-ring a couple years later, sat a large amount of 2002 out, etc. His absolute best years were behind him.
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Tyma posted:I know where my vote's going.. I got chills just reading that. Just so evil.
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"'What?' stuff notwithstanding" ignores that Austin made "WHAT?" work and it was another sign of how the man could turn anything into gold. Part of what made him such a great wrestler is that when his body started to get hosed up, he changed up his style of wrestling to fit it but found a way to make it connect with the crowd. For a very long period Austin's matches consisted almost entirely of exchanging punches, laying in some kicks on the ground and brawling through the crowd.... and it was some of the most exciting loving wrestling you could ever hope to see. 
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Jerusalem posted:"'What?' stuff notwithstanding" ignores that Austin made "WHAT?" work and it was another sign of how the man could turn anything into gold. Absolutely. Austin is the best brawler ever. No one ever made me care about brawling a 10th of as much as he did.
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Mar 13, 2011 07:01
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Tyma posted:"I can cultivate her into something even I could want!"
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Aesop Poprock posted:What was this from? Jake the Snake promo. I'll see if I can find it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaDxp_NV34s Here you go. Lloyd Van Buren fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Mar 13, 2011 |
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Wow, I don't know how I'd never seen that before. I remember the slap but not the aftermath
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MrMondayNight posted:Jake the Snake promo. I'll see if I can find it. Holy loving poo poo. I never saw Tuesday in Texas, so I never saw that promo or the angle before it. The fact that he struck Miss Elizabeth makes him the most evil character I've ever seen.
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tzirean posted:So when his contract finished, he offered to job to Hogan every match they had if Hogan would put him on his Hulkamania Tour in Australia. Hogan, obviously, loved the idea of Flair jobbing to him every match they had, so he did so. Thus Hogan and Flair had a terrible, terrible series of matches all of which Flair lost (and all of which Flair loving bladed in, if I'm not mistaken). The idea of Flair telling Hogan he'll job to him in ever match just to be let on the tour is really 
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Sue Denim posted:This tour gets talked about a lot and I'm amazed that I never heard anything about it when it actually happened, I wonder how successful/unsuccessful it was. Last time I saw WWE live was in 2001 and they seemed to do really well and seem to still have no problem filling arenas. The Hulkamania tour I imagine would have been composed of stars that were at their peak before American wrestling was widely accessible in Australia. Wrestling only really started to catch on here during the dying days of the Attitude era and at the time (and still is) played exclusively on cable which was only an emerging product at the time, the vast majority of Australian's didn't have cable therefore couldn't access WWE or WCW. So I'd imagine the audience for the most part would have no idea who most of the performers eg the Nasty Boys were because they were stars before Australian's could watch them on TV or they are up and comers who had little exposure to Australian fans. It was in the fall of 2009. It was a huge flop. The best houses they did were half full buildings but in a few cities the buildings were 1/3 or 1/4 full. This is also after offering discounts and basically giving tickets away.
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Sue Denim posted:The Hulkamania tour I imagine would have been composed of stars that were at their peak before American wrestling was widely accessible in Australia. To be fair, the line-up actually a fairly recent selection of washed-up terrible wrestlers! Hulk Hogan Ric Flair Eugene The Godfather Shannon Moore The Nasty Boys Gangrel Brutus Beefcake Heidenreich Mr Kennedy Val Venis Rikishi Brian Christopher Orlando Jordan Matt Cross Rosey Lacey von Erich Umaga
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I forgot that Hogan killed Umaga.
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elf help book posted:I forgot that Hogan killed Umaga. Actually, Umagas opponent on the tour was Ken Anderson. Ken Anderson killed Eddie Guerrero and Umaga. This man, Ken Anderson, must be stopped. Right after this TNA run...
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Tyma posted:To be fair, the line-up actually a fairly recent selection of washed-up terrible wrestlers! I like how it's just a huge list of former WWE wrestlers and then suddenly Matt Cross. Also Lacey Von Erich.
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You hear of SMW being home of some "Great Southern Style Tag Wrestling". Question: What is "Southern Style" tag wrestling exactly, and how does it differ from other styles of tag wrestling.
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Tyma posted:To be fair, the line-up actually a fairly recent selection of washed-up terrible wrestlers! Australia's still a silly choice for touring, wrestling has such a small pool of fans here, I'm surprised the WWE manage to have successful tours here let alone a company with such a minimal to non-existent global presence.
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Sue Denim posted:This tour gets talked about a lot and I'm amazed that I never heard anything about it when it actually happened, I wonder how successful/unsuccessful it was. Last time I saw WWE live was in 2001 and they seemed to do really well and seem to still have no problem filling arenas. The Hulkamania tour I imagine would have been composed of stars that were at their peak before American wrestling was widely accessible in Australia. Wrestling only really started to catch on here during the dying days of the Attitude era and at the time (and still is) played exclusively on cable which was only an emerging product at the time, the vast majority of Australian's didn't have cable therefore couldn't access WWE or WCW. So I'd imagine the audience for the most part would have no idea who most of the performers eg the Nasty Boys were because they were stars before Australian's could watch them on TV or they are up and comers who had little exposure to Australian fans. The highlight of the tour was Hogan making the sports pages when he held a press conference for the tour and Flair came out and argued with him and they got into a brawl with Hogan blading. The back pages all had Hogan looking miserable with blood running down his face with all the stories going "We don't know if this is real or not, but it's on!" You could get into wrestling if you were hardcore and hired VHS tapes, or bought them. So in that regard you could get it and it wasn't like people don't know who Brett Hart and Hulk Hogan are. I had some friends who were really into it and we used to watch old tapes and play WWF Royal Rumble and such which is how I got my start when I was young (I also ran into a girl a year back who was a total Ultimate Warrior mark, i'm not sure how she watched it but you obviously could in the late 80s.) But you are drat right, you didn't see people wearing WWF merchandise until Austin 3:16 T-Shirts. I also remember on school sports trips people would pop on WWF tapes (From Wrestlemania, or Raw or whatever) and that is when it got real mainstream down here, so it's doubtful if people knew who they all were, apart from the Hulkster and Flair.
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The WCW tour of Australia near their end was a huge success that drew tons and tons of people. Hogan and Bischoff likely kept this in mind.
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Bald-n-Nekkid posted:I like how it's just a huge list of former WWE wrestlers and then suddenly Matt Cross. Also Lacey Von Erich. If you listen to the Matt Cross episode of Colt Cabana's podcast then he has some great stories about that tour. All these old WWE guys just assumed that he had been in WWE when they weren't with the company, so they would talk to him about all sorts of random WWE stuff and he would just try to play along.
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LordPants posted:The highlight of the tour was Hogan making the sports pages when he held a press conference for the tour and Flair came out and argued with him and they got into a brawl with Hogan blading. You're right you could get VHS tapes, but it's amazing the tour had such a strong response considering programming was cable exclusive and cable was fairly new and uncommon during that time. LividLiquid posted:The WCW tour of Australia near their end was a huge success that drew tons and tons of people. Hogan and Bischoff likely kept this in mind. Embarrassing Sue Denim fact: My eleven year old self had a pro-Russo fan sign
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I'm a lapsed wrestling fan, a child who grew up in the 90s watching WWF Superstars and such over here in the UK on a Saturday afternoon. I kinda watch things now and again and on YouTube but nothing too committed. It turns out me and a friend will be visiting NYC when Wrestlemania is on. Will there be a sports bar that you Americans are so infactuated with that will be showing the event? Would be fantastic to watch a PPV in such a friendly environment. Any help or advice would be appreciated.
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It appears there are no BLAST AREAS in NYC, but it may be different for WM. So as o
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Isn't there a story in Death of WCW about how when WCW did Nitro in Australia they destroyed their profit margins for the tour by having something in their deal with the arena about them paying for any unsold seats, but phrasing it in such a way that they ended up paying for all the seats that were taken up by the Nitro stage? Not sure if I'm remembering this correctly.
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Perry Normal posted:Isn't there a story in Death of WCW about how when WCW did Nitro in Australia they destroyed their profit margins for the tour by having something in their deal with the arena about them paying for any unsold seats, but phrasing it in such a way that they ended up paying for all the seats that were taken up by the Nitro stage? Not sure if I'm remembering this correctly. You are: The Death of WCW posted:There wasn't much to the Australian shows in terms of content, but, as expected, they all did tremendously well business-wise. In fact, every show drew at least 9,000 paid, and even Thunder completely sold out. Of course, since this was WCW, they actually managed to lose money on the tour. Apparently, the company had signed a contract with the Australian promoters saying they'd buy back any seats unused at the shows. Unfortunately, this included seats that could not be sold due to the TV production equipment. Because they ran four shows taped for TV, the faux pas resulted in WCW losing $400,000 on a tour that should otherwise have been profitable.
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Wasn't that also the trip that had Juvi get high as gently caress and run around a hotel naked and get into an altercation with a cop?
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That is a total misuse of the term faux pas. Only WCW could screw up a tour where people were so interested in their product.
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bobkatt013 posted:Wasn't that also the trip that had Juvi get high as gently caress and run around a hotel naked and get into an altercation with a cop? It was, indeed.
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tzirean posted:You are: Ah, thanks. I feel like a lazy poo poo not looking it up myself, but I have no idea where my copy of Death of WCW is.
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bobkatt013 posted:Wasn't that also the trip that had Juvi get high as gently caress and run around a hotel naked and get into an altercation with a cop? I would honestly be surprised if that's the only time that happened.
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This is probably a really stupid question but its one of those things that nag at me - When someone wins a title belt in a wrestling promotion are they given a copy of that belt by the promotion every time and is this a common practice for each new belt they win? Were there any shoots that addressed this and are there mini-ceremonies held backstage or anything when a guy is given a belt to keep? For some reason its a hilarious idea to me that The Rock went to highspots and had a bunch of replicas shipped to his house.
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Mr. Carlisle posted:This is probably a really stupid question but its one of those things that nag at me - When someone wins a title belt in a wrestling promotion are they given a copy of that belt by the promotion every time and is this a common practice for each new belt they win? Were there any shoots that addressed this and are there mini-ceremonies held backstage or anything when a guy is given a belt to keep? For what it's worth, in the 1980s NWA champions had to put a $25,000 deposit on the belt, that they'd get back once they gave back the belt.
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Magic_Ceiling_Fan posted:For what it's worth, in the 1980s NWA champions had to put a $25,000 deposit on the belt, that they'd get back once they gave back the belt. Unless they were Ric Flair, who they refused to pay back, so he took HIS belt to WWF and they realized,"Well that was loving stupid of us."
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Jerusalem posted:Unless they were Ric Flair, who they refused to pay back, so he took HIS belt to WWF and they realized,"Well that was loving stupid of us."
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