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PoptartsNinja posted:As if an immobile tank with a single operable machinegun would've kept the infantry fighting? As if they'd instantly let the hostages go and flee the field if the last tank died? You've got it set up so that they're killing hostages one by one, not prioritizing the known VIPs, and are ready to flee at the drop of a hat. I know it's supposed to be intentionally rigged in the favor of the players, but you can't apply logic to one half of it and then not the other. That said, if you've got some kind of backup plan to turn it into a Pyhrric victory even after the Cappellan infantry retreats, that would change my opinion a bit.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Let alone one a few hundred feet away from anything worth shooting at. There's mechs left! They're just on Cappella. :smugdassian:
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Mar 17, 2011 06:04
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This may be the first time I've seen the end stages of a battle and a Rifleman was in the best shape.
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Mar 17, 2011 06:19
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Zaodai posted:As if they'd instantly let the hostages go and flee the field if the last tank died? And Poptarts would care about the opinions of someone who supports child murder... why? I kid. I kid.
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Mar 17, 2011 06:21
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paragon1 posted:And Poptarts would care about the opinions of someone who supports child murder... why? He murdered those 23 toddlers in self-defense!
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Mar 17, 2011 06:26
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Zaodai posted:He murdered those 23 toddlers in self-defense! Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure all his friends and neighbors would testify to that fact in a Capellan court of law (it's probably mandatory). Jeez, you probably think re-editing movie prints is a bad idea, too. Though I have to say, you've got to be drat dedicated to murder to keep killing innocents off one at a time when your comrades (presumably the ones who just killed someone) just got shot in the loving face.
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Mar 17, 2011 06:30
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Zaodai posted:As if they'd instantly let the hostages go and flee the field if the last tank died? I'd explain myself, but why ruin the surprise?
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Mar 17, 2011 06:35
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PoptartsNinja posted:I'd explain myself, but why ruin the surprise? Ha, as always, I don't expect you to spoil it. I was just prefacing my remarks with the fact I'm basing it off incomplete information. =P
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Mar 17, 2011 06:37
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Rifleman would need 10s and 12s at range 5. Gotta love regular pilots in 3025. buuny, you should probably get to partial cover to hide the fact that your legs are looking a little skeletal just now.
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Mar 17, 2011 07:10
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Navajo Wolf is all that is  .That is all.
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Mar 17, 2011 09:50
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Maybe you'll get lucky and the 1st Regulan Hussars will hot-drop in and save the hostages. Out of all the FWLM Regiments, they are the one I respect.
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Mar 17, 2011 10:43
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PoptartsNinja posted:As if an immobile tank with a single operable machinegun would've kept the infantry fighting?
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Mar 17, 2011 13:36
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The Merry Marauder posted:buuny, you should probably get to partial cover to hide the fact that your legs are looking a little skeletal just now. Screw that! It's a nearly dead Blackjack that needs to die this turn. I say advance to 1304 and alpha strike that motherfucker. If we kill him this turn, what condition we're in next turn doesn't matter.
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Mar 17, 2011 13:42
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Tempest_56 posted:Screw that! It's a nearly dead Blackjack that needs to die this turn. I say advance to 1304 and alpha strike that motherfucker. If we kill him this turn, what condition we're in next turn doesn't matter. Of course, since you'll be shutting down next to a building that almost certainly contains enemy infantry, if bunny loses a leg, you'll have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.... You'll need a good deal of luck to kill it next turn anyway, since you're going to need 10s with the big stuff, and bunny needs, what, also 10s if he stands still OR runs to short?
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Mar 17, 2011 13:59
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Is there no way to simply kill the infantry squad that's executing hostages?
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^ Not in one turn, and not without collapsing the building on top of the hostage's heads.The Merry Marauder posted:Of course, since you'll be shutting down next to a building that almost certainly contains enemy infantry, if bunny loses a leg, you'll have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.... The only true victory is saving La Dama Muerta. 
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Mar 17, 2011 14:15
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Tempest_56 posted:^ Not in one turn, and not without collapsing the building on top of the hostage's heads. I agree. hole that Cappellan motherfucker.
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Mar 17, 2011 14:39
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Zeroisanumber posted:Is there no way to simply kill the infantry squad that's executing hostages? Yes. You can shoot at them directly, building or no; but (a percentage of) the damage they should take has to be dealt to the building instead so you have to either overkill them or try to kill the building. You'd really need a flamer or machine gun for that sort of work, though, since infantry already take greatly reduced damage from other weapons.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:26
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PoptartsNinja posted:Yes. You can shoot at them directly, building or no; but (a percentage of) the damage they should take has to be dealt to the building instead so you have to either overkill them or try to kill the building. You'd really need a flamer or machine gun for that sort of work, though, since infantry already take greatly reduced damage from other weapons. Wouldn't that kill the hostages too?
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Mar 17, 2011 16:28
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Only if you were targeting them, or destroyed the building.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:35
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La Dama Muerta is about to get it. Where's your Justice Foot now, Caballeros?
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/\/\/\/\/\ Looks like you better be ready to pay up, Hob! 50% chance the colonel's son lived, if half the hostages make it. Of course, if he didn't, I'll be paying you.../\/\/\/\/\ Wow, what a dramatic endgame! This has been a very, very characterful battle. Heroic sacrifice of Engine Joe, Justice Foot, Avenging Annie, poor Clueless's Hunchback, and the wolf blowing up the last operable mech like it ain't no thing. Of course, there's still time for a victory-shattering upset (There's always time for that), and named hostages still to save, but it looks like the heroes may have pulled this one off.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:40
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Dolash posted:/\/\/\/\/\ Looks like you better be ready to pay up, Hob! 50% chance the colonel's son lived, if half the hostages make it. Of course, if he didn't, I'll be paying you.../\/\/\/\/\ Yes, but (and this is important) if the Lady of Death gets it, the Capellans can start offing the hostages wholesale. It looks like we'll be seeing at least two more rounds of this game, so one to kill the Lady and second to kill half of the remaining hostages... It's still all hanging in the balance, and I'm enjoying every second of it.
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Mar 17, 2011 16:44
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If I understand the situation correctly, (and the Goblin is indeed abandoned) then once the Blackjack is down the infantry should retreat. Looking back at the previous posts, the Blackjack is down to 1 structure on his left arm, 2 armor on the right one, 10 armor on the center torso, and 7 armor on the head.
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Mar 17, 2011 17:57
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PoptartsNinja posted:I'd explain myself, but why ruin the surprise? Interesting. Were the 'Mech pilots also hostages, forced to fight the Caballeros under threat of harm to their families? That would be a rather nasty twist, what with the Caballeros unwittingly killing their own people to try and stop others from killing their own people.
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Mar 17, 2011 18:57
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Hob_Gadling posted:Yes, but (and this is important) if the Lady of Death gets it, the Capellans can start offing the hostages wholesale. It looks like we'll be seeing at least two more rounds of this game, so one to kill the Lady and second to kill half of the remaining hostages... She actually has been doing a pretty bad job of keeping hostages from being executed; I think that one was saved by her over 9 turns. Executing her won't cause the rest of them to be killed, but it will prevent a 1/6 chance of her stopping it. Fully expecting PTN's die to actually fall off the floor and somehow become a negative when she's up. Brandy Collins posted:Interesting. My mustachio twirles in delight and anticipation! Volmarias fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 17, 2011 |
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Mar 17, 2011 19:06
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Tempest_56 posted:The only true victory is saving La Dama Muerta. I like to think that all her Distracting Tirades so far have just been reciting her full name at maximum volume, and she's only now gotten to the "Camacho y Camacho" part, so up against the wall she goes. All Texicans look alike to the Space Chinese, you see.
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Volmarias posted:She actually has been doing a pretty bad job of keeping hostages from being executed; I think that one was saved by her over 9 turns. Executing her won't cause the rest of them to be killed, but it will prevent a 1/6 chance of her stopping it. In 12 rolls she came up with 3 saved hostages, 1 from the one 4+ roll, and 2 others from 6+ rolls, so 100% of her 4+ rolls succeeded, and 18% of her 6+ rolls succeeded. That's actually above average.
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Mar 17, 2011 19:25
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Without the dame our lovely death comandos can execute six at once. Only once though I think.
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Nevets posted:In 12 rolls she came up with 3 saved hostages, 1 from the one 4+ roll, and 2 others from 6+ rolls, so 100% of her 4+ rolls succeeded, and 18% of her 6+ rolls succeeded. That's actually above average. Does mock and berate still work if she's the one on the chopping block? If so, what does she have to lose?
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Nevets posted:In 12 rolls she came up with 3 saved hostages, 1 from the one 4+ roll, and 2 others from 6+ rolls, so 100% of her 4+ rolls succeeded, and 18% of her 6+ rolls succeeded. That's actually above average. Oh, huh. I thought she did worse than that, thanks for mentioning this. Anyway, point is, if she gets killed then it's 1 hostage per round no matter what. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 17, 2011 |
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Mar 17, 2011 20:12
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One thing is for sure and that this has been a real knock down drag out brawl of a battle. Both sides are beat to hell.
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Mar 17, 2011 21:05
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Trast posted:One thing is for sure and that this has been a real knock down drag out brawl of a battle. Both sides are beat to hell. A real white-knuckle scenario, for sure. Without the lucky hit on the Cataphract and the Foot of Justice on the Warhammer this would likely result in Bad End, I'd say.
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LeschNyhan posted:A real white-knuckle scenario, for sure. Without the lucky hit on the Cataphract and the Foot of Justice on the Warhammer this would likely result in Bad End, I'd say. It's already looking like a pretty god drat bittersweet ending if the Dama Muerta bites it, after all the Caballeros have done to save her and the remaining hostages. This is kind of depressing. Engine Joe's sacrifice turned out to be worth so little....
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Artificer posted:It's already looking like a pretty god drat bittersweet ending if the Dama Muerta bites it, after all the Caballeros have done to save her and the remaining hostages. This is kind of depressing. Here's hoping the loyal servants of our glorious Confederation can still pull this off!
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Artificer posted:It's already looking like a pretty god drat bittersweet ending if the Dama Muerta bites it, after all the Caballeros have done to save her and the remaining hostages. This is kind of depressing. If even one child is snatched from foul Confederation hands, all the blood spilled shall be worthwhile.
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LeschNyhan posted:A real white-knuckle scenario, for sure. Without the lucky hit on the Cataphract and the Foot of Justice on the Warhammer this would likely result in Bad End, I'd say. The Death Commandos have had their share of lucky shots as well. This battle has been fierce.
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KnightLight posted:The Death Commandos have had their share of lucky shots as well. This battle has been fierce. Don't forget the Commando's MVP: Inferno Rounds.
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I'm really enjoying how into character everyone seems to be getting. Screw tactics here at the end, lets rush them guns blazing.. Skinwalker's last attack was certainly something Begay would do. Is anyone else surprised that the Blackjack is the last mech/vehicle still moving?
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Krumbsthumbs posted:I'm really enjoying how into character everyone seems to be getting. Screw tactics here at the end, lets rush them guns blazing.. Skinwalker's last attack was certainly something Begay would do. Not really. It lost most of it's weapons early on so it became a low priority target.
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