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Well after Belkar's most recent speech I think it's pretty much a sure thing that he dies in 5-10 strips. With Belkar dies my interest in this webcomic.
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Mar 15, 2011 16:32
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Toussaint Louverture posted:Well after Belkar's most recent speech I think it's pretty much a sure thing that he dies in 5-10 strips.
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Mar 15, 2011 16:54
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I'm hoping that this whole Belkar dying thing is one of those dramatic "gently caress fate" moments where the protagonist deliberately breaks a prophesy. It makes some sense, Roy is just the sort of character to have a dramatic rebellion against fate. I don't see any reason for Roy to know the prophesy if he isn't going to buck it. But this is wishful thinking because Belkar is the only character who I never get tired of.
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Mar 15, 2011 17:09
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It'll probably seem that way, actually. Belkar will narrowly miss death and then something dumb will happen and he'll just die without any fanfare.
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Mar 15, 2011 17:32
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That sounds more like Homestuck, in OotS everybody gets an important dying scene.
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Mar 15, 2011 17:53
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An Order of the Scribble member died to seal in the Snarl the first time, an Order of the Stick member has to die in battle against it too. That's Belkar.
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Mar 15, 2011 17:53
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CapnAndy posted:An Order of the Scribble member died to seal in the Snarl the first time, an Order of the Stick member has to die in battle against it too. That's Belkar. I always saw Durkon as more likely for that role (leading to his posthumous homecoming). Of course, thinking that's more likely probably makes it less likely and who the hell knows. 
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Mar 15, 2011 21:09
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Belkar: more likely to accept a resurrection or more likely to gleefully jump headfirst into the Blood War?
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Mar 15, 2011 21:43
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I can see him gunning straight for the blood war. There might still be a possibility for vampirism, looking less likely because of the public nature of arena combat. One thing I didn't really understand about the afterlife and planeshifting and stuff is how death actually works. For instance, a group of evil adventurers bumped into Roy on the Celestial Mountain in the outer planes. Gods can come to the material plane, and demons like Sabine can travel from what I guess is Baator or the Abyss. Powerful demons can make deals with V across the planes and attach the souls of dead wizards to her to increase her power. From what I understand, once someone dies their soul usually goes to the outer planes to one of the 12 afterlife destinations (based on their alignment) What's to stop a powerful mage from just plane shifting back to the material world if they die? Or to have a group plane shift over and pull them out of hell? Also, one thing that was sort of unclear about planescape torment - in the endgame the Nameless One is so powerful that he's like a baby god - and then merges with his mortality which is also stupidly powerful. When you wake up on that battlefield and join the blood war you've already defeated the best the Hells have to offer - couldn't he just fight his way back to one of those portals to Sigil and be all like 'hey guys, just had to make a detour there'. I guess this does happen in Baldurs Gate with Saverok though, so maybe it's a uncommon but possible thing.
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Mar 16, 2011 21:21
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Goffer posted:From what I understand, once someone dies their soul usually goes to the outer planes to one of the 12 afterlife destinations (based on their alignment) What's to stop a powerful mage from just plane shifting back to the material world if they die? Or to have a group plane shift over and pull them out of hell? This isn't how OotS works from what we've seen, but in the Planescape cosmology, once you die, your soul goes to the planes without your mortal memories, it's what happens after you're done with the material world and so there's no need for them anymore. (Your memories hang around on the Astral for a while before they just fade away, that's who you speak with from things like Speak With Dead.) That includes class levels and the like. The Nameless One was a special case, assuming he even did keep his memories that one final time. (There's also the fact that if a petitioner dies again, either they partially merge with their plane if they happen to be on it, though not as successfully as if it happened naturally, or they just cease to exist entirely if they're outside it. Because of that, most petitioners really prefer not to leave their home plane just to avoid the risk of total nonexistence.) Beyond that, though, the reason that doesn't happen is because those people don't necessarily want to be rescued. For those that weren't tricked or manipulated into one of the Lower Planes, but rather acted in that manner out of choice, it's exactly where they want to be. All those powerful demon lords on the Abyss or princes of Baator were mortal at one point, after all, and any soul that gets to the Hells could reach that level eventually if they were good enough and lucky enough. It's not the endless torture that a lot of people imagine; it's hard, but it's not just a place where anyone that gets sent there gets burned for eternity or the like. Idran fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 16, 2011 |
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Mar 16, 2011 21:30
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Pope Guilty posted:Belkar: more likely to accept a resurrection or more likely to gleefully jump headfirst into the Blood War? Is there still a Blood War? I only have a tertiary knowledge of the workings of 4th Edition but didn't someone magically wave a wand and suddenly there isn't one anymore? Because you know, don't need good ideas.
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Mar 17, 2011 06:27
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Nilbop posted:Is there still a Blood War? I only have a tertiary knowledge of the workings of 4th Edition but didn't someone magically wave a wand and suddenly there isn't one anymore? 4e threw out a lot of baked in metaplot, and then added some new baked in metaplot. One of the pieces to go was the Blood War (although I think it is back in the Manual of the Planes). Its moot anyhow since Oots in is a homebrew 3.5/4e hybrid according to Rich. On a related note, Roy has been more like a 4e fighter from day one, so thats cool.
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Mar 17, 2011 08:01
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Pope Guilty posted:Belkar: more likely to accept a resurrection or more likely to gleefully jump headfirst into the Blood War? We know he's not getting straight-up resurrected since the prophecy was 'he will draw his last breath ever'. I'm still banking on an undead Belkar. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Mar 17, 2011 |
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Mar 17, 2011 10:17
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MikeJF posted:We know he's not getting straight-up resurrected since the prophecy was 'he will draw his last breath ever'. Maybe he just gets that Ioun Stone that keeps you from needing to breathe, gives a middle finger to prophecy, and moves on like normal. Then, six months from now, Burlew accidentally forgets to draw the stone in for one panel in the middle of a comic and the internet freaks out trying to figure out what it all means and has Belkar somehow beaten the prophecy another way or is he undead or is he actually dead like Bruce Willis from The Sixth Sense and doesn't know it yet and will only disappear from our world when the Snarl is defeated and he realizes what's happened to him and THIS HAS TO BE WHAT HAPPENED THERE'S NO OTHER EXPLANATION FOR THE MISSING STONE!  By the time Burlew reposts a corrected comic, this explanation will already be canon for a portion of the OotS forums.
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Mar 17, 2011 21:20
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Nilbop posted:Is there still a Blood War? I only have a tertiary knowledge of the workings of 4th Edition but didn't someone magically wave a wand and suddenly there isn't one anymore? Not quite, according to the Manual of the Planes. Basically, it's been raging on and off and there's currently a ceasefire for the past few centuries, with both sides preparing for the other to make a move. It doesn't say why there's currently a standoff. My personal fanon theory is something along the lines of the Nameless One ended the war himself by somehow tangling the logistics lines of the connections between Avernus and the Abyss, so neither side can move en masse without taking him down.
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Mar 18, 2011 23:20
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A Big Dark Yak posted:Maybe he just gets that Ioun Stone that keeps you from needing to breathe, gives a middle finger to prophecy, and moves on like normal. Actually, I kind of like what Toussaint Louverture posted, about Belkar going "gently caress prophecy, I'm going to live". For some reason I'm getting this "would make a neat plot twist for a campaign" idea that the ability to defy the will of the gods is what makes it possible to stop the Snarl.
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Mar 19, 2011 08:37
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Technogeek posted:Actually, I kind of like what Toussaint Louverture posted, about Belkar going "gently caress prophecy, I'm going to live". For some reason I'm getting this "would make a neat plot twist for a campaign" idea that the ability to defy the will of the gods is what makes it possible to stop the Snarl. Actually, the problem with the Snarl is that it's something that lies outside deific foresight, and is incredibly, intrinsically violent to everything it meets, isn't it? So wouldn't that kind of exacerbate the problem, not fix it?
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Mar 19, 2011 09:11
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He could be eaten by the snarl, and go on living in the world on the other side I suppose. Then he could show up as a total badass in the final act when the other members cross over.
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Mar 19, 2011 14:10
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Cool, thanks for the explainations on the whole death thing, makes it a lot clearer. Vampire seems the most likely of the undead, but would it be possible he could be raised as a wraith/ghost/death knight and maintain his character? Ala http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0465.html maybe.
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Mar 19, 2011 15:21
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A Big Dark Yak posted:I always saw Durkon as more likely for that role (leading to his posthumous homecoming). Of course, thinking that's more likely probably makes it less likely and who the hell knows. I always took that as Durkon going to be zombified by Xykon and used to attack the dwarven lands when he goes for the final gate
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Mar 19, 2011 16:05
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ZeeToo posted:Actually, the problem with the Snarl is that it's something that lies outside deific foresight, and is incredibly, intrinsically violent to everything it meets, isn't it? I'm not sure about the "outside deific foresight" bit, but the other half is certainly true. In all honesty, I was thinking more about the "born of deific frustration and hostility" description when that idea occurred to me. If the Snarl is the kind of being that would end up with divine ranks when statted out, then my idea could still fit.
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Mar 19, 2011 20:14
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Do we know that its violent to everything, though? Didn't V's bird see that planet in it, or whatever?
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Mar 20, 2011 21:39
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The Snarl is pure Chaos, it literally can't make a plan. It just strikes out because it was born of discord. There's also the glaringly obvious piece of foreshadowing here: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0274.html The Snarl does bonus damage to deities. Properly levelled mortals have a better chance.
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Mar 21, 2011 00:32
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Mar 21, 2011 12:37
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Aww, poor Gannji and Enor.
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Mar 21, 2011 13:05
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drat, I wish we could've seen the fight between Offpanelo and Notseenicus.
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Mar 21, 2011 18:19
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Those aren't seedings, they're the order in which battles are fought 
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Mar 21, 2011 18:25
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Nipponophile posted:drat, I wish we could've seen the fight between Offpanelo and Notseenicus. Buy the book
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Mar 21, 2011 18:32
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e:fb Nothing to see here
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Mar 21, 2011 19:30
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LightWarden posted:New strip Can you please rehost?
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Mar 21, 2011 20:08
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TampaTango posted:Can you please rehost? 
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Mar 21, 2011 20:37
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I don't know why you guys are even that sure there IS a Snarl. We've no proof besides stories that the thing even exists. What the bird saw through the gate has me pretty convinced the snarl never existed.
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Mar 21, 2011 21:18
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So is the champion Thog?
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Mar 21, 2011 21:24
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God that'd be nice. Also be a nice way to bring Nale into the story and, let's face it, that's going to happen.
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Mar 21, 2011 21:31
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Affi posted:So is the champion Thog?
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Mar 21, 2011 21:36
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Affi posted:So is the champion Thog? Unlikely. I don't think it's been thirty seven weeks since we last saw him.
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Mar 21, 2011 22:28
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Check out the other names on that ranking list.
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Mar 21, 2011 23:20
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Have we seen Thog since Azure city was overrun? With all the boating/rebellion/thieves guild/searching in the desert stuff it could have been half a year at least. Also it looks like Belkar won't be dying in the Arena unless they have an inpromptu free-for-all or riot, he's not scheduled to fight until next week. 
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So much foreshadowing, I've lost track of all of it! I had forgotten that Roy was worried about facing the champ when he first arrived. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0736.html
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