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Spencerb posted:I'm the pilot of the Wolfhound. Becoming a phantom mech able player would be good right about now.
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Keru posted:Becoming a phantom mech able player would be good right about now. Really really hope that you're an orphan born of turkey-baster lostech. That or hope you lose a leg before your face and surrender. If you manage to make a good showing you might have a chance.
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Mar 27, 2011 14:49
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Spencerb posted:I'm the pilot of the Wolfhound. With my obviously vast, yet subtle, command of knowledge regarding your tactical situation, I recommend you finding a nest/hive/production plant/summoning circle of whatever the hell these demon REDACTED are, train/subvert/bargain away your soul for command of them, and then proceed to unleash a fell apocalypse upon your foes. Also, shoot everyone in the face for good measure, since there may or may not still be a possibility you die despite your best/most dishonorable efforts
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Mar 27, 2011 15:53
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Tactical Time Proposed General Rule: Nobody interferes with a one on one duel unless the player in the duel explicitly asks. It's their call, not ours if they want us to come and help out. Warlocke, Angry_Ed, if you want backup now'd be a good time to tell us so we can combine. If you think you can at least drag this fight out and spend time without pissing the clanners off, let's stick to that. Rommel: Happily, you have no honor. Suggest you move to 1717 and unleash that AC/20 onto the Nova. 1717 because you still have line of sight against B2, and are still in your short range for the AC/20, but the rise to your west may make them move somewhere they'd rather not if they want to get a good shot on you. Alternately, you can evade and hope to not be noticed before you get a better shot on another mech in a few rounds. Your TH will not be good against the Nova. It is not likely to be very good against anyone coming, either, but it may be a little better. Banshee/Cyclops: Keep to 3-6 hexes of the enemy, try to keep moving at least 3 hexes a turn, and stay in cover if you possibly can. Good luck. Wolfhound: If we're going to break zellbrigen, use that mobility of yours to try to get behind clan mechs. If not... fuckin hide, dude. Make them chase your rear end as long as possible. It's very likely you'll be the last survivor on our side. Make them work for it. Me: I am torn between staying in my little hidey hole and continuing to draw pretty fire pictures up north, or bum rushing forward towards the woods I set on fire.  If Warlocke wants my support, I can get an 8 to-hit with my LRM-15 and AC/5, and a 10 to-hit with my large and 2 medium lasers. I might get lucky. If not, I might start a bum rush for the burning woods and see if I can annoy Clanners into fumbling around in a forest fire for my assault rear end.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:10
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Wolfhound suggestion: Challenge Clanners to a race.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:15
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Mukaikubo posted:Rommel: Happily, you have no honor. Suggest you move to 1717 and unleash that AC/20 onto the Nova. Meaning the Rommel can shank people and NOT cause a free-for-all murderfest because of the way Clanners see vehicles to start with?
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Mar 27, 2011 16:29
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PoptartsNinja posted:B1 Battle Cobra fires 2 Large Pulse Lasers at Banshee Shouldn't this force a piloting check on the Banshee? I don't want to be a rules lawyer, but I have a feeling we're gonna see a metric fuckton of 20+ damage turns once things get to short range.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:29
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the yeti posted:Meaning the Rommel can shank people and NOT cause a free-for-all murderfest because of the way Clanners see vehicles to start with? ...probably. Maybe. Hopefully. 
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Mar 27, 2011 16:32
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the yeti posted:Meaning the Rommel can shank people and NOT cause a free-for-all murderfest because of the way Clanners see vehicles to start with? Technically, yes. However, should the mech in question survive it will be free and clear to open up on the Rommel with its full weapons loadout without losing honor. In short, the Rommel should only do this if it wishes to die quickly and painfully.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:36
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On the subject of whether or not the Rommel would break Zellbrigen, keep in mind we are fighting Steel Vipers and Steel Vipers are dicks. Take for example the Battle Cobra. This is an honor duel and the prick is hiding in a forest.  Course I just realized we don't technically know what does and doesn't break Zellbrigen. That said I'm just glad my initial exchange with the Battle Cobra was pretty even, and I still feel confident that, barring any more hits like that to my Right Torso, I should be able to win this fight.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:45
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landcollector posted:Technically, yes. However, should the mech in question survive it will be free and clear to open up on the Rommel with its full weapons loadout without losing honor. According to PTN, they're free and clear to open up on the Rommel with its full weapons loadout without losing honor no matter what it does, which is why that tactic was thought up in the first place.
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Mar 27, 2011 16:48
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landcollector posted:Technically, yes. However, should the mech in question survive it will be free and clear to open up on the Rommel with its full weapons loadout without losing honor. In short, the Rommel should only do this if it wishes to die quickly and painfully. They'll be doing that anyway. The Rommel doesn't even count towards victory; best that it make itself as useful as possible.
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Mar 27, 2011 17:12
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:They'll be doing that anyway. The Rommel doesn't even count towards victory; best that it make itself as useful as possible. Hmm. I see. Oh well, make the Clanners earn this area with blood and metal. 
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Mar 27, 2011 17:23
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Folks, now you see just why people familiar with the game and friendly to the players are freaking out. Think of this as the difference between 2011 America and 1939 Japan. Frankly, I think we're already seeing a good part of what will adjust the mission to be doable, if not remotely easy: the clanners being arrogant dicks and deliberately handicapping themselves. The Battle Cobra is going up against the least favorable IS mech. The Nova's only using one arm. I wouldn't be surprised if the heavies bid away even more. And, of course, they've been advancing one at a time.
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Mar 27, 2011 17:25
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The Merry Marauder posted:OK, so what kind of kitbashed Black Hawk/Nova is this that walks and jumps 6? Some kind of special Mechwarrior ability? Little confused. One that was designed from the get-go with Ferro Fiberous armor. landcollector posted:Technically, yes. However, should the mech in question survive it will be free and clear to open up on the Rommel with its full weapons loadout without losing honor. They can all do that anyway, since tanks are inherently Dezgra. Mary Annette posted:Shouldn't this force a piloting check on the Banshee? I don't want to be a rules lawyer, but I have a feeling we're gonna see a metric fuckton of 20+ damage turns once things get to short range. Yes, it should've, but I hosed up (and didn't catch it myself by the time the update is posted), I'm probably not going to go back and change it unless it's something huge. A single piloting check isn't huge. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Mar 27, 2011 |
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Mar 27, 2011 17:49
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PoptartsNinja posted:Yes, it should've, but I hosed up (and didn't catch it myself by the time the update is posted), I'm probably not going to go back and change it unless it's something huge. A single piloting check isn't huge. That's cool. It's good to be chill and cool about gam- PoptartsNinja posted:6/9/6 Nova with Ferro-Fibrous 
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Mar 27, 2011 18:49
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PoptartsNinja posted:One that was designed from the get-go with Ferro Fiberous armor. You aren't using the "Mark 1 Omnis" that someone claimed they found in an old out-of-print magazine are you?
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Mar 27, 2011 19:06
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Carbolic posted:You aren't using the "Mark 1 Omnis" that someone claimed they found in an old out-of-print magazine are you? Not exactly, no.
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Mar 27, 2011 19:55
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I'm going to win my bet and you will all be wiped out by turn 15 
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Mar 27, 2011 20:33
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PoptartsNinja posted:One that was designed from the get-go with Ferro Fiberous armor. And Endo-Steel. I wondered how you made the criticals fit until I noticed you dropped a DHS. 6/9/6 with an extra ton for ECM. Elegant. If you improved the construction materials for the Loki as well, it'll change from 'quite bad' to 'pretty dangerous'. drat.
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Mar 27, 2011 20:58
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The Merry Marauder posted:And Endo-Steel. I wondered how you made the criticals fit until I noticed you dropped a DHS. 6/9/6 with an extra ton for ECM. Elegant. I have to wonder if PTN shrank the toumans a bit to account for the added resource cost of fancier equipment, assuming he revised most or all of the Clans' Omnis in this way.
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Mar 27, 2011 21:24
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Mukaikubo posted:
I still want to drag these honor duels out because frankly the longer we keep the clans from focusing their full firepower on us the better it is for us. That said I don't think I want to close with the Battle Cobra just yet necessarily, so would it be a good idea to walk backwards while firing in an effort to goad the Cobra's pilot into leaving the forest and coming after me? For that matter, does walking backwards incur pilot checks?
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Mar 27, 2011 21:36
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I think walking backwards incurs a pilot check if you change elevation while you do it (IE up or down a slope) but not if you're on flat ground.
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Mar 27, 2011 21:41
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But wouldn't the concrete force the check?
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Mar 27, 2011 21:43
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Slaan posted:But wouldn't the concrete force the check? you can't run backwards, and you only roll if you run and turn on pavement
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Mar 27, 2011 21:51
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Oh gently caress me I had no idea how overwhelmingly superior clan mechs are compared to inner sphere ones. I spent basically all the time where you guys who actually know about this stuff were talking about how hosed we were when we fight them and I was thinking "Oh it can't be that bad surely." I am now more than a little concerned for what's going to happen when we get far enough down the roster that I get a go.
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Mar 27, 2011 21:58
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Affi posted:I'm going to win my bet and you will all be wiped out by turn 15 I just have to hope the bidding gets even more ridiculous and eventually the clan mechs start walking on their hand or putting on blindfolds. Still would probably end up to close for comfort.
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ActionZero posted:I am now more than a little concerned for what's going to happen when we get far enough down the roster that I get a go. Well, in the other timeline the IS kills enough Clanners through attrition (and abuse of the Clan code of honor) that they cobbel together some Clantech (and nearly-clan-tech) of their own, so you may end up far enough down the line that the parity gets better rather than worse. Or you might get to play as the ComGuard, with the toys they have stashed away for a rainy day.
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Mar 27, 2011 22:15
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ActionZero posted:Oh gently caress me I had no idea how overwhelmingly superior clan mechs are compared to inner sphere ones. I spent basically all the time where you guys who actually know about this stuff were talking about how hosed we were when we fight them and I was thinking "Oh it can't be that bad surely." Here's better - the Clans have not yet pulled out the truly unfair poo poo. This is them holding back.
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Mar 27, 2011 22:17
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Mukaikubo posted:Rommel: Happily, you have no honor. Suggest you move to 1717 and unleash that AC/20 onto the Nova. 1717 because you still have line of sight against B2, and are still in your short range for the AC/20, but the rise to your west may make them move somewhere they'd rather not if they want to get a good shot on you. Alternately, you can evade and hope to not be noticed before you get a better shot on another mech in a few rounds. Your TH will not be good against the Nova. It is not likely to be very good against anyone coming, either, but it may be a little better. I'm already on this. As I said in the PM, what kind of self-respecting sergeant lets his CO run off and get himself killed? quote:I'm the pilot of the Wolfhound. Run every turn, don't shoot unless it shoots first.
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Mar 27, 2011 22:27
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Tempest_56 posted:Here's better - the Clans have not yet pulled out the truly unfair poo poo. This is them holding back. Define "truly unfair poo poo."
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Mar 27, 2011 23:23
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Trast posted:Define "truly unfair poo poo." Obviously, they're talking about the REDACTED. Truly, truly unfair poo poo.
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Mar 27, 2011 23:28
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Trast posted:Define "truly unfair poo poo." Redacted
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Mar 27, 2011 23:29
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Trast posted:Define "truly unfair poo poo." Using Inner Sphere tactics (like focused fire) and using all their 'mech's weapons at once.
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Mar 27, 2011 23:31
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Orbital WarShip bombardment.
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Mar 27, 2011 23:37
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They've got all those shitbits in their conventions banning orbital bombardment. Even though Rods from God are THE BEST weapon for influencing ground-based warfare once space supremacy has been achieved.
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Mar 27, 2011 23:40
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People keep going on and on and on about the bloody REDACTED. I'm not scared of a blacked-out word. Give me a name that I can look up, or just get around to showing them off already. I realize they haven't been mentioned by name before now to build up suspense for when they're finally revealed, but at this point, people going REDACTED over and over again is having the opposite effect, at least for me. In other words, as far as these so-called REDACTED are concerned, now's the time to put up or shut up. 
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Mar 27, 2011 23:46
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What combat units do Clans use that aren't mechs, tanks, fighters or warships?
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I'm pretty sure I know what "redacted" are thanks to looking at an old novel cover and going "really? Boy, that sure is a dumb-looking element of the cover." So this is a case where you're pretty much best off waiting to see how badly [REDACTED] shreds in actual play rather than looking it up.
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ZeeToo posted:I'm pretty sure I know what "redacted" are thanks to looking at an old novel cover and going "really? Boy, that sure is a dumb-looking element of the cover."
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