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This may be old news to some, but I didn't know about it until I read an article on jobs that can be done by robots. Apparently, sports writing is one of them! For instance, the Big Ten Network uses a company called Narrative Science Inc. for it's baseball and softball coverage, since it's cheaper than having beat reporters at every game. You just input the box score, and it spits out stuff like this: http://www.bigtennetwork.com/dpp/schools/purdue/tennessee-tech-defeats-purdue%2C-8-3quote:A good effort by Tyler Spillner wasn't enough to guide Purdue past Tennessee Tech. The Golden Eagles captured an 8-3 win at Bush Stadium on Saturday. I'm not sure I'd feel I got my money's worth from my computer sportswriter, but then, I don't know how much it costs.
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That reads like the "game stories" in baseball mogul
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# ? Mar 22, 2011 22:54 |
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zakharov posted:That reads like the "game stories" in baseball mogul It probably uses the same software.
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In which Murray Chass uses gossip to paint Stan Musial as a racist: Go gently caress yourself, Murray Chass. (better discussion here (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/murray_chass_on_baseball_musial_no_man_of_honor_mr._president/P100/); apparently this is old news and was already addressed. Chass is either late to the party or is cherry picking accounts in order to be a dick.) edit: credit to vivaelbirdos; not like I read Murray Chass' blog on a regular basis FairGame fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Mar 25, 2011 |
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FairGame posted:In which Murray Chass uses gossip to paint Stan Musial as a racist: I am really enjoying some of the comments on this page in which people attempt to come up with new Murray Chass blog headlines: SANDY KOUFAX- YOU COULD HAVE PITCHED ON YOM KIPPUR IF YOU HADN'T SINNED SO MUCH MARGE SCHOTT WAS GOOD IN THE BEGINNING, BUT SHE DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH KIRK GIBSON- THE SLOWEST HOME RUN TROT I'VE EVER SEEN
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OrangeKing posted:This may be old news to some, but I didn't know about it until I read an article on jobs that can be done by robots. Apparently, sports writing is one of them! For instance, the Big Ten Network uses a company called Narrative Science Inc. for it's baseball and softball coverage, since it's cheaper than having beat reporters at every game. You just input the box score, and it spits out stuff like this: http://www.bigtennetwork.com/dpp/schools/purdue/tennessee-tech-defeats-purdue%2C-8-3 I can see how they might want to use that for low priority games because even paying someone say 3 hours to watch a game, and then say 30-60 minutes to write and edit a short column like that is going to cost at least $250. Multiply that by the hundreds of games like that and it makes sense. That computer summary is totally worthless though, it's just a straight up reading of the box score, for obvious reasons.
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chutwig posted:I am really enjoying some of the comments on this page in which people attempt to come up with new Murray Chass blog headlines: This is great Chass- HIDEKI MATSUI'S NICKNAME DESTROYS CITIES, KILLS THOUSANDS
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Meltathon posted:I can see how they might want to use that for low priority games because even paying someone say 3 hours to watch a game, and then say 30-60 minutes to write and edit a short column like that is going to cost at least $250. Multiply that by the hundreds of games like that and it makes sense. That computer summary is totally worthless though, it's just a straight up reading of the box score, for obvious reasons. wait really, I got paid about a hundred bucks a go to write as a stringer for a Serious Business newspaper. there aren't that many additional costs associated with the process.
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The broken bones posted:This is great Fantastic. Chass: KEELER HIT IT WHERE THEY WERE Chass: REMEMBER WHEN MARVIN MILLER TOLD ME TOM VERDUCCI DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM FOR THE HALL OF FAME, SO I PUBLISHED THAT WITHOUT ASKING VERDUCCI, ONLY IT TURNED OUT THAT VERDUCCI DID VOTE FOR MILLER FOR THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T Badfinger fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Mar 25, 2011 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:wait really, I got paid about a hundred bucks a go to write as a stringer for a Serious Business newspaper. Well, I was just guessing. I figured 4 hours of work for a reporter to get to and watch the game, then the small amount of time to publish it on the web would run about $250. Even still, if it costs $100 a game, I can't see how using a computer generated story wouldn't save tens of thousands of dollars over the long run.
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Meltathon posted:Well, I was just guessing. I figured 4 hours of work for a reporter to get to and watch the game, then the small amount of time to publish it on the web would run about $250. Even still, if it costs $100 a game, I can't see how using a computer generated story wouldn't save tens of thousands of dollars over the long run. Part of the appeal might be for sites that just want content quickly. You can throw up the computer-generated jargon immediately as a placeholder while waiting for the AP to send a complete game story over the wire or for your stringer to file his work. That's probably a little bit of a stretch, though.
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# ? Mar 25, 2011 16:48 |
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Posnanski on Chass. It's not the best thing to come out of Joe's blog, but it's always nice when he actually gets pissed at someone since it seems incredibly rare. The last line seems to fit the majority of things we talk about in this thread.Pos posted:And it's a shame that tragically unhappy people don't know when they've run out of useful words.
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chutwig posted:SANDY KOUFAX- YOU COULD HAVE PITCHED ON YOM KIPPUR IF YOU HADN'T SINNED SO MUCH These are excellent. Dying at the Marge Schott one.
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# ? Mar 26, 2011 21:45 |
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Rick Reilly's most recent written diarrhea is basically a hit piece on Jimmer Fredette for absolutely no reason other than that there's a chance his game doesn't translate to the NBA. It's like he tried this on Bleacher Report under an assumed name before bringing it to ESPN.
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# ? Mar 27, 2011 21:56 |
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Reilly used to write funny, interesting, and sometimes poignant columns. I don't know why he lost his mind after moving to ESPN.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Rick Reilly's most recent written diarrhea is basically a hit piece on Jimmer Fredette for absolutely no reason other than that there's a chance his game doesn't translate to the NBA. It's like he tried this on Bleacher Report under an assumed name before bringing it to ESPN. quote:NEW ORLEANS -- So that's the end of Jimmermania. Saw it for myself. Caught the closing act. Not impressed. Thanks Rick I'm going to have to actively root for Jimmer Fredette to become an NBA All-Star thanks to you. And to think he gets paid five million dollars per year to crap out pieces like this.
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# ? Mar 27, 2011 22:37 |
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My God, it even contains my favorite bad sportswriting line: "sure, [player] scored a ton of points but it took him [arbitrary number] to do it!!"
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zakharov posted:Reilly used to write funny, interesting, and sometimes poignant columns. I don't know why he lost his mind after moving to ESPN. Once and awhile I guess, but he was pretty bad even before that. Most of his articles fell into two categories. They were either something filled with dumb hack jokes about how darn ~WACKY~ sports were or something about someone overcoming some sort of disability to play sports (which were occasionally pretty touching, but it was also more or less the same article over and over). Also he was really annoying and holier than thou about steroids. I CHALLENGE THEE posted:My God, it even contains my favorite bad sportswriting line: "sure, [player] scored a ton of points but it took him [arbitrary number] to do it!!" That's kind of a relevant point in regards to that particular game, because he was really inefficient (although he kind of has to be because the rest of the team is bad). I'm willing to bet a significant sum of money that that was the only BYU game Riley watched all year though. MourningView fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Mar 27, 2011 |
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MorningView posted:Once and awhile I guess, but he was pretty bad even before that. Most of his articles fell into two categories. They were either something filled with dumb hack jokes about how darn ~WACKY~ sports were or something about someone overcoming some sort of disability to play sports (which were occasionally pretty touching, but it was also more or less the same article over and over). Also he was really annoying and holier than thou about steroids. My mom absolutely loved the back page Reilly columns because she would just fall head over heels for all of the sappy crap he would go on and on about. It seems like his demographic is people who have no clue about sports
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zakharov posted:Reilly used to write funny, interesting, and sometimes poignant columns. I don't know why he lost his mind after moving to ESPN. Really? Maybe it's just because the only Reilly I've ever read is from his last few years at the back of SI, but I can't imagine that guy writing anything that isn't a festival of hacky bullshit on one of three topics: 1. Inspirational story about someone using sports to Overcome Adversity 2. A lazy Shame on You story about a universally reviled sports personality or, better yet, a little league coach who has exhibited Bad Sportsmanship 3. A story about how awesome it is to be Rick Reilly All three of these are filled with bad writing, horrible jokes, moronic similes, really dated pop culture references, and, of course, teeth. I'd really appreciate it if someone could link something that Reilly has ever written that won't make me throw up my hands and start losing the ability to properly Capitalize Words in a Sentence.
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R.D. Mangles posted:Really? I intended to find something worthwhile he wrote, but instead I found this (from 12 damned years ago): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/lifeofreilly/1999/0315/
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Rick Reilly used to write really long feature pieces for Sports Illustrated that won him most of his Sportswriter of the Year awards, and then somewhere along the way he decided to use his reputation to give half a poo poo for most of his columns, recycle the rest, and here we are in 2011 and he's being paid five million dollars a year by ESPN to write columns where he claims that the possible NCAA player of the year could get beat down by guys in the YMCA and makes Mormon jokes. Actually I kind of envy him. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 27, 2011 |
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Grittybeard posted:I intended to find something worthwhile he wrote, but instead I found this (from 12 damned years ago): http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/lifeofreilly/1999/0315/ I've posted a few of them in this thread, check back a few pages. Reilly doesn't make me feel anything when he's so obviously mailing in a column but the Jimmer column is the first one that has made me legitimately angry. ne: This JV Baseball League column is stupid, but at least it makes a point.
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# ? Mar 27, 2011 23:14 |
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Reilly gets paid 5 mil a year? AUGGGHHHHHHHHHH
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# ? Mar 28, 2011 00:22 |
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Fredette about it!!!!!
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# ? Mar 28, 2011 01:55 |
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The sports editor at a Fort Wayne newspaper tweeted an IU basketball verbal commit suggesting that he decommit and go to Butler http://twitter.com/Tom101010/status/51810584324341760 Tom Davis of the Fort-Wayne News-Sentinel posted:@cwhartman27 Follow your mom's footsteps and play for the best mbb program in the state! Go 'Dawgs! Very professional.
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Fisticuffs posted:The sports editor at a Fort Wayne newspaper tweeted an IU basketball verbal commit suggesting that he decommit and go to Butler This only pisses you off because you're an Indiana fan. But it's not terribly professional and the writer should be disciplined by his paper.
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:This only pisses you off because you're an Indiana fan. I'm not pissed off? The recruit in question(Collin Hartman) tweeted that he was and will remain a Hoosier. I don't worry that this douchey douche will have any effect on the recruitment of a 2013 player nor do I feel as if losing out on Hartman at this point(well before anyone from his class can sign) would be a big deal. I just think it's really unprofessional. That's why it's here. If I thought anything relevant to Indiana basketball would happen as a result it would be in N/V.
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Is the dude's twitter advertised or sponsored in an official capacity by his employer?
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A drat FOG posted:Is the dude's twitter advertised or sponsored in an official capacity by his employer? It's not, but it does note that he is the sports editor of the paper he works at. From an ethical standpoint, I don't see how it matters. Reporters aren't supposed to make the news, on the clock or off the clock. Assume he wasn't at work, or on twitter. Assume he ran into CH, convinced he to decommit and verbal for Butler. Then he runs the scoop the next day. I don't see that as less unethical.
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A drat FOG posted:Is the dude's twitter advertised or sponsored in an official capacity by his employer? Yeah, what Fisticuffs said. Reporters have been disciplined (and will be disciplined again) for stuff posted on personal Twitter, Facebook and message board posts.
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# ? Mar 28, 2011 05:48 |
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I think that's stupid. It's no different than if he had a conversation with someone, brought up what he does for work, and then mentioned an opinion. It's not necessary to make that kind of concession for the sake of people who are too stupid to discern opinions which represent the journalistic standards of a publication and opinions that are just a dude talking about things.
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Crazy Ted posted:Thanks Rick I'm going to have to actively root for Jimmer Fredette to become an NBA All-Star thanks to you. I don't know anything about basketball and that piece infuriates me because he just rails against this guy while giving no real information. Aside from a few vague references to "paying attention to defense" I have no idea what the author is trying to convey or why this bad game is supposed to override the rest of Jimmer's career. I assume Jimmer is normally very good because otherwise this article would be pointless, but why am I supposed to think this one game means more than his previous good games unless there is some Space Jam scenario where his power has been sapped? Does Jimmer suck against good teams or something? I have no idea. It's just terrible writing from start to finish. The only really notable piece of information is the no-context quote from a teammate about how his defense has been getting worse all year. It's not followed up on though so I don't know what the reason for this might be or if it's something that can be expected to continue into his NBA career. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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^Exactly. It's just so frustrating, coming from someone like Rick Reilly. Which reminds me...anyone up for some GOOD JOURNALISM ? "The Mourning Anchor," by Rick Reilly (SI, Sept. 26, 1988). We'll start with a Reilly piece, this one on Bryant Gumbel. Suffice it to say, he comes out looking more like Malcolm X than Wayne Brady. This is rather dark stuff. But Reilly paints Gumbel in a human light. It's as though, over the past several years, he has just forgotten all about what made him a good writer in the first place. "The Power of One," by Gary Smith (SI, Sept. 28, 2009). Sometimes, writers luck out with the details available about an event. Gary Smith has all the details in the world to work with in this case, and he uses them wisely. It can be hard, in the paragon of sports journalism, to find an account of an event that, at its surface, just sounds so cool. "We must learn from McKinley's death," by Woody Paige (Denver Post, Sept. 23, 2010). Apparently, if you want to write something impactful about sports, you publish it in late September. This is the story where Paige tells you that, yes, he once thought about attempting suicide, but he didn't follow through. It's an opinion piece, but it reads like an actual human being, with feelings and emotions and fears, wrote it. That doesn't always happen (does it, Rick?). "Her Blue Haven," by Bill Plaschke (Los Angeles Times, Aug. 19, 2001). I normally hate Bill Plaschke's columns. This one made me cry. If you cannot feel from reading this piece, you cannot feel. LARGE THE HEAD fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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A drat FOG posted:I think that's stupid. It's no different than if he had a conversation with someone, brought up what he does for work, and then mentioned an opinion. It's not necessary to make that kind of concession for the sake of people who are too stupid to discern opinions which represent the journalistic standards of a publication and opinions that are just a dude talking about things. I can't wrap my head around this post at all. This guy is a sports editor. Because of the nature of his job, he can't just have a "conversation" of that nature with a recruit. It compromises his position at work that he does this in his off-time. Trying to recruit for Butler, which is something he does all the time on his Twitter, is way out of line for a sports editor. It is necessarily related to his job, whether he is on the clock or not. He had another tweet asking all IU/PU recruits why they'd rather go to one of those schools rather than "the best program in the state(he's smart enough to avoid committing an NCAA violation by OPENLY pimping Butler)." He knows what he's doing is not innocuous, as any reporter would. Unless it make sense to you that a reporter could use his access to recruits to push/recruit for Butler and purport to be an impartial writer in print. That he tries to have a hand in making the news is an ethical violation in journalism.
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Fisticuffs posted:He had another tweet asking all IU/PU recruits why they'd rather go to one of those schools rather than "the best program in the state(he's smart enough to avoid committing an NCAA violation by OPENLY pimping Butler)." He knows what he's doing is not innocuous, as any reporter would. Sadly, this is not always true. drat FOG, most reporters sign an agreement to present themselves in public in ways that are consistent with their jobs. If there was a political reporter openly campaigning for a candidate on their Facebook page, it would be a similar situation. It's generally just a good idea to keep your private opinions private, even if that only means making your Twitter page invitation only. To some extent, though, it's just sports. Especially in small towns, there's at least some expectation that the paper will be pulling for the home team. I don't really agree with how far some writers go, but it's an understandable way of engaging your readers.
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Did anyone watch the Frontline program 'Money and March Madness' on your pbs station? Or just watch it online? Just wondering because Frontline generally speaking makes solid programming. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/money-and-march-madness/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=bigimage&utm_source=bigimage
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soggybagel posted:Did anyone watch the Frontline program 'Money and March Madness' on your pbs station? Anyone else having trouble loading the video? It won't load up for me.
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http://www.nesn.com/2011/04/red-sox-return-to-underdog-role-with-opportunity-to-make-history-like-they-did-in-2004.html Red Sox Return to Underdog Role With Opportunity to Make History Like They Did In 2004 quote:The Red Sox have the rest of the baseball universe right where they want. edit: added in the line breaks so you understand it's from the "one loving sentence per paragraph" school of idiot writing stuart scott fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Apr 11, 2011 |
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Don't underestimate a wounded lion . . . with suspect starting pitching, an uneven lineup and injury issues, and shaky defense at third and center and catcher. That really is the worst article I've read in awhile.There is actually no baseball insight in there at all. euphronius fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Apr 11, 2011 |
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