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Save me jeebus posted:I have a conference room for client intake. That said, the worst I've had was a client's husband who went nuts. hypocrite lecteur posted:Funniest thing  scalehttp://www.loweringthebar.net/2007/12/follow-the-chic.html quote:Q: Do you have a separate business that you have nm fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 25, 2011 |
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Are you in the frozen north yet? I'm thinking of applying for a clerkship and it's due today. Yeah I've been here for a couple months. If you do apply for the clerkship, maybe e-mail me at. hypocrite lecteur fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Mar 3, 2012 |
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nm posted:I've had a couple with mental illness issues at were a bit touch and go. Speaking of which, how do you fellas deal with intakes of genuinely crazy people? Crazy as in, "The Department of Transportation discriminated against me because they're Bin Laden, I wanna sue for $24million" crazy. I mean, if they manage to wile their way passed the receptionist and actually speak to a lawyer about initiating a lawsuit against the Moon, I have no idea what happens. I ask because I deal with their pro se, uh, eccentricities on the clerkship side. They all complain that they can't find a lawyer to take their case, and I just imagine them going door to door begging lawyers to do crazy poo poo. They are very very time consuming.
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BigHead posted:Speaking of which, how do you fellas deal with intakes of genuinely crazy people? Crazy as in, "The Department of Transportation discriminated against me because they're Bin Laden, I wanna sue for $24million" crazy. I mean, if they manage to wile their way passed the receptionist and actually speak to a lawyer about initiating a lawsuit against the Moon, I have no idea what happens. quote:(a) If, during the pendency of an action and prior to
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Yeah I've been here for a couple months. If you do apply for the clerkship, maybe e-mail me at hypoclec at gmail dot com. I've decided it against it - for now. I'm taking the June bar and it's all paid for/scheduled, so loving off to Nunavut for four months would be a mess right now. It's still something I want to do though, perhaps after articling. You should post your experiences in this thread btw.
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BigHead posted:Speaking of which, how do you fellas deal with intakes of genuinely crazy people? We had one a few weeks ago, claimed there was a vast right-wing conspiracy on the part of the Dept of Agriculture and every law-related agency in the county up to and including the public defender assigned to his case ("that loving dyke at the PD" who happens to be one of the best defense attorneys this side of the state). He got a felony menacing for aiming his pellet gun at a crop duster over his house. He said it was a reasonable reaction because organophosphates make him sick or some crap. Then he went on some landlord/tenant rant. He claimed his PD and the judge (also female) were discriminating against him because he's a man, then in the same sentence said he'd had a brain injury 30 years ago that made him think like a woman, and that he was a "true feminist" and a "warrior for truth." Then he said he wanted to go to law school to "defend folks like me that get ground up in the system" but was averse to "having to defend total scumbags." I encouraged him to go. My boss ended up charging him for a consult - which we usually don't do - and told him he should take the deal they offered. I asked for and received a cut of the consult fee because I think I earned it keeping a straight face for the whole debacle. He's the only genuinely crazy one I've had, but we do get the occasional inmate that wants to sue the jail or law enforcement for various reasons; I just tell them we can't help them and wish them the best of luck with their endeavor.
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Does he want to practice in Seattle? Does he have residency in Washington? Can he not get into a T14? If he answers "yes" to all of these and still wants to be a lawyer then I say go for it. UW on the whole is super tits. It sounds like he's not really gung ho on law school in general though. In which case he shouldn't go anywhere. E: Also if he has any questions about the area I'm happy to try to answer. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Mar 26, 2011 |
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One of the copywriters at my job got let go for reasons I'm not entirely clear about but that means there's a job opening! We are very much explicitly looking for an external candidate (we have no interest in promoting me!) so if you have experience writing about travel stuff and are a detail oriented person that is good at getting lots of things done quickly and want to move to Boston and sit in a cubicle next to me and listen to me while I moan about too many people eating too much crunchy food then there's possibly that option! The job is more about updating existing copy and keeping track of constant changes coming from usually around 3-4 sources of information at a time than it is about actually writing stuff but writing skills are important too. Like romantic, evocative stuff that makes senior citizens want to travel to India, about the smell of roasted cumin seeds and what have you. The kind of stuff they try to explicitly make you forget how to write in law school.
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Ainsley McTree posted:if you have experience writing about travel stuff and are a detail oriented person that is good at getting lots of things done quickly and want to move to Boston and sit in a cubicle next to me and listen to me while I moan about too many people eating too much crunchy food then there's possibly that option! I have no experience with travel stuff but I have extensive experience reading your Facebook Status updates on how you hate people eating crunchy food so I feel like that makes me pretty qualified.
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BigHead posted:Speaking of which, how do you fellas deal with intakes of genuinely crazy people? Crazy as in, "The Department of Transportation discriminated against me because they're Bin Laden, I wanna sue for $24million" crazy. I mean, if they manage to wile their way passed the receptionist and actually speak to a lawyer about initiating a lawsuit against the Moon, I have no idea what happens. The older you get the less gentle you get about it. I am co-counselling a few cases with a lawyer in his early 70's. Another prospective plaintiff called him, so I met with the lawyer and the prospect, and the prospect turned out to be flat out nuts. After the nut babbled on for about five minutes, the older lawyer said "Wait. Stop. We are serious, top end, high power lawyers. Do you get it? You are wasting our time. Please go." The nut looked shocked, then nodded his head, got up and left. Not that long ago, I would have let the nut drivel on for hours, letting him down gently, in the hopes of not offending him. But this new approach seems much more effective.
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Solomon Grundy posted:The older you get the less gentle you get about it. I am co-counselling a few cases with a lawyer in his early 70's. Another prospective plaintiff called him, so I met with the lawyer and the prospect, and the prospect turned out to be flat out nuts. After the nut babbled on for about five minutes, the older lawyer said "Wait. Stop. We are serious, top end, high power lawyers. Do you get it? You are wasting our time. Please go." The nut looked shocked, then nodded his head, got up and left. I too have seen something like this in action. One of the partners fired a client for behaving inappropriately at a closing (apparently there was a lot of screaming at the closer about fees), and the whole exchange was basically three sentences long. "We aren't going to represent you any longer. Your behavior is inexcusable. We will mail you the file." Click. It was pretty amazing.
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Cortina posted:I too have seen something like this in action. One of the partners fired a client for behaving inappropriately at a closing (apparently there was a lot of screaming at the closer about fees), and the whole exchange was basically three sentences long. "We aren't going to represent you any longer. Your behavior is inexcusable. We will mail you the file." Click. It was pretty amazing. That makes total sense to me. Lawyers deal with lots of other related service-providers, and need to maintain good (and hopefully cordial) relationships with them. A client who abuses one of these people is probably not worth the money, because the client may affect the lawyer's referral base.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:I've decided it against it - for now. I'm taking the June bar and it's all paid for/scheduled, so loving off to Nunavut for four months would be a mess right now. It's still something I want to do though, perhaps after articling. Yeah I was thinking about writing something up, although it seems uncomfortably like blogging to me. Might be an unwelcome diversion from taco and suit chat though, I'll probably post it to the Canadian thread if I do
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Yeah I was thinking about writing something up, although it seems uncomfortably like blogging to me. Might be an unwelcome diversion from taco and suit chat though, I'll probably post it to the Canadian thread if I do LF's Canada is Worthless thread or is there another I don't know of? An Ominous Sign: I just realized the tent I bought for this camping season is called the Drifter.
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Save me jeebus posted:We had one a few weeks ago, claimed there was a vast right-wing conspiracy on the part of the Dept of Agriculture and every law-related agency in the county up to and including the public defender assigned to his case ("that loving dyke at the PD" who happens to be one of the best defense attorneys this side of the state). He got a felony menacing for aiming his pellet gun at a crop duster over his house. He said it was a reasonable reaction because organophosphates make him sick or some crap. Then he went on some landlord/tenant rant.
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Hey, I'm pretty new to the forums and a little lost/confused. I'm a bright guy, hardworking, all that BS, and graduated from the bottom of my class at a good but Tier 3 law school in Cleveland, OH, with some work in public aid and the DOJ in bankruptcy. Just took the Ohio bar and I'm getting my results in April. Currently working as an office assistant creating a kanban manufacturing profile, very temporary, and in dire need of health insurance. Next Tuesday I'm going to a spirits meeting, with a chance to meet people from Beam Wine and Spirits in Pittsburgh, and don't quite know what to do there. Anybody have any suggestions?
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Law has turned me into an rear end in a top hat who picks fights with underpaid support reps when I am at the office at 8 on a Saturday night. If I have not argued with somebody in over 4 hours I must get unnecessarily snarky.quote:Cleo: Hi mrtoodles Sad thing is, I used to be a support rep. I don't think I ever would have put up with that attitude. I am genuinely disturbed with myself.
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BigHead posted:Speaking of which, how do you fellas deal with intakes of genuinely crazy people? Crazy as in, "The Department of Transportation discriminated against me because they're Bin Laden, I wanna sue for $24million" crazy. I mean, if they manage to wile their way passed the receptionist and actually speak to a lawyer about initiating a lawsuit against the Moon, I have no idea what happens. 1L summer, interning at small claims court, had a woman come in wanting to sue Avis Rent-A-Car because they stole her car seven years prior because she had rented a car ten years prior that got side-swiped while it was parked on the street, and also she was getting on the bus and she heard a guy talking about bombing her and she looked and he was wearing an Avis shirt. Then three months later, she was suing Safeway in small claims because a cashier was talking about bombing Eddie Murphy. In both instances, I told her that small claims is only for money damages and she's asking for injunctive relief, so she needs to refile her lawsuit across the street in the main courthouse. Your Government At Work.
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mrtoodles posted:Law has turned me into an rear end in a top hat who picks fights with underpaid support reps when I am at the office at 8 on a Saturday night. If I have not argued with somebody in over 4 hours I must get unnecessarily snarky.
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mrtoodles posted:Law has turned me into an rear end in a top hat who picks fights with underpaid support reps when I am at the office at 8 on a Saturday night. If I have not argued with somebody in over 4 hours I must get unnecessarily snarky. Cleo was a pro though
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Ainsley McTree posted:Cleo was a pro though CALL ME NOW FOR YA FREE READIN
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Abugadu posted:CALL ME NOW FOR YA FREE READIN Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same one, it seems like she probably should have landed as a customer service person at a takeout place by now
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Whoa when did this thread get moved? How do I blue book cite oral argument at SCOTUS? I can't seem to find anything in BB about this.
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calmasahinducow posted:Whoa when did this thread get moved?
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intensive purposes posted:Maybe look under transcripts? It's rule 10.8.3, on page 96-97 in my 18th ed. BB. Example they give is "Transcript of Oral Argument at 26, Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763 (No. 306). Thanks
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calmasahinducow posted:Whoa when did this thread get moved? Why are you citing oral args? I mean I hope it's a sourcecite or that you're writing a paper specifically on oral arguments, because man those things are like 99% the justices mocking the gently caress out of counsel.
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19th ed woot. Transcript of Oral Argument at 11, Ayers v. Belmontes, 126 S. Ct. 469 (2006) (No. 05-493).
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mrtoodles posted:19th ed woot. Things I will be tested on in two weeks in order to see if I can go on to the writing component of the law review competition: right here.
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Classchat: Duke hasn't hosed the dog this year and it looks like I'll have a fair shot at pretty much every class I'm interested in for the fall semester. But I obviously can't take them all, so I have a few questions. -I'm going to take Evidence eventually, but should I try to lock it down now or can it wait for a while? (Will it help with the 2L job search, or not at all?) -Is OCI's discord a good reason not to grab a clinic right now, or will it really not matter? -Other than Evidence, is there anything I absolutely must try to lock down? I'm not super interested in IP or Tax (although I'd like to try them sometime) and so far I've just been looking at the cool stuff. Am I missing anything?
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Sulecrist posted:Classchat: 1. I haven't taken it yet (that's probably happening for me this fall as a 3L), but I kind of wish I did. When my firm asked for a list of stuff I would have completed before this summer, they specifically asked if I had Evidence. What I'm saying is that it might not affect OCI chances but it's something at least my firm was interested in. 2. Don't have a lot of advice on this one, sorry. I don't have a clinic under my belt yet in law school but I did work at one after undergrad so maybe employers viewed it as a bit of a wash in my case. Probably not but at least I had some legal work besides 1L summer under my belt. 3. Corporations (or Business Associations, whatever it's called at Duke), which I found pretty hard since I have so little finance background and my prof was way into all that stuff. Still glad I took it even though I got my one meh grade in law school through that class. It's been recommended to me by many people (practioners and professors alike) to take tax at some point so maybe now is the time for you. Another thought: If you have any interest in getting some drafts going for publications, grab a seminar or two this year. One of the good things I've done with my schedule is really up the amount of legal writing I have to do. It's been a bitch but I feel better about researching and stuff now then I did. Plus those classes tend to be on cool subjects and with fewer people in them a lot of schools relax the curve.
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entris posted:Give tax a try sooner rather than later - it has a different feel than other areas of law, and if you find out you like it, you should find out early enough that you can take a bunch of tax courses in your 3L year. I agree. I was an English major and the idea of liking tax law never even crossed my mind. I took it early my 2L year because it was recommended to me, and it turns out I love it. I'm glad I left myself the time to take more.
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incogneato posted:I agree. I was an English major and the idea of liking tax law never even crossed my mind. I took it early my 2L year because it was recommended to me, and it turns out I love it. I'm glad I left myself the time to take more. I really enjoyed tax but didn't take it until 3L and regretted it immediately.
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Sigma, I have a small favor to ask (it involves an admitted student visiting Boalt soon). Find me in irc or ask one of the following sacks of poo poo for my email address: Hiddenreplaced Atlas Prussian Warszawa Holybartender MFH tau I'm sure other people have it but they definitely do.
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10-8 posted:Too many tax lawyers up in here. Seriously, stop diluting my loving market, assholes.
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:I really enjoyed tax but didn't take it until 3L and regretted it immediately. Me too, I crammed my 2nd 3L semester with as much tax as I could because goddamn tax owns 10-8 posted:Too many tax lawyers up in here. 
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