Lawyer & Law School Megathread #12: Started Out Barrister, Ended Up Barista

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seal it with a kiss: Sep 14, 2007; :3

It's March in the Political Science department, which means that all the seniors are planning on making it big!

Thank god that Yale has quotas for mediocre Minnesota students!

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# ? Mar 30, 2011 02:39

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 02:12

Vander: Aug 16, 2004; I am my own hero.

10-8 posted:

Too many tax lawyers up in here.

Writin' a tax paper for law school over here.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 02:54

Business: Feb 6, 2007

seal it with a kiss posted:

It's March in the Political Science department, which means that all the seniors are planning on making it big!

Thank god that Yale has quotas for mediocre Minnesota students!

haha cool

# ? Mar 30, 2011 02:56

entris: Oct 22, 2008; by Y Kant Ozma Post

10-8 posted:

Too many tax lawyers up in here.

Sounds like the goon law firm is going to have a strong tax department.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 03:04

MaximumBob: Jan 15, 2006; You're moving who to the bullpen?

Vander posted:

Writin' a tax paper for law school over here.

Stop it, there are no jobs in tax.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 03:05

10-8: Oct 2, 2003; Level 14 Bureaucrat

MaximumBob posted:

Stop it, there are no jobs in tax.

I only blame myself. The archived editions of this thread are filled with my posts describing the champagne wishes and caviar dreams that come with being a tax lawyer.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 03:27

MaximumBob: Jan 15, 2006; You're moving who to the bullpen?

10-8 posted:

I only blame myself. The archived editions of this thread are filled with my posts describing the champagne wishes and caviar dreams that come with being a tax lawyer.

And you should blame yourself. It's your fault.

Seriously, for the benefit of those of you who are not 10-8, the problem with a career in tax is that you can do tax planning work which basically means to earn a living you need biglaw credentials. Or you can do tax controversy work and represent taxpayers in which case you're going to need biglaw credentials or likely make very little money for years, or you can represent the government in which case you're going to have to beat out hundreds of other people for a position.

MaximumBob fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 30, 2011

# ? Mar 30, 2011 03:36

Petey: Nov 26, 2005; For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

quote:

Hello,

My name is Roxana [redacted] and I am an editor from Journal of legal studies, Iasi, Romania. I was reading your articles on SSRN and I want to ask you if you are interested in publish in our journal. You can find out more about it on http://jls.upa.ro

Waiting for your answer,

Roxana

What the hell

e: I feel like this is how people end up being trafficked

Petey fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Mar 30, 2011

# ? Mar 30, 2011 04:02

gohuskies: Oct 23, 2010; I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

A smart UVA student has started a little side business selling shirts:

# ? Mar 30, 2011 04:23

MaximumBob: Jan 15, 2006; You're moving who to the bullpen?

gohuskies posted:

A smart UVA student has started a little side business selling shirts:

That's just misleading. Selling t-shirts is a job.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 04:26

Trash Can Man: May 31, 2005; I work until beer o'clock.

Anyone going to the Columbia or NYU admitted students day this week?

# ? Mar 30, 2011 04:45

Colorblind Pilot: Dec 29, 2006; Enageg!1

Trash Can Man posted:

Anyone going to the Columbia or NYU admitted students day this week?

I'll be at the CLS one. I'm actually about to leave for the airport.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 04:53

The Rokstar: Aug 19, 2002; by FactsAreUseless

If you are a patent attorney with a telecom background, look around California. There is a dearth of us here.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 05:05

Stunt Rock: Jul 28, 2002; DEATH WISH AT 120 DECIBELS

gohuskies posted:

A smart UVA student has started a little side business selling shirts:

I paid $40,000 a year in tuition and all I got was a job selling this stupid t-shirt.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 05:05

Stop: Nov 27, 2005; I like every pitch, no matter where it is.

Stop fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jan 30, 2013

# ? Mar 30, 2011 05:13

Ganon: May 24, 2003

Stop posted:

I'll be at the NYU one for Friday and Saturday.

Didn't you also get into Columbia?

# ? Mar 30, 2011 06:04

Stop: Nov 27, 2005; I like every pitch, no matter where it is.

Stop fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Jan 30, 2013

# ? Mar 30, 2011 06:16

sigmachiev: Dec 31, 2007; Fighting blood excels

Stop posted:

Yeah but NYU's giving me the stipend to go to ASW and it's impossible to fit the Columbia one into my schedule.

You hear back from dirty Cardinal yet or follow up w/ the Berk waitlist thing?

# ? Mar 30, 2011 07:07

The Warszawa: Jun 6, 2005; Look at me. Look at me.

I am the captain now.

seal it with a kiss posted:

It's March in the Political Science department, which means that all the seniors are planning on making it big!

Thank god that Yale has quotas for mediocre Minnesota students!

I just...no. No.

(Also I'm lollin', because Yale does pretty much all its admitting before the 1st of April, and admit weekend is like...in two weeks, so the chances of this person getting in are incredibly slim.)

# ? Mar 30, 2011 07:08

Damn Phantom: Nov 20, 2005; ZERG LERKER

Petey posted:

What the hell

e: I feel like this is how people end up being trafficked

It'll probably be more like those Nigerian scams than human-trafficking."We have your article AT THE PRESS RIGHT NOW (but just need $1000 USD cash, Western Union, or Credit to settle a dispute with the publisher)"

I'm getting antsy waiting to hear back from the Berkman Center. I'm guessing I didn't get a summer research position, but I just want some closure goddamnit.

Edit: just checked the website. What's your article about?

Damn Phantom fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Mar 30, 2011

# ? Mar 30, 2011 13:36

Petey: Nov 26, 2005; For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

drat Phantom posted:

It'll probably be more like those Nigerian scams than human-trafficking."We have your article AT THE PRESS RIGHT NOW (but just need $1000 USD cash, Western Union, or Credit to settle a dispute with the publisher)"

I'm getting antsy waiting to hear back from the Berkman Center. I'm guessing I didn't get a summer research position, but I just want some closure goddamnit.

I didn't hear back until midmay.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 13:37

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

The Rokstar posted:

If you are a patent attorney with a telecom background, look around California. There is a dearth of us here.

I get goinhouse.com alerts, and there seem to be open in-house positions at a lot of the big tech companies along the west coast - Qualcomm, Oracle, Intel, Microsoft, etc.

Portland seems nice.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 16:27

Roger_Mudd: Jul 18, 2003; Buglord

So I found a guy who was interested in hiring me, had $7,000 from my school available to pay him to hire me, sent in my resume and writing sample.... radio silence from him. Won't even respond to e-mails.

Don't go, no jobs, can't pay someone to hire you.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 17:27

sigmachiev: Dec 31, 2007; Fighting blood excels

Any Columbia goons here have homies in the B-School? One of my best friends just got in and I was hoping to connect him to some good folks for some Q&A.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 21:10

Soothing Vapors: Mar 26, 2006; Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

MaximumBob posted:

Seriously, for the benefit of those of you who are not 10-8, the problem with a career in tax is that you can do tax planning work which basically means to earn a living you need biglaw credentials. Or you can do tax controversy work and represent taxpayers in which case you're going to need biglaw credentials or likely make very little money for years, or you can represent the government in which case you're going to have to beat out hundreds of other people for a position.

I have a job contradicting every word in this post

Y'all just not ballin like me :snoop:

# ? Mar 30, 2011 21:15

ewr2870: May 8, 2007

Soothing Vapors posted:

I have a job contradicting every word in this post

Y'all just not ballin like me

You were a Darrow Scholar at UMich, right? Once upon a time those were BigLaw credentials.

# ? Mar 30, 2011 22:20

HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

sigmachiev posted:

Any Columbia goons here have homies in the B-School? One of my best friends just got in and I was hoping to connect him to some good folks for some Q&A.

Well I guess if you're just talking to the Columbia students I'll stay out of it...

# ? Mar 30, 2011 22:43

sigmachiev: Dec 31, 2007; Fighting blood excels

HiddenReplaced posted:

Well I guess if you're just talking to the Columbia students I'll stay out of it...

Ha okay my bad for assuming proximity was necessary. I'll hit you up in #lawgoons

# ? Mar 30, 2011 23:01

Omerta: Feb 19, 2007; I thought short arms were good for benching

Omerta fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Aug 17, 2011

# ? Mar 31, 2011 00:19

qwertyman: May 2, 2003; Congress gave me $3.1 trillion, which I already spent on extremely dangerous drugs. We had acid, cocaine, and a whole galaxy of uppers, downers, screamers, laughers, and amyls.

Anybody coming down to the UVA tourney this weekend? PM me!

# ? Mar 31, 2011 01:37

qwertyman posted:

Anybody coming down to the UVA tourney this weekend? PM me!

If anybody meets a guy with the initials NZ at this thing, try to interact with him as little as possible or you might regret it.

# ? Mar 31, 2011 01:54

Soothing Vapors: Mar 26, 2006; Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

ewr2870 posted:

You were a Darrow Scholar at UMich, right? Once upon a time those were BigLaw credentials.

Oh I thought he meant you had to have worked in Biglaw

i should never doubt Bob

# ? Mar 31, 2011 02:04

MaximumBob: Jan 15, 2006; You're moving who to the bullpen?

Soothing Vapors posted:

Oh I thought he meant you had to have worked in Biglaw

i should never doubt Bob

Yeah, I just meant you had to have a resume that would give you a shot at Biglaw in the first place.

Like everything else in this field, if you have great options you'll have great outcomes. For most people the outcomes aren't so great.

# ? Mar 31, 2011 03:11

shirts and skins: Jun 25, 2007; Good morning!

qwertyman posted:

Anybody coming down to the UVA tourney this weekend? PM me!

I'll be there, but I will be drunk the entire time.

# ? Mar 31, 2011 16:08

Crescent Wrench: Sep 30, 2005; The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.; Grimey Drawer

Trash Can Man posted:

Anyone going to the Columbia or NYU admitted students day this week?

If anyone is going to be at NYU ASD tomorrow, come watch the 11 a.m. Property lecture so I can stare the visitors down and try to figure out which of them are goons.

# ? Mar 31, 2011 16:30

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

Christ. If you ever want to write a scholarly paper, write it on attorney's fee litigation. The law is such a jumbled loving mess on that point.

For every other field of law in Texas, you are entitled to all documents a testifying expert reviewed in making his testimony. Except when an attorney goes to testify that his fees are reasonable and necessary, you can't exclude an attorney's testimony if he fails to produce his bills that you know exist and that he testifies exist. :saddowns:

# ? Mar 31, 2011 18:16

Bathing Jesus: Aug 26, 2003

Anyone looking for a room in Chicago from May until August (or beyond!) or willing to post a subletter wanted ad on their school listserv for me? One room in a 2BR/1BA, in-unit laundry, fully furnished. $600/mo. (negotiable) + utilities ($50-75). The place is about 1/4 mi. (a few blocks) from the Damen Blue Line in Wicker Park, roughly a 10-15 min. subway ride into downtown.

# ? Mar 31, 2011 18:42

BigHead: Jul 25, 2003; Huh?; Nap Ghost

We all know the ABA doesn't give a poo poo about us penniless paupers (and by penniless I mean we have staggeringly negative wealth, so penniless would be an improvement). But Barbara Boxer has officially entered the fray. Oh Barb, you're so swell :swoon:

http://abovethelaw.com/2011/03/watch-out-law-schools-united-states-senators-want-you-to-stop-lying/#more-65517

quote:

President
American Bar Association
740 15th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20005-1019

Dear Mr. Zack:

As you know, recent news articles have raised concerns about the reporting of admissions and post-graduation information by the American Bar Association and law schools across the country. It is essential that students deciding if and where to attend law school have access to information that is accurate and transparent. The ABA, as the accrediting body charged with oversight of the nation�s law schools, must ensure standards and accountability.

As the economy continues to recover from the recession, many new law school graduates are struggling to find jobs as attorneys. According to Northwestern University, at least 15,000 legal jobs with large firms have disappeared since 2008. The Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates that the number of people employed in legal services has decreased from a high of 1.2 million in 2007, to less than 1 million in 2009. Experts predict that fewer than 30,000 new attorney positions per year will be available to the more than 44,000 law school graduates entering the marketplace each year.

This very serious problem takes on greater significance when viewed in the context of news articles highlighting law schools that allegedly falsify post-graduation and salary information in attempts to increase their position in the annual U.S. News and World Report rankings.

Most students reasonably expect to obtain post-graduation employment that will allow them to pay off their student loan debts, and rely on this information � which may be false at worst and misleading at best � to inform their decision.

As reported in the New York Times and other publications, the ABA allows law schools to report salary information of the highest earning graduates as if it were representative of the entire class. Also, when reporting critical post-graduation employment information, law schools are not distinguishing between graduates practicing law full-time from those working part-time or in non-legal fields.

I understand that some ABA members have been pressing for reform, that the ABA has appointed committees to review ways to increase oversight and transparency, and that U.S. News and World Report has requested greater transparency from law school deans. These are good first steps, but more must be done to ensure potential students have a full understanding of the costs and benefits of a legal education.

I am requesting that you provide me with a detailed summary of the ABA�s plans to implement reforms to its current procedures to ensure access to accurate and transparent information for prospective law school students.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Barbara Boxer

United States Senator

# ? Mar 31, 2011 20:19

Defleshed: Nov 18, 2004; F is for... FREEDOM

Babs posted:

"I am requesting that you provide me with a detailed summary of the ABA�s plans to implement reforms to its current procedures to ensure access to accurate and transparent information for prospective law school students."

WHAT NOW STEVE? WHAT NOW?

edit:

Dear Barabara,

I don't have anything like that because it takes the ABA about 26.2 years to respond to any cultural shift in the legal market, please write whoever is president in 2037.

Cheers,

Steve

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Bro Enlai: Nov 9, 2008

Is anybody going to the Tenenbaum oral argument before the First Circuit Monday? Seems like it'd be a good way to get some nerdlaw cred in.

Also, where once there was but a ball of anxiety and rejection e-mails, there is a new comic

# ? Mar 31, 2011 23:09

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