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It just occured to me the pilot challenging the Wolfhound might not even be willing to offer Zellbrigen given that he considers the Wolfhound pilot cowardly for hiding in the forest. So that said, either run for it or try to go for the weakly protected rear.
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raverrn posted:If the Wolfie wants to pull back, I wouldn't mind in the least contributing a few AC-20s to that clanner's back. I'd suggest helping out against the Bloodname Clanner. If you guys can take him down, you could throw Zell out the window and roll up the flank of the other two for at least a partial victory. Eventually those clanners are going to say screw it and nuke your tank. Yes you can take a few hits, but one lucky hit to the turret and you go poof.
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Arglebargle III posted:Hmmm... all this 'spergin (myself included) has made me wonder whether there has ever been a giant robot fightin' franchise that wasn't completely retarded in some way. Uh, Tekwars had nothing to do with giant robots... ?
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Given that dick jokes never go out of style, if I were in that Wolfhound I'd start taunting the clanner that challenged me. Something classic, like "boy, you sure are compensating for the lack of something if you need such a big and powerful 'mech to tackle on a simple scout".Arglebargle III posted:Hmmm... all this 'spergin (myself included) has made me wonder whether there has ever been a giant robot fightin' franchise that wasn't completely retarded in some way.
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radintorov posted:Maybe Patlabor? It's on my to-watch-eventually list, but I've heard good things about it from a couple of friends on mine that are obsessed with mecha anime. Patlabor actually treated the mech analogs pretty well (they're used in all sorts of industry as haulers, and the series focuses on a SWAT-style team of police who use them as heavy armor) but gets pretty retarded with the stereotypical anime love triangle poo poo.
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WarLocke posted:Uh, Tekwars had nothing to do with giant robots... ? Man, if only we were on some sort of forum dedicated to sarcasm and humor. His post would have been awesome then, instead of mistaken. Can we please, please, please stop trying to nitpick the fluff? I mean, seriously. It has plotholes that you could drive a tank though. A lot of it makes no sense. We know this. We understand this. No one considers this hard scifi. Stop being the guy who complains about how The Last Starfighter was totally unrealistic. We read the fluff because it's FUN, and if you can't read it without having to sperge out about well a mech would last in a fight against THE UNITED STATES ARMY like Michael loving Bay, please just leave. I mean, jesus christ. Too much  in this thread about giant robots punching each other.
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landcollector posted:Unless the Wolfhound's pilot abuses/manipulates Zellbrigen, yes. Even then, probably yes. Barring outside influences or insanely good luck, a level 1 35-ton IS mech against a level 2 65-ton Clan mech has a rather predictable result. My interpretation of Zellbrigen might be off, but what sort of honor is gained if the Loki takes down a 35-ton scout mech? Shouldn't it be the other way around or something?
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elitebuster posted:I think the main thing about giant mecha is that they are always a stupid concept that are utterly rediculous in practice. They have never, ever made sense as a military product. I think I once used this fact to prove that there is no kind and loving god. On another matter entirely, where we going to start using MegaMek for these fights? I remember hearing some rumblings in that direction.
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Veyrall posted:I think I once used this fact to prove that there is no kind and loving god. He said it would come later, I think.
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Boogle posted:My interpretation of Zellbrigen might be off, but what sort of honor is gained if the Loki takes down a 35-ton scout mech? Shouldn't it be the other way around or something? Exactly. Which is why the Wolfhound pilot's best chance may be to goad the Hellbringer pilot into handicapping himself in the name of zell.
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anakha posted:Exactly. Which is why the Wolfhound pilot's best chance may be to goad the Hellbringer pilot into handicapping himself in the name of zell. Think he's fighting the (probable) Crossbow though since we're reasonably certain the Hellbringer challenged the Banshee. Also the pilot of said as-of-yet unidentified mech seems to consider the Wolfhound's pilot a coward and thus possibly beneath using zellbrigen. I don't think it's necessarily within clan doctrine to use zell on a mech-by-mech basis but then again Steel Vipers are dicks. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Hmmm... all this 'spergin (myself included) has made me wonder whether there has ever been a giant robot fightin' franchise that wasn't completely retarded in some way. Steel Battalion: Basically perfect in every way both game-wise and fluff-wise (hai shi dao forever)
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:You mean in the person of one man? Like exactly how they said it could be operated, by either of two guys, one of whom may in fact actually be superflous? My point was that you don't need to do this in a turreted vehicle because you have unlimited traverse for your main gun. Which is the reason that the commander doesn't have controls for driving in an M1A2, but he does for the turret. Tank crew sizes have been historically driven by logistics, not combat. USSR tank commanders complained about only having 3 man crews making maintenance hard, andthe US and germany both tested 3 men crews with autoloaders before going back to 4. You could even operate drone versions of the Stridsvagen if you wanted (they built one), but that would be difficult to operate. quote:I don't think it's necessarily within clan doctrine to use zell on a mech-by-mech basis but then again Steel Vipers are dicks. As plan B is dying messily, and the oppotunity cost is low, it's worth a shot!
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:My point was that you don't need to do this in a turreted vehicle because you have unlimited traverse for your main gun. Which is the reason that the commander doesn't have controls for driving in an M1A2, but he does for the turret. And you can come up with a way to have an unlimited traverse for a turret in a one-man tank, too. It's... Actually not all that hard, given enough computer hardware. The UI is the main bitch, but that can be solved. quote:Tank crew sizes have been historically driven by logistics, not combat. USSR tank commanders complained about only having 3 man crews making maintenance hard, andthe US and germany both tested 3 men crews with autoloaders before going back to 4. You could even operate drone versions of the Stridsvagen if you wanted (they built one), but that would be difficult to operate. That's what I said. It's not combat but maintenance that is the reason why our tanks still have large crews. quote:As plan B is dying messily, and the oppotunity cost is low, it's worth a shot! May as well try, right? Also, I just found out the most  thing a person can do from the cockpit of a BattleMech: Death from Above a helicoptor, smash it to pieces, plummet down from Altitude 8, fire your jets at the last second and land upright in height-1 water.That's some poo poo right out of Armored Core there. ShadowDragon8685 fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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UberJew posted:Steel Battalion: Basically perfect in every way both game-wise and fluff-wise (hai shi dao forever) Every time I hear about it, I am both intrigued and repulsed by the controller. On the one hand, so many buttons  . But on the other hand, so many buttons 
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The Merry Marauder posted:Unless this is a house rule, tracked vehicles can go into light woods. (such as 1120) You are correct, I thought it was all vehicles but that's heavy woods. Arglebargle III posted:Hmmm... all this 'spergin (myself included) has made me wonder whether there has ever been a giant robot fightin' franchise that wasn't completely retarded in some way. Aura Battler Dunbine  Mostly 'cause they took the 'doesn't made sense' and added magic and stranger in a strange land to it, so the crazy wrapped into the 'completely awesome' territory again. Boogle posted:My interpretation of Zellbrigen might be off, but what sort of honor is gained if the Loki takes down a 35-ton scout mech? Shouldn't it be the other way around or something? An enemy defeated is an enemy defeated. There is honor in that, even if the fight was skewed in your favor. The Clanners do not care too much about odds, and are making challenges to amuse themselves. If they were fighting seriously, they wouldn't issue a verbal challenge, they'd just quietly pick a target and kill it. Anyway, we are now at SpergAlert: Red. There is a blanket moratorium on arguing about Battletech vs. Real Tech. To make this less irritating, the first person who makes me a Battletech-themed SpergAlert: Red banner gets to name one of the as-yet unidentified Clan Omnis. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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Wait a moment, Sperg Alert: Red? I have had all of this confused with Red Alert 2: Sperg About Mechs Battling Allied Armor this whole time!
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Chronojam posted:Wait a moment, Sperg Alert: Red? I have had all of this confused with Red Alert 2: Sperg About Mechs Battling Allied Armor this whole time! I'm tired and couldn't think up a more interesting rule name.
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Probably not the best possible but... EDIT: made it smaller. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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WarLocke posted:Patlabor actually treated the mech analogs pretty well (they're used in all sorts of industry as haulers, and the series focuses on a SWAT-style team of police who use them as heavy armor) but gets pretty retarded with the stereotypical anime love triangle poo poo. I think Ghost in the Shell handled the limited Mechs that they had pretty well... They were mainly AI driven platforms that could hold a single person in them and were decent fire support. Plus they were cute as all hell. Tachikomas are awesome. KnoxZone posted:Next turn is going to be really exciting. This is where poo poo starts to get real. Too bad MechWarrior Knox isn't around to see the glory.... Actually, according to the fluff in the last update, you were still there. Withdrawing and flipping the bird at the mech that challenged the Wolfhound, but you're still in the vicinity of the fighting. You'd probably still be able to see everything that went down... GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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I actually am one of those guys that didn't like Red Alert: Sperg About Mechs, and preferred the alternative universe found in Tiberian Sperg: Mechs. Westwood's dead, FASA's dead, the rules were made in the 80s and our current electronic systems and military platforms make that 'future' look laughable, but it's a damned fun time.
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Angry_Ed posted:Probably not the best possible but... Huzzah. Send me a PM and I'll let you know what's available for naming.
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Chronojam posted:I actually am one of those guys that didn't like Red Alert: Sperg About Mechs, and preferred the alternative universe found in Tiberian Sperg: Mechs. Westwood's dead, FASA's dead, the rules were made in the 80s and our current electronic systems and military platforms make that 'future' look laughable, but it's a damned fun time. What is this beautiful thing and where do I get it?
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Gingoskophot posted:What is this beautiful thing and where do I get it? Yeah, I was wondering about that too... Would go great with my love for all things Tiberian Sun and the new Tiberium Wars LP that A Pair of Ducks has going...
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Well, I'll need to disappoint you guys a little bit. You can download all the loose SHP graphics for the mechs (TS formatted) plus support vehicles and a fully animated mech factory building are available. There are also a few VXL/HVA graphics for the Mad Dog and a couple others (RA2 formatted), but after that point it's all DIY. As far as I know, all the TS/RA2 mech related mods petered out as the staff of each were absorbed by other projects. There was a C&C Generals version that was actually playable too, released years ago, now that I think of it.
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It looks like things are about to get real brutal for Steiner and Company. Though the Wolfhound should goad the ever living gently caress out of the Clanner challenging it. I'm sure someone can come up with something fluffy and appropriate.
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Trast posted:It looks like things are about to get real brutal for Steiner and Company. Though the Wolfhound should goad the ever living gently caress out of the Clanner challenging it. I'm sure someone can come up with something fluffy and appropriate. He should make a 'Yo Mama' joke. Not because the Clanner loves his mother. But because the Clanner hates the thought of even HAVING one, let alone any insinuation that she was some kind of obese, unskilled, and intemperate lowlife.
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Wait a second, is that 'Mech going after the Wolfhound an Assault 'Mech (edit: At least I assume the weights must be comparable if the computer is calling the thing a Longbow)? Challenging a Medium? How's this dude expect to gain honor and glory by hunting down a 'Mech that's half his size? Mission directive be damned, that's still a punk move, and Dusk ought to be calling him on that bull, shouldn't she? vvvv Even worse, then, innit?
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The Wolfie's a 35-ton light 'mech, actually.
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I've just had a thought. The Clanners don't know who Caesar Steiner is, and all they know is that the name is the only unit not bid to respond to the Batchall. The Wolfhound responding to the clanner by going 'Dishonourable scum! I am a member of the Caesar Steiner subclade! You have violated the laws of war most heinously, and must forfeit!' could be amusing.
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Chronojam posted:Well, I'll need to disappoint you guys a little bit. You can download all the loose SHP graphics for the mechs (TS formatted) plus support vehicles and a fully animated mech factory building are available. There are also a few VXL/HVA graphics for the Mad Dog and a couple others (RA2 formatted), but after that point it's all DIY. As far as I know, all the TS/RA2 mech related mods petered out as the staff of each were absorbed by other projects. There was a C&C Generals version that was actually playable too, released years ago, now that I think of it. Uh uh. I am not getting C&C Generals again. I've lost like, 3 physical copies of that game so far. Until that appears on Steam, I'll have to stay mechless I guess  Oh, wait, reading that site it seems you have to do a clean install first. Bummer. evilmiera fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Wait a second, is that 'Mech going after the Wolfhound an Assault 'Mech (edit: At least I assume the weights must be comparable if the computer is calling the thing a Longbow)? Challenging a Medium? Quoting myself, since this was already answered on this very page? PoptartsNinja posted:An enemy defeated is an enemy defeated. There is honor in that, even if the fight was skewed in your favor. The Clanners do not care too much about odds, and are making challenges to amuse themselves. If they were fighting seriously, they wouldn't issue a verbal challenge, they'd just quietly pick a target and kill it. Or, in other words: You guys chose to bring a wolfhound. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Or, in other words: You guys chose to bring a wolfhound. Counter by calling them honorless pussies, and bid away one of the wolfhounds arms/weapons/etc. See if you can get them in a tizzy about an IS BARBARIAN!!!$#@ calling them out.
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Calling out the Clanner challenging the Wolfhound is probably the best way for it to survive... No way are you gonna last long against a Heavy/Assault that has long range weaponry...
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GhostStalker posted:Calling out the Clanner challenging the Wolfhound is probably the best way for it to survive... No way are you gonna last long against a Heavy/Assault that has long range weaponry... I'll bid my rear-facing medium laser only.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Quoting myself, since this was already answered on this very page? Well, I wanted a Jagermech. The Wolfhound will probably last longer, though. Edit: Also ShadowDragon holy poo poo we used to play D&D together like 6 years ago whatup? raverrn fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 3, 2011 |
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Spencerb posted:I'll bid my rear-facing medium laser only. That cowardly inner sphere scum is planning to run away.
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Spencerb posted:I'll bid my rear-facing medium laser only. If it's dishonourable for him to shoot you in the back and he can't move fast enough to get in front of you this would actually work.
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raverrn posted:Well, I wanted a Jagermech. Wolfhound's got more armor and no ammo. It would absolutely last longer. Also the WLF was just gravy anyway.
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Defiance Industries posted:Wolfhound's got more armor and no ammo. It would absolutely last longer. Also the WLF was just gravy anyway. Wolfhound has about half the structure, though.
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