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Russian Bear posted:Comedy option Ape sxv 550. Oh wait you said reliable. Two SXV's then!
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Symphoric posted:Is there a big difference in seat height between the two? I've never actually seen a 610/630 with my own eyes but they look enormously tall in pictures. My 610 feels lower than the DRZ. It feels lighter under me and I can get more of my foot down. I might be able to get a measurement for you but I'm in the UK right now and it's in Texas.
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Mar 23, 2011 00:05
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Thanks, that's pretty much all I wanted to know. Now I just need to find one in reasonable distance of this god forsaken hell-hole full of leather chaps, tasseled ape-hangers, gleaming chrome and deafeningly loud straight-piped Harleys.
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Mar 23, 2011 00:15
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The entire US?
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Mar 23, 2011 00:27
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Bondematt posted:The entire US? Well it's especially bad here. I had to convert an S-model DRZ to SM because it was impossible to find one for sale within 1000 miles at a reasonable price. I've never actually even seen another supermoto in the wild besides my own. Nobody who looks at it understands it, and when I tell people it's a supermoto they just stand and scratch their heads like they've never even heard the term before. Then they call me a human being, jump on their hog with their skanky toothless girlfriends and take off in a cloud of blue smoke and leaking oil.
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Mar 23, 2011 11:21
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Spiffness posted:Two SXV's then!
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Mar 23, 2011 13:34
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Symphoric posted:Nobody who looks at it understands it, and when I tell people it's a supermoto they just stand and scratch their heads like they've never even heard the term before. That sounds familiar. I get the same reaction from riders and random people alike. Occasionally it gets called a "dirt bike lookin' thing." Their first question is always "How fast can it go?" which means they completely do not understand the purpose of it.
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Mar 23, 2011 15:18
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Thats everyones first question about every bike though, followed by "can it wheelie" and "how much was it"
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Mar 23, 2011 15:22
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"I used to have a dual sport! Used to ride a plated XR350 around..."
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Mar 23, 2011 15:28
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Can I hang out here now? Sorry for the awful picture. I'm just too excited to wait until morning. It's a DRZ-400E so I already get the good carb, more compression and all that stuff. Plus it has forks off an RMZ-450, full Brembo brakes from hell and all sorts of other cool stuff. Now I just need a motorcycle licence.
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Mar 24, 2011 05:52
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And a 6th gear
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Mar 24, 2011 05:56
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-KTM-Duke-Super-Moto-Street-Fighter-CUSTOM-/120703760170?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1c1a81372a#v4-35 What do you guys think? Itd be my first bike. Also, would I be able to register it in california? Would there be any way around the 7500 mile rule? Im traveling with work, and have the option of registering it in chicago under my moms name. But id like it to be regestered in california at some point. I want to get a bike now, but im afraid it will be too much trouble to register. Anyway, I really like that Duke 
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Mar 28, 2011 06:57
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hedgegnome posted:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-KTM-Duke-Super-Moto-Street-Fighter-CUSTOM-/120703760170?pt=US_motorcycles&hash=item1c1a81372a#v4-35 I'd go for it. Looks righteous with the white wheels, just when I thought you couldn't make a white Duke 3 look better... Edit: as for first bike, it's a little hairy with the very direct throttle response the EFI gives. I had a 690 SMC as a first bike and if you're sensible it shouldn't be a problem. There is a throttle map selector somewhere, probably under the seat, I would set it to 'soft' until you get to grips with the bike. Even after 30 months of constant everyday riding I still use the soft setting when it gets snowy/icy. A 690 on the hardcore throttle setting will wheelie if you sneeze too hard. ReelBigLizard fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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Mar 28, 2011 12:01
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Do you have any previous riding experience? I wouldn't do it, half because it's going to be a pain to register it in CA, and half because you don't want something expensive as your first bike as a general rule. It's also more expensive than I'd recommend for a first bike, find something cheap, ride it around for 6 months to a year, and then go out and buy a bike based off of some riding experience rather than what looks good in the pictures. Also, distance riding on a single isn't for everyone. If you do buy it, definitely set it on the soft ignition setting. The upside to KTMs is that they're incredibly responsive bikes, the downside is they really don't work that well if you don't have the confidence and experience to tell it exactly what needs to be done.
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Mar 28, 2011 15:16
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My local italian bike dealer is saying that aprilia isn't importing the sxv anymore, or only in limited numbers. Is this a country wide thing or are they just being dumb?
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Apr 7, 2011 04:37
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Welp, after test riding both a Husky 610sm and the new 630, I've decided to just keep my DRZ. Sure, the Huskies were a little bit faster, lighter, better, but there's just some unexplainable feeling that made me wish I was back on the DRZ the whole time I was riding them. Almost like they were too serious/nice to gently caress around on without feeling guilty about it, and that's exactly what I DON'T want a supermoto to feel like. Maybe someday I'll take a step up to a KTM 690 or something, but til then I walked away more satisfied with the little 'zuki than ever.
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Apr 8, 2011 00:31
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Symphoric posted:Welp, after test riding both a Husky 610sm and the new 630, I've decided to just keep my DRZ. Sure, the Huskies were a little bit faster, lighter, better, but there's just some unexplainable feeling that made me wish I was back on the DRZ the whole time I was riding them. Almost like they were too serious/nice to gently caress around on without feeling guilty about it, and that's exactly what I DON'T want a supermoto to feel like. If you're getting a little antsy for that "new bike feeling" but still love your DRZ, might I recommend upgrading to the FCR39MX carb? Its really easy to put in, not that expensive esp if you buy used, and makes the bike feel completely different in all good ways without ruining the "easiest bike to ride ever"ness of the DRZ. Just don't break the carb slide and then spend the next 6 months trying to find the vacuum leak making the bike run like poo poo like I did.
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Apr 8, 2011 20:01
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Yeah, that is definitely on my list of mods to do now that I've decided to stick with the DRZ. But I figure I'll wait until after this riding season is over before I start doing things like tearing carbs off. Nothing sucks worse than seeing your bike in pieces scattered across the basement floor when it's a beautiful sunny day outside.
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Apr 8, 2011 20:52
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Symphoric posted:Yeah, that is definitely on my list of mods to do now that I've decided to stick with the DRZ. But I figure I'll wait until after this riding season is over before I start doing things like tearing carbs off. Nothing sucks worse than seeing your bike in pieces scattered across the basement floor when it's a beautiful sunny day outside. Shouldn't take more than a short afternoon to swap carbs out even if you haven't dealt with them before 
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Apr 8, 2011 21:04
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Symphoric posted:Welp, after test riding both a Husky 610sm and the new 630, I've decided to just keep my DRZ. Sure, the Huskies were a little bit faster, lighter, better, but there's just some unexplainable feeling that made me wish I was back on the DRZ the whole time I was riding them. Almost like they were too serious/nice to gently caress around on without feeling guilty about it, and that's exactly what I DON'T want a supermoto to feel like. The DRZ is just so rideable. It's forgiving and willing and totally flogable, which is what makes it such fun. The bigger KTMs are a lot more serious and sometimes that makes things less fun. needknees posted:Shouldn't take more than a short afternoon to swap carbs out even if you haven't dealt with them before It's a really, really tight fit on the DRZ. Really tight. Also sometimes it helps to move an engine mount. It also really helps to get rid of the oil box on the side and pipe those lines to the airbox. I'd probably say about 4-5 hours to do it the first time, if you don't have any previous experience with these things.
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Apr 8, 2011 21:12
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Z3n posted:The DRZ is just so rideable. It's forgiving and willing and totally flogable, which is what makes it such fun. Also, theres not a bike on the planet that crashes better. They shrug off most anything short of getting hit by a truck and the things actually look better beat up. Z3n posted:It's a really, really tight fit on the DRZ. Really tight. This. I feel like I'm gonna break something everytime I put it in or take it out. Its really not too difficult a process once you get over the feeling that you've gotta be doing something wrong if its this tight. Most of the first time for me was spent removing and replacing the throttle cables. Took forever to snake those things correctly for some reason. That and cleaning up all the gas I spilled all over my friend's garage. pr0zac fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 8, 2011 |
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Apr 8, 2011 22:28
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pr0zac posted:Also, theres not a bike on the planet that crashes better. They shrug off most anything short of getting hit by a truck and the things actually look better beat up. They're also surprisingly difficult to really crash hard. The KTM will put you on your rear end in a second if you're not careful, the DRZ is as forgiving as a 250. quote:This. I feel like I'm gonna break something everytime I put it in or take it out. Its really not too difficult a process once you get over the feeling that you've gotta be doing something wrong if its this tight. Did you move the engine mount on yours? I moved it to the left side, and routed the cables on the right, that prevented too much binding/sharp corners. And yeah, they're a bitch to route. And I found it easiest to put the intake to carb mount on the carb and shove it in that way, it flexes enough that you can get it in place. Then you tighten down the clamps.
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Apr 8, 2011 22:58
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Z3n posted:They're also surprisingly difficult to really crash hard. The KTM will put you on your rear end in a second if you're not careful, the DRZ is as forgiving as a 250. The thing with the high-end supermotos is you can just leave it stock in that case. Then when you get good at it you just change the jets and exhaust and double your horsepower.
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Apr 8, 2011 23:09
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Gnaghi posted:The thing with the high-end supermotos is you can just leave it stock in that case. Then when you get good at it you just change the jets and exhaust and double your horsepower. Double your HP on a 690SMC means it turns into this:   But yeah, the beauty of the KTM is that you don't really need more than 65hp.
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Apr 8, 2011 23:14
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Z3n posted:They're also surprisingly difficult to really crash hard. The KTM will put you on your rear end in a second if you're not careful, the DRZ is as forgiving as a 250. Care to elaborate here? Not that I'm disagreeing (because I've never ridden a DRZ yet) but my KTM 625 feels like a pretty "friendly" bike to ride and is certainly more floggable than any other bike I've ever ridden. What is it about a DRZ that makes it so much more forgiving?
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Apr 8, 2011 23:53
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FuzzyWuzzyBear posted:Care to elaborate here? Not that I'm disagreeing (because I've never ridden a DRZ yet) but my KTM 625 feels like a pretty "friendly" bike to ride and is certainly more floggable than any other bike I've ever ridden. What is it about a DRZ that makes it so much more forgiving? He's talking about the 690smc, which has a bit more power than our bikes but the big thing is that power is delivered in a much more abrupt fashion. Agreed, the 625 is very easy to ride hard because its powerband is linear and not very snatchy.
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Apr 9, 2011 00:00
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FuzzyWuzzyBear posted:Care to elaborate here? Not that I'm disagreeing (because I've never ridden a DRZ yet) but my KTM 625 feels like a pretty "friendly" bike to ride and is certainly more floggable than any other bike I've ever ridden. What is it about a DRZ that makes it so much more forgiving? I haven't had the chance to ride a 625 SM, but I have had the chance to ride a Duke with the same engine, and the engine and power delivery is night and day different. The 690SMC on the race map is instantly responsive, and with as much HP as it has, it's really easy for it to get away from you. It has the dubious honor of being the only bike I've ever ridden that I crashed on a test ride.  Was in a parking lot, grabbed what would be a small handful of throttle on the DRZ but was about 4k on the KTM and it went way sideways, back to the otherside, and then dumped me on my butt. Also, I 12 oclocked it in the first 6 inches of riding it. It's a serious bike. As to what makes the DRZ more forgiving? Less aggressive suspension setup, softer brakes, less power, a less responsive throttle, etc. A 690SMC is a perfect example of how everything can look great on paper as a newb bike but instead be totally insane. A DRZ is like a ninja 250, a KTM690SMC is like a literbike. They also have a 10 position switch that'll move you between rain, street, and race ignition maps, (you can load other maps into the other 7 slots) with huge differences in throttle response between the maps. Most people are running theirs on "rain" because that's how it comes from the factory (most likely to pass emissions), and they don't understand how much of the bike's character changes with the different maps.
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Apr 9, 2011 00:18
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Z3n posted:Was in a parking lot, grabbed what would be a small handful of throttle on the DRZ but was about 4k on the KTM and it went way sideways, back to the otherside, and then dumped me on my butt. Also, I 12 oclocked it in the first 6 inches of riding it. I have to ride this motorcycle now.
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Apr 9, 2011 00:53
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FuzzyWuzzyBear posted:I have to ride this motorcycle now. In fairness, it was exacerbated by Zool's levers being adjusted all crazy, but it's still my fuckup that put it on the ground. The bike's really, REALLY responsive, so you gotta be super careful what you tell it. Also, any sort of aftermarket exhaust ruins the engine, because it's impossible to tune it properly at the moment. Dealerships will load in Akro maps but that's not enough when you're dealing with a high strung single, it just murders the midrange which makes the top end hit feel harder. Not what you want. 65HP is pushing the effective limits of the wheelbase/weight distribution, you can BP a wheelie off throttle alone in 5th gear...on flat ground. Z3n fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 9, 2011 |
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Apr 9, 2011 01:03
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Z3n posted:65HP is pushing the effective limits of the wheelbase, you can BP a wheelie off throttle alone in 5th gear...on flat ground. You are not helping my lust for this motorcycle.  
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Apr 9, 2011 01:59
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I'm looking for a used DRZ to import to Canada, what's the upper limit for mileage on them? prices don't seem to dip appreciably below 3500$ regardless of year, condition or mileage and they don't seem to be drastically different from 2006 onwards. So is older better than higher mileage all other tinhs being equal?
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Apr 9, 2011 02:08
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Eamonn posted:I'm looking for a used DRZ to import to Canada, what's the upper limit for mileage on them? prices don't seem to dip appreciably below 3500$ regardless of year, condition or mileage and they don't seem to be drastically different from 2006 onwards. So is older better than higher mileage all other tinhs being equal? The DRZ never changed at all other than plastic colors and stickers so yeah older with lower mileage is preferable.
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Z3n posted:It has the dubious honor of being the only bike I've ever ridden that I crashed on a test ride. or else 
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There is the matter of that dent in your front wheel that wasn't there pre-Z3ns ride...
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Z3n posted:The DRZ is just so rideable. It's forgiving and willing and totally flogable, which is what makes it such fun. The bigger KTMs are a lot more serious and sometimes that makes things less fun. Yeah, it's just a downright fun bike. It's like the little dog that always wants to play and please its master. Other dogs might be faster and stronger but they'll bite your face off if you pat em in the wrong spot. In related news, took my first street ride of the season today. 35 miles and I'm cold enough that I'm just now getting to straighten my hands out of the bar-claw position. Love the DRZ, hate New England weather.
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So I'm probably going to be doing an SM trackday on Tuesday around a go-kart track on a friend's boyfriend's race KTM 'tard (a 500something). Should be interesting. And by interesting, I mean I'm guessing I'm going to be embarrass myself/be totally embarrassed. 2ndclasscitizen fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 10, 2011 |
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Apr 10, 2011 06:35
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2ndclasscitizen posted:So I'm probably going to be doing an SM trackday on Tuesday around a go-kart track on a friend's boyfriend's race KTM 'tard (a 500something). Should be interesting. You'll have a blast. Does it have a slipper clutch? Try backing it in, carefully 
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No idea about a slipper, but I'm guessing it woukd since he races it. Ignoring backing it in, what's the best way to ride it? I've never ridden a tard before. You're supposed to sit right forward yes?
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Must be a 525, which stock doesn't have a slipper clutch. Be sure to ask before you head out onto the track, as having one and not having one is two completely different styles of hard corner entry. With slipper clutch: Approach corner like a mad man. Smash on front brake while at the same time dropping X number of gears, drop clutch, let god (the clutch) sort it out. Without slipper clutch: Do the same, but don't just drop the clutch, you have to slip it back out so as to not hop the rear wheel as the wheel speed goes to match the road speed. A teeny bit of rear brake can also help smooth this out. 525's are beasts, especially on slicks/DOT race tires on a track. Give it a few laps for the tires to warm up and then you should be dragging peg and power sliding to your hearts content.
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