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Marx
Oct 24, 2003

This was the greatest day of my life. Finally I could stand on my soapbox and tell you American scum that you got exactly what you deserved.
P.S. Sorry Osama that Americans were not compassionate enough to take you in peacefully. You deserved better.

invision posted:

drat. How many did you guys lose?

We're down twelve guys, 5% pay cut across the board with extra taken out of medic pay, have to pay in more for benefits. So my current take home is almost on par with our local commercial EMS counterpart - which I had left to get that sweet municipal crude.

:smith:

senor punk posted:

Along the same lines, the city has initiated the process to try and erase EMT and paramedic civil service titles and replace them with noncompetitive titles. They're going to try to take away our benefits and job security.

This poo poo sucks, I mean, the understanding has to come some time that you get what you pay for?

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senor punk
Nov 6, 2003

Keep the faith, baby.

Marx posted:

This poo poo sucks, I mean, the understanding has to come some time that you get what you pay for?

Seriously. My partner today was someone who is involved in union stuff and knew a bit about it. It's actually more complicated than I thought. They are actually slowly doing the same process for lots of city jobs, with the goal being making it more like private industry, where people can actually be fired for incompetence. Depending on the way things go it may actually not be terrible, but that's me putting a lot of faith into it, which is obviously naive.

Crazy Dutchman
Oct 20, 2004

invision posted:

e:I was going to PM you, but you don't have platinum or they aren't turned on. Do you have an email I could get?

spacecadet726 *at* gmail
make sure you put something about SA in the subject as this is my spam email and I dump a lot of it into trash

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?

Crazy Dutchman posted:

spacecadet726 *at* gmail
make sure you put something about SA in the subject as this is my spam email and I dump a lot of it into trash


Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

spacecadet726@gmail.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary spaces.

:(

Crazy Dutchman
Oct 20, 2004
herp derp, that email address is at yahoo, not gmail

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Sent. Subject is like "sa forums poster invision" or something else equally stupid.

smooth.operator
Sep 27, 2004
Just finished week 1 of training. 11 weeks to go before I go out on to the floor. Boring HR stuff for the most part this week but did get to do some SCBA work on Friday. Fun stuff starts next week!!!

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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God, I hate the rubber boots.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Are leathers really that much better?

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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invision posted:

Are leathers really that much better?

Yes.

Loco179
May 18, 2008

invision posted:

Are leathers really that much better?

Oh god yes! Take it from someone who spends 8-12 hours a shift in them.

Crazy Dutchman
Oct 20, 2004
If they didn't supply us with leather boots, I would buy my own.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Im sold. Any recommendations?

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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invision posted:

Im sold. Any recommendations?

Your best bet is to see if you can try on some of the leathers laying around your FD. They're just like any other footwear where they can be pretty specific to the foot.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
All we have are the rubber boots. Theres not a single person with leathers. :(

Loco179
May 18, 2008
This is our current "upgrade" spec boots. I have had these for like 4 months now with no issues. I will more than likely get another pair in a few months.

http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_6421_globe_footgear_supreme_14_structural_fire_boot_pull_on_nfpa/


Dude your feet will thank you so much. Last shift got out of the shower and had to put boot on without socks! In our rubber boots that would have destroyed my feet. I spent the next 2 hours with comfortable feet.

Story time! We mostly wear shorts as duty uniform. We had multiple tornadoes touch down. So basically I spent the next 14 hours walking and working in destroyed buildings and deep water. We did everything from searching collapse zones to large area building clearings. Everyone with rubber boots feet were destroyed. Rub marks on my legs were huge and painful.

IMHO boots, gloves and a good hood are the best investments you can make.


Hands down best fire gloves made at the moment. No liner to pull, actual being able to use your hands when wet, and does not get hard after drying.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb3446174.htm

Get a longer hood than normal. Trust me neck burns suck rear end.


DO NOT GET THAT PRETTY LEATHER HELMET until you get this stuff. Get stuff to make your job easier.

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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Leathers are great, but DO NOT WEAR THEM AT FUEL SPILLS OR WIRES DOWN CALLS! This can't be stressed enough, I think. I kept my rubbers nearby for those calls.

Crazy Dutchman
Oct 20, 2004
I've worn both the Pro Warrington and Globe pull ons (not sure of exact models. I preferred the Pros, just because they fit my feet better.

senor punk
Nov 6, 2003

Keep the faith, baby.
IIRC what my former department used (Kashew will correct me if I'm wrong) were Pro Warringtons. They were like slippers.

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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senor punk posted:

IIRC what my former department used (Kashew will correct me if I'm wrong) were Pro Warringtons. They were like slippers.


I google imagesearched those and I think that's right. They are...so nice.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Well, took a "firefighter-specific" civil service test for a DFW-area FD this weekend. Some of the questions were pretty :psyduck:.

Things like

Choose both the best AND worst answer:
"Fireman Steve is making inappropriate jokes about a victim during an EMS call in front of the victims family. Do you:

A.Say nothing, but tell your captain then request a station transfer
B.Yell at Steve
C.Explain to the family that this is how firefighters deal with stress
D.Join in, for camaraderie."

A lot of the questions like that had "socially correct" answers and "by-the-book correct" answers. Oh well, we'll see how I did in about a week.

senor punk
Nov 6, 2003

Keep the faith, baby.

invision posted:

Well, took a "firefighter-specific" civil service test for a DFW-area FD this weekend. Some of the questions were pretty :psyduck:.

Things like

Choose both the best AND worst answer:
"Fireman Steve is making inappropriate jokes about a victim during an EMS call in front of the victims family. Do you:

A.Say nothing, but tell your captain then request a station transfer
B.Yell at Steve
C.Explain to the family that this is how firefighters deal with stress
D.Join in, for camaraderie."

A lot of the questions like that had "socially correct" answers and "by-the-book correct" answers. Oh well, we'll see how I did in about a week.


This sounds a lot like what FDNY did on their last exam. It was bullshit, since there often multiple right answers. It hosed me up since I thought way too much about some and made bad choices after reading too much into some of the questions.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?

senor punk posted:

This sounds a lot like what FDNY did on their last exam. It was bullshit, since there often multiple right answers. It hosed me up since I thought way too much about some and made bad choices after reading too much into some of the questions.

Exactly. There were multiple "correct" answers, but it's basically impossible to determine which one is the most correct without more context.

I'm scared that I screwed it up due to overthinking also. Oh well, we'll see.

e:Also the last ~60 questions were all personality-quiz stuff, like "Would you describe yourself as a self starter?"

Whoever designed the test needs to quit their job.

invision fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Mar 28, 2011

senor punk
Nov 6, 2003

Keep the faith, baby.

invision posted:

Whoever designed the test needs to quit their job.

Incorrect. It was designed to be that way. In massive attempts to erase all "bias" the tests are becoming more and more of a personality/psychology test than anything to do with reading comprehension or math/mechanical skills.

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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Were any of those choices a "best answer"? They were all terrible choices. Where's the "Politely tell Steve to be quiet, and apologize profusely on behalf of the department to the family" choice?

Revolvyerom
Nov 12, 2005

Hell yes, tell him we're plenty front right now.
Maybe it's another form of a personality question, rather than a right/wrong answer?

Loco179
May 18, 2008
Always take the ones with the chain of command answers. Just saying. Slow shift at work today. Only 5 runs and Hazmat training today so far. I cannot wait till it gets warmer.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?

Loco179 posted:

Always take the ones with the chain of command answers. Just saying. Slow shift at work today. Only 5 runs and Hazmat training today so far. I cannot wait till it gets warmer.

Hazmat training has been pretty boring for me so far. I'm still waiting on someone to schedule me for the technician class though; I heard it's actually pretty interesting.


e:Since we've been talking about gear lately, what kind of helmet lights do you guys use? I'm thinking about getting a new one since my wal-mart energizer LED headlight melted. I saw a pretty neat looking one on the internet a while back that used the blackjack holder, and had a blue LED on the back of the flashlight to make it easier for people to follow you, but it was like $130+.

invision fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Mar 30, 2011

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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invision posted:

Hazmat training has been pretty boring for me so far. I'm still waiting on someone to schedule me for the technician class though; I heard it's actually pretty interesting.

The NYS one was more boring than high school chem in the classroom.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Well, test results came in. I was ~65 out of 460 . They only let the top 50 take the agility test, but use the rest of the list for hiring for a year. So maybe there's still hope. (I did a little better than I was expecting, to be honest.)

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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invision posted:

Well, test results came in. I was ~65 out of 460 . They only let the top 50 take the agility test, but use the rest of the list for hiring for a year. So maybe there's still hope. (I did a little better than I was expecting, to be honest.)

From what I've seen, unless you're like top 10, you're going to just be on that list for a year and that's that.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

I DIDN'T GET ENOUGH RAPE LAST TIME, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?
Yeah, that's what I figured would happen.

In other news, the town next to us had an oil well blow out today. You can see smoke like 50 miles away.

senor punk
Nov 6, 2003

Keep the faith, baby.
Agonizing over list position isn't going to get you anywhere, just keep searching for jobs and trying to do things that will improve your outlook. Also people wash out for lots of different reasons, so they could easily go through the first 50 candidates faster than you think.

senor punk fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Apr 1, 2011

Loco179
May 18, 2008

invision posted:




e:Since we've been talking about gear lately, what kind of helmet lights do you guys use? I'm thinking about getting a new one since my wal-mart energizer LED headlight melted. I saw a pretty neat looking one on the internet a while back that used the blackjack holder, and had a blue LED on the back of the flashlight to make it easier for people to follow you, but it was like $130+.


Do not be that guy. Seriously. Get a good chest light like this

http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_4295_streamlight_survivor_led_4aa_alkaline_model/

Crazy Dutchman
Oct 20, 2004

invision posted:

Well, test results came in. I was ~65 out of 460 . They only let the top 50 take the agility test, but use the rest of the list for hiring for a year. So maybe there's still hope. (I did a little better than I was expecting, to be honest.)

Thats actually pretty good. Remember that all those people have to pass physical agility, interviews, polys, background checks, psych tests, etc. Those can weed a lot of people out.

invision
Mar 2, 2009

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E/N POST AHEAD

You know, today has been a pretty lovely day all around. Work sucked pretty bad, then the fire meeting today pissed me off pretty bad due to some stupid fire station politics. Got home, was going over the day and how upset I was about what had happened. Then we got toned out for a fire, and suddenly everything's cool now. I absolutely love this job.

But it got me thinking about WHY we do it. I realize everyone has different reasons for being in the fire service, and I'd really like to get a discussion going about why we spend out free time volunteering to fight fires, or why people decided to go paid.

For me, it's honestly the feeling of helping people. I really, absolutely enjoy that. Then there's always the huge adrenaline rush of running into a burning structure fire, etc etc. I feel like a lot of people in my department do it just to be able to say "YUP IM A FARFAGHTER" or whatever, but I really hope that it's an exception to the rule. That's not to say that I don't love the adrenaline, or the experience itself, because I absolutely do.

SO.
Why do you guys do it? Do you think that peoples motivation and reasons as to WHY they do it play any part into how good of a firefighter they are? Do the "yep im a firefighter look at all of my bumper stickers and sweet VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER SHIRTS" go against the ideals of the fire service?

Maybe this is a dumb post, but I'd love to hear other peoples opinions on the matter.

Dim, Tired, and Elderly
Mar 25, 2004

ur ded
gently caress bitches and get paid. That's why I do it.

Val Helmethead
Apr 24, 2009

Pittsburgh is stored in the balls.

Dim, Tired, and Elderly posted:

gently caress bitches and get paid. That's why I do it.

Because it's the only legitimate reason to have a mustache besides "80's Porn Star" or "Midwestern Child Molester".

That and my regular job really isn't fulfilling, so I get to be proud of something that I do. Oh, yeah, and I get to play with all kinds of neat things.

Kashew
Feb 1, 2009
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CELEBRITY IN TURNOUT GEAR SPOTTED!

Mark Sanchez, NY Jets QB spotted training with the Orange County FD




He's got a whole bunch of pictures up on his twitter, like:

http://t.co/hGE2Drj

http://t.co/HUuZP58


And yes, we do celebrity spottings now...because why not.

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Val Helmethead
Apr 24, 2009

Pittsburgh is stored in the balls.

Kashew posted:

CELEBRITY IN TURNOUT GEAR SPOTTED!

Mark Sanchez, NY Jets QB spotted training with the Orange County FD





That is the ugliest helmet/shield I've ever seen.

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