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PoptartsNinja posted:They then come back down in the fire, since the parachute only takes them so far and 'Mech ejector seats are designed to keep pilots from being dangling targets for more than a few seconds. They don't get launched very high. Actually, all that hot air Slaan mentioned means that the parachute may actually push up for a few moments, potentially moving the ejection seat laterally away from the fire.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Actually, all that hot air Slaan mentioned means that the parachute may actually push up for a few moments, potentially moving the ejection seat laterally away from the fire. According to that logic, Caesar Steiner could use a parachute to travel the world. That is, if his tremendous bulk doesn't get him stuck in his mech's ejection chute. drat, I wish we could have a series of humiliating/cheesy Caesar "Slob" Steiner cartoons... 
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This is what I always visualize. If I was any good at image editing at all I'd have the shirt read "Nagelring" and change that flag, but I'm not.
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Did somebody say wrestling? It's a Cyclops but it's still awesome  
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The Casualty posted:Did somebody say wrestling? It's a Cyclops but it's still awesome Very nice, much better than mine. Though I swear I've seen that Loki backshot somewhere...
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I just noticed something.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I just noticed something. Indeed, sir, that's the same fine piece of cinema wherein my earlier quote did originate.
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Apr 13, 2011 21:20
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Normal ejection is often just the mechwarrior climbing out a hatch and jumping in certain mech's cases. Note that PTN said mechs are "resistant". That's very different to "immune".
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Arquinsiel posted:Note that PTN said mechs are "resistant". That's very different to "immune".
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Armor breach in/on fire? Nothing special happens! Armor breach in/under water? Section destroyed! Because batteries, fusion engines, weapons, capacitors, ammo, and myomers are all fireproof; but get a little water on them and they're instantly useless.
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Clearly it is because of the massive change in pressure that comes from standing in 5 feet of water.  Also the fact that endo-steel is made out of those packing pellets that dissolve when they get wet.
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goatface posted:Can you equip a mech with water cannon? Yes, as an anti-riot/firefighting weapon. It does no damage.
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goatface posted:Can you equip a mech with water cannon? I'd just houserule that poo poo. Oh, man, PTN. Can we get a civil unrest scenario with tear-gas SRMs and load the MGs with rubber bullets at some point? It would be really compelling narrative from the protestors side.
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LeschNyhan posted:I'd just houserule that poo poo. Or... not. 
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>Arm all civilians with water balloons >Have all civilians attack mech >Wait for TAC >Enjoy watching water do its work
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LeschNyhan posted:I'd just houserule that poo poo. If the SRMs were set to airburst, maybe. The MGs, however, wouldn't be a very good idea imo. Why? Normal MG rounds (which are possibly moving at >= 2700 ft/s) are big enough to damage mechs, however minimal that damage is. .50 Cal. rubber bullets would still probably be lethal to said protesters (and would inflict serious injuries if not).
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landcollector posted:If the SRMs were set to airburst, maybe. The MGs, however, wouldn't be a very good idea imo. Why? Normal MG rounds (which are possibly moving at >= 2700 ft/s) are big enough to damage mechs, however minimal that damage is. .50 Cal. rubber bullets would still probably be lethal to said protesters (and would inflict serious injuries if not). Giant robot battles is not exactly realistic either.
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LeschNyhan posted:Giant robot battles is not exactly realistic either. Either way, I'd leave riot control to either local police or more conventional militia forces. Using mech mounted MGs just feels like overkill to me...
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landcollector posted:Either way, I'd leave riot control to either local police or more conventional militia forces. Using mech mounted MGs just feels like overkill to me... It's done all the time. Minus the 'rubber bullets' part. The Successor States are not a nice place to riot. Hell, on Hachiman in the Draconis Combine, the only way to tell the difference between a 'street party' and a 'riot' is that during a riot you can hear the local police firing their automatic shotguns into the crowds.
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PoptartsNinja posted:It's done all the time. Minus the 'rubber bullets' part. The Successor States are not a nice place to riot. The street party being the one with the shotguns, and the riot the one without. We party hard in Snakeville.
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Taking the other stance for a moment, I wonder if it would be possible for Rubber rounds to be created for a Heavy Gauss Rifle (or any Gauss Rifle...). Probably not, as the firing mechanism requires a ferrous projectile to propel out the barrel. A close substitute would be goatface's idea. LB 20-X ACs using mech caliber rubber buckshot. Be prepared for carnage however... PoptartsNinja posted:It's done all the time. Minus the 'rubber bullets' part. The Successor States are not a nice place to riot. Well...drat. I guess that is what one can expect from the DC, though.
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landcollector posted:Taking the other stance for a moment, I wonder if it would be possible for Rubber rounds to be created for a Heavy Gauss Rifle (or any Gauss Rifle...). Probably not, as the firing mechanism requires a ferrous projectile to propel out the barrel. A close substitute would be goatface's idea. LB 20-X ACs using mech caliber rubber buckshot. Be prepared for carnage however... Discarding ferrous sabot, perhaps? Still, anything that comes out of a goddamn railgun is not going to leave happy, or living, people on the receiving end.
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TildeATH posted:Let's all keep in mind that by inventing Steiner Rules, just so a single commander could buy some time for a practically meaningless fight, you've ensured that an entire army of honor-obsessed invaders will never trust anyone with a Steiner fist on their mech, ever again. Eh, he did tell them that many of the less experienced Steiner units fail to understand the rules. Flimsy? Yeah, but it's still an excuse. landcollector posted:Either way, I'd leave riot control to either local police or more conventional militia forces. Using mech mounted MGs just feels like overkill to me... And that's why you mount a water cannon and tear gas SRM on it. Well, unless you're the Cappellan Confederation (under Mad Max, Romano or Kali) or the Draconis Combine. "Crowd control? Isn't that what the Firestarter is for?" 
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^^^ Yes, actually, that's one of the Firestarter's intended roles. The Firestarter is an interesting 'Mech that someone should do an advert for; since the flamers are designed to easily be swapped out with water cannons for firefighting work; and coolant sprayers for battlefield "triage" on an overheated 'Mech. Magni posted:Eh, he did tell them that many of the less experienced Steiner units fail to understand the rules. Flimsy? Yeah, but it's still an excuse. Clanners judge honor on a unit-by-unit basis. For example, you'd be hard-pressed to find a front-line Clanner willing to honor a request for a duel from the Steel Vipers' Psi ("problem 'Mechwarrior" dezegra trash) Galaxy, AKA 'Psink Galaxy'. Because it's where you sink all your 'problems'. Clanners: The nail that stands out gets rewarded. The nail that stands out in the wrong direction gets to be a suicide trooper.
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Plus if you're on about "less experienced units," when you are Caesar's Legion there are nothing but less experienced units. The regiment predates the drat Commonwealth by 200 years.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Only 'Mechs and <Redacted> are fire resistant in the grim-dark world of 3032. That settles it <Redacted> are clearly demons created from pure evil. Summoned from hell itself. Only the staunch followers of blake can stop them Edit: or its The Stig. Popy fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Apr 14, 2011 |
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Popy posted:That settles it <Redacted> are clearly demons created from pure evil. Summoned from hell itself. Pretty much, yeah. Just wait until someone actually faces them in an actual fight. They're loving scary as hell.
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Popy posted:That settles it <Redacted> are clearly demons created from pure evil. Summoned from hell itself. Only the staunch followers of blake can stop them That's what I've been saying!
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WarLocke posted:Pretty much, yeah. Just wait until someone actually faces them in an actual fight. They're loving scary as hell. This video describes the probable reaction from newbies when they first appear on the field of battle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJUzmhiYsrU Appropriate section starts at 0:11. Replace "the bees" with "the <Redacted>".
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Clearly, the only way to use a mech to quell urban unrest is to mount up an Atlas and send it to stare down the riot. Seriously, anyone with fewer than three testes will simply wither under the awesome and manly gaze of 100 tons of nuclear-powered, Durallex-plated Over-Compensation.
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Veyrall posted:Clearly, the only way to use a mech to quell urban unrest is to mount up an Atlas and send it to stare down the riot. Seriously, anyone with fewer than three testes will simply wither under the awesome and manly gaze of 100 tons of nuclear-powered, Durallex-plated Over-Compensation. Just watch out, because Cassie Suthorn might be in that crowd.
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Just watch out, because Cassie Suthorn might be in that crowd. At least we know who won't be in that crowd. The children of the Caballeros.  (See? We're not monsters. We saved them from being murdered by riot-suppressing Assault mechs!)
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Just watch out, because Cassie Suthorn might be in that crowd. Cassie is 2 years old in the PTN-verse. Someone step on her with a big mech, please.
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I've done some more toying around with SSW, messing around with the piloting and gunnery values in the print preview menu, and I've discovered that they have a multiplier effect on a mech's effective BV. Take a pilot of Natasha Kerensky's caliber (0/0 in canon timeline, TBA in PTN timeline) and stick her in (for example) a Mad Cat Mk. II. That one action increases the effective BV from ~3100 to somewhere around or above 9000 (I am not invoking that particular meme, and shame on anyone who is thinking that...) which is higher than quite a few military dropships. Think about that. Some Examples: Union-C class: BV = 7955 Union class: BV = 3962 Fortress: BV = 4798 (the upgrade's BV is 6072) Titan class: BV = 8080 There are a few dropship classes that are still higher, though: Pentagon class: BV = 12658 Finally, here are two so-called dropships (more like dedicated warships...) that have ludicrous BVs- Arondight class: BV = 28,819 Tiamat class: BV = 50,146
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landcollector posted:I've done some more toying around with SSW, messing around with the piloting and gunnery values in the print preview menu, and I've discovered that they have a multiplier effect on a mech's effective BV. Take a pilot of Natasha Kerensky's caliber (0/0 in canon timeline, TBA in PTN timeline) and stick her in (for example) a Mad Cat Mk. II. That one action increases the effective BV from ~3100 to somewhere around or above 9000 (I am not invoking that particular meme, and shame on anyone who is thinking that...) which is higher than quite a few military dropships. Think about that. BVs aren't an absolute measure of anything, it's an approximation so people can come up with "fair" opposing forces quicker. One thing that BV doesn't take into account is terrain and environment. For example, that madcat isn't going to be much use in deep space and that union will probably cause a breach in a single salvo.
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Longinus00 posted:BVs aren't an absolute measure of anything, it's an approximation so people can come up with "fair" opposing forces quicker. One thing that BV doesn't take into account is terrain and environment. For example, that madcat isn't going to be much use in deep space and that union will probably cause a breach in a single salvo. Still, I felt it was worthy of some note, especially if said union is on a planet. Trust me, I am aware of the variables you have mentioned.
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landcollector posted:I've done some more toying around with SSW, messing around with the piloting and gunnery values in the print preview menu, and I've discovered that they have a multiplier effect on a mech's effective BV. Take a pilot of Natasha Kerensky's caliber (0/0 in canon timeline, TBA in PTN timeline) and stick her in (for example) a Mad Cat Mk. II. That one action increases the effective BV from ~3100 to somewhere around or above 9000 (I am not invoking that particular meme, and shame on anyone who is thinking that...) which is higher than quite a few military dropships. Think about that. Guess those Clanners were onto something when they said they would have needed a whole Star of REDACTED to take on a Dispossessed Kai Allard-Liao. E: Whoops, misremembered my BT novels. 
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landcollector posted:Still, I felt it was worthy of some note, especially if said union is on a planet. Trust me, I am aware of the variables you have mentioned. If the Union is landed and the Madcat pilot isn't an idiot then the union will never hit the Madcat. The Madcat (most versions anyway) outranges the Union. If you want to make it funny then put a 2/8 Fortress upgrade against a 0/0 Madcat and see which comes out on top. Longinus00 fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Apr 14, 2011 |
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