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VikingSkull posted:Honestly if we're looking to expose them to the most people, two in the Northeast is kinda needed. One sixth of the US lives here, and most of them are reliant on mass transit. I understand where you're coming from, but even with mass transit it's pretty easy to get to DC from NY, isn't it? Maybe as a courtesy to quell some of the unpopularity, before the Smithsonian (or other facilities) take their orbiters, they should do a country tour to facilities that have an appropriate hanger for a while first, kind of like how Enterprise did tours before it got put into the Smithsonian. That way more people in the country could drive to visit them before they're put away for good. Just an idea.
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Apr 14, 2011 01:13
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MrChips posted:I wouldn't call any CRJ an old rattletrap - they're all under 20 years old (that one in particular was built in 2003). I will admit, they're not the best from a passenger's perspective, especially the CRJ-100/200 family.
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Apr 14, 2011 01:39
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Fayez Butts posted:You gotta understand just how huge the A380 is. Doing some very rough math, and seeing that it looks like it was the very tip of the wing that hit that jet, the pilots were around 300 feet away from the point of impact. That's loving crazy. After looking at the video it appears to me that the F150 that came from left to right probably caused the RJ to slow it's roll into the stand and in doing so the clearance the A380 crew thought they had was lost. Also, I bet that made a cool sound. 
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Apr 14, 2011 01:59
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slidebite posted:I understand where you're coming from, but even with mass transit it's pretty easy to get to DC from NY, isn't it? I wouldn't be against that. In fact, let's organize an effort to get the Intrepid seaworthy again and we can let her set sail for 6 months out of the year. Hopefully it can get up the Mississippi. As far as mass transit being easy in the NE corridor, only if you're rich. A regular train trip still takes hours. There's only one high speed line, and it's not all that efficient. NY to DC isn't bad, Boston to DC? Ugh.
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VikingSkull posted:NY to DC isn't bad, Boston to DC? Ugh. I've done Baltimore BWI all the way to Boston, that was rough. I still want to try riding the ACELA sometime. Its cool as poo poo to see that thing go flying through the station.
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Apr 14, 2011 03:17
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Advent Horizon posted:Are the carrier aircraft going anywhere other than the desert? The 747s? They'll probably be modified to do another job. Maybe restored to normal trim and sold.
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Apr 14, 2011 03:20
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Godholio posted:The 747s? They'll probably be modified to do another job. Maybe restored to normal trim and sold. They'll probably be scrapped, sadly. They're too big for any museum, and since they've been modified so extensively it would cost far too much to return them to their originally certified condition, especially considering both SCAs are 747-100s (one is formerly a 747SR, but that is essentially a -100 anyways) and have little commercial value these days.
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Apr 14, 2011 03:53
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MrChips posted:They'll probably be scrapped, sadly. They're too big for any museum, and since they've been modified so extensively it would cost far too much to return them to their originally certified condition, especially considering both SCAs are 747-100s (one is formerly a 747SR, but that is essentially a -100 anyways) and have little commercial value these days. Local airport near my family's house has some huge NASA prop plane parked out front... someone will probably have a place for it.
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Apr 14, 2011 04:01
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MrChips posted:They'll probably be scrapped, sadly. They're too big for any museum, and since they've been modified so extensively it would cost far too much to return them to their originally certified condition, especially considering both SCAs are 747-100s (one is formerly a 747SR, but that is essentially a -100 anyways) and have little commercial value these days. I think it's more likely that NASA will either convert them to carry something else or mothball them (maybe at DM) until they have something worth carrying. I don't see these really getting scrapped, and I agree they'll never end up in a museum...they're just not interesting enough on their own for most people (even most aviation museum patrons). Maybe as a combined exhibit with an orbiter, but I doubt it.
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MrChips posted:They'll probably be scrapped, sadly. They're too big for any museum, and since they've been modified so extensively it would cost far too much to return them to their originally certified condition, especially considering both SCAs are 747-100s (one is formerly a 747SR, but that is essentially a -100 anyways) and have little commercial value these days. Dayton has plenty of room.
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Godholio posted:Maybe as a combined exhibit with an orbiter, but I doubt it. Shoe-horning that next to Intrepid would probably be a fun trick though.
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Apr 14, 2011 05:53
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MrChips posted:They'll probably be scrapped, sadly. They're too big for any museum, and since they've been modified so extensively it would cost far too much to return them to their originally certified condition, especially considering both SCAs are 747-100s (one is formerly a 747SR, but that is essentially a -100 anyways) and have little commercial value these days. Didn't some beltway bandit use one a couple months ago for their super secret space plane poo poo?
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MrChips posted:I wouldn't call any CRJ an old rattletrap - they're all under 20 years old (that one in particular was built in 2003). I will admit, they're not the best from a passenger's perspective, especially the CRJ-100/200 family. I just hate 'em because I can't stand up straight in the middle of the aisle. Compare and contrast with the MD-11 I rode on Monday, where I could just barely touch the ceiling in the aisle.
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slidebite posted:I understand where you're coming from, but even with mass transit it's pretty easy to get to DC from NY, isn't it? D.C. and NYC are like a million miles away. There's no difference between taking Accela and flying, both in travel time and ticket price. The Amtrak is around 5 hours, pretty close to driving. So besides being a significant distance to travel, both cities have dedicated Air & Space museums that get way more tourism than any other place in the US, even more than Kennedy Space Center. I think it makes sense to give them each one.
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slidebite posted:Seriously, one of those with Enterprise mounted on the back would be perfect considering that's how it spent most of its active service. Okay, I was giving the people from Dayton and Seattle a bit of poo poo for their whining in the GBS thread, but I'd love to see either get Enterprise and a 747 for exactly this purpose now. You wouldn't even need the mate/demate tools when you get there, so it would probably be the cheapest to transfer!
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Mr.Peabody posted:D.C. and NYC are like a million miles away. There's no difference between taking Accela and flying, both in travel time and ticket price. The Amtrak is around 5 hours, pretty close to driving. So besides being a significant distance to travel, both cities have dedicated Air & Space museums that get way more tourism than any other place in the US, even more than Kennedy Space Center. I think it makes sense to give them each one. OK, it's not a 15 minute bus ride but it's still a lot closer to each other than pretty much every major metro area in the US to a shuttle. slidebite fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 14, 2011 |
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ApathyGifted posted:You wouldn't even need the mate/demate tools when you get there, so it would probably be the cheapest to transfer!
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Godholio posted:I think it's more likely that NASA will either convert them to carry something else or mothball them (maybe at DM) until they have something worth carrying. I don't see these really getting scrapped, and I agree they'll never end up in a museum...they're just not interesting enough on their own for most people (even most aviation museum patrons). I don't see them being converted to anything else. They're both old as gently caress and have been extensively modified to carry orbiters. On top of that, they had commercial lives before NASA bought them. I'd like to see a shuttle farewell tour. Bring one around to all the major air shows. Race the unlimiteds around it like a pylon
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Titan Is are pretty Aeronautically Insane, right?                    Best Thursday morning ever!
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BonzoESC posted:I just hate 'em because I can't stand up straight in the middle of the aisle. Compare and contrast with the MD-11 I rode on Monday, where I could just barely touch the ceiling in the aisle. we just got the forward section of a 100 donated to my school's AME S program; a timed out United craft.
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FullMetalJacket posted:we just got the forward section of a 100 donated to my school's AME S program; a timed out United craft. AA donated a MD-80 to a local aviation school last year: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/13/1628667/planes-road-trip-jet-faces-tricky.html http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=n9...g.1&FORM=LMLTCC The school is the one with planes in its parking lot; the airport is immediately west past the roads and tiny parking lot.
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that's some cool stuff, they must have a nice setup down there. The S program moved from Sault Ste Marie to London, On 2 years ago. The college built a new motive transport building to house automotive mechanical & body plus diesel, heavy equipment and farm equipment so it's only now that my instructors have room for the cool/big stuff beyond fuselages of 152, 172 210, Zlin and DA 20. Apparently there's more complete airframes to come including a helo. They also want to move the whole program to the airport and add an E program, but that's not likely to happen within the next few years. I was learning rib stitching on wed, and got it down pat, but the starting/end knot is a bitch. I'd like to specialize in composites and do my module 1-3 so I can sign off repairs and do the same with wooden/tubular/fabric structures. *lusts after a MD 570 NOTAR* 
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Godholio posted:I think it's more likely that NASA will either convert them to carry something else or mothball them (maybe at DM) until they have something worth carrying. I don't see these really getting scrapped, and I agree they'll never end up in a museum...they're just not interesting enough on their own for most people (even most aviation museum patrons). Maybe as a combined exhibit with an orbiter, but I doubt it. They should at least pull the mounting brackets and send them to museums. 
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Boomerjinks posted:Titan Is are pretty Aeronautically Insane, right? Goddamn it. Everything you ever post, I want to do.
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Boomerjinks posted:Titan Is are pretty Aeronautically Insane, right? These are great. Photos of silos generally are dark, old or very zoomed in to one area. You've given a great idea of how an actual room looks because it's wide enough to see things. Never seen the metal corridor junction images before, reminds me of Fallout.
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Delivery McGee posted:They should at least pull the mounting brackets and send them to museums. That's a very helpful note on there...
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NASA's humor is out of this world, i doubt you'd understand it. 
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FullMetalJacket posted:NASA's humor is out of this world, i doubt you'd understand it. Don't they do something with stuffed spiders too?
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FullMetalJacket posted:NASA's humor is out of this world, i doubt you'd understand it.  NASA, raising the bar for comedians everywhere.
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Delta painted a couple of their airplanes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbCEFGGSicw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbCEFGGSicw I'm a big fan of the "Onwards and Upwards" livery (ignore the one "flowing fabric" in the background.)  Information on the livery and logo from its introduction four years ago: http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/delta_dealt_a_good_hand.php Interesting thing in the comments: quote:
This was just about a year before Delta announced they were buying Northwest.
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BonzoESC posted:Delta painted a couple of their airplanes: The minute that Richard Anderson got hired at Delta NWA employees knew a merger was in the works. That was just around the exit of bankruptcy. Soon we'll be fully integrated. NWA employees had a good laugh when we first saw their new livery because of the widget pointing the same exact way as the compass did, as we had the "nwa" around the time of our bankruptcy as a rebranding effort but no airplane had the exact same shade of silver on the fuselage.
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VikingSkull posted:Tell you what Senator, send us a Saturn V and you can have the Enterprise. Gee, even whining like a little bitch is bigger in Texas... (ne: not you, the Senator!!!)
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Abandoned missile silos seem like one of the more dangerous places to go urban exploring. Have to wonder what's collected in the silo itself. The water is probably toxic as hell by now.
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Enker posted:Abandoned missile silos seem like one of the more dangerous places to go urban exploring. Have to wonder what's collected in the silo itself. The water is probably toxic as hell by now. That's even before you consider the pitch blackness, doorways with hundred foot drop-offs on the other side, rusted/unstable stairs and stuff like asbestos in abundance. You've got to be a pharmaceutical-grade idiot to UrbEx in an abandoned missile silo.
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MrChips posted:That's even before you consider the pitch blackness, doorways with hundred foot drop-offs on the other side, rusted/unstable stairs Urban exploration is super dangerous if you spend the entire time sprinting without a flashlight.
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Boomerjinks posted:Urban exploration is super dangerous if you spend the entire time sprinting without a flashlight. Someone should make a duct-tape mod for that.
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PatrickBateman posted:The minute that Richard Anderson got hired at Delta NWA employees knew a merger was in the works. That was just around the exit of bankruptcy. Soon we'll be fully integrated. NWA employees had a good laugh when we first saw their new livery because of the widget pointing the same exact way as the compass did, as we had the "nwa" around the time of our bankruptcy as a rebranding effort but no airplane had the exact same shade of silver on the fuselage. I've heard on FlyerTalk that the only big task left is allowing heterogeneous flight and cabin crews; as it is each crew on an aircraft are either all-NW or all-DL. Does that sound familiar?
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Airliners.net always has the best pictures. Just the right amount of grime: 
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Gorilla Salad posted:Airliners.net always has the best pictures. Model makers spend a disturbing amount of time trying to get things like grime right.
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