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-Inu- posted:It's actually illegal in Georgia
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lwoodio posted:Here's what the MSF handbook says I know, which is why I asked my instructor about it and he said "that's the way basically the whole of Europe teaches it". This is in Denmark, BTW. I guess the reasoning is that if you release the rear brake immediately, the rear wheel won't have time to get out of alignment.
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Apr 9, 2011 21:26
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Sweden checking in, I was taught the same thing back in the day. To release it immidiately, that is.
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Apr 9, 2011 21:44
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Space Pornography posted:Literally no damage at all to the bike or my gear. If I didn't have bendy turn signals I might be replacing one of those, but otherwise still 100%. Somehow I hurt the poo poo out of my right ring finger though...oh well, I'll take it. Glad to hear you're ok! A good friend of mine went down at really low speed on his bicycle Thursday. Even a couple mph on a bicycle looks to hurt like a motherfucker. He also refused to go to a doctor, despite me telling him that thing is going to get infected because he didn't do a good enough job cleaning it. These pictures are from +24 hours.    This makes me even more paranoid about constantly riding my bicycle in traffic. I don't understand why motorcycles are perceived to be such evil death machines while it's perfectly acceptable to bicycle everywhere surrounded by cars. Most of the bicyclists friends I know have significant road rash scars while the motorcyclists I know tend not to. Bizarre. As for the rear-brake discussion, my MSF instructor told me to keep the rear wheel locked if I ever braked to the point where it slid. I'll say that the most recent time I locked up the rear, descending a hill and hitting a slick spot, I caught it very very quickly and let off the rear completely. I'm too cheap and don't want to flat-spot my tires. 
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My only wreck was a 0mph tip caused by a locked rear wheel that kicked out to the side at about 3mph and so the bike just plopped over when I came to a stop. I just rarely use the rear brake now. Low traction and low speed mainly.
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Apr 9, 2011 22:08
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Weinertron posted:
Hardly, around here motorists HATE bicyclists. With a firey passion. which is a shame because theres hardly ever a bike lane and cars will think nothing of shoving "those spandex wearing hippies" off the road.
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Apr 15, 2011 00:28
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Kommando posted:Hardly, around here motorists HATE bicyclists. With a firey passion. The hate of bicyclists comes from two flavors of douchebag: First are the Lance Armstrong wanna-bes that ride three/four wide and unnecessarily take up a good chunk of a lane aand tend to not obey street signs or lights. Second are the fixie types that ride like they have deathwishes, don't have brakes, and don't obey street signs or lights. I would hate cyclists a lot less if they obeyed the god drat rules of the road like everyone else.
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Apr 15, 2011 00:45
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redscare posted:I would hate cyclists a lot less if they obeyed the god drat rules of the road like everyone else.
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Apr 15, 2011 01:27
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redscare posted:I would hate cyclists a lot less if they obeyed the god drat rules of the road like everyone else. This argument is the worst because most drivers don't follow the rules. I've never run into a cyclist that deserves the hate.
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Apr 15, 2011 03:08
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redscare posted:Second are the fixie types that ride like they have deathwishes, don't have brakes, and don't obey street signs or lights. Jesus gently caress. I was a couple blocks from home and this loving lunatic on some all white fixie abomination was snaking back and forth across both westbound lanes of Adams, came around on my left (I'm in the #1) at a stop light and kind of meandered through the intersection on a red, then somehow split between opposing traffic that was moving as the light turned green. I'm genuinely surprised the rear end in a top hat didn't get creamed. There are constantly people walking across that street wherever they deem appropriate, but this guy honestly looked like he was trying to gently caress up his own day.
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Apr 15, 2011 03:17
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nsaP posted:This argument is the worst because most drivers don't follow the rules. I've never run into a cyclist that deserves the hate. Habitually running red lights and stop signs is different from California rolling and generally not paying attention.
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Apr 15, 2011 03:32
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I don't get why cyclists breaking traffic rules bothers people so much more than pedestrians doing it? Either way, they're pretty much no danger to anyone but themselves. When's the last time a car hit a cyclist and got anything more than a dent?
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Apr 15, 2011 03:49
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Even still there would probably be some paperwork or something you'd have to deal with. On the opposite side is me riding my bike on the sidewalk because I don't want to cross the road at night to a side with no shoulder. That's no good though, and I get pulled over by cops cause I can't ride there. I don't remember getting poo poo for this when I was ten.
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Apr 15, 2011 04:04
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Riding on the sidewalk is no good, because a cyclist could seriously injure a pedestrian. That's the one thing somebody on a bicycle can do that really pisses me off.
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I nearly T boned a bicyclist that completely ran a red light, like I had a green light and he had a red, bicyclist DIDN'T EVEN SLOW DOWN before the intersection, me stupidly thinking he'd stop, kept going, and squeezed the brakes hard when I realized he just blew through it. Ended up about a foot from hitting his right leg.
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Apr 15, 2011 04:25
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SlightlyMadman posted:Riding on the sidewalk is no good, because a cyclist could seriously injure a pedestrian. That's the one thing somebody on a bicycle can do that really pisses me off. I will usually ride on the street too but at night I tend to go on the sidewalk. I cut onto the sidewalk if a car is coming or if I'm rounding a block and don't want to cross I'll just stay up on it. When I ride a bicycle it's almost always cause I'm going over friends and don't feel like starting a bike/car to go half a mile. I already almost got hit once riding at night on the street with lights blinking and I'm not giving anyone the chance to do it again.
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infraboy posted:I nearly T boned a bicyclist that completely ran a red light, like I had a green light and he had a red, bicyclist DIDN'T EVEN SLOW DOWN before the intersection, me stupidly thinking he'd stop, kept going, and squeezed the brakes hard when I realized he just blew through it. I always seem to stick up for the cyclist in a lot of these online arguments, the thing is if a cyclist doesn't follow the road rules they might cause a very small amount of damage to a car, whereas when the car driver stands a very real chance of killing or severely injuring a cyclist when they don't follow the rules. In your example though the cyclist is an idiot. I understand the cycling idea of blowing through traffic lights, I've been guilty of it more than once but you've gotta be paying a fair amount of attention. You don't want to get into a situation where you're halfway through the intersection, realise you misjudged and then have some chainslip, chainsuck or hosed brakes be the reason you get wiped out. Also you've got to pick and chose your situations where you break the law on a bike. It's all a risk vs. reward scenario. Red light for a pedestrian crossing - not going to stop, red light for a t-intersection where I can go through without impeding a cars path - probably also not going to stop. Busy intersection with lots of traffic, parked cars, pedestrians and other things to block my sight lines? Yeah I'll stop at this one. Car drivers also need to pay attention too - if you see a cyclist who isn't breaking the law, how bout you overtake by leaving us the whole lane as the law stipulates not ten millimetres clearance from your mirror.
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Apr 15, 2011 06:43
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How about, I dunno... Not breaking the loving laws? That goes equally for all traffic. If drivers didn't habitually break the laws, cyclists would be much safer. If cyclists didn't habitually break the laws, drivers would hate them a lot less.
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Apr 15, 2011 09:23
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I gotta point out that most car drivers don't know they have to give a lane of clearance. Even if they did in So. Cal. they wouldn't do it if your were in the middle of the lane; They'd run whoever is in the left lane out and still tag you with their mirror.
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nsaP posted:This argument is the worst because most drivers don't follow the rules. I've never run into a cyclist that deserves the hate. Exactly. It's the rarest thing in the world to follow a car driver who actually obeys the highway code. Try it the next time you're following someone. Incorrect signalling, failure to keep a proper look out, inability to stay in their own lane even. All absolutely commonplace. This is why people actually fail driving tests, remember. If only cyclists broke traffic rules, those things would be a breeze. And I'm talking Britain here, let's not even get on to the poo poo you see on the Golden State Parkway (substitute as appropriate for your state or nation). And as has already been pointed out, whereas the cyclist is in command of a lightweight confection of rubber and metal, the car driver has a huge 1000kg+ behemoth that can kill very easily. Who should be exercising more care? As far as cyclists daring to occupy a lane, most countries'/states' road traffic laws absolutely entitle them to do so where it's appropriate (if you can't think of a reason, you probably don't do much cycling). If they're slowing you and your pimpscalade down, well, what you do is indicate, wait for a safe gap and pass them safely. It's not hard really. While I don't generally make a point of disobeying traffic laws when cycling, cyclists avoiding stopping at junctions is usually risk avoidance. You don't want to be hit from behind by a car that can't be bothered to stop, and you don't want to be knocked off by traffic accelerating from behind you that's desperate to get ahead of the traffic in an adjoining lane or to change lanes immediately after the light. The reason car drivers don't like seeing bicycles on the road is simple: car driving is the dominant paradigm, with cars and other motor vehicles accounting for well over 95% of most journeys, and car drivers consequently believe they "own" the road. Anyone daring to cross the road as a pedestrian, cycle along it, ride a motorcycle, ride a horse, unicycle, doing cartwheels whatever the gently caress, is offensive to them. Of course we've had public roads for a couple thousand years at least prior to the invention of the car, so there's no rational basis for this, but that's not how the human mind works. Think of how offended drivers get at a motorcyclist that doesn't want to wait in a queue of cars (especially in the "49 states")- it's a breach of ettiquette, even though a bike going round the queue doesn't slow them down or harm them in any way, and the queue is only there because of fucktards in cars. It's that same instinct that makes them instarage at someone DARING to cycle along a road. Saga fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Apr 15, 2011 |
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This is why I like NSWquote:15 What is a vehicle If you're on a bicycle you've got the same rights as everyone else. You're also held to the same standards as everyone else. (And yet people are still spandex wearing wankers...  )
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I pretty much hate everyone on the road who isn't me regardless of what they are riding/driving.  edit: Saga posted:The reason car drivers don't like seeing bicycles on the road is simple: car driving is the dominant paradigm, with cars and other motor vehicles accounting for well over 95% of most journeys, and car drivers consequently believe they "own" the road. Anyone daring to cross the road as a pedestrian, cycle along it, ride a motorcycle, ride a horse, unicycle, doing cartwheels whatever the gently caress, is offensive to them. I can't even count the number of times I've nearly killed bicyclists because they are doing something stupid like riding three wide around blind corners or rolling through red lights without even looking or slowing down. Call me crazy, but I'd kind of feel guilty if I killed someone even if it wasn't really my own fault and they were being stupid. It takes a certain type of rear end in a top hat to put others in that kind of position and then act all high and mighty about it in the process. Double edit: Not calling YOU an rear end in a top hat, to be clear. Just that kind of cyclist. Symphoric fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Apr 15, 2011 |
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ReelBigLizard posted:
Horses and deer are the most terrifying thing to me when I'm riding, especially because my exhaust is on the loud (but legal) side. Fortunately, as long as I stay away from downtown I can avoid people riding horses on the street. There are a couple wanna-be cowboys in Austin who will ride horses downtown to the bars, as well as a ton of carriages and stuff like that. One guy got a DWI and his horse impounded until the police realized the DWI wouldn't stick, a horse isn't a motor vehicle.
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Ephphatha posted:This is why I like NSW
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What I can't understand is why groups of bicyclists seem to have the WORST loving choice of when and where to ride. I understand that you're super excited to deck out in your spandex and bust out your thousand dollar road bike. But for God's sake, do you need to ride on the busiest highway in Austin that has a pathetic shoulder at 5:30 in the evening?
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Space Pornography posted:What I can't understand is why groups of bicyclists seem to have the WORST loving choice of when and where to ride. I understand that you're super excited to deck out in your spandex and bust out your thousand dollar road bike. But for God's sake, do you need to ride on the busiest highway in Austin that has a pathetic shoulder at 5:30 in the evening? Taking a bicycle on a highway is beyond stupid, and almost certainly illegal. It's one thing to be going 20mph when everyone else is going 30-40, but to be among cars going 60-70mph means a motorist's brief inattention while changing a CD or something could kill you instantly. Really though, how often do you see this? This person is clearly just an idiot and not representative of cyclists any more than an old man going 30mph with his blinker on is representative of car drivers.
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Bicycles suffer from the same problems that motorcyclists do: no one sees the good ones.
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Z3n posted:Bicycles suffer from the same problems that motorcyclists do: no one sees the good ones. Few, then I'm very safe 
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Aargh posted:I always seem to stick up for the cyclist in a lot of these online arguments, the thing is if a cyclist doesn't follow the road rules they might cause a very small amount of damage to a car, whereas when the car driver stands a very real chance of killing or severely injuring a cyclist when they don't follow the rules. You have this backwardst. If a cyclist doesn't follow the road rules, he stands a good chance of being being seriously injured or killed and most people aren't the sort of sociopaths that are going to care more about the dent on their car rather than the fact that they may well have killed a person (it can really screw a person up).
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redscare posted:You have this backwardst. If a cyclist doesn't follow the road rules, he stands a good chance of being being seriously injured or killed and most people aren't the sort of sociopaths that are going to care more about the dent on their car rather than the fact that they may well have killed a person (it can really screw a person up).
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Space Pornography posted:What I can't understand is why groups of bicyclists seem to have the WORST loving choice of when and where to ride. I understand that you're super excited to deck out in your spandex and bust out your thousand dollar road bike. But for God's sake, do you need to ride on the busiest highway in Austin that has a pathetic shoulder at 5:30 in the evening? My roommate used to ride the 71-620-2222 loop during rush hour for fun. I never understood cycling like that, I have a stressful enough commute for a couple miles with people passing me with a couple millimeters of clearance. It wasn't just him doing this, UT's cycling training team training to ride 4500 miles to Alaska would do all sorts of crazy poo poo as a huge group.
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Clearly George Carlin's 'anyone who drives faster than you is a maniac, and anyone who drives slower than you is an rear end in a top hat' applies, here. I don't like moderation for the sheer hell of it, but I think, whatever it takes to not crash is fine, and whatever you get away with is what you can get away with. Natural selection isn't much of a guideline, but I find it comforting. Plus I can have false pride about surviving buying my triumph. .... currently in the shop to replace a broken foot peg bracket. Uh. It. Fell down the stairs. again. clumsy triumph.
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Next you'll tell us it walked into a door.
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Weinertron posted:My roommate used to ride the 71-620-2222 loop during rush hour for fun. I never understood cycling like that, I have a stressful enough commute for a couple miles with people passing me with a couple millimeters of clearance. I love splitting lanes during rush hour on my motorcycle, but I mountain bike a lot and hate being on the road with other cars at all. Roads are pretty terrifying on a bicycle, I'll stick to single track and dirt trails
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Oh god oh god oh god. The police just called me with the details of the guy who ran me off the road - turns out that he lives literally like five houses away from me.
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Apr 19, 2011 07:40
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Shouting Melon posted:Oh god oh god oh god. Go and lay a fat curly one on his lawn.
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gently caress yeah, awesome! What now?
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