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Arglebargle III posted:ON TOPIC: Do mechwarriors seriously need targeting sensors to hit a 60 foot target at... 60 feet? I would think ECM would be irrelevant in this situation, especially since Sam's targeting computer isn't working. ... I just realized this is a perfect situation for Benjamin Steiner-Kenobi to appear to her in a vision! Her computer's working fine, the
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Mukaikubo posted:Let me be completely blunt: I have written this off as a loss, barring a miracle. I am going to finish this out playing... at least within plausible deniability... of something approaching Clan honor rules. I may not fit into Zellbrigen perfectly, but I am not going to have Samantha alpha strike a mech she asked to fistfight. Not with an assault star of mechs hanging out near a pair of lightly defended dropships. It may be the right tactical move. But it's not the move I'm going to take. Good for you, Mukaikubo! Seriously, people advocating cheating - there's an assault star right next to a DropShip that has Caesar Steiner in it, and what were Colonel Rossi's orders? quote:“Hauptmann,” The Colonel replied quietly, “You will be on special assignment. There are two other scions of House Steiner on this planet; you will escort them to the Dropship Tigris and get them off this planet.” The mission isn't to kill Clanners. The mission is to buy time for the VIPs to get off-planet. Pissing off the Clanners by spitting in their notion of honor is not the way to do it.
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WEll, if we stick to the rules we set, we could possibly accomplish that even if we don't make it to Turn 20. They'll offer Caesar hegira unless we prove we don't deserve it.
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Apr 18, 2011 05:50
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:My editor commissioned Chris, the webcomic's author, to draw out the scene.
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Apr 18, 2011 05:51
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Exactly. Caesar wasn't bid, remember? He's safe so long as the players don't piss off the Vipers so badly that they ignore Clan honor - as Steel Vipers will do when provoked. Breaking the duel rules is a terrible idea at this point. Like I said - save it for Turn 21, when the ships are away and Sam Clover's discharged her duty.
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Why thank you, Chronojam. They're fun to write. After this though? It's full propaganda blitz coming at you from Defiance Industries! The heroic actions of the 2nd Donegal Guard will not be forgotten by the people of the Inner Sphere OR your friends at Defiance Industries, and we're launching a new line of featurettes to tell the story of the Battle of Somerset. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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Chronojam posted:I had no idea that webcomic fanfiction would have an editorial staff, but I guess that's cool that he's supportive. Maybe we should get a panel of fluff underwriters for Poptarts, not that he needs one. I don't think he'll run out of ideas and go all mech-bird-alien on us, but I do like those battlemech 'advertisements' that keep showing up. Are you kidding? If anyone deserves the title "Glorious Heavenly Muse," It's PTN. It's just that "Almost Definitely Not A Spy" fits him so much better. 
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Apr 18, 2011 05:55
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Defiance Industries posted:WEll, if we stick to the rules we set, we could possibly accomplish that even if we don't make it to Turn 20. They'll offer Caesar hegira unless we prove we don't deserve it. Yeah, if we do wind up shooting the Clanner we're supposed to be fist fighting with, the Command Star will likely turn their guns on the dropships when it appears that they've finished their power up sequence. If you were to shoot someone, wait until you've pounded the guy you're fighting now, then shoot the Mugger with an Alpha Strike to avenge Colonel Rossi. You only need to bide time for another 3 turns anyway. You can do it, Muk!
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:The mission isn't to kill Clanners. The mission is to buy time for the VIPs to get off-planet. Pissing off the Clanners by spitting in their notion of honor is not the way to do it. Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I'm also aware that the Steel Vipers' "hat" is being sneaky bastards. I'd rather have Sam distract them by being blatantly unfair and making herself into a target, and kill the drat Lucerne, than just hope the Vipers let the dropships go. We're on the same page in terms of the mission objectives, I just don't trust the Vipers to hold up their end of whatever deal you think they are holding themselves to. In my mind it would be far better for Sam to piss off the assault star so they are charging and shooting at the dezgra freebirth when the dropships lift off. If the Lucerne takes her as a bondsman, the assaults will be paying attention to their surroundings when the dropships star to lift and that could be bad. Honestly it's a really ambiguous situation either way. Now that Muk has made his decision we'll just have to wait and see.
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Apr 18, 2011 05:56
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Remember: The Dropship getting blown up means no Adam Steiner. This is the result we want.
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Now that I think of it, I might do the Battle of Somerset brought to you by Defiance Industries as a mini-series (with heavy product placement). Everyone is played by actors who are way hotter than them in real life, at Caesar's insistence. Except for Caesar himself, who is played by John Belushi XII, Knight of Furillo.
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Apr 18, 2011 06:00
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KnoxZone posted:Remember: The Dropship getting blown up means no Adam Steiner. This is the result we want. It also means no Caesar. Caesar can fix Adamn if you give him time. He fixed Peter Steiner-Davion.
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Defiance Industries posted:Now that I think of it, I might do the Battle of Somerset brought to you by Defiance Industries as a mini-series (with heavy product placement). Everyone is played by actors who are way hotter than them in real life, at Caesar's insistence. Except for Caesar himself, who is played by John Belushi XII, Knight of Furillo. Wouldn't he have insisted on playing As Himself?
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ShadowDragon8685 posted:Wouldn't he have insisted on playing As Himself?
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He has a unit to rebuild in to a supreme fighting machine and possibly a planet to govern depending on whether or not his mother is around. Instead he picks the one guy who he knows can play him right: the guy he knighted for being his drinking buddy. Also he may or may not be dealing with discovering for the first time that he has a son. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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I don't see why people are so sure that even if we adhere to rules the Vipers will just let the dropships go. Steel Vipers, as have been established, are dicks, and will look for any loophole to exploit. Also I have a bad feeling they understand the significance of the name "Steiner" probably no thanks to Myndo Waterly buckling faster than a belt under clanner interrogation (that last part is conjecture on my part of course). I mean surely there would have to be a reason for us to have to last until the dropships power up for it to be the primary victory condition. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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Angry_Ed posted:I don't see why people are so sure that even if we adhere to rules the Vipers will just let the dropships go. Steel Vipers, as have been established, are dicks, and will look for any loophole to exploit. Also I have a bad feeling they understand the significance of the name "Steiner" probably no thanks to Myndo Waterly buckling faster than a belt under clanner interrogation (that last part is conjecture on my part of course). I'm not sure they'll let the dropships go. I think it's more likely that they'll let the dropships go if the Steiners impress them, and less likely that they'll let them go if the Steiners act like dishonorable scum. There's no way to guarantee honor from the Steel Vipers, but the players can at least maximize their chances.
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Apr 18, 2011 07:21
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:There's no way to guarantee honor from the Steel Vipers, but the players can at least maximize their chances. The problem is there's no way to maximize chances either when dealing with the Vipers, although admittedly Star Colonel Dusk seems like a slightly more honorable sort than her underlings in Beta Star and possibly more impressed by the honor and bravado shown by the 2nd Donegal.
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Apr 18, 2011 07:23
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Defiance Industries posted:It also means no Caesar. Caesar can fix Adamn if you give him time. He fixed Peter Steiner-Davion. Peter and Adam are two completely different levels of hosed up though. Peter had potential and showed it given the chance. Adam Steiner thinks that attacking at daybreak is the pinnacle of battlefield strategy. (Fortunately for him, 99% of all flag-level officers in Battletech are ignorant of any strategic developments after the Seven Years' War, so he can get away with it.)
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Apr 18, 2011 07:36
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The guy drove a Thunder Hawk. I don't think he ever had to try too hard. Anyway Caesar Steiner can fix anyone. He made a Steiner-Davion not a failure!
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Angry_Ed posted:The problem is there's no way to maximize chances either when dealing with the Vipers, although admittedly Star Colonel Dusk seems like a slightly more honorable sort than her underlings in Beta Star and possibly more impressed by the honor and bravado shown by the 2nd Donegal. Really? She seems pretty bitchy to me. Getting all  about other people's misfortune and what not. More honorable than Mechwarrior Knox, maybe, but a lot of Beta (our bloodnamed foe, the Wolfhound's opponent, Sam's current dance partner) gave me the impression of honorable in name and spirit. Again Knox aside, seems to me Beta's less 'dezgra' than 'goody two shoes and in Dusk's bad graces.'Here's how I see it: if the dropship gets away unmolested even if Muk loses, then the last 20 turns didn't matter for poo poo. Beating Beta, our partial victory, would be for pride alone.
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the JJ posted:Really? She seems pretty bitchy to me. Getting all Well her smugness was mostly because a lot of the Beta Star combatants made poor bids, and really I think it's a big thing amongst all clanners to get whenever another clanner loses because they bid badly.
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Here is how I see it. Generally the higher up you are the more you know that this honor bullshit can be exploited. Fresh out of sibko mechwarriors with stars in their eyes are probably the most honorable you can get. 10 year veterans of clan politics and backstabbing will probably be a lot more sneaky.
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Defiance Industries posted:The guy drove a Thunder Hawk. I don't think he ever had to try too hard. I think Peter was the only one who was fixable, though. Victor had around him - was surrounded by - people who were at least as awesome, if not moreso (including Caesar on occasion). Ardan Sortek, Morgan Hasek-Davion, Morgan Kell, Anastasius Focht, Jaime Wolf, hell, even Archer Christofori...to say nothing of the fact that his father was the most awesome person of all time. None of it took, though, because he would rather listen to dipshits like Galen Cox or completely non-functional people like Kai. Hell, you can argue that the most functional, and least stupid, heir to the Davion name after the death of Hanse is probably Jackson, and he's not even really related to the Steiner-Davion part of the family all that closely.
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This is getting really, really close. Curbstomp him!
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the JJ posted:Really? She seems pretty bitchy to me. Getting all Well, the unit doesn't get wiped out completely if we last 20 turns. If we do the entire 2nd Donegal is annihilated except for one man. Fraction Jackson posted:I think Peter was the only one who was fixable, though. Victor had around him - was surrounded by - people who were at least as awesome, if not moreso (including Caesar on occasion). Ardan Sortek, Morgan Hasek-Davion, Morgan Kell, Anastasius Focht, Jaime Wolf, hell, even Archer Christofori...to say nothing of the fact that his father was the most awesome person of all time. None of it took, though, because he would rather listen to dipshits like Galen Cox or completely non-functional people like Kai. Jackson is WAY out there as far as relations go. Caesar's fairly close compared to him (his mother Iris was third in line, after Nondi and Fred, to be Archon before Melissa was born). If you want to see for yourself in full: http://www.classicbattletech.com/forumarchive/index.php/topic,37015.0.html Caesar and Archon Melissa share a common great-great-grandfather, Archon Marco Steiner. Jackson, on the other hand, traces his relationship to the ruling line back to Alexander Davion, who is the guy who brought the FedSuns in to the Star League. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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I wonder if punching out the clanner's center torso will result in a sudden reactor breach. Let's hope so!
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cafel posted:Come on, one more turn or I'm out five bucks! Screw honor and courage as reasons to keep fighting, there's something even more important on the line. Reminding myself that I should buy this dude platinum when I get back home tonight.
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So our dear Clover's mech is sans both foot actuators. I can only imagine this would make standing next to impossible. In light of PTNs 'careful stand' rule addition, and if a Wolfhound can stand with one leg, I guess the Zeus can do it without foot actuators? Also for some reason I think Samantha Clover is a very  name.ShadowDragon8685 posted:My username and beloved webcomic fanfic. E: ShadowDragon8685 posted:Oi, steady on! I was asked and I answered. Teledahn fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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Jesus christ I never knew that I could be this excited by boardgames on the internet.  Come on, Sam! Kick that clanner in the rear end! Fake edit: Fantastic thread, PTN.
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Teledahn posted:So our dear Clover's mech is sans both feet actuators. I can only imagine this would make standing next to impossible. In light of PTNs 'careful stand' rule addition, and if a Wolfhound can stand with one leg, I guess the Zeus can do it without foot actuators? Careful Stand isn't PTN's rule addition, it's in TacOps. Basically, if she uses Careful Stand, she's facing no worse a PSR than she would be to stand normally with both legs fully intact. I'm hoping that the next round is a punch to the Right Torso, Critical Hit, LRM Ammunition, Right Torso Destroyed, Right Arm blown off, CASE prevents damage from spreading to CT, and then Center Torso Hit, Through-Armor Critical, Engine Hit, B5 Lucerne destroyed by engine destruction. Poptarts, what does Zell say should happen if both pilots simultainously destroy/disable each other's BattleMechs and both are still alive and conscious at the end of the fight? Muk thought it meant "fistfight," and then he reminded me about Sam's sprained back. The next suggestion was "pistols at ten paces," only to remember she was also suffering a concussion. So would the Clanner accept shotguns at four paces? Or is that just a hegira draw? quote:Also for some reason I think Samantha Clover is a very It really, really is. quote:I had suspicions before, but now I'm having real trouble not calling you a bad poster. Oi, steady on! I was asked and I answered.
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Gingoskophot posted:Jesus christ I never knew that I could be this excited by boardgames on the internet. only in battletech and risk have I gotten dice and game pieces thrown at me. But yeah a good game like the one we are watching can get tense 
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The right call is to honourably surrender, specifically to the mech you're fighting. Is there a token thing you could do like power down weapons? If so you might be able to do that and buy another turn by asking to be allowed to stand (or getting help to stand up if that's possible) so you can withdraw and watch the end of the battle. After all you've just had a fist fight in a forest fire, it might be unclear to everyone involved that you're the last combatants and the battle's over. Wasting a turn standing up and another getting escorted out of the "battle" to work out that it's over... you might be able to slow things down even in surrender. And is it just me, or does Clan Mechwarrior... Drang, was it? Seem to be going rather out of his way to honour an unfamiliar practice and give his opponant lots of chances to keep fighting? Maybe he's intrigued by Samantha's "fighting spirit", wink wink?
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Anyone else thinking of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690
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Alchenar posted:Anyone else thinking of this? No! She hasn't lost her legs yet and the upper body is fine. Keep at it!
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Dolash posted:And is it just me, or does Clan Mechwarrior... Drang, was it? Seem to be going rather out of his way to honour an unfamiliar practice and give his opponant lots of chances to keep fighting? Maybe he's intrigued by Samantha's "fighting spirit", wink wink? Clan Indocterination is going to be interesting to say the least 
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Axe-man posted:Clan Indocterination is going to be interesting to say the least I'm not sure Samantha Clover will be into that kind of totem worship.
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:facepalm: Y'all are weird. And yeah, at this point my last, best hopes are a crit to an ammo bin or a failed consciousness check after a head punch.
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Mukaikubo posted::facepalm: Y'all are weird. Remember that ammo explosions aren't as disabling to clan mechs due to CASE. You could conceivably explode off the left/right torso of the
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Longinus00 posted:Remember that ammo explosions aren't as disabling to clan mechs due to CASE. You could conceivably explode off the left/right torso of the Yeah, I should have clarified; the ammo explosion would do damage and force a consciousness check just like the head punch would. And I am begging for that at this point. The dice have to give me one lucky break at some point... right? ...right? ...because I don't have much time left. D:
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