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Fayez Butts
Aug 24, 2006

Athanatos posted:

Didn't see this get answered, so anyone know of any graphics bump mods for San Andreas? Something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FduiJBxyV1o seems neat, but can't find what it is. (He also has a reload mod, and a GTA4 ragdoll thing)

Search for "enbseries"
I haven't been up on that stuff for a few years but last time I checked people had added things like motion blur and environment reflections to the cars and stuff.

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Jefferoo
Jun 24, 2008

by Lowtax
Any other mods people can recommend for San Andreas? I'm checking out like Real Cars, but I'm not sure what else is good.

Sir Xiphos
Dec 11, 2008
Replaying GTA IV now. Man, running down pedestrians with Jill Scott on the radio is badass as hell.

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009
Speaking of real car mods, is there one for GTA IV that works with Steam?

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Is there a way to enhance GTASA character models?

They look noticably dated compared to III and VC's for some reason. Characters have color and everything. I'm playing 32 bit and jesus.

Jupiter Jazz fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Apr 18, 2011

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

As a sandboxy, go crazy-nuts game, GTAIV doesn't quite make the mark.
As a New York driving simulator, it's fantastic. I just love cruising around Liberty City with the ambient music radio station playing the in background.

This game does really need a quad-core and a beefy graphics card for the best graphics, but it does seem to run okay on my rig with a dual-core Athlon and a Radeon HD4670 on medium settings.

Love how well-detailed the cars are and how close they resemble their real-world counter-parts.

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009

Himuro posted:

Is there a way to enhance GTASA character models?

They look noticably dated compared to III and VC's for some reason. Characters have color and everything. I'm playing 32 bit and jesus.

Really? I am playing III right now and they are incredibly dated. I mean, obviously it is still good with the mindset of "this came out in 2001" but it also clearly came out in 2001.

Dipluz
Apr 8, 2011

Himuro posted:

I know Rockstar tends to frown on re-releases and remakes but I'm hoping they put out a GTA3 10th anniversary release on psn and xbl.

I tried playing gta3 last night, but kinda got bored of it again, was no proper story like in San Andreas. but guess I lack the whole point of a 'Sandbox' game even though I find it funny that at least is some backround / start story to the game. Or maybe ive never finished it and havent gotten into some sort of story that will eventually come later, considering I just bought the game with the GTA Classics Packaged for 7,5€ on Steam

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I definitely prefer 3's mood and story to SA's. Betraying people for a buck is far more fun in 3 than raiding fake Area 51's. I also found 3's story to have more merit and more of a message about American life than SA. I can't think of any message in SA. It strays from its very premise (gang banging in the hood) a quarter into the story.

I definitely wouldn't say SA's story is proper. It is a bunch of random awesome set pieces tied together but hardly proper. I think even 4 is better than SA in terms of scenario but maybe I'm looking at it from with a different view being a black American.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Dipluz posted:

I tried playing gta3 last night, but kinda got bored of it again, was no proper story like in San Andreas. but guess I lack the whole point of a 'Sandbox' game even though I find it funny that at least is some backround / start story to the game. Or maybe ive never finished it and havent gotten into some sort of story that will eventually come later, considering I just bought the game with the GTA Classics Packaged for 7,5€ on Steam

It has some story, although its a pretty weak one. Play at least until you get to Asuka's mission. If you aren't hooked into the story after her first one, then you probably won't be hooked at all.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I'd definitely say play until you get to Asuka to see if you like it.

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
What I liked better about GTA3 than VC or SA is that you don't become the kingpin of a massive criminal empire who still has to do every little thing himself. I understand that simply ordering lackeys around wouldn't make for a fun game, but it always seemed awkward that even when you get to the top of the mountain, you're still basically taking orders from people.

Also, particularly in SA, can I get a loving RIDE? Why does every single character insist that I drive them around in their car?

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009

Doppelganger posted:

Also, particularly in SA, can I get a loving RIDE? Why does every single character insist that I drive them around in their car?

'Cause you a BUSTA, Doppleganger.

Old Grasshopper
Apr 7, 2011

"Patience, young grasshopper."

Himuro posted:

I definitely prefer 3's mood and story to SA's. Betraying people for a buck is far more fun in 3 than raiding fake Area 51's. I also found 3's story to have more merit and more of a message about American life than SA. I can't think of any message in SA. It strays from its very premise (gang banging in the hood) a quarter into the story.

I definitely wouldn't say SA's story is proper. It is a bunch of random awesome set pieces tied together but hardly proper. I think even 4 is better than SA in terms of scenario but maybe I'm looking at it from with a different view being a black American.

Personally I never liked SA that much, 3 was a fantastic game and VC was a good extension of that. SA just went off on a different tangent with the girlfriends and the working out... 4 was just phenomenal if a little bit serious.

I remember arguing with a co-worker who believed that 4 was going to be a silly crazy game like SA, I showed him the trailer and the articles and he just didn't seem to get it that Rockstar were being a little bit serious! It was a great game, got Episodes now as well and they seem a bit more silly! Only £5 :)

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Himuro posted:

I definitely prefer 3's mood and story to SA's. Betraying people for a buck is far more fun in 3 than raiding fake Area 51's. I also found 3's story to have more merit and more of a message about American life than SA. I can't think of any message in SA. It strays from its very premise (gang banging in the hood) a quarter into the story.

Yeah, San Andreas was like four different games that didn't quite add up to one satisfying whole. You have the gangland drama of Los Santos, then it's off to the wilderness for 4x4 Monstertruck Madness, then to San Fierro for... toy airplane flying, and finally to Las Venturas for some casino robbing. And in-between you have a bunch of crazy poo poo involving jetpacks and combine harvesters and way too much other poo poo I can't even be bothered to remember.

I remember when I finally completed the game for the first time. I was just exhausted, and I never completed the story since. But then I never completed the story for any GTA more than once.

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
I've replayed GTA1-3 and VC multiple times but have never been able to replay SA. In fact, I've never been able to get out of Los Santos each time I replay it.

I'll get past that this time though, because the pc version is really that much better.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



SA's story isn't its best thing, but it works okay enough in each city itself.

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

Zedd posted:

SA's story isn't its best thing, but it works okay enough in each city itself.

I think SA's real story is a bit postmodern: CJ runs all the way to Liberty City to get away from his problems but then comes back, then has to leave again and can't explain why he has to bolt across the country when his own state offered a lot for him. It's an American Bildungsroman that uses a state instead of a country to show growth. Keep in mind that CJ, despite leaving his place of birth, seems shocked when he gets outside of Los Santos and by the time he experiences two cities is now essentially a millionaire/government contractor who really doesn't know his own strengths.

Okay, the plot is farfetched, but it does make a point that GTA 3 and VC couldn't: the growth of a character instead of the completion of a phase in their lives. Even Vercetti doesn't change that much: he just seeks revenge and fortune. CJ, at the least, reveals that he could have been a lot more than the guy who went from Los Santos to Liberty City and only found change when he stepped outside of the hood.

Infinite Monkeys
Jul 18, 2010

If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
I always loved playing GTA games on other people's saves, flying around in heliopters and planes with loads of guns. I bought GTA 4 (which I had never played before buying it) and it was nothing like that :( it was an endless chain of "go here in a terrible slow car, chase x, kill them, come back", I can never hear what is being said on the mobiles so I don't have a loving clue what is going on, I have a lovely SMG with almost no ammo and a terrible pistol that kills in about 5 shots, you have to GO TO FOOD STANDS to replenish health and there are no planes to be found. Is GTA 4 just bad, or does it get better at some point (although not all of that crap could get better)?

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Tewratomeh posted:

I remember when I finally completed the game for the first time. I was just exhausted, and I never completed the story since. But then I never completed the story for any GTA more than once.

GTA games are notoriously lovely about stuff like this. Its really bad in the old games since there is no GPS. There are quite a few cool missions in the games but for every cool one, you have to deal with lovely ones that are frustrating as gently caress. Its the main reason that I don't want to jump into San Andreas again since I have restarted the drat thing at least 3 different times.

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

Infinite Monkeys posted:

I always loved playing GTA games on other people's saves, flying around in heliopters and planes with loads of guns. I bought GTA 4 (which I had never played before buying it) and it was nothing like that :( it was an endless chain of "go here in a terrible slow car, chase x, kill them, come back", I can never hear what is being said on the mobiles so I don't have a loving clue what is going on, I have a lovely SMG with almost no ammo and a terrible pistol that kills in about 5 shots, you have to GO TO FOOD STANDS to replenish health and there are no planes to be found. Is GTA 4 just bad, or does it get better at some point (although not all of that crap could get better)?

The two add-ons are much better. At least they have some cool set pieces and the physics get slightly better.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Infinite Monkeys posted:

Is GTA 4 just bad
No.

wafflemoose
Apr 10, 2009

Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:

I think SA's real story is a bit postmodern: CJ runs all the way to Liberty City to get away from his problems but then comes back, then has to leave again and can't explain why he has to bolt across the country when his own state offered a lot for him. It's an American Bildungsroman that uses a state instead of a country to show growth. Keep in mind that CJ, despite leaving his place of birth, seems shocked when he gets outside of Los Santos and by the time he experiences two cities is now essentially a millionaire/government contractor who really doesn't know his own strengths.

Okay, the plot is farfetched, but it does make a point that GTA 3 and VC couldn't: the growth of a character instead of the completion of a phase in their lives. Even Vercetti doesn't change that much: he just seeks revenge and fortune. CJ, at the least, reveals that he could have been a lot more than the guy who went from Los Santos to Liberty City and only found change when he stepped outside of the hood.

Agreed, the story of SA wasn't just about being a gangbanger, it was more of a story about life's unexpected turns and finding your place in life, while bailing out of airplanes dressed only in boxers.

San Andreas would have made a good road trip movie. Jerusalem did a pretty good LP of it that basically turned it into a novel. Check it out here.

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:

Keep in mind that CJ, despite leaving his place of birth, seems shocked when he gets outside of Los Santos and by the time he experiences two cities is now essentially a millionaire/government contractor who really doesn't know his own strengths.
It also didn't help that his brother was a controlling, short-sighted idiot.

"Man gently caress you CJ! Sure you've done every single I told you to do since you got back, brought unprecedented wealth to our family, AND just sprung my rear end from prison, but what have you done for the hood lately? You're a joke!"

You know what Sweet? Take the hood and shove it up your rear end. You want to spend the rest of your life fighting over some dirty ghetto? Go right ahead. I'm through wasting my energy on your small-time bullshit. I own a goddamned JETPACK now!

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Yes, CJ leaves the ghetto only to get involved in more crime. Good branching out there.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Himuro posted:

Yes, CJ leaves the ghetto only to get involved in more crime. Good branching out there.

True, but he also becomes filthy rich and owns a bunch of property spread out over an entire state.

But then he moves right back to the hood in the end, the gang wars start over and nothing much has really changed. It's like all this amazing stuff happens to him and he just goes "well, time to fight it out with some more rival gangs because that's just who I am".

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood
I bought GTA4 complete yesterday, and got a problem when trying to launch:

Error Code RMN20
Cause: Windows Vista SP1 required.

I'm running Windows 7. The solution on the forum is to, download the service pack. I can't download the loving service pack 1 for Vista, because I'm on Windows 7. How do I solve this? :iiam:

Jupiter Jazz
Jan 13, 2007

by sebmojo
Have you tried running it Vista compatability mode?

Right click the exe, go to personalize. Go to compatability tab, compatability mode and go to Vista.

Jupiter Jazz fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 18, 2011

WHOOPS
Nov 6, 2009

Doppelganger posted:

It also didn't help that his brother was a controlling, short-sighted idiot.

"Man gently caress you CJ! Sure you've done every single I told you to do since you got back, brought unprecedented wealth to our family, AND just sprung my rear end from prison, but what have you done for the hood lately? You're a joke!"

You know what Sweet? Take the hood and shove it up your rear end. You want to spend the rest of your life fighting over some dirty ghetto? Go right ahead. I'm through wasting my energy on your small-time bullshit. I own a goddamned JETPACK now!

And you wonder why you have to drive everywhere. Like I said, Doppelganger, you a busta.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
I don't mind that SA has such a sprawling, kind of schizophrenic story. I mean, wasn't that the whole point of the game, essentially - it took place not in one city, with one story, but over an entire "state"? The map design ended up being frustrating, leading to times when you had to drive entirely too far just to get to a mission's start point, and yeah, the best part of the story by far was the first 1/3 but ultimately it's still a great game.

Honestly I would have preferred the story of CJ In the Hood be the entire game, with a much larger Los Santos, but gamers are notoriously borderline racist and were already loudly complaining before the game even came out about how it would have "nothing but rap stations" and other such nonsense.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Yo, CJ. You a straight busta. Come pick me up with my own car. Don't ask why I've mysteriously moved into the territory of our enemy gang.

The best way to play SA is to just stop playing once you finish the Las Venturas missions. You're on top and then Sweet is dead or something. yay, everything works out.

Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 18, 2011

texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood

Himuro posted:

Have you tried ranning it Vista compatability mode?

Right click the exe, go to personalize. Go to comparability tab, compatability mode and go to Vista.

I feel so dumb for not thinking about it. It works, but now I have to fix the stuttering...

bort
Mar 13, 2003

Infinite Monkeys posted:

I have a lovely SMG with almost no ammo and a terrible pistol that kills in about 5 shots
Pull up the item map (or an alternative). All the guns you could possibly need are kicking around.

When I start a new GTA game, one of the first things I do is drive around listening to the radio and finding all the locations where weapons and armor can be had.

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

Skilleddk posted:

I bought GTA4 complete yesterday, and got a problem when trying to launch:

Error Code RMN20
Cause: Windows Vista SP1 required.

I'm running Windows 7. The solution on the forum is to, download the service pack. I can't download the loving service pack 1 for Vista, because I'm on Windows 7. How do I solve this? :iiam:

Is your Windows up-to-date, i.e. did you download the Win7 SP1? It works fine on my machine Win7 x64 machine, so that's an odd error.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Neither Google nor Wikipedia are providing me with a satisfactorily comprehensive answer to this:

Does the new "Complete" PS3 version - GTA4 and both expansions - have EVERY song from both the original expansions and the bonus stations/songs that were on the "Tales from Liberty City" disc? If not, is there any way to make that happen? I'd like to run through the trilogy again but I want maximum song variety.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

gently caress, why did I get the D2D version of the Complete Pack when I could have had it on Steam instead? :(

Old Grasshopper
Apr 7, 2011

"Patience, young grasshopper."

SplitSoul posted:

gently caress, why did I get the D2D version of the Complete Pack when I could have had it on Steam instead? :(

You know what to do... It's time to rebuy! :D

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Lurchibles posted:

You know what to do... It's time to rebuy! :D

I already owned a boxed GTAIV, too. :suicide:

married but discreet
May 7, 2005


Taco Defender
What's with all the SA hate? It was easily the best GTA gameplay wise and funny as hell. I bought IV on steam and while the rear end in a top hat physics are great the missions are boring and I'm playing an unsympathetic Serbian war criminal or something.
Where's my Terminator 2 homage mission and why can't I drive a combine harvester through a cult compound?

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bort
Mar 13, 2003

Yeah, I'm with you. I think the early San Andreas storyline was compelling and it didn't get humdrum for me until late in the San Fierro arc. I had to really try to like GTA IV; I pushed through and did end up liking it, although I haven't finished it yet or played the expansions.

I don't know why I got it in my head to 100% the GTA III/LCS worlds, but it's been fun. I love the music in both of those games. It's funny that both Shoreside Vale and Alderney are terribly anticlimactic to unlock after the playgrounds that Portland/Algonquin are.

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