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Dameius posted:Speaking of Conservapedia, their best article has to be the one on evolution. I'm not really sure what segment is the best one to highlight but if I had to pick it would be everything past and including the section titled: Creation Scientists Tend to Win the Creation-Evolution Debates. Really puts the cognitive dissonance and blatant rewriting of reality to fit their own beliefs on display. Thing is, "creation scientists" do win the debates. Creationists pack the audience with their own, spew forth dozens and dozens of compelling problems with evolution, and refuse to engage their opponents on a factual level, instead successfully painting evolutionists as arrogant, mean, and dogmatic. If you don't have some science training and critical thinking skills, that's a rhetorical knockout. See http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating-creationists.html.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I think Conservapedia has blocked non-US users from even accessing the site. It's really for the better sort of people who have the good sense to live in America. How often do they do that? I used to be able to access them from the UK. Looks like I'll have to resort to the Daily Mail for my regularly doses of angertainment.
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Apr 17, 2011 12:03
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hatersg2haet posted:Some of the stuff is true some is bullshit.
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Apr 17, 2011 22:33
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Even though it stars conservative blowhard Kelsey Grammar, The Pentagon Wars is pretty much a completely factual look at defense aquisition. I'm not sure why Grammar was in it, I guess his "gently caress the government" conservative mentality overrode his "UNF MILITARY BONER!!" one.
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Apr 18, 2011 17:51
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I hadn't seen this one yet!quote:Well, boys and girls, today the fox is guarding the hen house.
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Apr 18, 2011 18:29
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Aliquid posted:I hadn't seen this one yet! I like how it uses its own phrasing "Obama appointed two devout Muslims..." to further enrage the half-wit recipients via "NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew, or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering...." Thats some Fox News tactics there. tek79 fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Apr 18, 2011 |
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Apr 18, 2011 18:47
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Yea, George W. Bush was a devout Christian. There, now I have heard of someone saying stupid things.
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Apr 18, 2011 18:49
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Spatial posted:Not by a long shot. They ban any IP address range thought to be inhabited primarily by undesirables. Universities, ISPs, even entire countries. Please tell me they're blocking Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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Apr 18, 2011 18:50
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Strom Cuzewon posted:How often do they do that? I used to be able to access them from the UK. Looks like I'll have to resort to the Daily Mail for my regularly doses of angertainment. /edit: Nope, I was wrong. I can't access Conservapedia either 
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Apr 18, 2011 19:17
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Grem posted:Yea, George W. Bush was a devout Christian. There, now I have heard of someone saying stupid things. But have you heard him being called a devout Catholic, Jew, or Protestant? Check and mate 
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Apr 18, 2011 20:24
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Dr Christmas posted:But have you heard him being called a devout Catholic? What do you think he's running, the Supreme Court 
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tek79 posted:I like how it uses its own phrasing "Obama appointed two devout Muslims..." to further enrage the half-wit recipients via "NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew, Have they forgotten JFK and Adam Smith?
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Apr 18, 2011 21:36
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Aliquid posted:I hadn't seen this one yet! There's probably a way here to explain to the sender the importance of white privilege (i.e. the right to be Christian without otherization) but I'm sure I'd never have the tact to do so.
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Apr 18, 2011 21:52
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This isn't exactly email or family but does anyone ever try to be dunk the bullshit spewed on their local news sites? I've spent a few hours now debunking the Obama brazil oil deal crap that is getting spread around. First I linked snipes which is now apparently liberally biased so then I went to actual press releases but it seems like people don't understand that the us invests in other countries companies just like other countries invest in our companies. Does anyone else ever even try, if only with the hope that you change even one persons mind?
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Apr 19, 2011 05:25
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I checked the past 10 pages and didn't see anything similar to this email I was just forwarded by my 81 year old grandfather: gramps posted:SOME OF YOU WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME OF YOU WILL NOT. Pretty much your standard fare of misinformation, muddling context and straight up lies. I was happy to see, however, that there wasn't any birther poo poo mixed in with the rest of the spite. For a moment I half wanted to do a reply all with line by line refutations but  , plus like I said he's 81 and probably will be dead within two years.
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I thought "If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?" was meant to be a wink and a nudge toward birthers, am I wrong? But at least the e-mail is completely honest, no one is actually being accused, I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS OVER HERE
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Apr 19, 2011 17:54
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QuarkJets posted:I thought "If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?" was meant to be a wink and a nudge toward birthers, am I wrong? Oh, I suppose it could be. Still that's a hell of a wink
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Apr 19, 2011 18:08
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My dad sent me a wonderful link today about educators hitting "paydirt" with pensions. There were a few that did in fact cash in decades worth of vacation time and sick days to inflate their last few years of income (and what your pension is based off of), but the loophole has since been closed. Why act like it is proof that all teachers make too much?
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Thenipwax posted:My dad sent me a wonderful link today about educators hitting "paydirt" with pensions. There were a few that did in fact cash in decades worth of vacation time and sick days to inflate their last few years of income (and what your pension is based off of), but the loophole has since been closed. Why act like it is proof that all teachers make too much? This isn't something that just teachers did, my dad did this too. He worked for the utility company though. Ironically he is hardcore conservative but well protected by his union. He just retired after 27 years with a great pension. Fairly certain he makes more than any teacher in the city he worked in though.
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How are u posted:If any other of our presidents had been the first President to need a Teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a teleprompter for a press conference pretty much impossible? Edit: I mean in the sense that reporters ask questions.
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They're still pushing the teleprompter thing after Bachmann's State of the Union thing?
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Apr 19, 2011 18:42
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tek79 posted:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't a teleprompter for a press conference pretty much impossible? Yes, and Obama is also not the first President to use teleprompters for speeches, and it's arguable that he "needs" them to get through one. But OBAMMER TELEPROMPTER is a meme so it gets repeated in various versions. It's also sad that people don't know the difference between fact and opinion. "Obama needs a teleprompter to get through a press conference" is not a fact for like 4 different reasons.
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Apr 19, 2011 18:44
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quote:If any of our presidents... I don't think he's singling out Obama here. A lot of that stuff applies to many of our presidents, or equivalent situations. I think this dude's on the right track; all presidents are total poo poo, gently caress America. Burn a flag, old dude! 
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Apr 19, 2011 20:23
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Tigntink posted:Ironically he is hardcore conservative but well protected by his union. Hey that's shocking. I'm sure he earned his through hard work though, right? It's also pretty shocking how much conservative thought in the US really does boil down to gently caress you got mine.
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Tried to read through the thread, but does anyone have a Left Leaning chain email? If so, can you show me? If not, is there a reason for this? Are all the Left just geniuses that don't fall for the chain emails, or what is going on here?
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Jastiger posted:Tried to read through the thread, but does anyone have a Left Leaning chain email? If so, can you show me? If not, is there a reason for this? Are all the Left just geniuses that don't fall for the chain emails, or what is going on here? I find dumb left-leaning things get propagated through Facebook statuses more than through chain emails. I think maybe it's because FWD: FWD: FWD: poo poo is not how anyone communicates anymore, and so the only people that do are older, and older people are much more likely to be conservatives.
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Apr 19, 2011 20:58
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Do you have any examples of stupid facebook stuff like that? Because maybe I just know smart people there (which is loving unlikely given my friends)
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Apr 19, 2011 21:07
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Jastiger posted:Tried to read through the thread, but does anyone have a Left Leaning chain email? If so, can you show me? If not, is there a reason for this? Are all the Left just geniuses that don't fall for the chain emails, or what is going on here? Younger people don't use chain e-mails, it's as simple as that. They use hip things like Twitter and Bookface
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Apr 19, 2011 21:13
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Man, Obama was lucky to escape impeachment or even nuclear war in the aftermath of giving those Region 1 DVDs to Gordon Brown. Worst president ever.
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perianwyr posted:Do you have any examples of stupid facebook stuff like that? Because maybe I just know smart people there (which is loving unlikely given my friends) I don't, off the top of my head, because most of my friends on facebook are not crazy people, and the ones that are (ie, family) are crazy in the right-wing way. I have one crazy leftwing political friend but his updates are generally pretty sane even if his actual beliefs may not be. I'm sure a little work with some talking points on that site that lets you search public facebook statuses (openbook?) would turn up some.
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During the debate about the Wisconsin teacher's union issues, I had a friend who posted a Facebook status message that tried to correlate SAT scores by state with union-involvement by state (higher scores in states with unions, lower scores in ones that didn't allow/mandate unions). I did some research and found that SAT scores was actually more correlated to SAT Participation rates by state (less than 10% of students take the SAT in Wisconsin) and posted a response saying so (while mentioning that I supported the teacher's union). She replied back thanking me for my post, and 'liked' my comment.
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I have, through Facebook, a friend who I've never met, but is an old hippie. Like 70, super left, and he's past the point of actually thinking about his views anymore. It's literally just my-side-versus-theirs. Every news event is directly related to the Koch Brothers, with or without any evidence. I eventually blocked his updates, because while I generally agree, the way he goes about it is the same as crazy forwarded emails. I've posted several times about this guy. Basically, what annoyed the poo poo out of me was when the Gabriella Giffords shooting occurred, he was right there linking and posting constantly about how Jared Loughner was a direct tool of Palin, and posting supposed pictures of Loughner's voter registration card saying "Republican". I think I posted it in this thread, but someone pointed out it had photoshop meta tags, and "Tucson" was misspelled. I told him it was a photoshop and explained why, and he got indignant and said it didn't prove Loughner's NOT a Republican. So, yeah, there are crazy left poo poo, and there have been several posted in this thread, but they're definitely a minority. For crazy left poo poo, see Daily Kos. And about a third of the time, Mediamatters.
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I must be lucky. The closest thing I got to a crazy conservative thing appearing on my Facebook was someone excited about Jon McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate.
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Finally something to put in this thread:DadEmail posted:To all,
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Oh God no, don't let us end up like the British. What those peasants do in those godforsaken hellholes of islands can scarcely be called "living" by any rational being.
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What's mind boggling to me, is that he sees what he takes as fact, and the problem he points out doesn't start with the fact that a quarter of the people FILING make less than 15,000 a year. Also, he's completely ignoring reality. He's arbitrarily picking out a convenient label of "rich" at 75k+ while most tax rate increases being proposed generally start at 250k+, well over 3 times as much money.
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I've been seeing this pop up other places too. The template seems to be "Even if we took <liberal idea> to the theoretical maximum it wouldn't be enough to fix the budget!" I saw it applied to military spending on slashdot. "Even if we cut all funding to the military it wouldn't fix the national debt!" They conveniently ignore that liberals propose doing numerous things to a reasonable degree, rather than one thing to the extreme.
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nsaP posted:Finally something to put in this thread: Assuming those numbers are correct (and I wonder how different these numbers would be if we looked at overall tax burden rather than just income tax): Point out to him that the top 20% own about 85% of America's wealth. The fact that they're paying about that proportion (less, even) in taxes is hardly shocking. e: You might also note that the bottom 40% own 0.2% of the wealth, while according to that email it's the bottom 25% that pay 0.2% of the taxes. Sounds like the poor are getting shafted. And what's with the aside, "Just a side note over 1/8th of them live in CA." I don't get the point of that, nor is it surprising: 1/8 of everyone in the US lives in CA. Edit: Somehow I just noticed the apparent solution to this is for us to become an imperialist power that takes over other parts of the world to enslave them and siphon off their resources. Niiice. Choadmaster fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Apr 20, 2011 |
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TerminalSaint posted:I've been seeing this pop up other places too. The template seems to be "Even if we took <liberal idea> to the theoretical maximum it wouldn't be enough to fix the budget!" I saw it applied to military spending on slashdot. "Even if we cut all funding to the military it wouldn't fix the national debt!" There's also often a heavy conflation of deficit/budget and debt. Debt won't be 'fixed' in a single year no matter what you do, the deficit could be. Ofcourse, given the economic situation, it's not really desirable to do so.
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Miss Fats posted:What's mind boggling to me, is that he sees what he takes as fact, and the problem he points out doesn't start with the fact that a quarter of the people FILING make less than 15,000 a year.
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