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Sunday Punch, if I thought I was hardcore, that's pretty much toast now.  I have the Apogee Books volume on Dyna-Soar, the included CD has a great film of the show they put on back then.  http://www.secretprojects.co.uk Register or you won't see the pictures. Book authors hang there and share things, many from the Cold War.
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^^^There's some pretty cool stuff in there, thanks! What if the N1 hadn't been such a colossal failure? What if the Russkies had beaten the US to the moon?  Would have been awfully lonely up there, the LK lander only had room for a single cosmonaut.
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Sunday Punch posted:^^^There's some pretty cool stuff in there, thanks! One frikin' dude alone making the entire trip, complete with multiple spacewalks to get to and from his lander and command module? That's pretty ballsy. Doing it in Soviet era "JUST GET IT DONE!!" style equipment and engineering, that's loving crazy. Had the N1 been slightly less lovely, they could have stranded a half a dozen cosmonauts on the moon before they got one back alive. It might be good for when the aliens show up to have the dessicated mummy of a human in a space suit on the moon next to his lovely lunar lander that wouldn't ascend.
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Apr 16, 2011 13:29
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NosmoKing posted:One frikin' dude alone making the entire trip, complete with multiple spacewalks to get to and from his lander and command module? There would always have been the risk of defection, too.
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Sunday Punch posted:What if the Russkies had beaten the US to the moon? Then it would have been a new race to send a man to Mars.
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Craptacular posted:Then it would have been a new race to send a man to Mars. I heard some scientists in the 80's pitched a joint mission to Mars, that would have cost less than the Apollo program. The Russians were onboard with it but Reagan shot it down because 'gently caress dem commies'. Someone find me some proof of this, I heard it from my brother, he may have been high on cosmoline...
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Flanker posted:I heard some scientists in the 80's pitched a joint mission to Mars, that would have cost less than the Apollo program. The Russians were onboard with it but Reagan shot it down because 'gently caress dem commies'. Stephen Baxter's Voyage Perhaps?
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e: ^^ Voyage is great, it's a pretty compelling alternate history. Although in the story, NERVA goes prompt critical on its first test flight and horribly irradiates the crew. That made me a little sad.Flanker posted:I heard some scientists in the 80's pitched a joint mission to Mars, that would have cost less than the Apollo program. The Russians were onboard with it but Reagan shot it down because 'gently caress dem commies'. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,967625-1,00.html http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1988-05-25/news/8802010075_1_spacecraft-scientific-space-soyuz-space-mission I'm not sure how far they went with the planning but it was proposed at least. Sunday Punch fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Apr 16, 2011 |
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Know what owns? B1-B Lancers, that's what. I've got a few more of it refueling if anyone's interested.
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Helter Skelter posted:Know what owns? B1-B Lancers, that's what. Could we get some talk about B-1Bs and their use of sonic dash in Afghanistan?
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daskrolator posted:Could we get some talk about B-1Bs and their use of sonic dash in Afghanistan? If by talk you mean me making orgasm noises? Then yes. in 06 I saw a B1B hit an IED facility with two 1000 pounder duds, then a 2000 pounder. Well, I mostly heard it on the radio, and heard the aircraft, it was at night. I definitely saw the explosion though, some Jerry Bruckheimer poo poo a few kms to my right.
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NosmoKing posted:It might be good for when the aliens show up to have the dessicated mummy of a human in a space suit on the moon next to his lovely lunar lander that wouldn't ascend. I'm imagining each successive cosmonaut climbing out of his lander and being given the task of collecting the body of his comrade for burial. That's a very Soviet sounding task list. 1. Land on moon by self in shoddily built equipment 2. Attend to mass grave 3. Raise glorious flag of socialism over moon! 4. TBD
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The best part about being in South Dakota is being next to a whole bunch of B-1B's. Was always great when my high school would host a golf tournament and a B1 would take off, since the course is probably a mile away from the runway, if not less. Cell Phone pic to give you an idea of how close this golf course is to the runway.  And some older pictures that I think I've posted before and decided to put on imgur in case the old ones in the thread die. The view from my back porch:  Wheeee  I've gotten to fly in the B1 simulator that they have on the base as well. Flying one of those 50-100 feet above the ground going at speed is a wild ride.
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Helter Skelter posted:Know what owns? B1-B Lancers, that's what. Now for the shots they don't want you to see..   I got stuck second in line for takeoff behind one of these bastards. Feeling your internal organs jiggle is a very unusual experience.
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Flanker posted:If by talk you mean me making orgasm noises? Then yes. Sure it was a 1000 pounder Mk 83 bomb body? AFAIK the Bone doesn't regularly employ those...the only AF jet that does so is the F-22, and that's only because the Mk 84 bomb body won't fit in the main weapons bay since it was originally designed to only have to carry AIM-120s; the air to mud stuff got added on after the dimensions were set. All other AF aircraft generally only employ the Mk 82 500 lbs bomb bodies and the Mk 84s (as far as GP bomb bodies go...obviously you've got BLU-109/BLU-116 penetrators, the BLU-113 super penetrator, and other stuff). The Navy on the other hand employs the Mk 83 bomb body quite frequently. old dog child posted:A certain Air Force officer needs to finish his CAS write up. Haha, I was wondering if anyone was going to call me on that. No promises, but hopefully this weekend. I would've done it sooner, but I've been TDY 6 of the past 10 weeks with a PCA job change in the middle...3 weeks in Korea and 3 weeks at AFCOMAC, going to school to build a shitload of bombs and drink a shitload of beer, not necessarily in that order.
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iyaayas01 posted:Sure it was a 1000 pounder Mk 83 bomb body? No. I can't confirm exact bomb types and weights. This was all second hand over the radio. Two duds were dropped, and then a heavier bomb dropped on top of those.
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Flanker posted:I heard some scientists in the 80's pitched a joint mission to Mars, that would have cost less than the Apollo program. The Russians were onboard with it but Reagan shot it down because 'gently caress dem commies'. From Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" quote:In the 1980s, I thought I saw a coherent justification for human missions to Mars. I imagined the United States and the Soviet Union, the two Cold War rivals that had put our global civilization at risk, joining together in a far-seeing, high-technology endeavor that would give hope to people everywhere. I pictured a kind of Apollo program in reverse, in which cooperation, not competition, was the driving force, in which the two leading space-faring nations would together lay the groundwork for a major advance in human history - the eventual settlement of another planet.
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old dog child posted:A certain Air Force officer needs to finish his CAS write up. Hahaha you say that like the Air Force knows anything about CAS other than what they cribbed off the sea services' footnotes.
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I get to play on B1s a few times a year, just went to Dyess a few weeks ago just before the Libya stuff. Although I think they were out of Elsworth...and spend some time at the test wing at Edwards. I can (maybe) talk a bit about the Radar system...obviously can't get into some things, but ask away.Propagandalf posted:Now for the shots they don't want you to see.. Tinker huh? Mr. Despair posted:
Did the Sim let you run the controls at that altitude? I haven't been able to experience it yet, but the 'initiation' of a new engineers at Edwards during B1 testing was to take them out to the lake bed when the B1 was doing 200 ft TFs standing in the flight path...someday I'll be there with a camera. Plinkey fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Apr 23, 2011 |
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Plinkey posted:I get to play on B1s a few times a year, just went to Dyess a few weeks ago just before the Libya stuff. Although I think they were out of Elsworth...and spend some time at the test wing at Edwards. I can (maybe) talk a bit about the Radar system...obviously can't get into some things, but ask away. Before 9/11 I got to go out to some of the roads that butt right against some of the runways, and test beds out Edwards in the desert (have family in the area that kenw all of the cool spots to go to) and got to see some B1's hauling rear end at, to a 15 yr old me, seemed to be right over our heads. The one thing I remember is how drat loud they were and how close we got to them. I could feel my fillings rattle as they were doing their bombing runs, or whatever they do out there. One of the coolest things I've ever wittnessed. Also had a flat tire on the way out to Edwards so while chilling on the side of some random Mojave desert road a B-2 was out doing some runs or something and was seemingly giving us a free show at a really, really low altitude. Those things are surprisingly quiet until they fly past you. This was back in '97 or so when the B2 was pretty new for the public (I think?)
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Plinkey posted:Did the Sim let you run the controls at that altitude? It did. It also simulated the broken controls that happened when the guy who had the stick before me flew. 100 feet off the ground without the ability to trim for level flight was wild, but didn't last long.
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zinc68 posted:Before 9/11 I got to go out to some of the roads that butt right against some of the runways, and test beds out Edwards in the desert (have family in the area that kenw all of the cool spots to go to) and got to see some B1's hauling rear end at, to a 15 yr old me, seemed to be right over our heads. The one thing I remember is how drat loud they were and how close we got to them. I could feel my fillings rattle as they were doing their bombing runs, or whatever they do out there. They were most likely doing TF testing or training runs, basically the Radar flys the plane keeping it X ft above the ground. I think this was mostly designed to go behind enemy lines below Radar and then pull up to drop bombs. I think it's mostly used for 'force projection' now. Basically do a low pass loud as poo poo to say that you're there to the bad guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEfFhFV3_M - Here's a pretty cool, but short video. Also watching a B1 taxi and take off and dusk/night is one of the coolest things to see in person. Mr. Despair posted:It did. It also simulated the broken controls that happened when the guy who had the stick before me flew. 100 feet off the ground without the ability to trim for level flight was wild, but didn't last long. Cool. I don't know enough about the avionics to really comment, but I've never had a chance to get into a flight sim for the B1.
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Plinkey posted:I think it's mostly used for 'force projection' now. Basically do a low pass loud as poo poo to say that you're there to the bad guys. Show Of Force. 
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Propagandalf posted:Show Of Force. Let's agree to call it "scare the poo poo out of the bad guys".
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So somebody made a modern port of the old Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space game. Got to beat those commies! We can't let ourselves fall behind in the Space Race, boys.  Moscow demands results! The sacrifices of our comrades lost to space will be remembered. 
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Helter Skelter posted:I've got a few more of it refueling if anyone's interested.
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Insert name here posted:You better be posting these images as soon as you get them. If I don't fill up half my hard drive with refueling pictures by the time this thread is done I will be very disappointed. For more pretty pictures, here is the DVIDS profile page for my brother-in-law.  
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Helter Skelter posted:Look up. Sure is pretty...too bad the Bone is an absolute pig maintenance wise and a royal pain in the rear end to build/load bombs for.
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Are there any photos around of the "stealth" blackhawk that was supposedly used to insert/extract the SEAL team to get bin laden? Aside from the smashed up tail section of the one that ditched and was destroyed, that is. http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-05/secret-stealth-helicopters-ferried-troops-obl-kill-operation I'm guessing "probably not"
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priznat posted:Are there any photos around of the "stealth" blackhawk that was supposedly used to insert/extract the SEAL team to get bin laden? Check out: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid and http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12597.msg123624/topicseen.html#msg123624
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They were using special bullets that turn their victims into a ton of metal debris that looks suspiciously like a tailfin. Less gruesome than primitive bullets, and you can sell the corpses for scrap metal.  I am talking out of my rear end, but feel free to add my speculation to conspiracy theory of your choice
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Here's some illustrations from a 70s Sikorsky design study for low radar cross section modifications for the Blackhawk. Obviously the idea of a stealthy Blackhawk has been around for a long time, but it would be pretty interesting if it turns out the crashed chopper is just such an aircraft. No details on the rotors (too bad), the main changes are a pointed nose and sloped fuselage sides:  Maybe the mystery helicopter looked something like this? Or possibly this:  
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Sunday Punch posted:Here's some illustrations from a 70s Sikorsky design study for low radar cross section modifications for the Blackhawk. Obviously the idea of a stealthy Blackhawk has been around for a long time, but it would be pretty interesting if it turns out the crashed chopper is just such an aircraft. No details on the rotors (too bad), the main changes are a pointed nose and sloped fuselage sides: I apologize for having forgotten your Archives upgrade in return for the Dynasoar post. Enjoy!
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Sunday Punch posted:
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Plinkey posted:I'm still not entirely clear as to how they get rid of the huge Doppler shift you'd see with the blades spinning as fast as they are. It's just harder to detect than usual. There's no way they made a RW aircraft that comes anywhere close to what low observable FW aircraft can do as far as low observability. I imagine this just allows them to bypass certain radars or get closer to other radars where they would normally be detected at longer range. I don't know, and if I did I couldn't say, but I would bet that if you put this type of aircraft close to a Sentinel radar or Patriot radar or the like, it would show up no problem. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 22:57 on May 5, 2011 |
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