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For the two main grappling arts, who in MMA history has had the best credentials/pedigree? As far as wrestling goes, it would be Coleman, right? Are there any other Olympic wrestlers turned mixed martial artists? BJJ, my knowledge is more limited. I would assume either Roger Gracie or Ricardo Arona?
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Apr 19, 2011 06:44
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Rulon Gardner has the best wrestling pedigree, he is an NCAA All American and won the Gold Medal in Greco 
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Apr 19, 2011 06:59
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determining who has the best 'pedigree' is a fickle topic and in my opinion you're best off just saying 'there's a bunch of really high level dudes who have won a lot of prestigious events.' you have different styles of wrestling at the Olympic level (well, two of them, hopefully Funk Wrestling is added soon) and while Coleman is as far as I know the freestyle wrestler who placed the highest, Matt Lindland won a silver medal at the 2000 games in Greco Roman. I don't think that means that one of them has a better pedigree than the other based on a medal or that the aggregate of their amateur careers could determine that, they're both really good and competed at the highest levels in different styles. Off the top of my head Chael Sonnen was an Olympic alternate and Joe Warren would've competed in 2008 but he popped for marijuana because he is Joe Warren and gives no fucks. I'm likely forgetting some people. Arona winning the ADCC absolute class means yeah, the guy is a loving phenomenal submission grappler, but is that better than Werdum because Werdum just won his weight class, albeit twice? how does the ADCC stack up against the Mundials or other international BJJ competition for gauging where BJJ players stack up against each other pedigree wise? Cassio Werneck has won a ton of international competitions with Jiu-Jitsu in the name but only fought in MMA twice, there's other guys who smash competitions but haven't fought MMA much, should they go in front of guys who have won less stuff but have more fights? Roger Gracie has definitely Run poo poo when it comes to competition though, but again there are just a ton of highly decorated guys in wrestling and BJJ so trying to pinpoint best credentials when, especially with wrestling, they come from different styles and levels of competition before jumping into MMA that I think it's more headache than it's worth to go past 'There's a ton of really good dudes and they can all kick my rear end' maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Apr 19, 2011 |
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Apr 19, 2011 07:08
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Matt Lindland has a silver medal but Mark Coleman's trading card is worth 4 bonus points sooo
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Apr 19, 2011 07:13
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I think a better question is what high level amateur wrestler has the least child like balls or which Brazilian grappler has the best excuses
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Apr 19, 2011 07:14
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maffew buildings posted:I think a better question is which Brazilian grappler has the best excuses Obviously Big Nog. "I got run over by a truck as a child; this explains how the rest of my life unfolded."
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Apr 19, 2011 07:20
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answer: this kid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQnsQSRVZno and either of one these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBb2xQZ4O0 Nog getting run over was an inspirational source of strength though, the guy never used it as an excuse, like 'I got jungle fever chasing a rogue pitbull through the Amazon so yeah' or 'I kind of had roofie withdrawals and Jesus made passes at me in the cage'
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Apr 19, 2011 07:20
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maffew buildings posted:I think a better question is what high level amateur wrestler has the least child like balls or which Brazilian grappler has the best excuses Do testicles scale with body size? In proportional terms at least I'm sure Joe Warren's balls are immense, but I'm not sure if they stack up to heavyweights who are literally twice his mass.
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Apr 19, 2011 07:22
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maffew buildings posted:Nog getting run over was an inspirational source of strength though, the guy never used it as an excuse, like 'I got jungle fever chasing a rogue pitbull through the Amazon so yeah' or 'I kind of had roofie withdrawals and Jesus made passes at me in the cage' jokes.jpg
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Apr 19, 2011 07:26
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maffew buildings posted:'I got jungle fever chasing a rogue pitbull through the Amazon so yeah' How else is a reward hunter going to make a living?
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Apr 19, 2011 07:27
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kimbo305 posted:jokes.jpg did you look sad when you posted that?
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Apr 19, 2011 07:52
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Roger's BJJ/NO-Gi record is second to none. He's won his weight class at the Worlds every year since 2004, and he has 4 absolute titles(and was screwed out of at least one more). He's won both his weight class and the absolute at ADCC(including finishing everyone at ADCC 2005). Werdum and Arona are amazing, but if you include gi results they don't have nearly the same pedigree as Roger does.
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Apr 19, 2011 08:53
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is roger in the cool gracie group with the renzos of this world or is he a bit of a dick/annoying like most of them?
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Paul Pot posted:is roger in the cool gracie group with the renzos of this world or is he a bit of a dick/annoying like most of them? He's an entertaining can crusher in MMA, so there's that.
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Paul Pot posted:is roger in the cool gracie group with the renzos of this world or is he a bit of a dick/annoying like most of them? He trains out of England and really doesn't seem to do all that much with the other Gracies. He's also related on his mom's side, his real name is Gracie-Gomez or something like that. Roger plays very simple (at least appears simple) bjj and sticks to fundamentals, he also eschews making money from sponsors or selling books/DVDs, but he's not always bitching about "The Decline and Fall of Bjj" or claiming to be better than everyone, like some of his relatives. So C) None of the Above. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 20, 2011 |
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Apr 19, 2011 15:56
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Paul Pot posted:is roger in the cool gracie group with the renzos of this world or is he a bit of a dick/annoying like most of them? Roger trains with Renzo and Almeida to prep for fights and he is a pleasant, chill guy.
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Apr 19, 2011 16:02
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cool, always liked his minimalist approach in terms of technique and the plain gi, but you never know (i once believed rogan that anderson was "so deep into this bushido spirit" and that randy was a classy guy)
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Apr 19, 2011 17:03
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do you mean eschews or am i confused about how commerce works
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Apr 20, 2011 00:11
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Gomi Pile posted:do you mean eschews or am i confused about how commerce works Seriously, what the gently caress.
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Apr 20, 2011 01:31
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Gomi Pile posted:do you mean eschews or am i confused about how commerce works Why not both
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eschews. Did not even notice that.
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Apr 20, 2011 15:46
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There was a clip I saw recently of Dana White yelling about how Steve Mazagatti is a terrible ref, shouldn't be watching fights, etc. What was the event that provoked that? Is there some consensus on which refs are good and bad?
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Apr 21, 2011 01:59
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Snowman_McK posted:There was a clip I saw recently of Dana White yelling about how Steve Mazagatti is a terrible ref, shouldn't be watching fights, etc. What was the event that provoked that? Is there some consensus on which refs are good and bad? I think it's a case of events plural, he occasionally stops fights early and I think stopped a fight declaring it a sub when one fighter didn't tap or quit. He might have been responsible for that really awkward moment in the drago fight ages ago too. Either way he's not inherently terrible just quick to stop fights.
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BlindSite posted:I think it's a case of events plural, he occasionally stops fights early and I think stopped a fight declaring it a sub when one fighter didn't tap or quit. He might have been responsible for that really awkward moment in the drago fight ages ago too. Its not just that he is quick to stop fights... dude is just like half the other MMA officials and has no clue whats going on in the fights. He's better than the John Schorle's of the world but the guys is an idiot.
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Apr 21, 2011 02:39
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his badness does not approach that of dan miragliotta yet seldom is heard a discouraging word about big dan
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Apr 21, 2011 02:44
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Someone post the .gif. of Carwin beating Mir's lifeless corpse as Dan watches.
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BlindSite posted:
for most of mazzagatti's career he was the most blood thirsty ref in the business. he was steve let um die mazzagatti. things are so different now 
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attackmole posted:Someone post the .gif. of Carwin beating Mir's lifeless corpse as Dan watches.  poo poo, Big Dan's not in that one.  and the long form too big to embed which is way uglier.
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BlindSite posted:I think it's a case of events plural, he occasionally stops fights early and I think stopped a fight declaring it a sub when one fighter didn't tap or quit. He might have been responsible for that really awkward moment in the drago fight ages ago too. that was yves lavigne with a relatively uncharacteristic gently caress up that had hilarious consequences and was appreciated greatly, by me
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Apr 21, 2011 05:39
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LIKE TEN DICKS posted:that was yves lavigne with a relatively uncharacteristic gently caress up that had hilarious consequences and was appreciated greatly, by me i think it was the brown/sell fight that yves lavigne hosed up really really badly where "the immortal" had to tell him that continuing was FUBAR.
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pete drago sell
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Apr 21, 2011 05:58
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Why do people hate on Tim Sylvia? Was he just a boring champ?
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Pretty sure Dana's disdain for Mazzagatti stems from the first Lesnar/Mir fight where he docked Lesnar a point for punching Mir in the back of the head a bunch, which allowed Mir to recover and eventually submit him. There was some question over whether Mazzagatti had given Brock any warnings before he elected to stop the action and deduct a point.
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Lazy like a Fox posted:Why do people hate on Tim Sylvia? Was he just a boring champ? He had boring fights but his biggest problem was whenever someone put a microphone near him he was obnoxious at best
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Lazy like a Fox posted:Why do people hate on Tim Sylvia? Was he just a boring champ? As to why I've bothered to devote this much text to why Tim Sylvia sucks: I'm doing you a favour. This way, you get an answer to your question without having to watch any Tim Sylvia fights. He's also an awkward guy with low self-esteem. And unfortunately, he's the kind that is just too annoying and ingratiating for you to feel totally sorry for him.
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Apr 21, 2011 21:59
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I cheered for Timy Sylvia when he fought Pudz, am I a bad person?
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You should be institutionalized.
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fawker posted:I cheered for Timy Sylvia when he fought Pudz, am I a bad person? No because the outcome was funny.
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Apr 21, 2011 22:23
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Sylvia literally pooped his pants during a fight. He also bragged about wearing his champ belt during sex.
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colonel_korn posted:Pretty sure Dana's disdain for Mazzagatti stems from the first Lesnar/Mir fight where he docked Lesnar a point for punching Mir in the back of the head a bunch, which allowed Mir to recover and eventually submit him. There was some question over whether Mazzagatti had given Brock any warnings before he elected to stop the action and deduct a point. Dana was bitching about Mazzagatti long before the Lesnar/Mir fight.
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