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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:I can't get over how poo poo the GTAIV music selection is, especially after the absolute brilliance of SA. I know different strokes and all that, but... really? I felt like SA had way too much filler - R&B and "slow jams" are great, but the actual ones they picked for that game were fairly mediocre, and the New Jack Swing station was a nostalgia trip for gamers significantly older than their core audience. The entire Country station, while having several awesome songs, was mostly a gimmick and I'd bet cash money most players never listened to it at all. The oldschool hip-hop stations had some good stuff, but was also full of odd choices. They got Public Enemy, and went with "Rebel Without a Pause"? Not "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos" which is basically the perfect GTA song? Of all the great Eric B. and Rakim songs, they went with "I Know You Got Soul"? Seriously? Not "Lyrics of Fury"? I'll give you the Alternative and Classic Rock stations, those were just packed with solid gold and had some fantastic unlikely choices, like Stone Roses and Primal Scream. And this part is probably just me being a snob, but the House station was really limp. Anyway, all I really want in GTA5 is a Classic Alternative stations that plays like, The Smiths and Joy Division and The Stooges and The Buzzcocks and stuff.
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Doppelganger posted:Manhunt was unique; in no other game are you being coerced into acting in a snuff film. The scenarios you fight through are contrived, but that fits because there is a psychotic director who has carefully planned everything out. Cash is believable as a relentless killer because he was abducted from the execution chamber. Regardless of one's opinion of how fun the game is, at the very least the atmosphere is consistent. I completely agree. It was interesting to play through once, but the plot was as hackneyed as you can get. I even recall the "twist" being explicitly stated in previews, and I think even straight from Rockstar. So I knew going in what was up, but they had to pretend it was some big twist. And they went from the cool 70's exploitation film plot of the first game and went into a David Fincher/Eli Roth rip-off for the sequel. Plus, you play as a mild-mannered, be-spectacled scientist. We know going in that he doesn't want to kill, and yet they make you casually mutilate and brutalize people. Some of the executions are completely unavoidable, so there's no real way to play it non-violently. The whole setting and everything doesn't make sense for the protagonist. It only makes sense if you play the game "too" violently, and you get the ending where it turns out that Leo was completely in control the entire game. Compare that to the first, like you said. The protagonist is a death-row inmate, he's being told what to do and where to go by a sick film director and the gruesome executions are part of the snuff-film gameplay. It's horrible stuff but it fits and works in the setting. The executions in Manhunt 2 feel completely unnecessary and unbelievable for the character committing them.
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Mr. Stingly posted:They also need to turn down cop spawns BIG TIME. This is bullshit and not even really funny. I just ran a toll booth. There was a cruiser there, so he took off after me, I shot him, three stars. Because it was on a highway a roadblock popped right up, a police chopper and some random cars spawned. So in the end, I shot one cop and had a helicopter and NINE cruisers respond within five seconds, no exaggeration. This game really needs a trainer to make it fun.
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nnnnghhhhgnnngh posted:YES. I don't think you "get" the point of cops in GTA games.
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:I can't get over how poo poo the GTAIV music selection is, especially after the absolute brilliance of SA. The only other open world game I've played with a really good diverse soundtrack was Saint's Row 2.
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precision posted:I know different strokes and all that, but... really? I felt like SA had way too much filler - R&B and "slow jams" are great, but the actual ones they picked for that game were fairly mediocre, and the New Jack Swing station was a nostalgia trip for gamers significantly older than their core audience. The entire Country station, while having several awesome songs, was mostly a gimmick and I'd bet cash money most players never listened to it at all. Huh? I was 18/19 when GTASA came out and the New Jack Swing station was a huge nostalgia trip for me and my favorite station. Wasn't I in their target audience at that age? I think GTASA's soundtrack is wonderfully diverse. Whalley posted:Are you kidding me. It's the only game I've ever played with a decent selection of good hardcore, the hipster station kicked rear end, the russian station was incredible and the other stations were just really really great. It's the only GTA game I've played where I haven't gotten sick of the music at any point playing the game. Yeah, you have to have narrow minded tastes as all gently caress to think GTA4's soundtrack selection was poor. I mean seriously. I know different strokes and all but what the gently caress.
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I like almost all kinds of music and I think GTA4's music was terrible with the exception of LRR and Vladivostok FM. Every previous GTA had vastly superior music selections that showed a lot more care. EFLC's music selection is absolute garbage, with the exception again of LRR. I don't think there's a single new song on any other station that is any good. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 24, 2011 |
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Apr 24, 2011 19:09
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I didn't find GTA IV's music selection to be "bad", just forgettable. I liked most of the stuff I heard, but it blended into the background for the most part. I never had a moment in the game where I'd hear one particularly appropriate song for the situation and start getting riled up, or singing along or anything like that. Vice City's soundtrack was absolutely amazing, though. Perfectly captured the atmosphere and setting, and every single track was memorable.
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Apr 24, 2011 19:17
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Himuro posted:Better yet, include the Saints Row car garage! The problem with GTA is that you get a great car and you're scared to take it out because if it blows up, it's gone forever. That'd be nice as well. Saint's Row 2 had a really nice reward system going on.
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Anybody who didn't know a majority of the songs in GTAIV already, or considers it a weak soundtrack should not be expressing their opinions on music. There are so many classic songs in that game, Zombie by Fela Kuti, Five to One by The Doors, Its The Limit by Cro-Mags, but the real point of the radio in the game was to celebrate and replicate the musical cultures of New York City. When you listen to the hip-hop station it sounds like the real station Hot 97, the classic rock station plays songs you would be hearing on a real classic rock station in NYC at the time the game came out, same with the club poo poo in ballad of gay tony. I always see people complaining about GTAIV because it didn't meet their gamer expectations or whatever but noone seems to understand what Rockstar was trying to do with the game, and that is recreate the experience of being in New York in the mid 2000s.
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Apr 24, 2011 19:44
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My problem with the radios in GTA games is the same problem I have with actual radio stations in that there are 3 or 4 songs I really like, and the rest I have no opinion of and don't really want to hear. It's much easier to just load up Independent FM with stuff I really, actually like and switch all my cars to that. The Russian station was awesome, though, and reminded me of the years I lived in Ukraine. 
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How to not suck at police chases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSIX4aQMUbg I picked a pretty slow/boaty car, and even got my tire shot out 3/4ths through. If the cops see you on one street they will keep deploying on that street, make a quick turn when they can't see you. Cage fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 24, 2011 |
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Apr 24, 2011 19:49
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Tewratomeh posted:I didn't find GTA IV's music selection to be "bad", just forgettable. I liked most of the stuff I heard, but it blended into the background for the most part. I never had a moment in the game where I'd hear one particularly appropriate song for the situation and start getting riled up, or singing along or anything like that. GTA4 was the only game where I actually turned off the radio sometimes because I was sick of hearing the same old songs and talky bits. I don't know what went wrong there, but it felt like a lot of songs would repeat constantly. Maybe they were going for radio paylist realism but I didn't like it. I agree with VC's radio being amazing, and its probably my favorite radio in all of the GTAs.
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Nevermind, it worked once I resubmitted the request. The first link that was mailed to me didn't have an ID number, for some reason. Zero Star fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 24, 2011 |
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Apr 24, 2011 20:37
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Cage posted:How to not suck at police chases: How did you get rid of the grey filter over everything and get it to look so clean?
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Apr 24, 2011 20:46
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Clean? Looks like it's missing shadows and lighting and well, everything really.
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Himuro posted:Clean? Looks like it's missing shadows and lighting and well, everything really. Yeah that is obvious, but somehow he also managed to get rid of the grey filter that is over the game and his colors are actually not shades of grey.
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Cage posted:How to not suck at police chases: Good chase but it still highlights everything I dislike about GTA4's wanted system. Notice those cop respanws and how long it takes to get out of the circle? Still, pretty good. Fantastic music choice. I should get GTA triple pack on steam. I have a feeling I'll enjoy the games A LOT more on pc.
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GAY RETARD posted:Anybody who didn't know a majority of the songs in GTAIV already, or considers it a weak soundtrack should not be expressing their opinions on music. I guess that's the reason why I don't like it, I just don't listen to music all that much. I'll admit that they did a very good job selecting an atmospheric soundtrack, I just happen to hate most of it. Maybe going for a less recognizable selection of songs was a better choice, VC and SA had (in my opinion) far better music but hearing well known songs tends to break the bizarro world immersion in GTA, which generally excellent in IV. Then of course they have Ricky Gervais for no reason at all, hating his act is probably less controversial.
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Zedd posted:Yeah that is obvious, but somehow he also managed to get rid of the grey filter that is over the game and his colors are actually not shades of grey. That's what the PC version looks like with "Definition" on, the contrast turned down a bit, brightness all the way up, and saturation up to around 60-75%.
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Himuro posted:Good chase but it still highlights everything I dislike about GTA4's wanted system. Notice those cop respanws and how long it takes to get out of the circle? It takes that long to get out of the circle because he has four stars. Depending on how wanted you are, that's how big the circle is. So if you don't want a car chase and you have two stars, it's a small circle and you can get out quickly. Unlike the GTAIII era where if you do anything more than wave at a cop wrong you get two stars and its an instant police chase with cops spawning ahead of you and it turns into three stars and four stars and so on. You can choose whether or not you want to escalate it in IV.
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Away all Goats posted:GTA4 was the only game where I actually turned off the radio sometimes because I was sick of hearing the same old songs and talky bits. I don't know what went wrong there, but it felt like a lot of songs would repeat constantly. Maybe they were going for radio paylist realism but I didn't like it. Did you not enjoy Integrity 2.0 when that station came up?
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Lurchibles posted:Did you not enjoy Integrity 2.0 when that station came up? I enjoyed it, but personally I like Maurice Chavez a lot more as a radio host. I'm probably biased though because I honestly played VC for so many hours.
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The only radio station I really listened to in GTA4 was The Journey, I found it the least obnoxious to listen to while driving around and the borderline-psychotic computer DJ reminded me of GLADOS from Portal.
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One thing I really do love about IV is that it lets you disable people without killing them. I'm pretty much Terminator 2ing the game, sorry about your kneecaps SWAT team.
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I think another thing is that by avoiding a lot of popular anthems in GTA IV, it kind of really helped establish a different world from our own. Different songs became popular than what we got in real life, and kind of changed the cultural fabric. Plus I think it was really admirable to try and get the New York musical culture and, hell, musical culture in general put together without relying on the same standards that they and everyone else have been using for so long. But the radio restarting thing was pretty drat annoying though. I seriously can not imagine that helped anyone appreciate the soundtrack. Himuro posted:Sounds like you have a narrow taste in music, buddy. I'm glad you said that. I almost always want to but never do. e: ElwoodCuse posted:The best cop spawning ridiculousness was to get a fairly high wanted level in San Andreas and hover just off the edge of a cliff with the jetpack. The police never stop driving at you and going over the cliff. I have to go install GTA:SA for no reason. Now.
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The best cop spawning ridiculousness was to get a fairly high wanted level in San Andreas and hover just off the edge of a cliff with the jetpack. The police never stop driving at you and going over the cliff.
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Do any any players from the US or at least English-speaking people of other countries play San Andreas Multiplayer anymore? Not that I ever paid attention to or participated in the chat, but every time I've been on a US server at least (at least) 95% of the people have either insanely high pings or are speaking some language that has characters my chat doesn't even recognize. Or both. I can barely kill anybody (despite hitting them and blood flying), and the chat looks like this: [RSVP]eljefe: jajajaj LEHLHRLEJrlflah;drheoa [LMNOP]jabroni: 40haogno34g00jëÖ!!!!! [KLR]kill3r: %6^FSLFJlfjljlLFNEERRNNNýÖA
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Zedd posted:How did you get rid of the grey filter over everything and get it to look so clean? MacGyvers_Mullet posted:That's what the PC version looks like with "Definition" on, the contrast turned down a bit, brightness all the way up, and saturation up to around 60-75%. Himuro posted:Clean? Looks like it's missing shadows and lighting and well, everything really. Zigmidge posted:He could have made a 30 second long video by ducking left-right-left-right at every intersection. The cops are idiots in GTA4 and don't have the same kind of infinite respawning advantage they had in the previous three games. Cage fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Apr 24, 2011 |
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Himuro posted:Good chase but it still highlights everything I dislike about GTA4's wanted system. Notice those cop respanws and how long it takes to get out of the circle? He could have made a 30 second long video by ducking left-right-left-right at every intersection. The cops are idiots in GTA4 and don't have the same kind of infinite respawning advantage they had in the previous three games.
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Cage posted:Contrast and brightness all the way down, saturation all the way up. Still, the main thing was the weather setting. Definition doesnt do anything but get rid of the blur. Yeah, but getting rid of the blur goes a long way towards making the game look "clean."
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Speaking of gta4 soundtrack, is it  for asking where I can find a complete version of IV's soundtrack including both expansions? Because for the life of me, I can't find anything.
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The problem with having less popular songs in the game is that you can't just jump in a car, throw a station on and be "HELL YES I LOVE THIS SONG" and cause mayhem like you can in VC and SA. Not so much for GTAIII since it was all lesser songs. Or maybe I just didn't know any of the songs in it. I mostly just listened to Chatterbox all day because it was the best station.
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The only good radio station in GTAIII was Flash FM. It was nothing but music from Scarface. 
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Kjah was great. I have a soft spot for Lips and Head. Game has good rap.
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Cojawfee posted:The problem with having less popular songs in the game is that you can't just jump in a car, throw a station on and be "HELL YES I LOVE THIS SONG" and cause mayhem like you can in VC and SA. Not so much for GTAIII since it was all lesser songs. Or maybe I just didn't know any of the songs in it. I mostly just listened to Chatterbox all day because it was the best station. The only stations I'd bother listening to besides In/FM was jazz nation and fusion.
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Starhawk64 posted:The only good radio station in GTAIII was Flash FM. It was nothing but music from Scarface.  Also: The classical station.
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I just installed San Andreas again because it's only five gigs and I'm bored. After having to to the nocd thing to get 1.0 (and seriously, the max res is 1680x1050?) I rediscovered the greatest pastime in all of San Andreas. Getting a tractor or tow truck, hooking something up and just dragging it around. And while the original start of the game, CJ riding hi bike into grove street, was alright, mine was better. Nothing is more hilarious than CJ in his jeans and wife beater driving a beat up tractor dragging whatever the Bronco equivalent is into his old neighborhood at five in the morning and saying "Grove street, home. At least, until I hosed everything up."
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Himuro posted:Speaking of gta4 soundtrack, is it I looked around for a long time for some way to rip it like you could do with all the PS2 game discs but never found anything.
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:One thing I really do love about IV is that it lets you disable people without killing them. I'm pretty much Terminator 2ing the game, sorry about your kneecaps SWAT team.
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