|
BigHead posted:Thank you for reiterating my belief that Alaska is the best of anything. I'd be really interested in working up there. Would being on Duke's Alaska Law Journal help slip into an otherwise insular market? How does an out-of-stater typically work his way in? also how much money are we talking about
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 16:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 01:00 |
|
|
I somehow managed to get a summer job that is paid and allows me to work from home.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 16:17
|
|
|
William Munny posted:I somehow managed to get a summer job that is paid and allows me to work from home. My legal secretary convinced her lawyer boyfriend to buy her a $750,000 home and she just quit. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 16:29
|
|
|
CaptainScraps posted:My legal secretary convinced her lawyer boyfriend to buy her a $750,000 home and she just quit. Sounds like you should be a legal secretary and get a lawyer boyfriend.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 16:40
|
|
|
Incitatus posted:Sounds like you should be a legal secretary and get a lawyer boyfriend. I'd be lying if I said I never went to expensive happy hours looking for cougars who are also bigfirm partners. But not manthers. Not that desperate yet.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 16:57
|
|
|
Hey guys, I just wanted to check in after dropping out back in January. I did get accepted to UT's engineering program, but I'm going to take some time off to work for my eccentric boss (salary, benefits, really nice commission program on one project) for a few years so I can save a little money, pay off some of the debt I took on, and enjoy my dissolute twenties and then make the call on the education dealie. Hopefully none of this will result in my untimely death or alcoholism. You guys alright?
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 17:31
|
|
|
Sulecrist posted:I'd be really interested in working up there. Would being on Duke's Alaska Law Journal help slip into an otherwise insular market? How does an out-of-stater typically work his way in? I posted a Barrow PD job a while ago that started at $140k (but then, it's Barrow). It depends on where you go, there's a range for cost of living adjustments. But the bigger cities start at $70k. We're also rolling in oil money these days (thanks for paying $4.50 a gallon suckers!) so there's job security. Also, there are no law schools up here so as long as you have any rational connection to anything you can get in. The public offices hire almost exclusively from clerkships or spouses of current clerks. Anyone can get a clerkship at the trial level, especially if you're willing to go rural. In fact, one of our rural clerks recently got arrested for accessory to murder! So I think there's an opening! The Supremes only hire T14 obv, but being on Duke's Alaska Law Journal should be a pretty sweet connection to getting any clerkship you want. Someone buys all public law employees copies of the Alaska Law Review, I've got half a dozen copies sitting on my desk that I and my predecessors have accumulated. There's also one near my toilet. Other than public law, there are a few jobs here an there, but I only really see stuff advertised to current clerks. Edit: if you buy me a sandwich I can even be a reference for you if you apply after July 5th, when I start my DA job. My brother in law goes to Duke Law so technically you and I are bff. BigHead fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 26, 2011 |
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 17:32
|
|
|
Lawyer & Law School Megathread 13: Alaska, land of frozen milk and honey
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 17:57
|
|
|
CaptainScraps posted:I'd be lying if I said I never went to expensive happy hours looking for cougars who are also bigfirm partners. In this vein can anyone tell me where the local lawyer bar is in Tampa?
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 17:58
|
|
|
Daico posted:Hey guys, I just wanted to check in after dropping out back in January. I'm ok, just really jealous of you 
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 18:00
|
|
|
Incitatus posted:In this vein can anyone tell me where the local lawyer bar is in Tampa? Are you a FL lawyer? Or a law student? (Stetson?)
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 18:49
|
|
|
BigHead posted:Edit: if you buy me a sandwich I can even be a reference for you if you apply after July 5th, when I start my DA job. I would think living in Minnesota is enough for a connection to AK. It is loving cold in both places, the accent is similar, and bachmann is like a clone of palin.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 19:44
|
|
|
nm posted:No, say it ain't so? DA? Interesting idea. I rejected it at first, but on second thought you might have something there. Minnesota is, or used to be, firmly old-school liberal. Alaskans think they aren't, but they live in a de facto welfare state. And Bachmann is like Palin's Mini-Me, although to my horror she will soon overtake her inspiration in popularity.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 19:54
|
|
|
Macunaima posted:Interesting idea. I rejected it at first, but on second thought you might have something there. Minnesota is, or used to be, firmly old-school liberal. Alaskans think they aren't, but they live in a de facto welfare state.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 20:13
|
|
|
nm posted:Just like Bachmann, Palin is a carpetbagger. (Palin is from Idaho) I actually knew Palin before she went national. Nice enough lady, not nearly as crazy and/or dumb in real life as she is on Fox News. Her kids are pretty cool.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 20:44
|
|
|
Law students and law dudes, thanks for humoring my question about my friend. I appreciated all the responses and forwarded him some choice quotes. But as another previous poster said, this is my "smug" Chapman law school friend and he's likely to just laugh it off at how I'm jealous that I'm not in law school. This whole thing begs another question: if the law field is SO hosed up, and that anybody who is willing to pay can go to any bullshit low-tier (no-tier?) law school, why are people still doing it if there are absolutely no jobs and the field is hosed? You'd think people with even a modicum of interest in pursuing law as a career would know about this stuff. Take me for example, I have no desire to pursue this field, but purely because I have friends in it, I know at least the basics of what's going on. However, Lawyer-wannabe Lauren over there who is gung-ho about getting into law school will just blatantly ignore any kind of warnings and continue on the path. Is she just stupid? Does she really not understand the state of the field? Is she just of the idea that law school is what you're SUPPOSED to do after getting your BA/BS? To go back to my friend, his parents are gloriously rich and funding his tuition, so to him it probably didn't make a difference what his outcome would be.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 21:26
|
|
|
BigHead posted:I actually knew Palin before she went national. Nice enough lady, not nearly as crazy and/or dumb in real life as she is on Fox News. Her kids are pretty cool. Totally Negro posted:This whole thing begs another question: if the law field is SO hosed up, and that anybody who is willing to pay can go to any bullshit low-tier (no-tier?) law school, why are people still doing it if there are absolutely no jobs and the field is hosed? People are stupid, impulsive, and think they can get rich quick.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 21:30
|
|
|
quote:This whole thing begs another question: if the law field is SO hosed up, and that anybody who is willing to pay can go to any bullshit low-tier (no-tier?) law school, why are people still doing it if there are absolutely no jobs and the field is hosed? There are jobs, but people overestimate their ability to get them, and much of the rest of the economy is hosed as well, so the alternatives aren't that appealing.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 21:40
|
|
|
Ask your mom what the most profitable and prestigious professions are in the United States. If she's middle class, she'll say "doctors and lawyers." We were smart guys who couldn't do math or science. So we went to be lawyers. It was so easy we should have known it was a trick, but we couldn't or didn't resist. Now we're here.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 21:40
|
|
|
Zo posted:So talks of no overtime for US examiners made me go look it up Yeah, but let's get real, the Examiners usually just say a bunch of crap for the dependent claims anyways. Sometimes it's completely hilarious. Can't blame them because of the time constraints, but it's not like they typically provide an adequate justification for the rejection of the dependent claims.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 21:41
|
|
|
I've figured it out. I can get four Ds this semester and still move onto 3rd year.  If I did manage to get four Ds, that's pretty impressive. That means I managed to collect the only D they hand out in each class. Mind you, I'm pretty sure one of my profs isn't going to hand out a D.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 22:19
|
|
|
Totally Negro posted:Law students and law dudes, thanks for humoring my question about my friend. I appreciated all the responses and forwarded him some choice quotes. But as another previous poster said, this is my "smug" Chapman law school friend and he's likely to just laugh it off at how I'm jealous that I'm not in law school. Because they are beautiful and unique snowflakes, and nothing will ever change their minds of that. They're the 80% of the class who are all convinced that they'll fit into the top 10% of the class. They're the ones who buy into the employment statistics from the schools, rather than looking around and seeing the reality of the situation. Their eyes are shaded, as though they have copies of USNWR's top law schools glued to either side of their heads. And the worst part is, they probably have no loving clue what a lawyer even does.
|
|
#
?
Apr 26, 2011 23:19
|
|
|
rsvandy posted:Yeah, but let's get real, the Examiners usually just say a bunch of crap for the dependent claims anyways. Sometimes it's completely hilarious. Can't blame them because of the time constraints, but it's not like they typically provide an adequate justification for the rejection of the dependent claims. No I agree, and it's not very useful to anyone either, since you basically only ever substantively address the independent claims in a response anyways. I meant it more in the sense that they could spend way less time per OA if they didn't have to come up with so much bullshit, and maybe actually chip away at the backlog.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 00:06
|
|
|
I'm still thrilled to have landed a nonlegal job where most people don't know I'm a lawyer, but I'm low on the totem pole and every now and then I feel like people talk to me like I'm stupid and I get ever so slightly tempted to bust out with "I'll have you know I passed the BAR EXAM" but I don't because I don't want to be That Guy and of course that situation probably wouldn't play out the way it plays out in my head
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 01:17
|
|
|
Do you need to go to law school to take the BAR exam?
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 01:30
|
|
|
Incitatus posted:Do you need to go to law school to take the BAR exam? Depends on jurisdiction.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 01:38
|
|
|
Ainsley McTree posted:I'm still thrilled to have landed a nonlegal job where most people don't know I'm a lawyer, but I'm low on the totem pole and every now and then I feel like people talk to me like I'm stupid and I get ever so slightly tempted to bust out with "I'll have you know I passed the BAR EXAM" but I don't because I don't want to be That Guy and of course that situation probably wouldn't play out the way it plays out in my head Do you still apply to law jobs, or are you done with that for good?
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 01:59
|
|
|
Ganon posted:Do you still apply to law jobs, or are you done with that for good? no interest in it
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 02:09
|
|
|
Zo posted:Thanks for the insight, I knew it was going to snowball the backlog but I had no idea examiners had to do an OA per x hour. I wonder how many hours other jurisdictions spend on OAs. hours per OA is a function of your technical area and your paygrade. Back when my wife worked at the PTO (pharmaceuticals and cosmetics), she had about half the time that I do (software)
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:05
|
|
|
Zo posted:No I agree, and it's not very useful to anyone either, since you basically only ever substantively address the independent claims in a response anyways. I meant it more in the sense that they could spend way less time per OA if they didn't have to come up with so much bullshit, and maybe actually chip away at the backlog. I do software, and occasionally I'll get the series of dependent claims: "42. The system of Claim 41 where the color is chosen by a color wheel. 43. The system of Claim 41 where the color is chosen by keyword. 44. The system of Claim 41 where the color is chosen by color swatch." etc. etc. and I'll just call the attorney and ask, "Are you serious about any of these claims providing novelty or non-obviousness assuming that I'm rejecting Claim 41 or is this just litigation fluff?" I got to throw an unchallenged "official notice that this would have been obvious" rejection, heh.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:09
|
|
|
Another Alaska lawgoon checkin' in. My entry-level PD salary is about 65K in a non-COL-adjusted area. I think we're on the same schedule as the DAs, the AGs get paid a bit more I think. Anyway, it's nice work if you can get it. I feel very lucky.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:11
|
|
|
I'm also working in Alaska as trial court clerk. I was pretty lucky to get the job without having a connection to the state. I did get a good response rate from Alaska when I applied for 2L jobs - phone interviews are the norm so consider Alaska if you are still in law school. Indeed, imagine, if you will, a world with no law schools. Where the constitution grants you the right to possess weed every day (537 P.2d 494). With a unified and super-modern judiciary funded by limitless oil revenue. That's my pitch for Alaska.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:42
|
|
|
Isn't there an awful lot of... like... nature up there?
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:45
|
|
|
Zo posted:No I agree, and it's not very useful to anyone either, since you basically only ever substantively address the independent claims in a response anyways. I meant it more in the sense that they could spend way less time per OA if they didn't have to come up with so much bullshit, and maybe actually chip away at the backlog. Yeah. I remember my first summer interning a fellow intern of mine had a response where the dependent claim mentioned log as in logarithm function and the Examiner cited to something about a user data log.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 03:46
|
|
|
Hey guys you should change the OP the doc review market is really picking up so its all sunshine and rainbows now.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:07
|
|
|
I have docs.. Review them
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:15
|
|
|
Wow, this was not the place to come after yet another fruitless night of searching for jobs for my husband. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:26
|
|
|
RheaConfused posted:Wow, this was not the place to come after yet another fruitless night of searching for jobs for my husband. Why sure it was. Sharing is cathartic. And he's apparently still married, so he's bucking at least that trend. Spill.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:36
|
|
|
RheaConfused posted:Wow, this was not the place to come after yet another fruitless night of searching for jobs for my husband. you search for jobs for your husband? I jokingly asked my non-trad lifestyle associate to help me find a job once and she said "go gently caress yourself. Going to law school was your stupid decision"
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 01:00 |
|
|
intensive purposes posted:Another Alaska lawgoon checkin' in. My entry-level PD salary is about 65K in a non-COL-adjusted area. I think we're on the same schedule as the DAs, the AGs get paid a bit more I think. Anyway, it's nice work if you can get it. I feel very lucky. How would a PD from CA break in to AK? I feel like our state is exploding.
|
|
#
?
Apr 27, 2011 04:50
|
|