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Pope Guilty posted:It reminds me about that line from the World of Darkness thread about how a vampire's going to have a hard time taking on other supernaturals in a fair fight, but if you're a vampire, why on earth would you ever enter a fair fight? Sure, but why would a mage ever enter a fair fight? They're the masters of preparation. One the one hand, we have a dude who can do a ton of damage if he manages to get up close, can sneak and hide well, and can get along with people. On the other hand, we have a dude who can kill you with one spell and doesn't have to get close, can turn invisible, planeshift, scry and teleport, and can Dominate people. It really isn't close unless the rogue gets PC Plot Armor and the wizard is a random NPC who doesn't do anything all day. It just feels okay because people are used to thinking about the Rogue as the well-prepared hero who sneaks into a wizard's tower and overcomes all the tricks and traps, and don't really think of the well prepared wizard who teleports invisibly near the Rogue with a team of summoned elementals, and casts Flesh to Stone (see also: latest OotS.) Because that's not fun to think about, that's just... brutally effective. Ashenai fucked around with this message at 13:31 on May 1, 2011 |
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Ashenai posted:One the one hand, we have a dude who can do a ton of damage if he manages to get up close, can sneak and hide well, and can get along with people. Except the situation was this: Unsuspecting rogue and mage (and bard) are walking along. Disguised enemy mage sees a chance to catch them by surprise. He has 2 targets, one a rogue that prefers archery, the other is a mage that he has a personal grudge against. During his surprise attack, he petrifies the rogue, assuming it's the safer choice. A mage may have a few long term defensive spells up, but a rogue will be less likely to have that. The drow may even have used some detect magic in advance to make this decision. This isn't some 'batman prepared' situation. The drow has the advantage to plan ahead a little, but he can't walk around decked out in every defensive spell known, especially since there are anti-magic fields present in at least the prison and probably elsewhere.
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May 1, 2011 13:59
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A lot of you are conflating "Can a Rogue Assassinate a Wizard" with "Can a Wizard Scry-and-Die a Rogue". Nobody is contesting the latter.
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May 1, 2011 15:32
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Scry and die?
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May 1, 2011 18:19
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Pope Guilty posted:Scry and die? Magically locate, magically isolate, magically annihilate. This derail reminds me of Roy vs the mage in the crowd while he's fighting Thog derail. It's already happened.
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May 1, 2011 18:22
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This derail reminds me of the worst parts of grognards.txt
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May 1, 2011 19:04
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HKR posted:This derail reminds me of the worst parts of grognards.txt This derail reminds of why I consider 4th edition D&D to be vastly superior to 3.5, despite having never played it.
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May 1, 2011 20:30
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This derail has a first name, it's O-S-C-A-R. Edit: In any event, here's hoping V manages to trounce the drow simply by virtue of having a more balanced and less "blow it all up and let the planes sort them out" mindset.
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May 1, 2011 20:31
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Cabbit posted:This derail has a first name, it's O-S-C-A-R. Well, as mentioned, I seem to remember the drow being a sorcerer. So let's be honest with ourselves this is nearly a foregone conclusion.
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Android Blues posted:Well, as mentioned, I seem to remember the drow being a sorcerer. So let's be honest with ourselves this is nearly a foregone conclusion. I think he's a Wizard, as V tried to crib 3.0 Fly off him.
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May 2, 2011 02:52
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Yeah, the sorcerer was that half-elf prick they picked up during their recruitment drive.
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May 2, 2011 05:08
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If someone like me is playing a wizard it could be killed by a couple of commoners, just saying.  Go V! 404GoonNotFound posted:Yeah, the sorcerer was that half-elf prick they picked up during their recruitment drive. Actually he's listed as a conjurer wizard in War and XPs. As far as I know the only sorcerers they've fought are Xykon and that bandit chick.
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May 2, 2011 09:03
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Android Blues posted:Well, as mentioned, I seem to remember the drow being a sorcerer. So let's be honest with ourselves this is nearly a foregone conclusion.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:What class is the biggest sentient threat to the world? Elan's dad appears to be a fighter of some description. 
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May 2, 2011 13:51
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Cabbit posted:I think he's a Wizard, as V tried to crib 3.0 Fly off him. He's a Wizard, specializing in Transmutation spells, as mentioned in the first book (side note: one of Rich's homebrew campaigns has different colors associated with different schools, and the robes of casters specializing in different schools in OotS reflect that as a reference to that campaign. V wears red, Zz'dtri wears green, Pompey wears purple).
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May 2, 2011 16:17
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Derail nothing! When the thread's on the rail it's reposts of the comic followed by one or two "I liked that" posts apiece. Ubernerd arguments about the classes fighting, linked to those classes fighting in the strip, are more fun to pass the time reading.
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May 2, 2011 19:06
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Yeah and it's way better than the official oots forums where it about 20+ pages of nothing but pointless fanboy praise. Exactly why I prefer reading this thread other it.
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May 2, 2011 23:34
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That's because the official forums are the worst forums in the universe, maybe except Gaia forums.
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The rest of that site's forums are useful as a PbP hub, but I have never ventured specifically into the OoTS-discussion board and now I never will.
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May 2, 2011 23:55
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I like reading about the D&D side of Oots like the party level thread cause I don't know very much about tabletop D&D. The forums are good for that kind of minutiae.
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Dr I am a Doctor posted:That's because the official forums are the worst forums in the universe, maybe except Gaia forums. I wouldn't go that far, apart from the oots part it's not that bad and at the Roleplaying Games you can get tons of good help/advice with rp. For free you also get occasional discussions exactly like our previous wizard vs rogue except people there are even bigger nerds. 
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Dr I am a Doctor posted:That's because the official forums are the worst forums in the universe, maybe except Gaia forums. Do those still exist? I remember reading SA articles about them on high school computers, at least 6 or 7 years ago.
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Toussaint Louverture posted:Do those still exist? I remember reading SA articles about them on high school computers, at least 6 or 7 years ago. Gaia, GameFAQs and many other forum cesspools are still running strong.
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May 3, 2011 14:28
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I love the comic, but I haven't played since first edition so all of this discussion is kind of fascinating to me. Is it true that only a 20 sided die is used to play these days?
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TremendousMajestic posted:I love the comic, but I haven't played since first edition so all of this discussion is kind of fascinating to me. Not for damage dealt, which still uses a wide variety of dice. Just Friday I was rolling 4d6(reroll 1s) + 1d6 + 1d8 + 31 for damage.
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TremendousMajestic posted:I love the comic, but I haven't played since first edition so all of this discussion is kind of fascinating to me. No, we still use a set of dice. The comic in enjoyable without the D&D grognardia.
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TremendousMajestic posted:I love the comic, but I haven't played since first edition so all of this discussion is kind of fascinating to me. There is a d20 (think D&D spinoff) system called True20 that uses only a 20 sided dice. It is pretty cool, but official D&D still uses the gamut of dice. That being said most rolls have been standardized to "person doing a thing rolls a d20 and adds a number." So all attacks (inc. spells, dragonsbreath, a trap going off) are rolled by the attacker (wizard, green dragon, spiked pit trap) against the target.
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So is this one of those "wear off over time" spells or is this going to lead to 50 strips of searching for a cure for her?
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I am pretty sure it is permanent on its own, but can be reversed by other spells. I believe that Break Enchantment would work, which is a 5th level Wizard/Cleric spell, but I have no idea if Varsuvius or Durkon have it. I would hope that one of them does, because there is enough going on without having to haul around a statue of Haley for any number of strips. I guess that it could also be used by Tarquin to leverage Elan, though? I am sure Tarquin would be able to get the effect reversed one way or another, but he might make a point of exacting some sort of payment for it?
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Ashcans posted:I am pretty sure it is permanent on its own, but can be reversed by other spells. I believe that Break Enchantment would work, which is a 5th level Wizard/Cleric spell, but I have no idea if Varsuvius or Durkon have it. They cured Roy's ladyfriend when she was turned to stone ages ago, so its an easy fix. They had to use a scroll that Nale Just Happend to have, but I think they aren't hard to find.
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Ashcans posted:I am pretty sure it is permanent on its own, but can be reversed by other spells. I believe that Break Enchantment would work, which is a 5th level Wizard/Cleric spell, but I have no idea if Varsuvius or Durkon have it. If Durkon doesn't have it he can pray for it.
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Oh and in case you forgot, this was not unforeseen.
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I like how the kobold has the badass riding dog Belkar wanted way back in http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0140.html.
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May 5, 2011 06:16
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Belkar is going to skin that thing alive.
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Pope Guilty posted:Belkar is going to skin that thing alive. And possibly steal its dog.
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Isn't that Qarr, the imp working for the IFCC? That might be awkward for V and totally risk giving away some of their plans.
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Well, the imp isn't gonna let V die (that would gently caress up his bosses plans) so no new tedious resurrection plot (unless Roy dies again).
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