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Hello and Welcome to the SomethingAwful.com Ask/Tell Martial Arts thread. This thread is for people curious about starting a martial art, as well as general MA discussion. The last thread was over 350 pages, so we decided to start a new post. Why Should I, a Goon, enroll in a martial art? r.y.f.s.o. posted:I was a bit of a tubbo, 6'0" and 215, but I was definitely lacking in anything resembling muscle from years of lifting nothing heavier than a notebook and my fingers to type on it. I got sick of feeling like a wet noodle constantly and chose BJJ / Muay Thai in the hope it would beat the fear and fat out of me, and it did. Fontoyn posted:Also, pump yourself up. poo poo like: "this motherfucker can't do poo poo to my butt" relaxes and psyches me up. You don't have to be strong or fast or tough to start a martial art. Actually, starting one will make you stronger faster and tougher than you probably thought possible. Read this OP, read the thread and get going! The Rules 1. Don't be an rear end in a top hat. This includes, but is not limited to: making GBS threads on someone's style/training/school/instructor just for the sake of doing so, or attacking another poster on a personal level. It is possible for reasonable, adult human beings to disagree with each other, and discuss the merits of an aspect of MA (for the greater benefit of everyone) without it becoming a shitfest. So if you're taking something personally, stay out of the thread. Shitfests get bad here because we all are aggressive people, if you find yourself in a heated discussion, take a second to relax and consider that you are typing on the internet. 2. A style of Martial Arts in the modern day is simply a commercial brand, don't put any more stock into it than you would your Nike shoes or iPod MP3 player. Always base your decision on what you want to do with your time. If you like punching people in the face (and don't mind getting punched in return), there are "styles" for this. If you like wrestling around, there are styles for that. Pretty much anything you want to do that revolves around fighting, even avoiding fighting completely can be found within the Martial Arts. Martial Arts is a broad discipline; it exists in many forms and there are many paths from which to chose. These include Self Defense arts (Krav Maga, RBSD styles), Combat Sports (MMA, Kickboxing, Submission Grappling), Performance/Demonstration styles (XMA, Wushu), Historical arts (Iaido, Kendo), and much more. 3)Take the time to read up on things a bit before you ask questions that could be answered by going to Wikipedia. The info will go a long way towards helping you find what's right for you. 4)Keep the following rule in mind: Individual > Training Method > Style. No matter what you do, if you are not training hard, in the way that most fits your goal, the name over your gym's door does not do any good. 4. Really, Don't be an rear end in a top hat I am new to martial arts, what should I do? First, read this quote on Martial Arts for Self Defense: Mechafunkzilla posted:There is no martial art where the basics can be "grasped decently" in a short amount of time such that it would actually help you. It's all about internalizing the movements until they become second nature, tons of repetition, and lots and lots of sparring. The only way you can ever really become proficient at any concept or technique is to use it in sparring against a resisting opponent. That's why many martial arts don't work. Anything that claims to teach you actually useful self-defense skills in a few days or weeks and isn't called "how to buy running shoes that fit" is bullshit. Even if the techniques are sound, showing them to people who won't practice them for a few months is just setting them up to get stabbed to death when they try to fight someone instead of run away. It is important to realize that a "6 week executive self defense course" or "woman's defense seminar" is, at best, useless. You should consider a martial art as a longterm hobby, like cooking, playing basketball, or learning to knit. Second: Knowing how to fight and knowing self defense are not the same thing. They are in fact, often completely opposite goals: fighting is about winning, self defense about surviving. The number 1 self defense technique is: don't get into bad situations. quote:My friend got jumped by three people outside a strip club at 3 am. He just got a few bruises but he asked what I would have done, as a martial artist. I told him: I wouldn't hang out in a strip club parking lot at 3 am! You can use martial arts as part of self defense, but only as a part not a whole for example: You do Muay thai: You can knee a guy in the stomach and run away You do Bjj: You use your guard to recover from a blindside tackle and run away Notice how both scenarios don't end with a KO or submission, they end with getting the hell out of there. This is a nice article on realistic self defense: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence Third Dont Wait to Start! Gyms will train anyone that can shuffle through their door, they won't judge or turn you away. There are a lot of stone cold bad asses that started super out of shape. You don't need to workout 6 weeks or do anything to prepare, just show up and do what you can as much as you can! Do not try to Teach Yourself a Martial Art. DVDs, The internet, and Books will not teach you what you need to know and will lead to bad habits at best and injuries at worst. Find a teacher, Youtube-jitsu does not work. Imagine your diet: Books, Videos, and Media are supplements, the gym is what you are actually eating. No one can survive only on supplements, no matter how many gel caps they cram down in a day. Now That we have our big warnings out of the way, I will divide the recommendation section by general category. These are generalizations, and like all generalizations, will leave out exceptions. Please remember that these are all generalizations and you might find a school of XXX that is not like what you read here. I highly recommend linking the website for any school you are interested in here, the collective MA knowledge is staggering and someone will have advice for you. Practical Often Competition oriented, these styles feature full contact, live sparring and generally hold "does it work?" above any other factor. If you want useful you should stick to: Bjj, Muay Thai, Judo, kickboxing/boxing, kyokushin karate. You might find a gym doing a practical form of,say, Kung Fu, but it's just better odds that those styles will give you skills you can apply to a real life resisting human being of your size/strength. *Olympic Tae Kwon Do is also a competitive sporting style, but its ruleset encourages techniques that are less practical in a generic no-rule, or MMA situation. Still a cool sport and tell Anthony Pettis TKD is useless. *If you are school-aged, and your school has a wrestling team, consider joining it. Wrestling is a highly effective martial art. I do not include it here because it's hard to find independent wrestling schools or clubs once you are out of school. First thing you should break down is whether you would rather strike or grapple. Second, find the best place and teacher for what you want to do. Third, if you have multiple options, take the style you are most interested in doing. Striking Styles, in no particular order: Muay Thai Boxing Kickboxing Kyokushin Karate Savate San Shou Grappling Styles: Judo Brazilian jiu-jitsu Sambo Submission Wrestling (aka catch wrestling) Summary: 1)Decide if you want to hit or hug. 2) Find the best teacher/gym for whichever you prefer. 3) If you have equal teaching options, go with the style you are most interested in. I say teacher before style because who you are training with is a much bigger deal than what you are training, assuming you stick to the MA styles named above. If you've got an Olympic level Judo gym down the block, it's sort of foolish to train with a blue belt in bjj because you insist on doing jiu-jitsu. Performance These styles are generally less interested in applying techniques against resisting opponents and more about personal development: physical and mental Styles Include: Kung Fu, Most forms of Karate, Tai Chi, Wushu, Wing Chun, Aikido, Iado. The Advice for finding a school here is pretty similar to practical styles. Find a good teacher, accredited by whatever body sanctions the art. Make sure the facilities are decent, the students seem comfortable and enthusiastic. Judge it the same way you would a book club, aerobic class, cooking course, any other activity. Weapon Because it's not 1645, most weapon arts are more about tradition and personal practice than practical application. If you are interested in a sporting weapon application, check out Kendo and Fencing. If you want practical use of sticks and knives, the best you will find is in a FMA (filipino martial art). If you want to do cool stuff with different sharp things, check out wushu or (ugh)XMA. You might also want to consider "european martial arts" which is basically people using old manuals to reconstruct traditional european methods of fighting, both armed and unarmed. If you want practical sword fighting: What to Avoid There are some things you really just want to avoid, no matter what you're looking for in a style. Now, please remember these are just things that should make you question the gym and really consider if you want to join, not hard/fast rules. Still, these negatives usually come in groups, so I doubt you will more than one of these warning signs at a legit school. 1) No free introductory lesson or "try before you buy option". Any legitimate school should be perfectly happy to have someone drop by and check out the atmosphere, as well as offer some form of introductory class. I also warn you against long term contracts, especially if the school does not offer any month to month option. 3month/6month/1year contracts have become more popular, even among legit schools, because it gives the gym owner an assured income over a set period of time, rather than having to recalculate and sweat revenue every 4 weeks. Still, they should accommodate you if you only want to pay month to month. 2) Long term contracts and high pressure sales. if you feel like you're talking to a used car salesman, look for the door. 3) Ridiculous rankings: Yes you might be lucky enough to live close to a 7th dan, but if google does not turn up 5 pages featuring their name, it's probably bogus. Anyone claiming to have multiple high level black belts or any level of black belt over 3 or 4 should merit close scrutiny. Remember, anyone can get a black belt http://www.amazon.com/Shihan-Karate-Belt-BLACK-300cm/dp/B003EH3MHE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1304439407&sr=8-9 4) Insane claims: Spirit Magic Chi bombs, one touch KO power, death touches, bullet dodging. There is a reason you don't see anyone, ever, doing these things outside of their carefully constructed environment/scenario. They are a fantasy. If you want to learn this stuff, go here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref...&qid=1304360469 5) Ninjitsu: This was never a style, it is dubious if ninjas even actually existed as organized groups. Anyone claiming a ninjitsu lineage is either making it up, or buying into someone who is making it up. There is room for almost everyone in martial arts, but these schools are so bad, and so shady, that I will universally recommend avoiding them. Finally, you may want to take a look at Bullshido's review forum to see if anyone has already been to the school(s) you're interested in attending. They've also expanded to review everything remotely martial arts related, so if you're curious about a DVD instructional or (god help you) energy drinks take a look http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50 Styles Krav Maga Real "krav maga" is military combatives much the same as any other military combatives taught to any other army in the world, a short course of "stab him with your bayonet if you have no other options like shooting him" - What is taught in the US as krav maga has precisely no quality control over what's taught, because anyone can open a gym and call it krav maga - There is a 99:1 crap:ok ratio and neckdeep bullshit - What is taught is never tested in competition. Real, full-speed competition is an essential part of becoming competent at fighting, for conditioning against the adrenaline, developing skills of timing etc, and testing effectiveness of techniques. Krav Doesn't Have This. It has fat guys in combat pants doing Jason Bourne cosplay. How do you know how good you are at fighting if you've never had a fight? - You are taught striking by people who have never trained striking properly as part of a real striking art. Watch some krav videos. It's all stupid bullshit like I've linked, or bad kickboxing. Tip: Skip the bad kickboxing taught by a guy who did a 1-week army combatives course, and do real good kickboxing taught by a guy who has been a real fighter and trains real fighters - Mostly there's no grappling or it's terrible - It has a focus on REAL WORLD SELF DEFENCE when the preferred real world self defence technique is not getting in a fight in the first place, and if you do, then having the skills from an actual proper fighting art like boxing, muay thai, etc will serve you much better than trying to chop people in the side of the neck to knock them out - Almost all the techniques taught (except the bad kickboxing) assume an untrained opponent, and will not work on a trained opponent, ie throat punches, terrible takedowns, eye pokes, groin kicks, etc, whereas in actual fighting sports you learn things that work against other trained people as well as your average guy There is no reason to do it. Why are you so set on it? If you are set on learning some sort of fighting for the vanishingly unlikely scenario that you'll actually need to use it for self defence it takes a lot of actual hard work and dedication to become competent, and it's best to cross train a striking and a grappling art. Do BJJ because hugging dudes in pyjamas is really fun. Muay Thai Fight Videos! Art of the 8 limbs blah blah watch these and ong bak and go chop down a tree with low kicks Guilty posted:Went through my post history to watch some good fights: Aikido Internetjack posted:A few comments on Aikido; I trained in it for four years back in my college days. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself. mewse posted:Boxing Sambo quote:
Other SomethingAwful links Grappling thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3386441&pagenumber=24#lastpost MMA Fan subforum: http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=177 External Martial Arts link: Bullshido: http://www.bullshido.net/ Bullshido can be a little crude and I'm pretty sure a lot of their forum posters are overweight 13 year olds but they host honest discussions on martial arts and do god's work in spotlighting really lovely martial art schools and people. It's also run by an SA goon, the whole place has a vaguely somethingawful feel. Check out their newbietown section to ask questions without fear of being trolled. The advanced Striking/grappling forums are also pretty good. I would provide links to other good martial arts forums and websites, if they existed. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 22, 2013 |
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Various Martial Art Descriptions and A big old post on Conditioning Thoguh posted:How is this for a Judo write-up? Any suggestions for changes to the format or the content? Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Smegmatron posted:I made a BJJ post. Tell me if I got anything drastically wrong. Also if anybody can find an image of a rear naked choke that doesn't involve MMA fighters, post it and I'll put it in. I spent ages looking and all I could find was lots of really bad tattoos. Lt. Shiny-sides posted:Effort Post Incoming!!! Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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The link to the grappling thread doesn't work. On that note, I think it's about time for me to start at the beginning with martial arts. I'm thinking about getting into boxing and freestyle wrestling, as I'm told they're good combat skills, and I found a gym not far from me that teaches that sort of thing. Does anyone know much about this place? It's in Fort Collins, CO. If not, I think there are a few BJJ place nearby that got good reviews on Bullshido, but that would be a second preference at best.
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Any San Antonio martial arts goons in here? I haven't trained since I was in college, and I just moved to a new city where I don't know anyone. I feel the need to get active again, and martial arts was always an easy way to meet new people with similar interests, so I figure I might as well hop to it. I previously studied tae kwon do and hapkido, but those didn't really give me what I wanted so I'm looking for something new. I'm thinking muay thai would be fun but there's only 1 facility I can find in my area. http://vongphet-muaythai-academy.com/muaythai/ I'm planning to drop by and check things out sometime soon, but if anyone has some other suggestions I'm open to them.
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How about a write up on Krav Maga. I've seriously been considering trying to find a training facility here in Gainesville, FL but have been unlucky so far.
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EZipperelli posted:How about a write up on Krav Maga. I've seriously been considering trying to find a training facility here in Gainesville, FL but have been unlucky so far. Doing a write up for Krav Maga has some unique challenges. Because it became trendy, a lot of places set up like a McDonald's franchise and the quality of training is about what you would expect. If you want to just hop in and start learning, most decent (and some bad) gyms will focus on three things with a beginner: 1. Combat conditioning 2. Mindset 3. Basic technique Go to a place and observe what happens. You can get all three of these out of a sub par gym, but you may find that you outgrow that gym as soon as you start getting some of the fundamentals. I would highly recommend finding a gym that is affiliated with some kind of MMA training; mine is a Bas Rutten affiliate. It would also be helpful to see how much hands on time the instructor gives each student and talk to the instructor about his other experience. Krav Maga is relatively new (compared to a lot of traditional MA's) and it's pretty common to have someone with a BJJ/Judo/Karate background. My instructor trained in BJJ and Judo before starting Krav. I would go sit in on a class, participate, if the first class feels an awful lot like boxing spending almost the entire time of working with you on fundamentals and all of the above I mentioned is true; it's probably going to be a good place to train at least for a year or so when you can re-evaluate the quality once you know more. edit to add: The three things I listed above our sort of a mantra for early krav students, but I just realized an outsider; with no context may not recognize what is meant by that. Combat Conditioning - basically an intense cross-fit regiment. You will do very intense work outs. None of my previous MA experience even compares to what we do in Krav as a warm up. For reference, I'm referring mostly to the warm ups from Karate and TKD. Mindset - This will be cultivated in the form of providing distractions. Flipping the lights on and off, blasting music, multiple attackers, breaking the rhythm of the class. Basically, prepare yourself for the distraction of the real world and focus on identifying and eliminating threats with all of that distraction going on. Basic Technique - This is the most obvious when written; but not so obvious in practice. At it's core, Krav Maga was developed by taking a lot of other combat and sport MA's and keeping what worked and ditching the rest...with mixed success. At the early stages of learning you're going to do a lot of theory work. You'll be practicing your foot work, throwing jabs and a lot of shadow boxing. You'll throw punches repeatedly and rapidly until you never want to throw a punch again. You'll focus on one, maybe two kicks, two punches and defending against punches with a style that looks very similar to boxing. Krav Maga (while not free of criticism) prides itself in the separation of sport application from reality. This means that as a new level 1 student you will spend a lot of time learning to defend against untrained attacks. Hay makers, big wide hooks, and of course chokes from all over the place. It's important to defend against trained and untrained attacks, it's a considerable amount of foundation and it's the number one reason I see new students leave. They want to be a totally loving badass IDF guy after two months, but they don't want to put the time in on learning the basics. I also forgot to mention; Krav Maga's focus is not ground fighting. However, even in a level one class, alarm bells should go off if you see zero grappling or ground fighting. Almost all street fights go to the ground and to not train in it is to disregard the basic tenant of what Krav Maga claims to be. Others with experience in identifying what makes a good Krav Maga school versus a McDojo Krav franchise, please correct or add to what I've posted. Winkle-Daddy fucked around with this message at 20:29 on May 3, 2011 |
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EZipperelli posted:How about a write up on Krav Maga. I've seriously been considering trying to find a training facility here in Gainesville, FL but have been unlucky so far. I can't speak for where you live at but generally a good Krav Maga school will most likely be registered with the Krav Maga Association of America. That seems to be the largest organization with it being an extension of the founder of Krav Maga for the US. The school I help teach Ju-jitsu at is registered with them for their Krav Maga instructors and are fairly good dudes. Evidently there it takes a bit to get registered with the organization so its not like you can just pay $200 and be a Krav Maga school and be recognized by them.
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I C/Ped that Krav Maga into the OP, as well as fixing the links. I'll add as many write ups as people want to write.
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Winkle-Daddy posted:Go to a place and observe what happens. You can get all three of these out of a sub par gym, but you may find that you outgrow that gym as soon as you start getting some of the fundamentals. I would highly recommend finding a gym that is affiliated with some kind of MMA training; mine is a Bas Rutten affiliate. At the very least, you want a Fit to Fight class at the gym. That certification states the instructor is a krav instructor certified to teach MMA techniques. Usually this is your introduction to sparring. I don't know how it works at other gyms but one of the guys at my gym used to fight competitively in MMA, so he brings in low level pros to come fight with us. quote:Combat Conditioning - basically an intense cross-fit regiment. You will do very intense work outs. None of my previous MA experience even compares to what we do in Krav as a warm up. For reference, I'm referring mostly to the warm ups from Karate and TKD. Some of the warmups are pretty good. However, some gyms offer hour-long combative conditioning classes. Some of them are ripped from crossfit/P90X. Some of them are just the horrible things the instructors want you to do. Running with weights in your hands while someone else holds onto you and tries to hold you back via a belt is one of the worst cardio exercises I've ever done. quote:Mindset - This will be cultivated in the form of providing distractions. Flipping the lights on and off, blasting music, multiple attackers, breaking the rhythm of the class. Basically, prepare yourself for the distraction of the real world and focus on identifying and eliminating threats with all of that distraction going on. I've also seen some gyms try and cultivate ferocity in low levels-- just being able to channel all that nervous energy. Lots of unrestrained striking. quote:Others with experience in identifying what makes a good Krav Maga school versus a McDojo Krav franchise, please correct or add to what I've posted. Generally you want to know what system they're affiliated with. Krav Maga Worldwide's pretty reputable. So is Bas Ruten's system.
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CaptainScraps posted:At the very least, you want a Fit to Fight class at the gym. That certification states the instructor is a krav instructor certified to teach MMA techniques. Usually this is your introduction to sparring. I don't know how it works at other gyms but one of the guys at my gym used to fight competitively in MMA, so he brings in low level pros to come fight with us. Oh yeah, the option should be there to take a class dedicated to being fit. I was speaking very specifically that regardless of what else is available, you get a lot more out of your training if you had your rear end kicked in warm ups already. Pushing through that pain can be a powerful teaching tool when done right. CaptainScraps posted:I've also seen some gyms try and cultivate ferocity in low levels-- just being able to channel all that nervous energy. Lots of unrestrained striking. For sure; I just want to make sure (and I should have state this to begin with) that mindset does not mean any kind of mystic bullshido crap. It's a very real and tangible thing that is being trained. CaptainScraps posted:Generally you want to know what system they're affiliated with. Krav Maga Worldwide's pretty reputable. So is Bas Ruten's system. This is truth and should also be added to any evolving section on KM in the OP.
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Thanks for the info guys, I've only found one gym around Gainesville that teaches KM and the 'reviews' of it were not positive.quote:Alex - Feb 21, 2011 http://www.karateamerica.com/ Soooo, it seems that I should continue my search. I do appreciate the help though.
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This thread title from a few pages back in the old thread was better "Ask / Tell: The Martial Arts Thread: I was winning the fight until I died" nice work on the OP
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Great OP! Should be easier for newcomers to navigate for a couple of months.
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A few comments on Aikido; I trained in it for four years back in my college days. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself. I like how Aikido was classified in the OP, a performance discipline. In four years, training 2-3 days a week, I never learned to be an rear end-kicking machine; nor did I ever want to be one. What I did learn though was more of a philosophy, a way of being and walking through life. There was plenty of cool poo poo and exercise too. What I learned was breathing, walking, being calm in mind and body, relaxing, and facing conflict with love in your heart. These were lessons I could take off the mat, into my every day life. These are lessons that have served me in work, friendships, and confrontations for the last 16 years. That is why I love Aikido. I still do my turning exercises in the living room to this day. The best advice I can offer anyone that is looking to pursue a martial art, is to be humble. Subject yourself sincerely to what the teacher and school is offering. Don't judge, don't critique. It may take years for the lessons to make sense. If you're not comfortable with what you are submitting to, then maybe it is not the school or discipline that is appropriate for you. Feel free to shop around. There are lots of arts, schools, and teachers out there. Find one that suits what you are looking for. Edit: Xguard86, thanks for considering my words for addition to the OP and adding them. When someone wants to learn a MA there can be a thousand different reasons, and I'm glad to see the thread will gladly regard them all. And high-fives to any aikidoka that show up in the thread. Internetjack fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 5, 2011 |
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Internetjack posted:A few comments on Aikido; I trained in it for four years back in my college days. It was one of the best things I ever did for myself. This is extremely well said. I've been doing Aikido for about 5 years and this is exactly what I've gotten out of it and why I continue to train. And it's nice to see a little Aikido love in this thread.
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Just want to get this onto the first page because it's a really handy resource for people who are getting destroyed in their first month or two of BJJ classes and starting to get disheartened*: http://www.beginningbjj.com/ It might even be worth adding to the OP for people who want a more in-depth idea of what BJJ is about than an FAQ can give before committing to it. *This does not at all describe me today after being on the wrong end of, in order; a gogoplata (the first step of which was to apply heel to face), an armbar, a rear naked choke, a kimura, a triangle and one more armbar to rub it in. In 15 minutes
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Smegmatron posted:http://www.beginningbjj.com/ On another good note, me and one other white belt got an hour and a half of private coaching with a 6th degree Judo black belt (he's the father of our current instructor). Thats two amazing sessions in a row now. He's the former Australian champion and Oceania champion and was one of our reps to the world championships. He's done so much for the sport of Judo in Aus, I can't believe they only charge 5 dollars per lesson. In an effort to show my appreciation I've volunteered to help clean the whole dojo on the weekend. It almost seems silly to want to walk away from that kind of amazing instruction but I've really got the BJJ itch. Maybe I'll leave Judo when/if all these awesome instructors go elsewhere. And thanks to everyone who answered all of my silly questions in the previous thread. e: Oh yeah, I like the op too. You always have good contributions xguard. Nierbo fucked around with this message at 15:22 on May 4, 2011 |
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KingColliwog posted:This thread title from a few pages back in the old thread was better "Ask / Tell: The Martial Arts Thread: I was winning the fight until I died" I thought about making it that, but then I thought about how it would sound if you didn't know about the story that preceded the quote. I C/Ped the aikido quote into the OP because I think it's maybe the best and most honest description of Aikido I've read on the internet. We have that really good bjj writeup in the last thread, but I can't C/P it with all the urls and images intact due to quotes. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 4, 2011 |
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Nierbo posted:Thats a really good link, thankyou. I've been thinking about changing from Judo to BJJ because I find I have more interest in the ground work and we don't exactly do much any more, especially as a comp is coming up. I probably won't be able to due to financial restrictions but its always in the back of my mind. Quality judo is better than lovely BJJ. But it also depends on the other people in class; are they any good/challange for you? This is your first Martial Art, so just stick with it the one for awhile so you can get a sense how things go in this world of martial arts.
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I started at a muay thai class a few weeks ago, and just got some gloves and wraps. I watched a couple different youtube videos on wrapping your hands and tried a few different methods, but I'm not sure which one is the best. Any suggestions on the best way to wrap my hands?
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It's easiest to ask your coach or experienced costudents to show you in real life rather then on the internet.
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EZipperelli posted:Thanks for the info guys, I've only found one gym around Gainesville that teaches KM and the 'reviews' of it were not positive. If you want to take Krav Maga and it's the only place near you; they should let you go take a trial class. The review could go either way, the techniques may very well have been taught incorrectly but there is another possibility... On the internet you get all kinds of "mental black belts." We all know the type; the guy (or girl) who spends hours reading the theory, the history, so forth and so on and when they go in it's not what they expect it to be. They expected that they would be doing the techniques they saw some world class practitioner do on youtube. They have no grasp of anything fundamental and then have an over inflated sense of ego about what they should be learning; that they know better then the instructor. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's just a fact of the culture. Level 1 Krav in every place I've observed classes has spent a lot of time on a lot of cardio and a lot of very basic techniques repeatedly (combat conditioning and basic technique). Level 2 ramps up the intensity when it comes to the complexity of a technique. Though, by contrast to say Aikido, the complexity pales in comparison for most techniques (remember, Krav Maga was developed to be taught very quickly in a battlefield situation, so it simply cannot train techniques that take years to learn. Years to master yes, not years to learn). Because of this, I can totally see where a perfectly fine gym could get a bad review from an arm chair mental black belt. Go take a trial class, talk to the instructor, make sure they're affiliated with Krav Maga Worldwide. If the guy was right and the class seems impractical, all you've lost is an hour and a half or so of your time and you've learned more about what you're looking for. Ideally, if you can go observe a higher level class, do that first, then take a trial class with the level 1 group. If you see that fundamentals are being trained and you can see how they're expanded on this guy was full of poo poo. But it's the internet, so who knows.
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Winkle-Daddy posted:Perfect. I've been on the phone with the instructor and have a day to go in and see exactly whats up. Thanks for the input guys... Will report on happenings.
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# ? May 4, 2011 17:15 |
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Boxing Most people don't know poo poo about boxing.
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Does it make sense to still link the old thread in the OP, for history purposes?
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# ? May 4, 2011 18:19 |
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Not to wrest this thread back to minor victories rather than important information, but today I learnt my range for shooting and hit the next 7/8 takedowns, some of whom were against guys doing BJJ far longer than me, and it ruled. And I have been garbage at takedowns in the last two years. These small improvements are why everyone should do BJJ or wrestling. They're just so rewarding.
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# ? May 4, 2011 18:27 |
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I just discovered that theres actually a shoot wrestling gym near where I live. http://www.grappling.ca/ They also have boxing, which I would LOVE to do and their hours are actually better for me. Apparently, they are the "National Headquarters" of Shoot Wrestling Canada. Has anyone here heard of Ron Beer before? My googling only shows stuff that related to this school. I currently do BJJ, which I love and am happy with, but if this other gym isnt too expensive, ill probably end up going to both places. Are techniques learned in shoot wrestling applicable to BJJ and vice-versa?
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mewse posted:Boxing This is good. Punching people is good(inside a gym). Thank you for saving me time as I prob would have written 1000 million words.
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added the boxing writeup. Glad everyone is happy with the OP.
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# ? May 4, 2011 22:00 |
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From the last thread:Smegmatron posted:It's surprisingly hard to find a video with A) Girls B) the person filming not screaming into the camera's mic C) decent technique being shown clearly from a good angle and D) decent picture quality. You might want to look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijRBmQ994yo at the very least, it's one technique, done very well.
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Drewjitsu posted:From the last thread: I'd marry that girl. That was great
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KingColliwog posted:I'd marry that girl. That was great I don't know what her Husband/Black Belt Coach would think though.
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KidDynamite posted:This is good. Punching people is good(inside a gym). Thank you for saving me time as I prob would have written 1000 million words. Yeah I figured everyone knows what boxing is, and if they have esoteric questions they can just ask, but it took me months before I discovered the training thread in W&W. Best way to learn is to go to a gym, obv
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I have heard a rumor that boxers have some of the best punches around, because thats all they do. Is that true?
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# ? May 5, 2011 00:44 |
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Yes, that is what usually happens when a group of people focus on something for generations. Boxer has the best punches, wrestlers the best takedowns, Grapplers the best submissions etc.
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Frogmanv2 posted:I have heard a rumor that boxers have some of the best punches around, because thats all they do. Is that true? myth, i've never seen a boxer pull off as many superman punches as gsp
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Pooned posted:Yes, that is what usually happens when a group of people focus on something for generations. Boxer has the best punches, wrestlers the best takedowns, Grapplers the best submissions etc. tkd doesn't have the best kicks because it's fake fighting and not included in the op (petition to delete aikido and savate for unseemly pants)
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# ? May 5, 2011 01:09 |
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Savate owns bro
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# ? May 5, 2011 01:28 |
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Drewjitsu posted:From the last thread: That owns hard but BJJ newbies reading A/T probably aren't the best group to be encouraging into flying armbars. If we're going to do that, I'd put in a gif of Garza's flying triangle at UFC 129. P.S XGuard put the BJJ writeup in the last thread into the second post in this one. It's probably too long for the first post.
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fawker posted:They also have boxing, which I would LOVE to do and their hours are actually better for me. Apparently, they are the "National Headquarters" of Shoot Wrestling Canada. Has anyone here heard of Ron Beer before? My googling only shows stuff that related to this school.
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