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On the Adam Carolla Show today, Andy Dick gives his side of the whole Dick-Hartman-Lovitz story. It's in the first half hour of the show if anyone's interested. Frankly I'm just ready for Dick to finish up his current rotation through the podcasts--he's not that great of a guest. On the advertising side of things, I think Carolla is doing things right. He's got a mix of pre-recorded and conversational ads, and the recorded ones are short and not annoying. Ditto for the self promotion stuff for other shows in the network or live appearances--it gets the point across quickly enough that it's not really worth skipping. (Kevin Smith was really bad with this for a long time, with ten minute long rambling commercials for himself or fleshlight at the beginning of every show.) Carolla's also got a mix of sponsors, which keeps things fresh. I realize a lot of this is coming from radio experience and his massive audience, but I still think it's a good model to emulate.
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May 5, 2011 17:34
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Cromulent posted:I mentioned this in the loveline thread...I'm fine with commercials during the show, and I understand why they're there. However, I think having literally the first 5:30 of the podcast being commercials, live reads and self-plugs is a bit ridiculous. That's not even an exaggeration, I downloaded the Tom Arnold show from yesterday and was zoning out during the ads, and realized it had been more than 5 minutes without a single piece of content. Imagine if a TV show started with a commercial, then the intro, then another 4 minutes of ads. Bill Burr sorta does this, too, but his whole thing is just a stream of consciousness and it all ends up being pretty funny. He got his first sponsor recently, and instead of reading the canned lines they gave him, he started going on some rant about Mothers' Day. Then he read the canned things. Then he read it again later, but started changing it up and swearing in the middle. I honestly don't mind it because he keeps it so entertaining in such a retarded way.
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May 5, 2011 17:43
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I met Graham Elwood and Doug Benson after a stand up show a few weeks back. They were both really nice and Doug gave me a hug (he was also very under the influence) and I had a short conversation with him. After the crowd dispersed, I shot the poo poo with Graham for a while. We talked about movies, writing, and other stuff. He asked if I'd ever heard of the Comedy Film Nerds and I said I hadn't, which in retrospect may have made me sound like a total rear end in a top hat, it was before I had read this thread, and then he told me to stop by and listen and drop him a line sometime. All in all, really cool dudes and they signed my old Movie Gallery account card.
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May 5, 2011 17:55
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Cromulent posted:I mentioned this in the loveline thread...I'm fine with commercials during the show, and I understand why they're there. However, I think having literally the first 5:30 of the podcast being commercials, live reads and self-plugs is a bit ridiculous. That's not even an exaggeration, I downloaded the Tom Arnold show from yesterday and was zoning out during the ads, and realized it had been more than 5 minutes without a single piece of content. Imagine if a TV show started with a commercial, then the intro, then another 4 minutes of ads. The Andy Dick segment is interesting, but it's clearly one sided, and I doubt Andy is going to admit that he's done anything to antagonize Lovitz, which I'm sure he did. I imagine the truth lays somewhere between Andy Dick's and Jon Lovitz's version of the story. Andy does still hold Hartman in very high regard, though, and gets a bit emotional even talking about him.
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May 5, 2011 17:55
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bananasinpajamas posted:The monkeycheese aspect of the logo doesn't help either. And frankly I wasn't a huge fan of the 2nd anniversary show for that same reason; just lots of "random" wackiness as opposed to the usual...constrained wackiness? Probably a dumb, inaccurate complaint. Yeah, I didn't find first character that they had on very funny. I realize that some of it was because it was an intentionally stupid character meant to poke fun at the show itself. But I still didn't think it was all that funny. I did love the alternate Huell Howsers storyline, though! I can't say I'm too big of a fan of the new name, though, either. "Comedy Death Ray" is such a great name; why change it? e: Chupacabra was amazing as always too by the way. Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 5, 2011 |
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May 5, 2011 19:23
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Cromulent posted:I mentioned this in the loveline thread...I'm fine with commercials during the show, and I understand why they're there. However, I think having literally the first 5:30 of the podcast being commercials, live reads and self-plugs is a bit ridiculous. That's not even an exaggeration, I downloaded the Tom Arnold show from yesterday and was zoning out during the ads, and realized it had been more than 5 minutes without a single piece of content. Imagine if a TV show started with a commercial, then the intro, then another 4 minutes of ads. TV Shows don't have to. A network show can have credits, commercial, and another show promo all playing at the same time. One limitation of podcasting is that audio is a forced linear progression with a single track. Just fast forward. Also, you pay for TV.
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May 5, 2011 19:31
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If Scott and BJ have had a falling out, it's been pretty recently. The Fun Bunch hosted the CDR show at the Vancouver Comedy Fest in 2009. That would have been maybe three or four months after the podcast started. I dunno, I hope that isn't the case. They worked really well together for years and years.
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May 5, 2011 19:43
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Since a lot of us are on smartphones and are looking for comedy, Pandora has recently added stand-up to their offerings. I'm listening to 80's Eddie Murphy, but it looks like it goes to very recent material - Tosh's "Happy Thoughts" is on here, and it's from March 2011.
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May 5, 2011 20:15
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Despite the excellent logo Tig's podcast is nearly unbearable and I now understand why a good majority of people dislike her. Rogan seems like a genius in comparison.
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May 5, 2011 20:19
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Cast Iron Brick posted:TV Shows don't have to. A network show can have credits, commercial, and another show promo all playing at the same time. One limitation of podcasting is that audio is a forced linear progression with a single track. Also, when it comes to Joe Rogan/Duncan Trussell out-there conversations, I generally don't take much of it seriously and I just find it entertaining. At one point on the latest one, though, Duncan actually said a pretty out-there idea that made me stop and go "whoa, what the gently caress, what if that's the case?" I can't remember what it was, and I'm at work now so I can't listen, but I'll edit this with it later. That's the reason I like Joe's podcast so much, even if 90% of stuff like that is silly, it's usually entertaining and sometimes there's a thought that makes me completely rethink something.
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May 5, 2011 20:21
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Cromulent posted:Yeah, I know it's a minor complaint (an even more minor complaint is that fast-forwarding always causes me to skip too far ahead). I wouldn't even complain if it were 1 minute of front-loading, or if it was 5 minutes of ads after 10 minutes of content. I just can't get over 5.5 minutes right out of the gate. I feel like there must be a better way. Oh well, enough complaining out of me about that.
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May 5, 2011 20:37
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Civil posted:Since a lot of us are on smartphones and are looking for comedy, Pandora has recently added stand-up to their offerings. I'm listening to 80's Eddie Murphy, but it looks like it goes to very recent material - Tosh's "Happy Thoughts" is on here, and it's from March 2011. That is excellent news!  I've always wondered if that'd ever happen.
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May 5, 2011 20:40
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Bunk Rogers posted:Despite the excellent logo Tig's podcast is nearly unbearable and I now understand why a good majority of people dislike her. Rogan seems like a genius in comparison. I am a long time hater of Tig but I gave it a shot. Just the intro explaining what the show was about made me angry. Such low energy. And when I got to the part about her teaching herself how to play guitar "I was the teacher and the pupil. That blew my mind." I was done. Phew! I thought she was going to prove me wrong.
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King Lou posted:I am a long time hater of Tig but I gave it a shot. Just the intro explaining what the show was about made me angry. Such low energy. And when I got to the part about her teaching herself how to play guitar "I was the teacher and the pupil. That blew my mind." I was done. Phew! I thought she was going to prove me wrong. I stopped at the part about using one's arm to help one's other arm do something and it's like your body helping itself like whoa dude.
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May 5, 2011 20:46
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I love Tig on other shows, but yes, professor blastoff was terrible. Her talent is not in leading a discussion, and the co-hosts weren't quick enough for their roles, either.
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May 5, 2011 21:49
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quote:I am a long time hater of Tig but I gave it a shot. Just the intro explaining what the show was about made me angry. Such low energy. And when I got to the part about her teaching herself how to play guitar "I was the teacher and the pupil. That blew my mind." I was done. Phew! I thought she was going to prove me wrong. quote:I stopped at the part about using one's arm to help one's other arm do something and it's like your body helping itself like whoa dude. Holy poo poo this sounds terrible. Is it meant to be ironic or are they doing this poo poo in earnest? I mean it sounds tedious either way, I'm just curious.
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May 5, 2011 21:55
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I actually like Tig in small doses, but Planet Blastoff is far too much. I made it to 14:25 and had to turn it off.
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May 5, 2011 22:12
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Wise Old Shitashi posted:If Scott and BJ have had a falling out, it's been pretty recently. The Fun Bunch hosted the CDR show at the Vancouver Comedy Fest in 2009. That would have been maybe three or four months after the podcast started. When I did the beta testing for the Earwolf website, we had a Skype conversation with Jeff Ulrich, the producer of CDR/CBB and all the other Earwolf shows. He said that Porter wanted nothing to do with the podcast, but didn't go into any specifics, but I'm sure they've worked together since the podcast has been around, so I have no idea. Maybe he's just an "artiste" type that doesn't like the medium? Zero idea. Anyway, BJ Porter is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6fez3AHUzQ
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bananasinpajamas posted:When I did the beta testing for the Earwolf website, we had a Skype conversation with Jeff Ulrich, the producer of CDR/CBB and all the other Earwolf shows. He said that Porter wanted nothing to do with the podcast, but didn't go into any specifics, but I'm sure they've worked together since the podcast has been around, so I have no idea. Maybe he's just an "artiste" type that doesn't like the medium? Zero idea. I will never not laugh at the Josh Fenderman Micheal Jackson dance being used over and over again.
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Re: advertisements, I totally used proflowers.com because of the WTF ads. Used it a few times after as well. I imagine its pretty hard for advertisers to figure out the wildely different podcast audiences.
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May 6, 2011 04:17
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Paul F. Tompkins is such a podcast slut. That dude is on everything!
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May 6, 2011 04:50
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I doubt this will be up long: Talking Funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V4q-zb2iI4
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Maarak posted:I doubt this will be up long: Thanks, this is really good
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Maarak posted:I doubt this will be up long: Thanks so much for this. A PRIZED MULE! fucked around with this message at 07:58 on May 6, 2011 |
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May 6, 2011 07:44
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I thought the Talking Funny special was unbearable. I'm a fan of all those guys, but Louis CK seemed to be the only really interesting guy to listen to. Seinfeld didn't really give a drat and Gervais just seemed like a small, insecure fish (they even made fun of his lack of experience at one point).
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May 6, 2011 07:59
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Yeah, I really loved Gervais' podcasts and TV shows and I'm generally a fan of his, but I think it would have been infinitely more interesting if it had just been Chris Rock and Louis CK, or maybe they had replaced Seinfeld and Gervais with some other people.
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May 6, 2011 08:11
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Gervais was raw, and so eager for validation that he organized, and produced the whole thing. Seeing him not in control, but trying to assert it among people he respected was new, and totally worth it. Given the popularity of this special, there's talk of more coming.
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May 6, 2011 08:16
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If I had the pull to bring those people together, I totally would. I can't fault Gervais for that. That said I can totally see the points that nemouette and Creflo are espousing.
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May 6, 2011 08:29
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Don't get me wrong, I liked the concept (hell, I listened to tons of comedian's podcasts just talking poo poo about comedy), it was just a bit... tame. Perhaps if I didn't have the interest in comedy it would've been different, but at the end of the day, both Gervais and Seinfeld are a pretty lovely standups and I just didn't really care about their opinions on the subject. I'd watch Gervais talk about comedy and writing for sure (I've listened to every single episode of is from XFM and onwards so many drat times), but this was just meh.
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nemoulette posted:Don't get me wrong, I liked the concept (hell, I listened to tons of comedian's podcasts just talking poo poo about comedy), it was just a bit... tame. Perhaps if I didn't have the interest in comedy it would've been different, but at the end of the day, both Gervais and Seinfeld are a pretty lovely standups and I just didn't really care about their opinions on the subject. I'd watch Gervais talk about comedy and writing for sure (I've listened to every single episode of is from XFM and onwards so many drat times), but this was just meh. In 2011 it might be easy to say that Seinfeld's a lovely stand up, but you have to admit that he's sort of the proto-stand up of the modern era of comedy. The stereotype of what a stand up is, largely, is based on him. Brick wall, blazer, "what's the deal with...", etc. He's not a bazillionaire for not being funny. (Tim Allen is, however) I'm only two-thirds of the way through, but the thing I keep seeing is that Gervais keeps trying to deconstruct everything, while the other three just say, "What are you talking about? That poo poo is just funny!" I wonder if that's a Gervais thing or a British thing. But admittedly I myself sometimes think about "Now, exactly WHY is that funny?" when sometimes I should just let it go and realize that funny isn't something you can contemplate too much. Still, I can't help but think about comedy in an intellectual sense. And that may be to my detriment.
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May 6, 2011 09:13
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God I sound like such a loving jerk.
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A PRIZED MULE! posted:God I sound like such a loving jerk. Nah don't feel bad for having opinions bro, even about comedy. I really dislike Seinfeld's style, but I agree the dude got where he is for valid reason (of course then there's the argument of 'well a bunch were trying that method he's just the only rear end in a top hat who got a tv deal' and such, I think it's valid but the point still stands). I can't listen to Gervais anymore though. I used to hate him, but the more I see the more I just feel sorry for him. I used to hate him for being such an abrasive and smug douche about his generic comedy, but lately he's regressed into this just sad "OH GOD PLEASE LOOK AT ME, TELL ME I'M CLEVER!" guy, especially around 'other' respected comedians and all.
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I liked Talking Funny quite a bit even though they all talked over each other -- especially over Rock, who seemed to never get to finish his points. But I have to say I was genuinely upset that 2 (or 3) huge comedians in the world actually thought "Sitting on a cock 'cause I'm gay..." was actually FUNNY funny, and not funny because of the ridiculous nature of the situation Gervais described. Gervais just could not get over them thinking that was funny, and I'm with him on that. Changing lyrics on-the-fly to obvious poo poo like that is seriously loving easy, and dumb. It's good for a quick chuckle among friends at best.
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substitute posted:I liked Talking Funny quite a bit even though they all talked over each other -- especially over Rock, who seemed to never get to finish his points. Tell us more about what is supposed to be funny.  I agree with Louis CK and definitely not Ricky Gervais. There's no "reason" why something has to be or doesn't have to be funny. Sometimes it just is and there's no real explanation for it.
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bananasinpajamas posted:Tell us more about what is supposed to be funny. HUMOR ANALYSIS MODE: there is absolutely a reason why everything is funny, and we can always break it down. A joke is just a simple curveball - setup, creating our base reality and assumptions, and then punchline, violating our assumptions in a surprising way. Laughter is the release of tension in the form of a non-threatening surprise, so anything that's funny is something we find a) surprising and b) not a threat to our personal safety/core beliefs. We can always ask ourselves why we are laughing, why we find this funny and something else not funny, and analyze the art form. This is boring to everyone, so I will stop.
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By the way, I do think there's a reason that "sitting on a cock 'cuz I'm gay" is funny. It has to do with the attitude of the song it's parodying. (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay is such a timeless, somber classic that you don't expect the joke to be just that stupid. It's one of those "so dumb it's funny" moments in the same class as awful puns. I think you could even do a good version of that joke with a slow intro into the song and then just lay right into that line. And, yes, of course you do the whistle.
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t3ch3 posted:By the way, I do think there's a reason that "sitting on a cock 'cuz I'm gay" is funny. It has to do with the attitude of the song it's parodying. (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay is such a timeless, somber classic that you don't expect the joke to be just that stupid. It's one of those "so dumb it's funny" moments in the same class as awful puns. I think you could even do a good version of that joke with a slow intro into the song and then just lay right into that line. Exactly, it's funny because it's the worst, dumbest, easiest parody imaginable. It's not funny because it's clever, or insightful, it's funny because it's something the biggest moron in the world would be proud he came up with it. It's funny because the idea of someone finding it genuinely funny is funny. It's ironically funny.
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All I know is that ever since I saw that special and every time I read this thread (Sittin' On) The Dock of the Bay gets stuck in my head again.
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bananasinpajamas posted:Tell us more about what is supposed to be funny. Yeah I don't want to argue about comedy and what is or is not funny, but I think context and expectations are why most things are funny. They seemed to be agreeing that just changing lyrics to dirty words is funny on its on, and not a bit hacky. Gervais seemed baffled and I was surprised as well.
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