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heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy
According to an email from the Commissioner today the IRS hiring freeze will continue through 'at least' the end of FY2011.

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JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

science + hockey
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It's nice to read all these success stories from all y'all, congrats.

...especially since I have an update regarding that awesome group that would pretty much be a dream job for me in pretty much every way...

...they rejected me. :smithicide:

The worst part about it is that it's the first place out of like 50 applications that actually paid any attention to me and after two months of being really optimistic, I'm SOL.

When I called 'em up, they cited budget issues and that I should re-apply in Oct.

Oh God, I'm going to have a PhD and no job. :cry:

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

JetsGuy posted:

Oh God, I'm going to have a PhD and no job. :cry:

What about landing a teaching job?

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
FBI sent out an email to some people today mentioning that now there's a budget, they have lifted their FY11 hiring freeze.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
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Zoo posted:

FBI sent out an email to some people today mentioning that now there's a budget, they have lifted their FY11 hiring freeze.

I got that as well, also made me take a survey to determine my eligibility for positions. Not sure if I need to reapply to vacancies after I take it, wait for the results of said survey to reapply, or what though. Seemed like an awfully simple survey to determine eligibility.

Edit: Quick question for anyone who is familiar with the clearance investigations. I met with one of my investigators a while back to clear up some discrepencies with my last SF-86 (nothing major, just my not knowing how to fill out the damned thing way back when, and not including stuff in the current one due to their not asking for certain information). Was that the final contact to clear up or come clean or whatever before adjudication begins? Or is the process still to obscure to really understand where one is in the process?

Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Apr 27, 2011

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.
Too obscure, but if I had to guess, it sounds like they're either at the beginning or the end of your process. If I had to guess. The only time I've had an investigator call (asking for marriage counseling records), my clearance was adjudicated only a couple of weeks later. YMMV I suppose.

Dr. Strangler
Jul 21, 2009

I 'snapped' and killed a bird and its baby purely because their chirping annoyed me. I got a buzz out of killing them both with one shot.

In other words, I have the mind of a serial killer.
OK so I have a question: when I finish my Americorps term in November, I will receive non-competition eligibility for government jobs. What should my first steps be? Should I be lining up jobs now? Should I wait to do anything until I get the non-comp form? This year is blowing by and I'm getting anxious.
E: for that matter, what can I even do with it? Is it even helpful at all?

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

Give me Flibbity posted:

OK so I have a question: when I finish my Americorps term in November, I will receive non-competition eligibility for government jobs. What should my first steps be? Should I be lining up jobs now? Should I wait to do anything until I get the non-comp form? This year is blowing by and I'm getting anxious.

Good fuckin' luck, I've had it since 2008 (Boren Scholar) and no dice. If you know somebody on the inside who can make a case for you, that's another matter.

CarterUSM
Mar 17, 2004
Cornfield aviator
Okay, I have a question:
On my school's job boards there's a listing for a DoJ Antitrust division position. I'm supposed to submit all application materials to an email address for the purpose. Among the requested materials are "three references". Any one have any idea if these are supposed to be solely academic references? Professional? Character? Are they expecting actual write-ups for these references, or just individuals that they can contact in order to ask questions about me?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

CarterUSM posted:

Okay, I have a question:
On my school's job boards there's a listing for a DoJ Antitrust division position. I'm supposed to submit all application materials to an email address for the purpose. Among the requested materials are "three references". Any one have any idea if these are supposed to be solely academic references? Professional? Character? Are they expecting actual write-ups for these references, or just individuals that they can contact in order to ask questions about me?

I saw that on mine as well. Given that one of the main points behind the lawsuit ending FCIP was how those positions weren't listed on USA jobs (and therefore inaccessible to vets for reasons unknown to science), I'm curious as to how exactly that will work considering it's not currently on the website.

CarterUSM
Mar 17, 2004
Cornfield aviator

psydude posted:

I saw that on mine as well. Given that one of the main points behind the lawsuit ending FCIP was how those positions weren't listed on USA jobs (and therefore inaccessible to vets for reasons unknown to science), I'm curious as to how exactly that will work considering it's not currently on the website.

Well I'm still rather bitter that I'm not eligible for the +5 veteran's preference even though I AM a veteran.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

CarterUSM posted:

Well I'm still rather bitter that I'm not eligible for the +5 veteran's preference even though I AM a veteran.

Guard/reserves, or did you leave as an O4?

CarterUSM
Mar 17, 2004
Cornfield aviator

psydude posted:

Guard/reserves, or did you leave as an O4?
Neither. I was active duty and honorably discharged as an E-4 from the Navy, but apparently you either have to have served in a specific time period, or have been given an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal or campaign award.

http://www.fedshirevets.gov/job/vetpref/index.aspx

Since I served from 1995 to 1997, and was only deployed on a sub to the Mediterranean, I'm SOL.

Edit: I love that serving less than half a year (as long as it was after 9/11) counts. I could have gone through boot camp, made it less than halfway through my "A" school, popped positive on a drug test and gotten a General Discharge, and would still qualify for +5 preference. (Though admitted, getting a General Discharge after less than a year pretty much screams "don't hire me, I'm a fuckup," to most employers.)

CarterUSM fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 28, 2011

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Wow, that's super lame.

e: You guys didn't support NATO poo poo in the Balkans at all?

psydude fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Apr 28, 2011

CherryCola
Apr 15, 2002

'ahtaj alshifa
Just posting to say I'm still freaking enamored with my federal job!! they're going to pay for me to take a six month distance learning Urdu refresher course!! also, just got my first paycheck.

Um. The wait was so worth it, guys.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

CherryCola posted:

Just posting to say I'm still freaking enamored with my federal job!! they're going to pay for me to take a six month distance learning Urdu refresher course!! also, just got my first paycheck.

Um. The wait was so worth it, guys.

I guess, I'm giving up. I sent my acceptance packet back to the Japanese consulate this morning, and 2 hours later get a call from the Border Patrol to schedule my first physical fitness test. Hey, try not taking six months next time, assholes :byewhore:

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

I'm not too worried. I've got 4 months of active duty pay to land a job; hopefully the feds call me back in that time.

Midge the Jet
Sep 15, 2006

I'm just working in the private sector in the DC area to get some experience to get out of applying in the 5/7 range. So not really a rush for me to get a federal job, though it would be sweet.

At least being living right by DC makes it much easier to do interviews (if they happen) now. Better than driving from South Carolina or Philly like we used to have to do. Driving 6 hours to DC, sleeping in an overpriced hotel, going to a invitation-only hiring fair, and then driving back to SC to finish college finals was not fun at all...but hey, that's how my fiance got in.

Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.

psydude posted:

I'm not too worried. I've got 4 months of active duty pay to land a job; hopefully the feds call me back in that time.

I had this idea too back when I got out of AD. I also had unemployment to last me. I'd been discussing a job with the FBI at the time, and it ended up taking them 18 months to verify a two week lapse in my security clearance. After a few months, I got fed up with waiting and started going to school and took a throwaway job at Starbucks. I forgot about the FBI and just started doing what I needed to move forward with my life. I ended up with an Associate's in business management from the local community college, and then the HR person I'd been speaking with at the FBI got back to me that April.

"Hi Drewski, I know we haven't talked in awhile but I just wanted to let you know that we processed your security clearance. I do have some bad news, though. The position you applied for has already been filled due to urgent requirements. Please feel free to apply for any other FBI jobs though!"

What really struck me was that:
1 - If there were 'urgent' requirements, they couldn't expedite my clearance.
2 - They didn't tell me right away that the position had been filled.
3 - They continued to process my clearance even after the position was filled. I mean, that's good for me because active clearance is awesome... but still.

After 18 months, I wasn't about to have any of it, so I looked around at colleges I could apply for. The only one still accepting applications was the University of Southern California. Lucky for me that I applied and got in! So it turns out my 'throwaway job' became my main source of income for 3+ years while I made my way through college.

After I got out of college, I did end up working for the FBI as a contract translator. At first I loved it but after about 6 months I started hating and dreading every second of going into work. I was eventually fed up and left. I should've known since it was such a pain in the rear end the first time around.

Now I work as a civilian for the Army doing awesome stuff. Love the job. Unfortunately I'm only GWOT term, so I'm looking every day at USAJOBS still.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
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I got news. I've been "approved" for my clearance. Not sure though if that means I got it right now, or only once I get hired. Hopefully the former. But one less thing to worry about. Now I just need to worry about when a vacancy will open up.

DubDisciple
Jan 9, 2005
Jah Jah never fail I yet
Well you guys were right about these things taking a while. I applied in January at the end of the application period for a position that was listed as Temporary -- March 2011 to March 2012. It is a chief of a department position and I figured the period of time for the position would be important. Probably an outgoing chief, and on top of that to secure quality candidates who are already professionals you have to be honest about when they would be working.

But no, after not hearing anything I just emailed and the thing is still being considered.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007
Passed the fitness part of my PFT1 with flying colors this morning. On four hours of sleep and having puked from a hangover an hour before. Also, my hearing is apparently excellent, while I thought it was poo poo. Thanks, Border Patrol!

Ghosts!
Jan 6, 2004
Under what circumstances would a job be re-listed?

I applied to a job a few week ago that I think I should be qualified for, but received no response. Today I was going through the listings and noticed that it had been posted again with the message that previous applicants needed to reapply. I am worried that something is terribly wrong with my application and would like to correct that before I reapply, but maybe there is a simple explanation for why this would happen?

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

The-RIK posted:

Under what circumstances would a job be re-listed?

I applied to a job a few week ago that I think I should be qualified for, but received no response. Today I was going through the listings and noticed that it had been posted again with the message that previous applicants needed to reapply. I am worried that something is terribly wrong with my application and would like to correct that before I reapply, but maybe there is a simple explanation for why this would happen?

Sometimes just if they don't get their asses in gear and fill it by a certain date, it has to be relisted. That's just one explanation, it could be something else. If there's a number on the posting (assuming USAJobs here), try calling them and seeing what's up.

Ghosts!
Jan 6, 2004
Yeah, it is with USAJobs, but it routes you to apply through the Army civilian personnel resume site. I will give them a call and maybe I can get through!

To give some more background, this is for a GS-9 Environmental Protection Specialist position on an Army base. I have experience doing the job at the state level for 2 years, and I will be finishing a MS in Hydrogeology this summer, so it seems like I should be qualified.

Since I have not actually finished my Master's but will be done in around 2-3 months, should I go ahead and put that I have a MS on the resume? Or would it be better to tell the absolute truth that I have some graduate experience but no degree yet? I am not planning on hiding the fact that I am not quite done, but on the other hand I don't want to sell myself short or anything and not get an interview.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

The-RIK posted:

Yeah, it is with USAJobs, but it routes you to apply through the Army civilian personnel resume site. I will give them a call and maybe I can get through!

To give some more background, this is for a GS-9 Environmental Protection Specialist position on an Army base. I have experience doing the job at the state level for 2 years, and I will be finishing a MS in Hydrogeology this summer, so it seems like I should be qualified.

Since I have not actually finished my Master's but will be done in around 2-3 months, should I go ahead and put that I have a MS on the resume? Or would it be better to tell the absolute truth that I have some graduate experience but no degree yet? I am not planning on hiding the fact that I am not quite done, but on the other hand I don't want to sell myself short or anything and not get an interview.

Just put it on there with the graduation date set for when you'll graduate, they'll be able to connect the dots. If you want some help fine-tuning your resume, Resume to Interviews in SAMart did wonders for my pile of crap. I'm very good at writing, but not a resume expert by any means.

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.

Gravel Gravy posted:

I got news. I've been "approved" for my clearance. Not sure though if that means I got it right now, or only once I get hired. Hopefully the former. But one less thing to worry about. Now I just need to worry about when a vacancy will open up.

I'm not sure why you're distinguishing between these scenarios. Are you planning on not accepting the job that triggered your investigation, or was it canceled? Nonetheless, if your clearance has been adjudicated then you do indeed have the clearance. It will expire in a couple of years if you don't use it, but you have it for now. :)

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.

The-RIK posted:

Since I have not actually finished my Master's but will be done in around 2-3 months, should I go ahead and put that I have a MS on the resume? Or would it be better to tell the absolute truth that I have some graduate experience but no degree yet? I am not planning on hiding the fact that I am not quite done, but on the other hand I don't want to sell myself short or anything and not get an interview.

Like P.R. said, you definitely want this on your resume. 2-3 months may as well be tomorrow in federal time (specify the graduation date, though).

BrainParasite
Jan 24, 2003


The-RIK posted:

Under what circumstances would a job be re-listed?

I applied to a job a few week ago that I think I should be qualified for, but received no response. Today I was going through the listings and noticed that it had been posted again with the message that previous applicants needed to reapply. I am worried that something is terribly wrong with my application and would like to correct that before I reapply, but maybe there is a simple explanation for why this would happen?

My agency pulls and re-lists anytime they make even the smallest mistake in the listing.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
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Zoo posted:

I'm not sure why you're distinguishing between these scenarios. Are you planning on not accepting the job that triggered your investigation, or was it canceled? Nonetheless, if your clearance has been adjudicated then you do indeed have the clearance. It will expire in a couple of years if you don't use it, but you have it for now. :)

I was just under the impression that my clearance wasn't active until I actually started work. Whether or not this is true, I don't know. Hopefully I actually have it so I can apply for other jobs.

Edit: Now they say they could have an opening next month. Fingers crossed.

Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 21:10 on May 4, 2011

Ghosts!
Jan 6, 2004
Thanks for the input everyone. The lack/slowness of communication during the hiring process make me nervous about mistakes I may have made. I will just adjust my application and try again.

bumnuts
Dec 10, 2004
mmm...crunchy

Gravel Gravy posted:

I was just under the impression that my clearance wasn't active until I actually started work. Whether or not this is true, I don't know. Hopefully I actually have it so I can apply for other jobs.

Edit: Now they say they could have an opening next month. Fingers crossed.

Related to this: if I had a clearance for a summer internship, do I still have an "active" clearance for X years after that internship is over? Or is it only active for the period that you are in a job that requires it?

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

bumnuts posted:

Related to this: if I had a clearance for a summer internship, do I still have an "active" clearance for X years after that internship is over? Or is it only active for the period that you are in a job that requires it?

I think it's 2 years? (If that's the case, mine just lapsed last month.) Either way, it makes it a lot easier for your next one, so don't worry about it being for naught.

Zoo
Oct 24, 2004

I hate to break it to you, but there is no big lie, there is no system. The universe is indifferent.

Gravel Gravy posted:

I was just under the impression that my clearance wasn't active until I actually started work. Whether or not this is true, I don't know. Hopefully I actually have it so I can apply for other jobs.

Edit: Now they say they could have an opening next month. Fingers crossed.

I would think that since it was adjudicated and sponsored by whatever organization triggered it, you could still use it for other jobs (you just haven't been read-on and such, which is fine; you'd need to re-do that if you switched jobs anyway). I'm not an SSO, though, so I'm not crystal clear on those processes, although there's a massive amount of misinformation out there on these topics that I've cleared away in the past for myself and sometimes human error among security personnel makes things pretty confusing. I'm just estimating that adjudication is your key goalpost. You should have an adjudicated, valid clearance in the appropriate databases, but you don't have an active SCI anywhere yet because nobody has briefed you into SCI anywhere (however, you should be eligible for SCI, if that makes sense to you). There might be some kind of active/inactive qualifier somewhere, besides SCI sponsorship, but I can't say one way or the other credibly.

I have no idea if there are any effects from turning down the job that sponsored your clearance but am also curious. I've had occasion to be wonder about that for a friend who was potentially going to be in a similar circumstance. It simply doesn't make sense to me that they would "undo" your clearance once it was adjudicated just because you didn't ultimately accept the job or otherwise didn't come on board, but weirder things have surprised me I guess. Even a so-called inactive clearance should make life easier for you, especially if it was just adjudicated (right? just makes sense, no?). Not certain, but I'm fairly sure that another employer--especially in the same department-- will look you up and see you already have an adjudicated clearance. I've actually had an organization I was visiting tell me I was uncleared because I had an expired clearance listed in the system from the USAF, then I had to tell them to scroll down for my current clearance, at which point the "ah, OK" moment came and they put the uncleared badge back in the drawer.

You may also consider that some organizations require re-adjudication; e.g. Justice Dept doesn't always accept a clearance adjudicated by Defense. DoD to DoD has been transferable for me so far though.

And yeah, re: internship guy, it's still "active" after you last used it until it expires. I think it is two years, indeed, but not positive; or maybe until your five-year periodic review is due if that's <2 years for you...

Zoo fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 5, 2011

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

Zoo posted:

I would think that since it was adjudicated and sponsored by whatever organization triggered it, you could still use it for other jobs (you just haven't been read-on and such, which is fine; you'd need to re-do that if you switched jobs anyway). I'm not an SSO, though, so I'm not crystal clear on those processes, although there's a massive amount of misinformation out there on these topics that I've cleared away in the past for myself and sometimes human error among security personnel makes things pretty confusing. I'm just estimating that adjudication is your key goalpost. You should have an adjudicated, valid clearance in the appropriate databases, but you don't have an active SCI anywhere yet because nobody has briefed you into SCI anywhere (however, you should be eligible for SCI, if that makes sense to you). There might be some kind of active/inactive qualifier somewhere, besides SCI sponsorship, but I can't say one way or the other credibly.

I have no idea if there are any effects from turning down the job that sponsored your clearance but am also curious. I've had occasion to be wonder about that for a friend who was potentially going to be in a similar circumstance. It simply doesn't make sense to me that they would "undo" your clearance once it was adjudicated just because you didn't ultimately accept the job or otherwise didn't come on board, but weirder things have surprised me I guess. Even a so-called inactive clearance should make life easier for you, especially if it was just adjudicated (right? just makes sense, no?). Not certain, but I'm fairly sure that another employer--especially in the same department-- will look you up and see you already have an adjudicated clearance. I've actually had an organization I was visiting tell me I was uncleared because I had an expired clearance listed in the system from the USAF, then I had to tell them to scroll down for my current clearance, at which point the "ah, OK" moment came and they put the uncleared badge back in the drawer.

You may also consider that some organizations require re-adjudication; e.g. Justice Dept doesn't always accept a clearance adjudicated by Defense. DoD to DoD has been transferable for me so far though.

And yeah, re: internship guy, it's still "active" after you last used it until it expires. I think it is two years, indeed, but not positive; or maybe until your five-year periodic review is due if that's <2 years for you...

Oh, I didn't actually get to use it (was an alternate), so I don't think it was ever active in that sense, but I did get it approved/finished. Can only help, but I'm probably going to turn down this job with the Border Patrol because I doubt I'd be able to EOD any sooner than 9-12 months (spent 3 years of college overseas, I'm a boy scout but I know that will make things a huge pain in the rear end for a BI), and have a solid offer in Japan starting at the end of July. Given that I'm barely making ends meet as it is, I'll take the somewhat lower pay (but much fewer hours/less stress) of the other job. I'm going to talk with CBP HR about it though, I'm pretty sure they won't let me go overseas while doing a BI, but it can't hurt to ask.

JetsGuy
Sep 17, 2003

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Holy poo poo, I got a call regarding one of those "ACQUISITION" postings I applied for... I am in shock.

psydude posted:

What about landing a teaching job?

Teaching jobs for PhDs are extremely hard to come by. If you want to teach college level, you need at least 3 post docs to be competitive... which means basically another 6 years of living like a glorified grad student.

Teaching on the HS level is pretty hard too because either you need to find a way to get a teaching license, or if they're willing to waive that requirement, they won't want to hire you because the state demands they pay PhDs much more than they want to pay a new teacher.

Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.
Anyone got experience with the VA? I just got referred to a program analyst intern position in Portland :D

I am wondering how quick the VA is to respond to referrals?

amethystbliss
Jan 17, 2006

Drewski posted:

Anyone got experience with the VA? I just got referred to a program analyst intern position in Portland :D

I am wondering how quick the VA is to respond to referrals?

I was referred to the VA back in October but wasn't contacted for an interview until mid February. Not in Portland, though, so the Portland VA could be more efficient.

Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.
How long was the period of time between when the announcement closed and when you received your referral notification?

edit: And was it for a single position or for multiple openings?


edit 2 - thanks.

Drewski fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 6, 2011

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amethystbliss
Jan 17, 2006

Single position, application closed on October 18th, referral was on October 26th, contacted for interview on Feb. 15th and got the job a week later.

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