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FEBRUARY RESULTS ARE UP! MY HUSBAND PASSED!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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May 5, 2011 21:35
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RheaConfused posted:FEBRUARY RESULTS ARE UP! congrats to him. this is a very festive post. ps the entire first post summed up nicely on this website: http://shouldigotolawschool.net/
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May 5, 2011 22:11
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Didn't make the ATL law revue finalists this year LIFE IS OVER. P.S. here's the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KP1mOxq_pE
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May 6, 2011 00:19
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Beautiful Flower posted:Didn't make the ATL law revue finalists this year LIFE IS OVER. This loving sucks
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May 6, 2011 00:36
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phil with it
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May 6, 2011 00:44
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Phil Moscowitz posted:This loving sucks ouch.
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May 6, 2011 00:55
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Back to Bar chat for a minute. I was hired to start working right after school with the understanding that I would study for the bar at the same time. Any advice on studying while working a little under full- time? How about any Washington state bar advice?
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May 6, 2011 01:17
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Isn't Washington one of the no-MBE states? So, I guess, don't waste your time on MBE stuff.
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May 6, 2011 01:35
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Beautiful Flower posted:ouch. Your narrator is a friend of mine from college. Tell her the internet sends hearty greetings.
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May 6, 2011 02:06
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Beautiful Flower posted:ouch. Don't quit your day job* *unless you are a lawyer
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May 6, 2011 02:21
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Phil Moscowitz posted:This loving sucks This was a helpful review
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May 6, 2011 02:29
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RheaConfused posted:FEBRUARY RESULTS ARE UP! Congratulations! Also, congrats, good luck and goon speed to all graduating 3Ls and those studying for various bar exams. 
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May 6, 2011 02:29
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Hippokleides posted:This was a helpful review poo poo is beyond help
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May 6, 2011 02:47
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Vander posted:Back to Bar chat for a minute. Enjoy the couple days of free time between finals and the start of work/bar prep, you're not going to remember what it is after two days in.
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May 6, 2011 03:15
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Vander posted:Back to Bar chat for a minute. Work 8-5, study 6-10. On weekends, get yelled at until you work 10-9, study from 10-12.
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May 6, 2011 04:51
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Alaemon posted:Isn't Washington one of the no-MBE states? So, I guess, don't waste your time on MBE stuff. Correct sir! I get to write essays for two and a half days!
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May 6, 2011 06:05
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Vander posted:Correct sir! I get to write essays for two and a half days! Then (and this is going to sound obvious) write lots and lots of essays. Ridiculous amounts of them. All you can find.
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May 6, 2011 06:07
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BigHead posted:Work 8-5, study 6-10. On weekends, get yelled at until you work 10-9, study from 10-12. Work 8:30 am - Midnight. Make some index cards at your desk during downtime. Tell yourself you'll study on the weekend. Get shitfaced on Friday. Make index cards hungover from 2 pm - 8 pm. Get shitfaced on Saturday. Make index cards for longer on Sunday. Repeat. Take two weeks off before the bar and cram.
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May 6, 2011 06:10
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Vander posted:Correct sir! I get to write essays for two and a half days! Hope your laptop has a good keyboard. Thank god I had a thinkpad.
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May 6, 2011 06:20
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Do you people get to use laptops on the bar? Michigan still requires handwriting or typewriters.
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May 6, 2011 06:45
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HooKars posted:Work 8:30 am - Midnight. Make some index cards at your desk during downtime. Tell yourself you'll study on the weekend. Get shitfaced on Friday. Make index cards hungover from 2 pm - 8 pm. Get shitfaced on Saturday. Make index cards for longer on Sunday. Repeat. Take two weeks off before the bar and cram. Believe this woman over me. She is wise and (or) experienced. Alaemon posted:Do you people get to use laptops on the bar? Michigan still requires handwriting or typewriters. That's hosed up. Do you also have to take the bar in Detroit? What's it like in the stone age? Does a hamster wheel power your internet or something? Also, for those of you graduating undergrad and lurking: If you go to law school you deserve to be stabbed in the dick and/or child-bearing hip. It's so godawful terrible. For instance: quote:Let’s say you are a prospective law student. You’ve now got U.S. News, the New York Times, nearly the entire blogosphere, and even Congress telling you to be careful when you interact with a law school administrator. Think about that. Think about how much of an idiot you’d have to be to believe anything a law school puts in its brochures or recruiting materials at face value. The tide has turned; pretty much the only people who believe that it’s still cool to mislead prospective law students are people who work for law schools. gently caress, you have no idea. It's so terrible. Even those of us with (lovely) jobs hate it. HATE it. And we were once you. Do not go, do never go, never ever never ever ever go. BigHead fucked around with this message at 08:15 on May 6, 2011 |
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May 6, 2011 07:53
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BigHead posted:That's hosed up. Do you also have to take the bar in Detroit? What's it like in the stone age? Does a hamster wheel power your internet or something? We don't take the bar in Detroit. The morlocks are superstitious and distrustful of outsiders. The bar exam is held in East Lansing, at Michigan State. The winter session is held at the Kellogg Center (hotel & conference) and the summer session is at the Breslin Center. I'd love to know why the bar examiners haven't caught up to the existence of Mr. Babbage's marvelous difference engine. It didn't seem like the ideal moment to bring it to their attention.
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May 6, 2011 08:28
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can I get some cover letter help up in this piece? thanks in advance
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May 6, 2011 13:00
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BigHead posted:gently caress, you have no idea. It's so terrible. Even those of us with (lovely) jobs hate it. HATE it. And we were once you. Do not go, do never go, never ever never ever ever go. Wait, if you're going T1, dont mind working long hours, are detail-oriented and in that minority that for some reason like reading minutae of contracts this still doesn't apply right? I also have mentally and emotionally set myself up for how the legal profession is not at all like it is shown on TV, and recognize I will be working with lots of people who either hate it or put up with it and are bitter. PS. This thread was the biggest reason I avoided taking the law career path for the last 4 years, but I've tried everything else and either don't like it or am not good at it. drawkcab si eman ym fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 6, 2011 |
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May 6, 2011 18:53
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It does because nobody actually enjoys those things, they just tell themselves they do to justify their terrible decisions to themselves.
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May 6, 2011 18:54
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:Wait, if you're going T1, dont mind working long hours, are detail-oriented and in that minority that for some reason like reading minutae of contracts this still doesn't apply right? I also have mentally and emotionally set myself up for how the legal profession is not at all like it is shown on TV, and recognize I will be working with lots of people who either hate it or put up with it and are bitter. I don't think this thread endorses that anyone go to law school, ever. But you're an adult and can make your own decisions. I can tell you that despite no matter the emotional preparation, there will be plenty of times (although hopefully not most of the time) you don't enjoy being a lawyer, but I think that's the case with a lot of jobs.
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May 6, 2011 19:14
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Alaemon posted:Do you people get to use laptops on the bar? Michigan still requires handwriting or typewriters. do most people do typewriters? I don't even know how to use a loving typewriter
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May 6, 2011 19:35
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So after months of looking, I still don't have a place in DC for the summer. he;lp. I need something starting May 20. Anyone know anyone or something?
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May 6, 2011 19:35
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Thanks for the advice. Are there specific instances you can think of quotison? Getting pulled away from family time? Having to do an all nighter writing a brief? Also, diospadre, I think you're right. There are things id rather do than read a contract. But I imagine some company wanting to do something, and I think it'd be cool and kind of exciting to write up something that's airtight legally. So maybe I'd put something like that inbetween "not minding it" and "liking it".
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May 6, 2011 19:37
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Kissy Suzuki posted:I literally have the penmanship of a mentally handicapped child so I'm really lookin forward to this The majority hand write their exam. It's a pretty large majority, actually. I'm making up these figures, but from my wholly unscientific observation, I'd be surprised if even 10% went to the typing room. Also the noise coming out of there is something fierce. Anyone who's going to type needs to bring earplugs. I once met a guy who typed his exam. He bought new ribbons for it and one broke like... an hour in or something. Fortunately, it was winter session and he was staying at the same place that holds the exam. He was able to talk a proctor into escorting him to his room so he could grab a new ribbon. If he'd been staying somewhere else, he would've been out of luck.
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May 6, 2011 19:45
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Alaemon posted:The majority hand write their exam. It's a pretty large majority, actually. I'm making up these figures, but from my wholly unscientific observation, I'd be surprised if even 10% went to the typing room. Also the noise coming out of there is something fierce. Anyone who's going to type needs to bring earplugs. In other news, this state loving sucks
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May 6, 2011 19:51
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:PS. This thread was the biggest reason I avoided taking the law career path for the last 4 years, but I've tried everything else and either don't like it or am not good at it. This is the best reason for spending $100k on law school, being all like "meh, i dunno what else"
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May 6, 2011 19:54
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TheBestDeception posted:This is the best reason for spending $100k on law school, being all like "meh, i dunno what else" It's not like that at all man. For my "What do you want to do after elementary school" letter I said I wanted to be a judge, and I won the County award for my position in Mock Trial during high school. I was all gung ho to do law before reading this thread during my freshman year of college. I tried out various other career paths (some stuff in health care, I did PhD research, thought about teaching) and like I said I either wasn't good at it or didn't like it.
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May 6, 2011 20:14
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:It's not like that at all man. For my "What do you want to do after elementary school" letter I said I wanted to be a judge, and I won the County award for my position in Mock Trial during high school. I was all gung ho to do law before reading this thread during my freshman year of college. I tried out various other career paths (some stuff in health care, I did PhD research, thought about teaching) and like I said I either wasn't good at it or didn't like it. Not liking or being bad at X does not mean you should do Y, it just means you don't like and/or are bad at X. X and Y are unrelated. Why do you think law school is for you?
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May 6, 2011 20:21
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The things I want out of my career include: - Getting paid well (I understand this is not a guarantee in the legal field. I am willing to work hard for this. If I don't get an LSAT score that puts me at least at the averages of a T1 then I will not go to law school). - Having coworkers I get along with (I actually like most prelaw people I know. We have similar interests and hobbies for the most part. I would hang out with anyone in this thread. I also like that prelaw people are driven and motivated individuals). - Enjoying my work and being good at it. (I've touched on this before, but I find the legal field innately interestings). - Having time outside of work to do things I enjoy. (This is the one that legal field does not match up with very well. If I cannot find a good paying government job, I would like to find a firm that is known for its work-life balance. This will not be easy to find, so if I have to sacrifice this, I will. I dont plan on giving up all my hobbies and interests but if I have to spend less time with them, I am willing to). I know the legal field is far from perfect. Im not going in with a romanticized view of it. It will be hard, I will have to make sacrifices, and at points I will regret it. But the benefits outweight the costs for me.
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May 6, 2011 20:36
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:It's not like that at all man. For my "What do you want to do after elementary school" letter I said I wanted to be a judge, and I won the County award for my position in Mock Trial during high school. I was all gung ho to do law before reading this thread during my freshman year of college. I tried out various other career paths (some stuff in health care, I did PhD research, thought about teaching) and like I said I either wasn't good at it or didn't like it. The only person I have ever given my blessing to to go to law school was a guy who got a full needs-based scholarship (so it couldn't be taken away like a merit scholarship) and whose parents had their own firm so he had a guaranteed job. Unless you pay nearly nothing to go, and unless you have a guaranteed job, do not go. Edit: "getting paid well" "enjoying your coworkers" and "enjoying the work" are the three least applicable things that have ever been said about law school.
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May 6, 2011 20:36
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BigHead posted:The only person I have ever given my blessing to to go to law school was a guy who got a full needs-based scholarship (so it couldn't be taken away like a merit scholarship) and whose parents had their own firm so he had a guaranteed job. I would be willing to put off law school for a few years, work a job, and save up.
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May 6, 2011 20:42
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:It's not like that at all man. For my "What do you want to do after elementary school" letter I said I wanted to be a judge, and I won the County award for my position in Mock Trial during high school. I was all gung ho to do law before reading this thread during my freshman year of college. I tried out various other career paths (some stuff in health care, I did PhD research, thought about teaching) and like I said I either wasn't good at it or didn't like it. What makes you think you'll be good at law? Winning a HS mock trial award is slightly more impressive than not pissing yourself in public. The things I want out of my career include: quote:Getting paid well (I understand this is not a guarantee in the legal field. I am willing to work hard for this. If I don't get an LSAT score that puts me at least at the averages of a T1 then I will not go to law school). quote:- Having coworkers I get along with (I actually like most prelaw people I know. We have similar interests and hobbies for the most part. I would hang out with anyone in this thread. I also like that prelaw people are driven and motivated individuals). quote:- Enjoying my work and being good at it. (I've touched on this before, but I find the legal field innately interestings). quote:- Having time outside of work to do things I enjoy. (This is the one that legal field does not match up with very well. If I cannot find a good paying government job, I would like to find a firm that is known for its work-life balance. This will not be easy to find, so if I have to sacrifice this, I will. I dont plan on giving up all my hobbies and interests but if I have to spend less time with them, I am willing to). While you've done a better job of qualifying your views than a lot of other people who meander in here, they're still not particularly compelling by any stretch of the imagination. You have vague assertions of "benefits" that seem to focus on the salary without explaining why you would be good at legal work or how you plan to pay for law school. Personally, I think Bighead's formulation is a little strong, but he's in the right zip code. I'd water it down to T20+ no strings attached scholarship or T6 at sticker.
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May 6, 2011 20:49
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:The things I want out of my career include: You will not be able to do any of these things in a legal career. You will be judged by your peers for how long you are at the office. You will have more work than you can complete in a 60-hour work week. The BEST bosses will scream at you like you've murdered their family in front of them at least once a month. Go sit in a law school cafeteria. Or class. We're all ASSHOLES. You get poo poo on by every person that has worked at the firm or in the field for any period of time longer than you have. Put off law school for a few years. Save up. Put that money to work for you. Factor in a few years of "residency" working for sub minimum wage an hour and then figure that you'll get a job that pays an extremely modest salary (because they do pay that, high salaries are an exception, especially nowadays). Expect to sacrifice your time, physical well being, mental health and longevity for your career. IS THIS FOR YOU?
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IANAL posted:
Absolute truth. I can tell what year someone is just by one sentence out of a conversation. 1Ls are all masturbating about how smart they are and how much they love the law. 2Ls try and talk about their jobs. 3Ls simply say "gently caress this poo poo." Anyone who says they like pre-law students is lying to themselves. quote:You get poo poo on by every person that has worked at the firm or in the field for any period of time longer than you have. There is nothing so disheartening as seeing something you've worked on for hours get shredded and remade into a worse form that quite possibly loses a motion you should have won. And it happens. A lot. quote:Put off law school for a few years. Save up. Put that money to work for you. Factor in a few years of "residency" working for sub minimum wage an hour and then figure that you'll get a job that pays an extremely modest salary (because they do pay that, high salaries are an exception, especially nowadays). Go. Teach. loving. English. HAVE SOME FUN.
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