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drawkcab si eman ym posted:Are there fields outside of patent prosecution in the patent field where being able to sit for the patent bar helps and not having an undergrad science degree doesn't matter as much? If you have the 40 credits in a hard science sufficient to qualify for the USPTO exam, why not just finish out whatever degree program you've almost completed and take a double-major? If the classes aren't technical/sciency enough to satisfy the core requirements of a CS degree or whatever, they're probably not good enough to satisfy the USPTO requirement either (e.g. courses for a Information Systems degree generally won't be sufficient). The ability to sit for the patent bar is really only important for patent prosecution. Patent prosecutors are hired based on their technical area of expertise. For example, as a CS guy, I don't write patents for chemical or biological inventions. Without a strong background in a particular scientific discipline, your USPTO registration isn't going to be helpful for much of anything. NJ Deac fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 6, 2011 |
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:on the issue of substantive prep, is there a reason why so many people seem to be against it? Some of the "general" 0L books recommend a ton of summer prep, some recommend none. I understand that every professor wants something different, but is there really no advantage to reading through some of the primers? I hear a lot of people say not to do it, but I've never heard someone say they did it and regret it. It mostly seems like 0Ls throw around this "don't prep" sort of mentality, but then anyone who does prep with primers/LEEWS/GTM claims they were all extremely helpful. People are flatly against it because that makes you a gunner and gunners are viewed as literally the worst thing ever (do whatever you want and don't worry whether anyone, online or otherwise thinks you are a gunner. our class gunner transfered to yale and is doing a CoA clerkship at the moment). I do, however, have a hard time believing that summer prep, particularly of substantive law, helps significantly. Those that did do prep are biased in favor of justifying the time they spent. For one thing, you probably don't know which classes you are taking that semester until shortly before classes begin (I found out during orientation). Preparing for a final you'll take in eleven months is just silly. But on the other hand, if doing some summer prep raises one class's grade even by one grade step, it's arguably worth it, right? I think ultimately that learning substantive law before law school probably won't help your grades. But knowing how law school works and knowing what is expected of you is really important, and I think you should have a head start on that. You should know how legal rules work, why precedent is important. You should know that while minute details of cases and philosophical ideas of law get emphasized in class, it's really the black letter rules that get tested on the exam. It's okay to wait until November to figure out what the hell Erie is, but you don't wait until then to learn what a law school exam looks like.
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Stop posted:Did you guys find that people benefited from reading prep material or whatever in the summer before their 1L year? Read Getting to Maybe a week before classes start. Most of it will go over your head. At least it did for me. But I'm going to a lower ranked school than you so that means my brain is smaller. So maybe you'll understand it right away. For the first 5-7 weeks, you only have to keep up with the reading. Take notes. Participate in class, if that's your thing. Don't be a douche. This generally boils down to: asking smart questions > your two cents on why it isn't rape if the woman doesn't vocalize her objections (real input in Crim Law, HTH). What your professor says may matter, so pay attention in class. I believe there are some folks ITT who think that professors are worthless. I don't believe that. The professors are the ones who are grading your exam. They are important. They generally not only tell you the types of arguments that they like by steering conversation around certain points or themes, but they generally tell you their personal thoughts on why laws are or are not good (hint: this is fodder for policy exam questions). But then again, I go to a lower ranked school where our professors don't get off on being scary fucks to the wet-behind-the-ears 1Ls. You're going to a better school than I, so I'm sure one of your professors will murder the first student who can't hold their own against a questioner doing logic-circles around their poorly formed responses just to get a thrill out of their job. After the 5-7 week mark, it would be good to start organizing the first sections of your classes into what you think an outline should look like. When you're done with that (it will take a while), find practice exams for your subject on your school's exam database or just on the web (TLS is good). Don't use old exams from your professor -- they're golden, you don't want to use those up when you don't know dick about what you're doing. After taking your sample exams, compare your bad answer to a supplied answer. See what your outline is missing and determine how to fix its poor structure. Feel free to borrow a TA's or 2L/3L's outline or a commercial supplement (your professor should have recommendations as to which they prefer) to supplement your outline. You do the hard work, though, so no C&Ping straight from some mecca outline. The manual labor (heh) helps you memorize and get familiar with the material. Pro Tip: if there is a TA who is willing to look at one of your sample exam responses and tell you just how bad it is (and why), this is awesome advice. Reread Getting to Maybe around this time. Hopefully you'll start being able to piece together what exactly they're telling you to do. (Hint: they're telling you how to get As on your exams). The trick to doing well in any class is to know the types of arguments to make. The trick to doing well in a specific class is to know how to make those arguments with the legal jargon, topics, and mechanics from the class material. By week 11-12, you should be working on having most of your outlines substantially completed. Keep practicing your lovely exam responses to make them continually less lovely. It will feel like trying to pound round pegs into a square hole. This is law school. Keep doing it. As you hit the final stretch (weeks 14-15), your outlines should be done (or close enough). Skim Getting to Maybe once again. You should hopefully be making substantial connections between what GTM says and what you're doing in your exam responses. After classes are over and in the final days leading up to each of your exams, take your professors' exams. Review your responses and see where you hosed up. Retake the exams. Everyone writes better the second time around. This should get you to seeing how a "second stint" answer looks like. The real trick is writing a "second stint" answer when you take the actual exam. This may be overkill. I'm sure there are some geniuses in this thread who partied every night but still made a 4.0 and graded onto LR because they're fan-loving-tastic, but they are the exception to the rule. I am not fan-loving-tastic. You are not fan-loving-tastic. The rule we have to live by is: work your rear end off. And more importantly, work smart. You'll have time to socialize, so don't be a dick to your classmates because you want to have some amount of friends. Think 60-80 hour weeks once you're in full work mode -- which shouldn't start until after your first month, which should be preoccupied with getting a handle on how to effectively and efficiently read a case and getting tanked at least two to three times a week with your peers. Schedule your work time accordingly (early morning starts are baller) so that you can hang out with folks and do fun stuff. Most of all, realize that first semester (and second, actually) is a very long marathon. Go in realizing that you are about to be showered in poo poo. Hot, steaming, wet feces. That poo poo is 1L classes and, more generally, "the law." It is your job to effectively clean up, identify, and categorize all that poo poo you're wallowing in. THEN you have to serve that poo poo right back to the people who dumped it on you in the fashion they love being served poo poo. You win 1L if you can do all of this without losing your lunch. edit: I kept writing because it kept me away from write on. This week blows.
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drat Phantom posted:You might get some benefit, but you're going to have to work way harder than you need to because no professor charges through every aspect of the black-letter lawl (which is what you'll get from the supplements). The most important thing is to stay on top of your reading and studying throughout the semester and study/practice past exams and model answers like crazy. Oh, and outline weekly so that poo poo doesn't pile up and set your deadlines for legal writing assignments early. People start burning out at the end because they have all this other poo poo *besides* exam prep taking up their time. This is absolutely true, and any incoming 1Ls should follow this advice. I found this thread too late to drop out, but soon enough to put my head down and work my rear end off first year (fueled by sheer terror at the realization of what I'd gotten myself into). I put in far more work than my peers and definitely sacrificed my social life, but I came out in the top 3% of my 1L class, got job offers, and am now one of the lucky few to have a job out of my middle-T2 school (also probably could/should have transferred). Essentially first year everyone still thinks they're a special snowflake who can get by without studying like in undergrad, which means if you work hard you can take advantage of that curve. More specifically, echoing what others have said, I don't think reviewing any substantive law before classes start is necessary. However, getting an understanding of how to take law exams is enormously helpful. Getting to Maybe or LEEWS both seem pretty good, and I'm sure people here have other recommendations. They're not gospel, but they'll give you an idea of how to attack exams. Then, as early in the semester as you can start doing practice exams, hypos, E&Es, sample questions from commercial outlines, etc. - anything and everything you can get your hands on. The black letter law usually isn't all that hard to grasp and memorize. The points in exams (and therefore law school) come from analyzing the problem, attacking it, and putting it down like a professor wants to see it. Seriously, I cannot overemphasize the value of doing (fully writing out when possible) practice questions, exams, hypos, etc. If nothing else it does a great job of pointing out areas you don't understand or are still weak in. Of course, now I'm in full "gently caress It" 3L mode and can barely work up the motivation to look over an outline before my last two exams. fake edit: Green Crayons responded while I was typing. Everything he (she?) said is true, and probably a more helpful timeline. Going to class is important, even if it's boring and at times terrifying (as a 1L). I went to every class and read every assignment my 1L year (can't say the same for this year...), and I honestly think it helped. Did it suck? Yes, but for the amount of money I was burning to attend, it seemed stupid to do anything else. One last note: you don't have to be the prototypical insufferable gunner to do well. I loving hate talking in class and actively avoided it to my last day of class last week. Only a single close friend in my school knows even the ballpark of my grades. Throughout school I avoided talking about grades or job prospects with my fellow classmates because I know for a fact I'm no smarter than them.
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How hard is it to get into the NYU/UMich Tax LLMs? I've got an article published in international tax law, will have a couple years' experience practicing in tax law in a top-tier New Zealand law firm, and my university grades are good but not amazing (A minus-ish). Do I have a shot, or should I set my sights lower?
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:interesting. I certainly met a lot of people who chose HLS over SLS (or so they claimed) and at least a handful claiming to have chosen HLS over YLS. But yeah, due to size HLS doesn't place as well into clerkships, though I think they still place the best in biglaw, or at least firms claim they prefer HLS students over SLS/YLS. I guess it's the Stanford thing that confuses me, they seem to have odd reputation and I don't tend to see people picking SLS over the other two. No offense to those people, but even kids who get into HYS aren't necessarily that savvy about legal markets, pathways to academia, etc. I can certainly believe that there are people in your class who chose to attend HLS over Yale, but that would be because they made a mistake and not some well-reasoned decision (barring money from the Big H or having a Cialis side-effect level hardon for Boston/Cambridge that simply won't go away). Look at our very own Warszawa; employers solicit *him* with jobs because he's a student at Yale. The very concept would probably break the mind of some poor T1 grad sitting on a debt load of $150k in his parents' basement. To the people that matter and will actually hire you, Yale is superior. And if you want to look at it from a perverse, Pokemon-esque viewpoint: for the employers who want to collect a diverse menagerie of T14 or T6 beasts of burden, Harvard grads are relatively un-rare to their Yale and Stanford brethren. I suppose that choosing Harvard over Stanford would make sense in the context of wanting to maximize your East Coast options at the expense of your West Coast hiring options. Having said that, you are very, very fortunate and are in a good position attending HLS. No matter where Harvard stands in relation to its two other peers, it's still a school where you can be below average and still have a range of employment opportunities. I wouldn't be attempting to transfer there if I thought otherwise. Damn Phantom fucked around with this message at 01:35 on May 7, 2011 |
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in absentia posted:Final exam in 13 hours. Haven't opened the book in 2 days. Barely looked over the outline. But, you know . . . 3L.
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gvibes posted:Lesson: be an enginerd, go to law school, maybe end up not hating life.
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in absentia posted:Final exam in 13 hours. Haven't opened the book in 2 days. Barely looked over the outline. But, you know . . . 3L. This. My last law school exam ever is in 11.5 hours and I only really started looking over the material this afternoon. What better way to end it all than one final all-nighter?
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Lancelot posted:How hard is it to get into the NYU/UMich Tax LLMs? I've got an article published in international tax law, will have a couple years' experience practicing in tax law in a top-tier New Zealand law firm, and my university grades are good but not amazing (A minus-ish). Do I have a shot, or should I set my sights lower? Uh, sounds like you're probably the most competetive candidate either program will probably get this year? I expect you'll easily get into both and should be very competetive for NYU's tax law review/scholarship program thing. The question is, why do you want to do that? I'm assuming you're a New Zealander and not an American JD degree holder--are you trying to get licensed to practice in America? If so, why?
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Ersatz posted:Congrats. And unless there's an honors designation hanging in the balance "gently caress it" is the right attitude. What about above/below median designation? Going to take my next to last law school exam ever in 11 hours or so but I've actually been looking through the material for the last couple days. Does that make me a bad 3L? Also, I'm happy to report that I will not be dragging down UVA's employment numbers. They're going to mark me down as self-employed 
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:Thanks for the advice. Are there specific instances you can think of quotison? Getting pulled away from family time? Having to do an all nighter writing a brief? Oh mememememe - everyone else can ignore, you've already heard me whine. I went to a T10 law school (UVA), was on law review (top journal) and had a big law summer job. I rotated through their departments, was given an offer and asked to rate where I wanted to practice (Litigation). I accepted the offer. A week before I started work, after already signing a NYC lease and taking a $10,000 advance from my firm that I had to pay back, I was finally informed I'd be in the bank lending group (Transactional). I had no finance experience what so ever. Most people didn't have such a disconnect but I had friends who wanted niche positions like Employment, Antitrust, IP who ended up in completely different areas as well despite being from top schools and it being a decent economy at that point and there was nothing you could do but quit or hope the firm would let you work two departments and eventually switch. I was laid off 6 months later because bank lending wasn't such a hot place to be in 2009. I applied to all kinds of jobs for a year and a half - big law in litigation and transactional, government, public interest, PARALEGAL jobs - nothing. After a year and a half, I finally received an offer in a city that I had never lived in. I moved and because firms have cut costs they signed me on as a "staff attorney" so I made $100,000 vs. the market rate of $145,000. But not a big deal - $100k is still good and I thought maybe I'd work slightly less hours. I work from 8:30 am - 8:30 pm (at the earliest) daily when there are no deal closings. When I work, I "draft" contracts except I don't really draft them - we copy and paste them from old deals and then I change the names and edit them ever so slightly to create a "new" contract. Half of the time I have no work but lawyers are assholes and if your superiors have to stay, you often have to stay - and for really stupid stuff like no work or say, printing out a document that they could just as easily have printed out. Unfortunately, my time doesn't count unless it's billed to a specific client so those hours where I have no work are completely wasted and do not count at all towards things like bonuses. I may as well not be there but I have to be there or there's yelling. When there is a deal closing, I am there from 8:30 am - midnight or oneish usually. There will be an occasional later night but those are my normal hours. Our deal closings last for approximately 3 weeks. When you have multiple deals going on, this means that you may have a week of downtime sometimes but usually not (and then again - it's 8:30 - 8:30). And the people aren't nice, because nobody is nice at 1 am when you've hosed up because you're exhausted and now everyone has to stay late while you fix things. Also, during deal closings we alternate between trough style chinese food and pizza every night for a month. We have a gym in the building but there is no time to use it. It's disgustingly unhealthy. The person who had my office before me actually had a legit nervous breakdown and is still not working. Because I was smart and accepted a school where I received a scholarship, I can actually quit with no repercussions and get on with my life. Which is what I'm going to do. But even if you do everything "right," the law profession is generally not a kind one and you're likely to end up with nasty coworkers, long hours or some combination. Please note also, that I do not work in NYC. I work in Philadelphia, one of those smaller cities where people think their lives will be better. Also, I love writing my story for potential law students. HooKars fucked around with this message at 02:31 on May 7, 2011 |
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Lancelot posted:How hard is it to get into the NYU/UMich Tax LLMs? I've got an article published in international tax law, will have a couple years' experience practicing in tax law in a top-tier New Zealand law firm, and my university grades are good but not amazing (A minus-ish). Do I have a shot, or should I set my sights lower? You'll get in, I'm sure. There were a bunch of T2 and even T3 kids in the GULC tax program who had median JD grades who got in at GULC. NYU might be a little more competitive but I'm sure you could get it. Does UMich's tax program have a good reputation? I've never heard it mentioned. At GULC, we only have one actual tax professor on staff, and he still practices on the side. All the other tax prof's are adjuncts from either local offices of Big Four or biglaw or IRS people. I think NYU's tax faculty draw more from law firms and the size of actual professors is bigger.
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entris posted:At GULC, we only have one actual tax professor on staff, and he still practices on the side. Are you referring to Doran? He's awesome, he actually made early-morning Property worth attending. When he left UVA I vowed never to take any tax course because if he wasn't teaching it why bother? I'm proud to report I've made good on that vow. gently caress tax (unless it's taught by Doran).
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HooKars posted:I went to a T10 law school[], was on law review (top journal) and had a big law summer job Linguica fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 7, 2011 |
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HooKars posted:Also, I love writing my story for potential law students. The story is good, but I always want it to have a punchier ending, like, "And the hook was still there" or "we've traced the call and it's coming from INSIDE THE FIRM!"
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HooKars posted:I can actually quit with no repercussions and get on with my life. Which is what I'm going to do. The attitude of this thread is so hosed up, I get very happy when people say things like this. Congrats! Life's too short for that bullshit. Drawcab: you will happier and have a better life if you do not go to law school.
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The one thing you learn at law school worth noting: DON'T EVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH Goddammit. Stop it my clients. Also, always get an attorney when charged with a crime. And shut the gently caress up. There, all the parts of law school you need to do, done.
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It's worth noting I entered law school with or just ahead of most of the people on this page (and told one of them not to go several times (you moron)), have practiced less law than any of them except the unemployed ones and am by far the happiest person here.
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Adar posted:It's worth noting I entered law school with or just ahead of most of the people on this page (and told one of them not to go several times (you moron)), have practiced less law than any of them except the unemployed ones and am by far the happiest person here. fuuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuuuuuu
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Adar posted:It's worth noting I entered law school with or just ahead of most of the people on this page (and told one of them not to go several times (you moron)), have practiced less law than any of them except the unemployed ones and am by far the happiest person here.
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I go to a bottom T2 law school and I won the indentured servitude lottery. I will be working for a low-paying federal agency for 10 years so my astronomical loans are forgiven tax free. After that I may do another 10 years, retire to Key West, and fish/drink away all memory of my huge mistake. Of course IBR could eventually be repealed in which case you will find me leading an armed revolt.
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Unamuno posted:What about above/below median designation? Going to take my next to last law school exam ever in 11 hours or so but I've actually been looking through the material for the last couple days. Does that make me a bad 3L?
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I dunno I'm pretty happy y'all just whiners Or maybe I'm perpetually drunk? S'possible.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I dunno I'm pretty happy y'all just whiners My happiness level is directly related to my level of intoxication and inversely proportional to the amount of time I spend thinking about the law.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I dunno I'm pretty happy y'all just whiners I'm watching the movie It's Kind of a Funny Story. It's the happiest I've been since getting two files wherein schizophrenic people were suin' cops for crazy rear end, but entertaining, reasons. Edit: I'm on edge about the incident involving the breakfast burrito. Why not bring up the hemorrhoids Craig?! Ask Bob he's hungry and smells like a hobo's bandaid! ~~Craig meet me on the bench outside the rec room~~ BigHead fucked around with this message at 04:56 on May 7, 2011 |
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drat Phantom posted:No offense to those people, but even kids who get into HYS aren't necessarily that savvy about legal markets, pathways to academia, etc. I can certainly believe that there are people in your class who chose to attend HLS over Yale, but that would be because they made a mistake and not some well-reasoned decision (barring money from the Big H or having a Cialis side-effect level hardon for Boston/Cambridge that simply won't go away). Look at our very own Warszawa; employers solicit *him* with jobs because he's a student at Yale. The very concept would probably break the mind of some poor T1 grad sitting on a debt load of $150k in his parents' basement. To the people that matter and will actually hire you, Yale is superior. And if you want to look at it from a perverse, Pokemon-esque viewpoint: for the employers who want to collect a diverse menagerie of T14 or T6 beasts of burden, Harvard grads are relatively un-rare to their Yale and Stanford brethren. I met people at HLS that had been solicited for jobs too, so it goes both ways. But the HYS debate is an endless one, and definitely most people that go to HLS over YLS do it for the "atmosphere" and that's basically quoting what they told me, which translates into "I hate New Haven," which I also heard directly from several Yale undergrad students and people that had visited their ASW a couple days before. Stanford is still all about the weather, though, as HLS cutely pointed out, for the past eight~ years the weather in Cambridge has always been nicer during HLS' ASW than in Palo Alto on the same day. Fortunate for them their ASW isn't in the winter.
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:on the issue of substantive prep What Green Crayons posted is generally right, but I wanted to add two things. First, you're taking an exam for a particular professor; your answer should use their terminology. For example, my Con Law professor had a particular view of political question doctrine for justiciability that theoretically made sense, but had nothing to do with the cases, so I learned his view--not what Baker v. Carr said (or didn't say). That's one example, but it's very common. The reason 0L prep is pretty useless is it burns you out and you're probably not learning the stuff that you would need to put on the exam (which is what determines your grade) because you don't know what your professor wants. Second, don't get caught up in the outlining frenzy. Con law isn't magically going to change because you wrote out the holding of Gibbons v. Ogden. Get an existing outline and modify it to your class. At Harvard, I'd imagine almost every exam is open book, so make your outline around what your professor is interested in. Include small policy points, namedrop any academic s/he mentioned, point out a tension or logical problem in the analysis based on what s/he said in class. I'd also recommend buying a charting program or creating your own charts. Having the "flow" of your general analysis planned out beforehand is very helpful. While charts are more conducive to success in some classes (torts, civpro) and less to others (Contracts), a chart makes it hard to leave out something major. Here's my chart for torts battery. 
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Omerta posted:What Green Crayons posted is generally right, but I wanted to add two things. First, you're taking an exam for a particular professor; your answer should use their terminology. For example, my Con Law professor had a particular view of political question doctrine for justiciability that theoretically made sense, but had nothing to do with the cases, so I learned his view--not what Baker v. Carr said (or didn't say). That's one example, but it's very common. I appreciate all the advice I can get, so thanks for this. Do you have any recommended charting/outlining programs?
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BigHead posted:I wish I had read a Conviser Mini Review (it's a BarBri MBE prep short outline) before 1L. I had no loving clue what to expect going in, and I learned all the wrong things for like five months before figuring out what the hell I needed to learn. Just learning that were elements to various things was a revelation that took several weeks to dawn on me. Agreed. This is perennial but terminally uncool advice, but: more time buying the right supplements and downloading the right outlines ahead of time; less time worrying about your prof's bullshit day-to-day lecturing. BigHead, you weren't at the bar convention, were you? When I heard the out-of-town clerks were getting drunk outside Professor John Yoo's suite and running drag races, I wondered.
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Anthropolis posted:Agreed. This is perennial but terminally uncool advice, but: more time buying the right supplements and downloading the right outlines ahead of time; less time worrying about your prof's bullshit day-to-day lecturing. This is definitely the sort of advice that I find very helpful. Right now I'm just trying to get a grasp on what the good prep supplements/outlines are. This is the first time I've heard of the Conviser Mini Review, whereas people seem to be all about the much longer and in-depth E&E series put out by Aspen. I of course know about elements and all that, I'm just not sure what else I should bother learning, as so much seems tailored to the professor, particularly at top schools.
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A lot of people use onenote (windows only). I don't really see that big of a difference between it and word. I like (and use) Mindjet. http://www.mindjet.com/index_ac.html I think the student price is like $80, you need a .edu address to get the discount. If you don't find charting stuff out to be helpful (it's borderline essential for me), then just use word. Same general result, it just looks more ghetto. Oh yeah, one other thing. Find a mentor! Make buddies with a 2/3L and talk to him or her about the stuff they wish they knew when they started 1L year. I'm sure H offers some kind of dean's fellow program where a few 3Ls who balled out give advice and hold office hours. Talk to them every week. Bring in exam questions you did. Talk to them about what you could do better and what you did well. Beyond academics, talk about jobs and poo poo--they have great perspective on what's a waste of time and what is useful to attend. 1Ls seem to always talk to other 1Ls about what to do; don't do that. 1Ls are stupid and don't know how things work. MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:This is definitely the sort of advice that I find very helpful. Right now I'm just trying to get a grasp on what the good prep supplements/outlines are. This is the first time I've heard of the Conviser Mini Review, whereas people seem to be all about the much longer and in-depth E&E series put out by Aspen. I of course know about elements and all that, I'm just not sure what else I should bother learning, as so much seems tailored to the professor, particularly at top schools. Omerta fucked around with this message at 05:22 on May 7, 2011 |
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MEET ME BY DUCKS posted:I appreciate all the advice I can get, so thanks for this. Do you have any recommended charting/outlining programs? I just use Photoshop, plunk down blocks of text wherever and draw in lines, but for courses like Corporations that usually just ends up resulting in 200 MB PSD files. I mapped for Admin last semester and managed to do pretty well despite being up against a room of 200 gunners, though e: Prof. Fisher does amazing stuff with Mindjet for all his courses Bro Enlai fucked around with this message at 05:23 on May 7, 2011 |
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May 7, 2011 05:20
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Anthropolis posted:Agreed. This is perennial but terminally uncool advice, but: more time buying the right supplements and downloading the right outlines ahead of time; less time worrying about your prof's bullshit day-to-day lecturing. I was not at the bar convention. First, I have a total hippie liberal dislike of John Yoo. Second, I had schizophrenic files to get out of my office. At least two of them. If I had known you were to be there, I would have staged a 2 person goon meet. But you sent me that PM after I dedicated myself to covering for both the judge and the JA. Additionally, Convisers is the best absolute bare bones outline that one could want for almost everything. From what I vaguely remember, it was like 100 pages long and covered 8 1L subjects perfectly (in a bare bones manner). It covers everything you shouldn't waste time learning on your own. Edit: It's Kind of a Funny Story (starring America's Sweetheart Zach Galifinachos) turned really  then really . This movie is an emotional rollercoaster.
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May 7, 2011 05:21
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The whole discussion about liking/disliking prelaw students is meaningless if what you're looking for is an indication of whether you'll enjoy the company of lawyers. Law school ruins people, the legal profession ruins people. Even if you don't become an alcoholic, it gives you this sort of manipulative worldview and approach to everything. Or at least that's been my experience, which doesn't seem uncommon. It depresses me knowing that I've become a worse person since going to law school, but it's true. And I'm even a public interest panda. You'll be working with ruined people, not prelaw students.
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May 7, 2011 05:24
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Red Bean Juice posted:Corporations right click save as. Thanks a lot, that looks awesome. I haven't figured out how to do super cool things with the program yet. I kinda want to go to Kinkos and print this out on a big poster.
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May 7, 2011 05:25
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intensive purposes posted:The whole discussion about liking/disliking prelaw students is meaningless if what you're looking for is an indication of whether you'll enjoy the company of lawyers. Law school ruins people, the legal profession ruins people. Even if you don't become an alcoholic, it gives you this sort of manipulative worldview and approach to everything. Or at least that's been my experience, which doesn't seem uncommon. It depresses me knowing that I've become a worse person since going to law school, but it's true. And I'm even a public interest panda. You'll be working with ruined people, not prelaw students. lol, you are a public defender.rtf
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May 7, 2011 05:35
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So turns out six clerking interviews and six functions in ten days is not very enjoyable.
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