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Thenipwax
Jun 20, 2001

by Ozmaugh
At least you've got a mother that has her head on straight. Your aunt is terrible.

The elders in my family are all conservative. My grandpa was a rarity in that he did bootstrap his way to prosperity, so of course he voted straight republican his whole life and his kids all learned the same ideals. I feel like the lone beacon of sanity in my family.

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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

XyloJW posted:

I thought about pointing out that Jesus is dead too, but the whole thing was so mindboggling stupid I thought being antagonistic would just make it worse. But yeah, that was particularly entertaining. "What do the followers of that guy know, he died thousands of years ago!"


Hahah, good one. I might just post that on my wall and let her stew over that. I got a list of first responders and was going to ask her how many of the churches/charities on that list she personally saw, so I can know which ones were liars or late or invisible or nonexistant--I'm still not sure just what she was implying. Unfortunately, she blocked me just as I had that all typed up.

I'm mostly amazed at how quickly she dismissed everything I had to say. Every point brought up resulted in "You weren't there, you don't know." Because I had the sense to leave for the storm and wait till it was safe to come back, I can't talk about objective facts about it to someone who stupidly stayed. And when my mom then repeated the exact things I did, she dismissed my mom as a disgusting liberal.

And reposted the whole thing, with not one clarification or correction!

By arguing with her, you were basically just spoiling her right wing fun. The people who indulge these email/FB forwards really couldn't care less about facts and verification, they're just reaffirming prejudices and preconceived notions (Christianity good, government bad, black people bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad) and membership in the Fox Nation tribe.

So her response of blocking you and reposting the thing without your inconvenient arguments is just the digital equivalent of sticking fingers in ears and going "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" and going back to rituals of affirming membership in the right wing clan.

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

Zwabu posted:

By arguing with her, you were basically just spoiling her right wing fun. The people who indulge these email/FB forwards really couldn't care less about facts and verification, they're just reaffirming prejudices and preconceived notions (Christianity good, government bad, black people bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad) and membership in the Fox Nation tribe.

So her response of blocking you and reposting the thing without your inconvenient arguments is just the digital equivalent of sticking fingers in ears and going "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" and going back to rituals of affirming membership in the right wing clan.

I've got this going on facebook right now about Obama being credited for the OBL kill. "Obama didn't kill OBL, soldiers did! And just weeks ago he was considering not paying them!" I responded by asking where she'd heard anyone suggest that Obama actually pulled the trigger and whether or not she was aware that it wasn't Obama holding up the soldier pay.

"I'm entitled to my opinion! Everyone needs to back off!"

Yeah, it isn't about debate or discussion.

poemdexter
Feb 18, 2005

Hooray Indie Games!

College Slice
At least she agrees it's not a fact.

sheri
Dec 30, 2002

Deuce posted:

I've got this going on facebook right now about Obama being credited for the OBL kill. "Obama didn't kill OBL, soldiers did! And just weeks ago he was considering not paying them!" I responded by asking where she'd heard anyone suggest that Obama actually pulled the trigger and whether or not she was aware that it wasn't Obama holding up the soldier pay.

"I'm entitled to my opinion! Everyone needs to back off!"

Yeah, it isn't about debate or discussion.

One of my husband's facebook friends posted the same status about Obama not killing Osama and the troop pay thing. He posted in response on there saying that saying Obama didn't kill Osama in the same way Osama wasn't flying the planes on 9/11 and no matter what you think about Obama he deserves some of the credit for it (and he also addressed the troop pay thing as well). The person deleted his response, he reposted it a couple more time and it was deleted by the person each time. Finally, my husband was unfriended by the original poster.

That actually made him feel pretty good-- the other guy was basically indicating he had no response for that and would rather delete him then deal with it.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

quote:

Note: This update comes some 24 hours after our
longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an
Obama administration having been "overruled" by senior military and
intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against
terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of
Insider's insights surrounding that event.



_______

Q: You stated that President Obama was
"overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to
send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was
that accurate?



A: I was told - in these exact terms, "we
overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further
details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon
Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."
There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific
position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific
position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this
case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

Read more in Issues



I was correct in stating there had been a push
to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by
Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim
Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie
Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty
within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the
pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often
fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time,
though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more
recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the
president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous
leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested
on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and
harm the president's already weakened standing with both the American
public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act
of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the
Middle East.

Q: What changed the president's position and
enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?



A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion
- he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and
intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position,
Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary
started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it
was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act -
sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct
CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was
threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported
back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in
successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American
lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a
willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the
president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing
attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed
policy. Again Obama hesitated - this time openly delaying further
meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at
this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push
the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to
certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally
indicated - he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced
him to stay on and see the operation through.





What happened from there is what was described
by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated
to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location
were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be
taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's
inaction would be "...significant to the point of political
debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground
campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This
was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett.
Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of
failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr.,
Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin
Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from
acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost
entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know
is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to
him -and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the
compound. Basically, the whole drat operation was already ready to go -
including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy
within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed
with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary
Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly
associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other.
Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been
given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the
opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of
the implications of that authority - namely he was possibly being made
into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the
opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting,
Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta,
indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then
followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission,
Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the
president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed
such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed
Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley
contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett
refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then
informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions,
even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American
public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion.
Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated
the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the
United States was not informed of the engagement order - it did not
originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given
and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from
their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett
insulated from that order.







This insulation ended at some point with an
abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and
was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later
explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual
conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A
storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue.
Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off
guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She
was furious, repeating the acronym "CoC" and saying it was not being
followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The
particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he
did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie
Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no
longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What
did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley,
Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a
representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim
Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence,
detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin
Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon
Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as
well as direct contacts with military - both entities were reporting to
Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States.
There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier.
The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack
Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had
already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a
golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the
mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill
Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When
Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very
confused and uncertain." The president was then placed in the situation
room where several of the players in this event had already been
watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding
this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the
operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had
personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's
events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows
the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo
does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in
that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary
Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including
their acknowledging of his presence in the room.





At the conclusion of the mission, after it had
been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again
briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room
besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third
individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this
briefing, the president came out of it "...much more confident. Much
more certain of himself." He was also carrying papers in his hand that
quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on
the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him
prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room,
where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was
receiving congratulations from all who were present.





In my initial communication to you of these
events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high
ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term.
These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the
repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to
do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There
will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the
president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact.
What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of
Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation.
I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection
afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and
eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.

At least they are high effort now!

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

Vilerat posted:

At least they are high effort now!

I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason?

Regardless, I can't wait to hear all about this at Mother's Day dinner with my conspiracy theorist in-laws.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
As a candidate Obama was adamant in the face of a lot of criticism that would would take action against AQ targets inside Pakistan even against Pakistani wishes. So Obama is actually one of the few guys around with the stones to order such a thing.

Anubis
Oct 9, 2003

It's hard to keep sand out of ears this big.
Fun Shoe

Vilerat posted:

At least they are high effort now!

I like how nothing is attributed or even a website link is provided. Someone just made sat down and made that up all out of whole cloth to either troll or to justify their ideology. It's completely loving mental.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


tek79 posted:

I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason?

Regardless, I can't wait to hear all about this at Mother's Day dinner with my conspiracy theorist in-laws.

Someone in a high position would probably just get forced out, as with MacArthur.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

tek79 posted:

I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason?

Regardless, I can't wait to hear all about this at Mother's Day dinner with my conspiracy theorist in-laws.

The "Insider" stuff about the "coup" is completely unsourced from an anonymous blog.

Brecht
Nov 7, 2009
The narrative is totally manufactured from whole cloth. At both at a high level and in the details, it's completely contradicted by actual, sourced reporting on the days leading up to the operation.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Brecht posted:

The narrative is totally manufactured from whole cloth. At both at a high level and in the details, it's completely contradicted by actual, sourced reporting on the days leading up to the operation.

Who you gonna believe, some anonymous right wing blogging conspiracy theorist, or your lying eyes? :smugdog:

tek79
Jun 16, 2008

Zwabu posted:

The "Insider" stuff about the "coup" is completely unsourced from an anonymous blog.

I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid.

TGLT
Aug 14, 2009

tek79 posted:

I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid.

But they do it all the time in Hollywood, just like Jack Bauer and torturing terrorists :downs:

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
Sorry to request but I know I saw it in this thread, but it's gotten so big. Does anyone have that "When X% of a country is Islam Y happens" email?

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

RagnarokAngel posted:

Sorry to request but I know I saw it in this thread, but it's gotten so big. Does anyone have that "When X% of a country is Islam Y happens" email?

This is the one I think you're thinking of.

This is related.

This is unrelated, but happened to come up in my search and it's so goddamn out there I find it too funny not to bring up again:

quote:

Subject: CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?!

In the wake of Sept. 11, an increasing number of California public school students must attend an intensive three-week course on Islam, reports ASSIST News Service.

The course mandates that seventh-graders learn the tenets of Islam, study the important figures of the faith, wear a robe, adopt a Muslim nameand stage their own jihad. Adding to this apparent hypocrisy, reports ANS, students must memorize many verses in the Koran, are taught to pray "in the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful" and are instructed to chant, "Praise to Allah, Lord of Creation."

...

crime fighting hog
Jun 29, 2006

I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

Choadmaster posted:

This is unrelated, but happened to come up in my search and it's so goddamn out there I find it too funny not to bring up again:

I wish my school had done this, for real.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

crime fighting hog posted:

I wish my school had done this, for real.
They're 7th graders. When told to pick their Muslim name they'd have all gone with "Durka Durka Muhammad Jihad".

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
It's also heavily exxagerated

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/islam.asp

Also thanks for that email, I just thought about it the other day because I'm currently in Indonesia and wonder of wonders that email isn't actually true.

RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 8, 2011

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?

RagnarokAngel posted:

It's also heavily exxagerated

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/islam.asp

Also thanks for that email, I just thought about it the other day because I'm currently in Indonesia and wonder of wonders that email isn't actually true.

Wait...are you suggesting that someone who sent me that, is lying? They're a close family friend and they forwarded that to me, honestly I'm more inclined to believe them. Gonna have to go with my gut here.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

nsaP posted:

Wait...are you suggesting that someone who sent me that, is lying? They're a close family friend and they forwarded that to me, honestly I'm more inclined to believe them. Gonna have to go with my gut here.

Are you serious? You don't think people that forward these emails do so without having verified anything in them? Doesn't mean they're lying as much as they believe the stuff in them and don't care to check them for authenticity or accuracy before forwarding them on.

I honestly can't tell if you're joking.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

"Zwabu" posted:

Are you serious? You don't think people that forward these emails do so without having verified anything in them? Doesn't mean they're lying as much as they believe the stuff in them and don't care to check them for authenticity or accuracy before forwarding them on.

I honestly can't tell if you're joking.
He's joking.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

jojoinnit posted:

He's joking.

I know so many people who earnestly believe all this poo poo that I... I just don't know anymore. :psyduck:

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009

Zwabu posted:

I know so many people who earnestly believe all this poo poo that I... I just don't know anymore. :psyduck:

We're through the rabbit-hole, people.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

angrytech posted:

We're through the rabbit-hole, people.

It's Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: all the way.

MrNemo
Aug 26, 2010

"I just love beeting off"

tek79 posted:

I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid.

My favourite inclusion is that Obama was pulled off a golf game to be informed that his cabinet were sending troops into a nominally allied country without explicit authorisation or any permission. It's a brilliant, "Absentee president," exactly mirroring the poo poo about Clinton not bombing Bin Laden the first time because he was at a golf game (and makes no sense outside of that, since Obama doesn't seem to play golf much) followed by assuming that these high level personnel are so dedicated to killing Bin Laden they're willing to risk war with a nuclear power and necessary ally without the President's support.

It's just loving magical sky fairy stuff from someone who wants to tell a story about how Obama can't hold a position and wants to spend all his time playing golf and getting blowjobs from interns shooting hoops and drinking 40's. The best part is it's obviously from someone who's written/read lots of those chain emails about how 9/11 was Clinton's fault because he was unable to make any decisions about OBL. It's the exact same stuff just with the names switched round a bit.

XyloJW
Jul 23, 2007

MrNemo posted:

My favourite inclusion is that Obama was pulled off a golf game to be informed that his cabinet were sending troops into a nominally allied country without explicit authorisation or any permission. It's a brilliant, "Absentee president," exactly mirroring the poo poo about Clinton not bombing Bin Laden the first time because he was at a golf game (and makes no sense outside of that, since Obama doesn't seem to play golf much) followed by assuming that these high level personnel are so dedicated to killing Bin Laden they're willing to risk war with a nuclear power and necessary ally without the President's support.

It's just loving magical sky fairy stuff from someone who wants to tell a story about how Obama can't hold a position and wants to spend all his time playing golf and getting blowjobs from interns shooting hoops and drinking 40's. The best part is it's obviously from someone who's written/read lots of those chain emails about how 9/11 was Clinton's fault because he was unable to make any decisions about OBL. It's the exact same stuff just with the names switched round a bit.

Not disagreeing with you on the rest, but I'm pretty sure Obama plays a lot of golf. Like not in a conspiracy "lazy democrat!" way, but in that it's very well known he's a huge golfer.

Foyes36
Oct 23, 2005

Food fight!

XyloJW posted:

Not disagreeing with you on the rest, but I'm pretty sure Obama plays a lot of golf. Like not in a conspiracy "lazy democrat!" way, but in that it's very well known he's a huge golfer.

Yeah, if you read his autobiography, he talks about golfing with his grandpa. He still golfs quite a bit when he goes to Hawaii on vacation.

Come to think of it, who was the last president that DIDN'T play golf?

Strawman
Feb 9, 2008

Tortuga means turtle, and that's me. I take my time but I always win.


Pfirti86 posted:

Yeah, if you read his autobiography, he talks about golfing with his grandpa. He still golfs quite a bit when he goes to Hawaii on vacation.

Come to think of it, who was the last president that DIDN'T play golf?

FDR?

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻

Strawman posted:

FDR?

Wrong! Obama is the only president to ever play golf, as well as the only president to go on vacation, show interest in professional or college sports, make a gesture of respect to the king of Saudi Arabia, or hire special advisors nicknamed "czars."

Fitzdraco
Aug 4, 2007

Dr Christmas posted:

Wrong! Obama is the only president to ever play golf, as well as the only president to go on vacation, show interest in professional or college sports, make a gesture of respect to the king of Saudi Arabia, or hire special advisors nicknamed "czars."

He is also the only politician lazy enough to use the teleprompter.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻

Fitzdraco posted:

He is also the only politician lazy enough to use the teleprompter.

How could I forget this! He's also the first President whose First Lady championed a cause and the only person so cravenly un-American as to put MUSTARD on a burger :911:

Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 9, 2011

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

Dr Christmas posted:

...the only person so cravenly un-American as to put MUSTARD on a burger :911:

I read that and I thought, there's no way that could be serious... I mean, what the gently caress? And then I saw MUSTARD was linked. And I clicked. And holy poo poo, you weren't kidding.

The President actually did put mustard on a burger :(.



... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy.

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

New York
Ice Cream
TV
Travel
~Good Times~

Choadmaster posted:

... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy.

Ketchup was subjected to much worse right-wing lunacy.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Choadmaster posted:

... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy.

To be fair, ketchup on hot dogs is a terrible travesty towards tubed meats.

Also, I picked up this from a relative's facebook:

quote:

What America needs is a president who would do these things ...

1 - Hold all politicians to a TRUTH ACCOUNTABILITY (violators get 2 years in prison)
2 - Do away with the EPA and the DEPT. of EDUCATION
3 - Make sure homosexuals are NOT the preferred group in America any longer
4 - Start drilling everywhere we can for oil in America
5 - Make liberals an enemy of the state
6 - Make sure Christians can also worship freely once again
7 - Make it a crime for any level of govt. to act as free bookeepers for unions (they'd have to collect their dues theirself, not through payroll deduction) They'd lose 90% of their membership within 2 months.
8 - Secure the borders - using deadly military force if necessary
9 - Make the office of presidency a place of respect again instead of a den of fools

And then I would sit back and see America start to blossom again!


This person also told me America's culture was the best because it's "a melting pot". Then blocked me because I tried to explain that it wouldn't be a melting pot if everyone was only legally allowed to act one way :(

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

THE GAYEST POSTER posted:

To be fair, ketchup on hot dogs is a terrible travesty towards tubed meats.

Also, I picked up this from a relative's facebook:



This person also told me America's culture was the best because it's "a melting pot". Then blocked me because I tried to explain that it wouldn't be a melting pot if everyone was only legally allowed to act one way :(

Well you see you take a big rear end pot and in go all the 'undesirables'...

Branis
Apr 14, 2006
I've never understood the hatred towards the EPA and the Dept of Ed. Also when did it become a crime in america for christians to worship? I never got the memo.

Dr Snofeld
Apr 30, 2009

Branis posted:

I've never understood the hatred towards the EPA and the Dept of Ed. Also when did it become a crime in america for christians to worship? I never got the memo.

You did, but it was in Arabic.

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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Dr Snofeld posted:

You did, but it was in Arabic.

My favorite thing about the conservative hatred of Muslims is that they are actually working towards America being Iran.

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