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At least you've got a mother that has her head on straight. Your aunt is terrible. The elders in my family are all conservative. My grandpa was a rarity in that he did bootstrap his way to prosperity, so of course he voted straight republican his whole life and his kids all learned the same ideals. I feel like the lone beacon of sanity in my family.
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XyloJW posted:I thought about pointing out that Jesus is dead too, but the whole thing was so mindboggling stupid I thought being antagonistic would just make it worse. But yeah, that was particularly entertaining. "What do the followers of that guy know, he died thousands of years ago!" By arguing with her, you were basically just spoiling her right wing fun. The people who indulge these email/FB forwards really couldn't care less about facts and verification, they're just reaffirming prejudices and preconceived notions (Christianity good, government bad, black people bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad) and membership in the Fox Nation tribe. So her response of blocking you and reposting the thing without your inconvenient arguments is just the digital equivalent of sticking fingers in ears and going "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" and going back to rituals of affirming membership in the right wing clan.
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# ? May 6, 2011 19:57 |
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Zwabu posted:By arguing with her, you were basically just spoiling her right wing fun. The people who indulge these email/FB forwards really couldn't care less about facts and verification, they're just reaffirming prejudices and preconceived notions (Christianity good, government bad, black people bad, Republicans good, Democrats bad) and membership in the Fox Nation tribe. I've got this going on facebook right now about Obama being credited for the OBL kill. "Obama didn't kill OBL, soldiers did! And just weeks ago he was considering not paying them!" I responded by asking where she'd heard anyone suggest that Obama actually pulled the trigger and whether or not she was aware that it wasn't Obama holding up the soldier pay. "I'm entitled to my opinion! Everyone needs to back off!" Yeah, it isn't about debate or discussion.
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# ? May 7, 2011 02:10 |
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At least she agrees it's not a fact.
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# ? May 7, 2011 17:20 |
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Deuce posted:I've got this going on facebook right now about Obama being credited for the OBL kill. "Obama didn't kill OBL, soldiers did! And just weeks ago he was considering not paying them!" I responded by asking where she'd heard anyone suggest that Obama actually pulled the trigger and whether or not she was aware that it wasn't Obama holding up the soldier pay. One of my husband's facebook friends posted the same status about Obama not killing Osama and the troop pay thing. He posted in response on there saying that saying Obama didn't kill Osama in the same way Osama wasn't flying the planes on 9/11 and no matter what you think about Obama he deserves some of the credit for it (and he also addressed the troop pay thing as well). The person deleted his response, he reposted it a couple more time and it was deleted by the person each time. Finally, my husband was unfriended by the original poster. That actually made him feel pretty good-- the other guy was basically indicating he had no response for that and would rather delete him then deal with it.
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# ? May 7, 2011 17:50 |
quote:Note: This update comes some 24 hours after our At least they are high effort now!
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# ? May 7, 2011 18:42 |
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Vilerat posted:At least they are high effort now! I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason? Regardless, I can't wait to hear all about this at Mother's Day dinner with my conspiracy theorist in-laws.
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# ? May 7, 2011 19:42 |
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As a candidate Obama was adamant in the face of a lot of criticism that would would take action against AQ targets inside Pakistan even against Pakistani wishes. So Obama is actually one of the few guys around with the stones to order such a thing.
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# ? May 7, 2011 20:03 |
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Vilerat posted:At least they are high effort now! I like how nothing is attributed or even a website link is provided. Someone just made sat down and made that up all out of whole cloth to either troll or to justify their ideology. It's completely loving mental.
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# ? May 7, 2011 20:06 |
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tek79 posted:I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason? Someone in a high position would probably just get forced out, as with MacArthur.
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# ? May 7, 2011 20:06 |
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tek79 posted:I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason? The "Insider" stuff about the "coup" is completely unsourced from an anonymous blog.
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# ? May 7, 2011 20:07 |
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The narrative is totally manufactured from whole cloth. At both at a high level and in the details, it's completely contradicted by actual, sourced reporting on the days leading up to the operation.
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# ? May 7, 2011 21:02 |
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Brecht posted:The narrative is totally manufactured from whole cloth. At both at a high level and in the details, it's completely contradicted by actual, sourced reporting on the days leading up to the operation. Who you gonna believe, some anonymous right wing blogging conspiracy theorist, or your lying eyes?
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# ? May 7, 2011 21:11 |
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Zwabu posted:The "Insider" stuff about the "coup" is completely unsourced from an anonymous blog. I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid.
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# ? May 7, 2011 21:53 |
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tek79 posted:I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid. But they do it all the time in Hollywood, just like Jack Bauer and torturing terrorists
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# ? May 7, 2011 23:02 |
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Sorry to request but I know I saw it in this thread, but it's gotten so big. Does anyone have that "When X% of a country is Islam Y happens" email?
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# ? May 8, 2011 02:00 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:Sorry to request but I know I saw it in this thread, but it's gotten so big. Does anyone have that "When X% of a country is Islam Y happens" email? This is the one I think you're thinking of. This is related. This is unrelated, but happened to come up in my search and it's so goddamn out there I find it too funny not to bring up again: quote:Subject: CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?!
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# ? May 8, 2011 02:56 |
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Choadmaster posted:This is unrelated, but happened to come up in my search and it's so goddamn out there I find it too funny not to bring up again: I wish my school had done this, for real.
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# ? May 8, 2011 03:03 |
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crime fighting hog posted:I wish my school had done this, for real.
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# ? May 8, 2011 03:05 |
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It's also heavily exxagerated http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/islam.asp Also thanks for that email, I just thought about it the other day because I'm currently in Indonesia and wonder of wonders that email isn't actually true. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 8, 2011 |
# ? May 8, 2011 03:27 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:It's also heavily exxagerated Wait...are you suggesting that someone who sent me that, is lying? They're a close family friend and they forwarded that to me, honestly I'm more inclined to believe them. Gonna have to go with my gut here.
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# ? May 8, 2011 06:31 |
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nsaP posted:Wait...are you suggesting that someone who sent me that, is lying? They're a close family friend and they forwarded that to me, honestly I'm more inclined to believe them. Gonna have to go with my gut here. Are you serious? You don't think people that forward these emails do so without having verified anything in them? Doesn't mean they're lying as much as they believe the stuff in them and don't care to check them for authenticity or accuracy before forwarding them on. I honestly can't tell if you're joking.
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# ? May 8, 2011 06:54 |
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"Zwabu" posted:Are you serious? You don't think people that forward these emails do so without having verified anything in them? Doesn't mean they're lying as much as they believe the stuff in them and don't care to check them for authenticity or accuracy before forwarding them on.
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# ? May 8, 2011 06:58 |
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jojoinnit posted:He's joking. I know so many people who earnestly believe all this poo poo that I... I just don't know anymore.
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# ? May 8, 2011 07:11 |
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Zwabu posted:I know so many people who earnestly believe all this poo poo that I... I just don't know anymore. We're through the rabbit-hole, people.
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# ? May 8, 2011 07:43 |
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angrytech posted:We're through the rabbit-hole, people. It's Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: all the way.
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# ? May 8, 2011 07:46 |
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tek79 posted:I meant it more from the standpoint that it leads to even more implausibility/absurdity to consider that top brass would risk their careers and reputations by blatantly disobeying orders directly from their highest commander. The whole thing is just so loving stupid. My favourite inclusion is that Obama was pulled off a golf game to be informed that his cabinet were sending troops into a nominally allied country without explicit authorisation or any permission. It's a brilliant, "Absentee president," exactly mirroring the poo poo about Clinton not bombing Bin Laden the first time because he was at a golf game (and makes no sense outside of that, since Obama doesn't seem to play golf much) followed by assuming that these high level personnel are so dedicated to killing Bin Laden they're willing to risk war with a nuclear power and necessary ally without the President's support. It's just loving magical sky fairy stuff from someone who wants to tell a story about how Obama can't hold a position and wants to spend all his time
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MrNemo posted:My favourite inclusion is that Obama was pulled off a golf game to be informed that his cabinet were sending troops into a nominally allied country without explicit authorisation or any permission. It's a brilliant, "Absentee president," exactly mirroring the poo poo about Clinton not bombing Bin Laden the first time because he was at a golf game (and makes no sense outside of that, since Obama doesn't seem to play golf much) followed by assuming that these high level personnel are so dedicated to killing Bin Laden they're willing to risk war with a nuclear power and necessary ally without the President's support. Not disagreeing with you on the rest, but I'm pretty sure Obama plays a lot of golf. Like not in a conspiracy "lazy democrat!" way, but in that it's very well known he's a huge golfer.
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# ? May 8, 2011 20:40 |
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XyloJW posted:Not disagreeing with you on the rest, but I'm pretty sure Obama plays a lot of golf. Like not in a conspiracy "lazy democrat!" way, but in that it's very well known he's a huge golfer. Yeah, if you read his autobiography, he talks about golfing with his grandpa. He still golfs quite a bit when he goes to Hawaii on vacation. Come to think of it, who was the last president that DIDN'T play golf?
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# ? May 8, 2011 21:25 |
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Pfirti86 posted:Yeah, if you read his autobiography, he talks about golfing with his grandpa. He still golfs quite a bit when he goes to Hawaii on vacation. FDR?
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Strawman posted:FDR? Wrong! Obama is the only president to ever play golf, as well as the only president to go on vacation, show interest in professional or college sports, make a gesture of respect to the king of Saudi Arabia, or hire special advisors nicknamed "czars."
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Dr Christmas posted:Wrong! Obama is the only president to ever play golf, as well as the only president to go on vacation, show interest in professional or college sports, make a gesture of respect to the king of Saudi Arabia, or hire special advisors nicknamed "czars." He is also the only politician lazy enough to use the teleprompter.
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# ? May 9, 2011 00:21 |
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Fitzdraco posted:He is also the only politician lazy enough to use the teleprompter. How could I forget this! He's also the first President whose First Lady championed a cause and the only person so cravenly un-American as to put MUSTARD on a burger Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 9, 2011 |
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Dr Christmas posted:...the only person so cravenly un-American as to put MUSTARD on a burger I read that and I thought, there's no way that could be serious... I mean, what the gently caress? And then I saw MUSTARD was linked. And I clicked. And holy poo poo, you weren't kidding. The President actually did put mustard on a burger . ... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy.
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# ? May 9, 2011 02:20 |
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Choadmaster posted:... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy. Ketchup was subjected to much worse right-wing lunacy.
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# ? May 9, 2011 03:01 |
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Choadmaster posted:... Seriously though, wasn't ketchup evil for a while because of Teresa Heinz? Even condiments aren't safe from right-wing lunacy. To be fair, ketchup on hot dogs is a terrible travesty towards tubed meats. Also, I picked up this from a relative's facebook: quote:What America needs is a president who would do these things ... This person also told me America's culture was the best because it's "a melting pot". Then blocked me because I tried to explain that it wouldn't be a melting pot if everyone was only legally allowed to act one way
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# ? May 9, 2011 15:32 |
THE GAYEST POSTER posted:To be fair, ketchup on hot dogs is a terrible travesty towards tubed meats. Well you see you take a big rear end pot and in go all the 'undesirables'...
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# ? May 9, 2011 15:36 |
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I've never understood the hatred towards the EPA and the Dept of Ed. Also when did it become a crime in america for christians to worship? I never got the memo.
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# ? May 9, 2011 15:52 |
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Branis posted:I've never understood the hatred towards the EPA and the Dept of Ed. Also when did it become a crime in america for christians to worship? I never got the memo. You did, but it was in Arabic.
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# ? May 9, 2011 15:54 |
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Dr Snofeld posted:You did, but it was in Arabic. My favorite thing about the conservative hatred of Muslims is that they are actually working towards America being Iran.
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