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Unamuno posted:Welp, done with law school. 3 years and $120k later, I'm back to being a pro poker player. At least I don't have debts. Jesus, how many of you guys are there in law school?
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prussian advisor posted:Jesus, how many of you guys are there in law school? There were more than a few at my school with some even winning high value tournaments. Honestly law school is the best place to start a pro poker career. Loans and scholarships subsidize your living expenses while you play poker during class. That's a lot of hours to grind those tables online.
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I recently saw one of those "True Life" shows from a couple years ago on Mtv about gambling addiction, and one of the guys on there was applying to law school. My first thought was, "I wonder which lawgoon this is." Then I found out he got accepted to some lovely California school, and that thought quickly faded.
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May 12, 2011 18:59
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J Miracle posted:Welp I'm graduating tomorrow from a TTT. No job. Here's some of the things I did in case anybody was thinking "well if I go to a TTT I can just do REALLY well and still get a job." Where the hell do you live?
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May 12, 2011 19:01
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gvibes posted:Jesus dude. Are Federal district court clerkships out of the question? Applied to over 100 federal judges--zero interviews. There are a few magistrates and others that opened up after the initial crush of apps that are still open so I've got a faint glimmer of hope. Tried all the state Supremes, no dice, a lot of them kept their old clerks instead of hiring new because of the lovely job market. Court of Appeals Research Division turned me down for god knows why and that was the path to all appellate clerkships in the state. I've applied to various places out of state including Alaska but haven't heard anything yet. Also contacted every mid and big firm in Michigan and several in other areas, I'm about to start hitting the smaller places (that haven't posted, any ones with posted opens I've already hit). Also applied for non-legal state government jobs, jobs with the AG, etc. Got cut from PMF too. I'm not saying what happened to me will definitely happen to anyone else, but all I'm saying is even at the top of a TTT the margin is THIN, I mean maybe a couple interviews don't go that well and welp here we are EDIT: I'm not at Cooley
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May 12, 2011 19:02
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Angry Grimace posted:
I thought I was a special snowflake; turns out I WAS, that's what I'm saying even being a special snowflake is not necessarily enough.
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May 12, 2011 19:18
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Green Crayons posted:Journal competition was a time sink and tedious, but definitely not the Most Miserable Thing Ever. I felt bad for the people who were traveling right after their last final. I remember at the writing competition info session(s) they told us that we wouldn't need all of the time that they gave us to do the competition... I guess strictly speaking we didn't need all the time they gave us, but there wasn't very much slack at all. Spending a day flying/driving somewhere and another day unpacking and getting settled would've made it a good bit more stressful.
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May 12, 2011 19:28
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I moved and started my summer job two days after I finished finals. I started working on the writing competition thing at night, but quickly said gently caress that.
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May 12, 2011 19:30
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j miracle jesus christ
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May 12, 2011 19:34
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Petey posted:j miracle jesus christ Thinking of registering nojobsdiealone.com and just making it a clearinghouse for stories like this and hookars and linguica and the OP
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Petey posted:Thinking of registering nojobsdiealone.com and just making it a clearinghouse for stories like this and hookars and linguica and the OP L L S M . O R G
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May 12, 2011 19:36
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I'm married so I will not die alone but will probably die by murder-suicide
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May 12, 2011 19:46
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J Miracle posted:I'm married so I will not die alone but will probably die by murder-suicide Not to torment you anymore (I'm not in the legal field and your story made me sad for humanity), but can you post what school you went to or at least its approximate ranking according to the bastion of hard hitting school fact finding US News?
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May 12, 2011 20:27
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Michigan State University, currently ranked 95 on a move up from last year that technically puts it into the second tier, but really why split hairs at this point?
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May 12, 2011 20:33
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J Miracle posted:Welp I'm graduating tomorrow from a TTT. No job. Here's some of the things I did in case anybody was thinking "well if I go to a TTT I can just do REALLY well and still get a job." What have you done to locate job openings in your market? Have you attended bar events, had any informational interviews, volunteered with pro bono organizations, worked your professors for their contacts, etc? I believe that there must be a law firm in your state that would be happy to have you. What work have you done to locate a job besides look at job boards? edit: I am NOT trying to play "blame the victim" here, I am just trying to flesh out the facts. If you haven't done those things, get on it! If you have, and still no luck, I am so sorry that is awful 
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May 12, 2011 21:16
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J Miracle posted:Michigan State University, currently ranked 95 on a move up from last year that technically puts it into the second tier, but really why split hairs at this point?
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gvibes posted:Jesus dude. Are Federal district court clerkships out of the question? Competition for these has gone through the roof. I externed for two years with a federal judge for free while passing the bar/supporting myself, filling in when a clerk of his had some kidney thing happen to he/she/it and staying on afterwards to clean up the load before senior status kicked in for the Judge. During my time there he received over 1,000 applications from people qualified for the position when it opened up and before. The clerk he took? Already worked at a big law firm for a year, did not need the clerkship to help get hired. I almost cried when he made the decision, because I felt like I would never get a job ever with competition the way it is. (not even considering a clerkship). I love the clerk, it's just that the people applying are CRAZY qualified from the top schools and firms. This reads like hell, but it's stream of thought, I'm in the middle of a complaint, sorry.
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Penguins Like Pies posted:It was kind of a joke since I'm in the process of applying for articles right now and it's mostly the "big" firms that have posted aka the people who are able to figure out their budgets a year ahead of time or who care to participate in this process. No joke. If you can stomach living in Lloydminster, or Cold Lake, or Medicine Hat, you can earn 100K+ a year for doing gently caress all but playing golf and doing bullshit transactional, real estate, and family law poo poo as a solo jack of all trades practitioner. I know several guys my age that finished a couple years above me and have fallen into that niche and already have a house and a boat. I'd shoot myself in the dick before working in small town Alberta but hey if you've got your JD that's the kind of choices that you gotta make so
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J Miracle posted:Michigan State University, currently ranked 95 on a move up from last year that technically puts it into the second tier, but really why split hairs at this point? Not to poo poo on the downtrodden, but a lot of attorneys know the whole 'used to be Detroit School of Law and moved up a tier just because of the name change' thing. But to boost you a bit, our office did hire an MSU grad last year.
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I have never actually met a lawyer who graduated from DCL. I've met like a dozen who graduated from Wayne State. No idea why.
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entris posted:What have you done to locate job openings in your market? Have you attended bar events, had any informational interviews, volunteered with pro bono organizations, worked your professors for their contacts, etc? I believe that there must be a law firm in your state that would be happy to have you. What work have you done to locate a job besides look at job boards? While still being in school I have done the best I can to network and pick the brains of the lawyers I meet, and have informational interviewed a few of them, I volunteered with the Ingham County Bar Association and helped them set up events for people in the community, I've attended bar association events, and had professors recommend me from everything to their old firm to the FDA (published a food & drug law paper in the national f&d journal so I figured it was worth a shot). I also literally apply for positions daily. I think I'll get something eventually, but a lot of places are just not that interested in hiring someone pre-bar-pass right now it seems. It's disheartening but it could be worse, I mean at least I GET interviews sometimes. There are people at my school with 3.5s, book awards, on journals, etc that haven't had an interview since interviewing for externships 1L year.
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May 12, 2011 22:32
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J Miracle posted:Michigan State University, currently ranked 95 on a move up from last year that technically puts it into the second tier, but really why split hairs at this point? I have a friend that's going to MSU next year. Any advice for him!
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JudicialRestraints posted:I have a friend that's going to MSU next year. Any advice for him! Seriously my advice is don't go. Even if you have a full ride, unless you have living situation support from parents and friends. Even borrowing money for living expenses is too much to spend on MSU. If he goes, try to do a federal externship that's the biggest regret I have not doing, they usually have some federal judges from grand rapids that hire externs, commuting sucks and you can't work anywhere but it's probably pretty valuable experience. Also take McKeague's fed jur class and suck up to him hard.
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Direwolf posted:I am a 1L (now 2L I guess, jesus that's fast) at Northwestern and I enjoy the company of all of my sectionmates and most of my classmates and I get kind of crappy grades and I really like law school and I am happy with my summer job and I am excited to be a lawyer Any recommendations about where I should live? SAM has been telling me to just do McClurg. So I'm leaning toward getting a studio there.
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evilweasel posted:L L S M . O R G I mean that's what this thread is now except less marxoteen and more tacos.
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Anyone know how to use "nunc pro tunc" in a motion/order title? Is it order nunc or nunc pro tunc order? The issue is that I'm attempting to invoke my state's version of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure Rule 36 regarding clerical errors. Basically the problem is that, after a probation revocation proceeding, a judgment and sentence signed by the judge removed a statutory deferred prosecution probation and instated normal probation under the same terms. The problem itself is simply one sentence in the J&S that was not supposed to be there. I need to have the J&S say that the deferral is still in place. However, I actually need the deferred proceedings to be still in place, and the plea of guilty (that was entered pursuant to the deferral being removed) to be withdrawn. Would a nunc pro tunc motion (or motion invoking Rule 36) accomplish all this or will I need to file further motions withdrawing the guilty plea and reinstating the deferral? If I wrote gibberish, just let me know. Edit: In open court the deferral was left in place, it's just that the written order is in error. Torpor fucked around with this message at 01:14 on May 13, 2011 |
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MoFauxHawk posted:Any recommendations about where I should live? SAM has been telling me to just do McClurg. So I'm leaning toward getting a studio there. If you can afford McClurg go for it, it's a super super nice building and a ton of law students live there, and it's right next to the school. I live farther away mainly due to the expense, though, and there are a ton of residential options available - your Upass means that you can pretty much live anywhere, including Evanston if you really want to. Just keep in mind that studios at McClurg can cost up to 3x what living in Lincoln Park costs, but the amenities + location there is pretty much the best you can get.
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Torpor posted:Anyone know how to use "nunc pro tunc" in a motion/order? Is it order nunc or nunc pro tunc order? Stip and order to correct the J & S? If the prosecutor agrees it was a legit typo he can just counter-sign an order and the judge can order it corrected, just do a stip, order, and corrected J&S and turn it all in. If you have the transcript that shows the mistake it should be possible unless the other side is a bunch of dicks.
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J Miracle posted:Stip and order to correct the J & S? If the prosecutor agrees it was a legit typo he can just counter-sign an order and the judge can order it corrected, just do a stip, order, and corrected J&S and turn it all in. If you have the transcript that shows the mistake it should be possible unless the other side is a bunch of dicks. Yeah, other side said it was probably a mistake, but is going to check the record also just to be safe. Your solution looks elegant, but I'd like to fit "nunc pro tunc" into a motion somehow if it is actually applicable it'll make the fact that I'm wasting my life trying to practice law a little more tolerable. Torpor fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 13, 2011 |
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gvibes posted:I have never actually met a lawyer who graduated from DCL. I've met like a dozen who graduated from Wayne State. No idea why. My judge graduated from DCL. He gets sort of tight-lipped when the "MSU College of Law" comes up, because apparently the alumni were told they'd retain the DCL name.
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Torpor posted:Anyone know how to use "nunc pro tunc" in a motion/order title? Is it order nunc or nunc pro tunc order? I've seen both "nunc pro tunc order" and "order nunc pro tunc." Immediate Googling turns up both. My copy of Black's uses it as "nunc pro tunc order."
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Lancelot posted:Which firm?
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Alaemon posted:My judge graduated from DCL. He gets sort of tight-lipped when the "MSU College of Law" comes up, because apparently the alumni were told they'd retain the DCL name. They did for a couple of years, I think. They're better off as being MSU College of Law, honestly. Being associated with a Big Ten school is almost certainly better than being DCL.
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MaximumBob posted:They did for a couple of years, I think. They're better off as being MSU College of Law, honestly. Being associated with a Big Ten school is almost certainly better than being DCL. It hasn't really helped us
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hypocrite lecteur posted:"Big" firm is relative in Edmonton. It's true the market isn't bad in Alberta though from what I've heard Hey, we have like 80 lawyers 
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Alaemon posted:I've seen both "nunc pro tunc order" and "order nunc pro tunc." nunc pro oval office
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Criminal Procedure is like the Melian Dialogue of law: the cops do what they will and the brown do what they must.
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Rejected yet again  Third time in recent months it was down to two candidates and they went with the other guy.
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I graduated bottom of my class from MSU in 2007. I now do non-legal governmental work in Nebraska. Even the top of my class were hanging out their own shingles. No (legal) jobs, die alone.
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Working in a small firm is EXCRUCIATING at times. Why? You get the added knowledge of things like why something is an emergency. Eg.: Got a file sent from a big client on Thursday. My plate is always full. Always. My boss is out of town. I read him the correspondence. EXPEDITE is written all over it. Maybe 4 times. me last night: Do you want me to do anything for this? I can do the review while I am the hearing tomorrow. Him: NO Me: are you sure? Him: gets angry at me for questioning him. Today We get a call from the client, and the secretary forwards him the notice of the call. I receive an IMMEDIATE call from him telling me to go nuts working on this thing. It's 9:45. I take the train downtown. There's a train wreck today. trains are cancelled as I walk into the train station. I cab it to the blue line and get the secretary/assistant/whathaveyou to come pick me up. She gets lost for an hour. FML Friday the 13th, UGH. I wish I wasn't involved in intake of any documents or was insulated from them so I wouldn't be all ragey because I could've been doing this work for HOURS before and have to cram it into 2 hours.
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