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AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope
They used to have a few months out west a bit but it's all at FSI now. It's a lot better that way. No need to rent a car, better per diem, and the Arlington area just has more stuff.

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asuran
Apr 21, 2011

AKA Pseudonym posted:

They used to have a few months out west a bit but it's all at FSI now. It's a lot better that way. No need to rent a car, better per diem, and the Arlington area just has more stuff.

Whew! I was about to crap myself over the possible drive everyday. Thanks for the info.

BTW, do most people stay at Oakwood? I am debating between Oakwood Clarendon, Crystal City, and Falls Church. Any advice on choosing between the three?

HOORAY
Jul 13, 2001

Skandiaavity posted:

Did they tell you to stop any proceeding on the OA? When I passed my OA, BEX told me not to go any further with any other generalist OA's for the time being in order to prevent confusion.

At any rate, if you do go, Good Luck! (and congrats on passing your OMS OA)

Thanks! No, in fact the DSS who processed my SF-86 and fingerprints wished me luck with my next OA. I also happened to come upon this exchange on the official State careers message board while looking for registry information (http://careers.state.gov/engage/forums/careers-state-gov/clearances-transfering-from-fss-to-fso-).


Caitlin posted:

Okay, I'm back with a follow-up question:
I'm quite confused about the definition of the word "candidacy." I had believed that it meant as soon as someone accepted a job offer (say as an FSS), that *wherever* they were in the process of another application (say FSO) - that application would be voided. However, I've now had a handful of knowledgeable folks, including one from HR, try to explain to me that is not quite the case, and that one can be an active FSS and also go to the FSO OA.
I need to make some important decisions as I've been invited to an FSS orientation, yet also have an FSO OA date scheduled that I thought I would have to cancel. I'd love either opportunity, but I just don't want to waste the FSO possibility.
Any words of clarification regarding at which point - exactly - one's candidacy is terminated, and at what point in time does one really have a "candidacy"? At FSOT application? At OA invite? At acceptance on the register?
Thank you SO much for any help,

A State Message Board Moderator posted:

As soon as you accept an offer of employment in the Foreign Service, regardless of which career track or as a specialist, all other candidacies on the Register of Cleared Candidates are cancelled as is an Oral Assessment. Please keep in mind that there is no guarantee you will pass the OA or that your score will be high enough to earn you an offer of employment as an FSO. Our hiring numbers are falling due to our decreased budget. If you do wish to join the Foreign Service, the offer to join as a specialist is a sure thing, whereas joining as a generalist is not.

followed by this:

Caitlin posted:

Okay, it's me again.
I need some crystal-clear clarification because I'm still getting different understandings of my situation.
I am all tucked-in and ready to go to orientation for a specialist position. I'm starting March 14. My specialty has the shortest training time of any of them and little language training. It is conceivable that I will be at post by May.
However, I have rescheduled my FSO-OA to delay it the longest time allowable and it is now set for mid-June in Chicago.
Will my OA invitation be rescinded based on the fact that I have accepted a job offer as a specialist? This is what I need clarification on. The last message posted seemed to indicate that it would be cancelled (the OA) by the fact that I've accepted another position, but others have told me that this can't be right.
Please help clarify so that I don't waste time and mental energy in preparing for an FSO OA needlessly.
Thank you!


The Same State Message Board Moderator posted:

Caitlin,
I'm sorry it has taken so long to get back to you. I wanted to make sure you received the correct answer. You may take the Oral Assessment as scheduled. Thank you

Cryptic? Dunno, but I plan on going to the FSO OA since I don't have poo poo else to do. Plus I have yet to receive anything other than the conditional offer. v:shobon:v

HOORAY fucked around with this message at 23:15 on May 13, 2011

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Funny, that's almost exactly what they told me re: conditional offer (that the other OA is now cancelled out). Guess HR is even contradictory at times. Oh well, best of luck!

(edit: and I think Caitlin answered her own question, if she accepted the specialist job (especially given a May post, means she's probably talking about the formal offer?), then she would have to MUSTANG over?)


Also: I think I passed my medical clearance, doc told me thumbs up, pretty much. But I have not heard anything other than that. :toot:



Asuran: oakwoods falls church is pretty nice, it has a shuttle to east falls church metro (orange line). but you'd probably want a car if you lived there. Falls Church/Vienna is pretty spaced out. If you have a car, go for it, there's a ton of good restaurants, malls, etc in the area.

asuran
Apr 21, 2011
Thanks Skandiaavity!

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
fair warning, I haven't lived in any of them, just going by location. Clarendon's also a good spot and likely closest to the FSI campus. Dunno about Crystal City but I presume it's closest to D.C./near pentagon city.

AKA Pseudonym
May 16, 2004

A dashing and sophisticated young man
Doctor Rope

asuran posted:

Whew! I was about to crap myself over the possible drive everyday. Thanks for the info.

BTW, do most people stay at Oakwood? I am debating between Oakwood Clarendon, Crystal City, and Falls Church. Any advice on choosing between the three?

I know the areas but not really the Oakwood places themselves. I'd go with Clarendon myself (I think that's the one in the Rosslyn neighborhood, that's where I always stay). It's well located near lots of cool stuff and the shuttle to FSI is close by. I'm not sure which Oakwoods have their own shuttles though, if any.

Falls Church is further out than I like to be but a good option if you have family. Crystal City is sort of the same deal I guess but probably closer to the Metro.

I like to stay at Mariott and build up reward points, but that means I'm out of pocket until I turn in my voucher. So whatever floats your boat.

asuran
Apr 21, 2011
Thanks! No family here. Guess I will go with whatever is available at either Rosslyn or Crystal City.

Skandiaavity, did they schedule a security interview for you yet? We may be heading towards the same orientation.

1of7
Jan 30, 2011

asuran posted:

Quick question: Does IMS training occur at FSI? I have heard something about training at another location.

The info on this page matches the schedule I was given (all but 1 week @ FSI)

http://careers.state.gov/engage/forums/information-management-specialists/falls-church-to-warrenton

asuran posted:

Whew! I was about to crap myself over the possible drive everyday. Thanks for the info.

BTW, do most people stay at Oakwood? I am debating between Oakwood Clarendon, Crystal City, and Falls Church. Any advice on choosing between the three?

Most non-local hires seem to live in an Oakwood. They pretty much all have a shuttle I believe. I live in Ballston which is the closest to FSI and has quite a few restaurants, a mall, and the metro all within a block or 2.

I think I've seen shuttles leaving FSI heading to Falls Church, Ballston, Courthouse, Virginia Square, Rosslyn, & Crystal City.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Falls Church is terrible. Unless you have kids, and want to be in a family environment, and can deal with being away from anything else fun.

Crystal City Oakwood is OK. It's near the mall, the building is decent (it's a midrise -- maybe 20 something floors?), compared to FC which is a lowrise. It's near Pentagon City mall, and actually is fairly convenient to Pentagon City shopping, moreso than I think it really is for Crystal City shopping. (For reference, the Crystal City shopping area is centered around 23rd St and US-1; Oakwood is up around 17th St. and Eads, further north.) It's easy access to FSI (Glebe road takes you almost all the way up to the main entrance) but it's kind of isolated. There's not a whole lot to do without leaving the area, and EVERYTHING closes early except a few restaurants. Traffic in that area gets awful as it is a confluence for traffic involving the Pentagon, US-1 (14th St. Bridge), 395, GW Parkway, DCA, etc.

Clarendon has a much nicer nightlife, traffic is still bad but not as bad as near Crystal City, more things to do, etc. You won't really regret it at all.

I'd rank them best to worst, Clarendon, CC, FC. As far as I know you can substitute the Oakwoods in Clarendon/Courthouse/Ballston for each other as they're apparently quite similar.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
Also who do I need to update in the OP?

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Nah, I haven't heard about an interview yet but they did call to follow up on something. It'll be cool to have the same orientation!

asuran
Apr 21, 2011
Thanks Diplomaticus. Makes the decision easier.

Hope so Skandiaavity!

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.
What a week.

Saw mountain gorillas in the wild including 2 month old twins... At 10 feet distance.

Participated on a fullbright review board/ interview and hopefully (budget) gave 5 masters to host country nationals at US universities.

Gave a speech on behalf of the Embassy in front of 75 people including a district governor.
In the translation to the local language I was referred to as Ambassador of the US Embassy, but our actual Ambassador didn't care, and just wanted a business card I picked up.

Now to get tenured for Mustang.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester

TCD posted:

What a week.

Saw mountain gorillas in the wild including 2 month old twins... At 10 feet distance.

Participated on a fullbright review board/ interview and hopefully (budget) gave 5 masters to host country nationals at US universities.

Gave a speech on behalf of the Embassy in front of 75 people including a district governor.
In the translation to the local language I was referred to as Ambassador of the US Embassy, but our actual Ambassador didn't care, and just wanted a business card I picked up.

Now to get tenured for Mustang.

Holy poo poo. You got that close to gorillas? I'd be terrified of coming anywhere near babies.

Also congrats on going Mustang!

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Diplomaticus posted:

Also who do I need to update in the OP?

You can list me as QEP Process if you want though they are about to announce within a week or two (by no later than end of May) who in the February FSOT group will advance to the FSOA so you'll be needing to update the OP again shortly anyways.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Ditto. You got that close to Gorillas? Including babies? When you're in D.C. i'm buying you beers for that story.

Footitch
Jul 21, 2004
Oops! Oops! Oops!
I stayed at Oakwood Falls Church. It is next to a gym which is great but the neighborhood has nothing in it except lots of Vietnamese restaurants and gridlock traffic. It's a mile from the nearest metro stop and Oakwood runs a shuttle there. I did not have a car when I went through so I was not in love with the location and would have preferred Ballston, which is a little more lively and pedestrian-friendly. You can get a shuttle to FSI no matter which one you are at so I wouldn't make that a major consideration if you have a choice.

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

Footitch posted:

I stayed at Oakwood Falls Church. It is next to a gym which is great but the neighborhood has nothing in it except lots of Vietnamese restaurants and gridlock traffic. It's a mile from the nearest metro stop and Oakwood runs a shuttle there. I did not have a car when I went through so I was not in love with the location and would have preferred Ballston, which is a little more lively and pedestrian-friendly. You can get a shuttle to FSI no matter which one you are at so I wouldn't make that a major consideration if you have a choice.

Falls church has a restaurant called "Pho Sizzle" .

Homie S
Aug 6, 2001

This is what it means

Footitch posted:

I stayed at Oakwood Falls Church. It is next to a gym which is great but the neighborhood has nothing in it except lots of Vietnamese restaurants and gridlock traffic. It's a mile from the nearest metro stop and Oakwood runs a shuttle there. I did not have a car when I went through so I was not in love with the location and would have preferred Ballston, which is a little more lively and pedestrian-friendly. You can get a shuttle to FSI no matter which one you are at so I wouldn't make that a major consideration if you have a choice.

Isnt there a Chipotle near the grocery store there? I mean I actually cooked most of my food when I stayed at falls church but I remember a Chipotle over there as well as another sit down restaurant. It could be worse.

tismondo
Dec 14, 2005

Take that, subspace!

Footitch posted:

the neighborhood has nothing in it except lots of Vietnamese restaurants and gridlock traffic.
I don't have a car so the gridlock traffic means nothing to me, but I feel like living a short walk from Eden center would be heaven. mmmmmmm....

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010

Footitch posted:

I stayed at Oakwood Falls Church. It is next to a gym which is great but the neighborhood has nothing in it except lots of Vietnamese restaurants and gridlock traffic. It's a mile from the nearest metro stop and Oakwood runs a shuttle there. I did not have a car when I went through so I was not in love with the location and would have preferred Ballston, which is a little more lively and pedestrian-friendly. You can get a shuttle to FSI no matter which one you are at so I wouldn't make that a major consideration if you have a choice.

Stayed at Oakwood FC while in training.

If lots of kids dont bother you ... imagine yelling and laughter ... then FC is nice. While there are not a lot of restaurants and bars in the area, the ability to to go for a walk and get away for the traffic and people was very nice.

FC has a shuttle in evenings to get to the Metro station, so getting to any part of the DC metro area is fairly simple.

Disclaimer ... I did have a vehicle ... that does make a difference at FC.

Slingshot Smith
Jul 1, 2010

TCD posted:

What a week.

Saw mountain gorillas in the wild including 2 month old twins... At 10 feet distance.

Participated on a fullbright review board/ interview and hopefully (budget) gave 5 masters to host country nationals at US universities.

Gave a speech on behalf of the Embassy in front of 75 people including a district governor.
In the translation to the local language I was referred to as Ambassador of the US Embassy, but our actual Ambassador didn't care, and just wanted a business card I picked up.

Now to get tenured for Mustang.

Did mountain gorillas in Rwanda prior to joining the FS. TCD's description is the same as my experience. It is amazing to be so close to huge but gentle animals.

Hope to go back and do it again some day!

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006
Invites to FSOA went out today. I'm going through the process again next year it seems. Ah well, I was having second thoughts about having picked consular over political and this will give me a chance to build up proficiency in a super critical needs language or something. Was already starting to work on Mandarin so there is that I guess.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
How much does critical-needs language ability pigeonhole an FSO? I was once functional in Arabic, but am not particularly interested in living in the Middle East.

Dameius
Apr 3, 2006

Macunaima posted:

How much does critical-needs language ability pigeonhole an FSO? I was once functional in Arabic, but am not particularly interested in living in the Middle East.

If you accept points for a super critical needs language during the hiring process you have to serve at least two tours in a country that uses that language. Once I believe pre-tenure and once mid-career or so. I don't think you get any points for critical needs languages or (for sure) below.

tismondo
Dec 14, 2005

Take that, subspace!
Also didn't pass QEP. It was my first time and I fully expected to fail - it's good to have the experience (though I really wish I had gotten some OA experience to go with it)

Ah well, I definitely learned some things that will help me improve my chances for next year.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Asuran, I think we just may be heading into the same class!

asuran
Apr 21, 2011

Skandiaavity posted:

Asuran, I think we just may be heading into the same class!

Nice! Mine took place a week after my OA. Have you lived abroad? That may be the only thing that takes a bit of time for verification.

Skandiaavity
Apr 20, 2005
Yeah, mine was about a month after my OA. Mine's later this week, but it's gonna be a little awkward as I've not yet broken it to my boss. Who just left out of town for a week. I know, gonna have to bite the bullet.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.
Iraq.

Been there, done that.

I'm glad that's over!

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Business of Ferrets posted:

Iraq.

Been there, done that.

I'm glad that's over!

Stuck in the Green Zone?

Vilerat
May 11, 2002

Business of Ferrets posted:

Iraq.

Been there, done that.

I'm glad that's over!

Never again! Still miss the food.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011
C'mon, don't be so taciturn. I'd love to hear what it was like working in Baghdad.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Business of Ferrets posted:

Iraq.

Been there, done that.

I'm glad that's over!
What's your onward?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Macunaima posted:

C'mon, don't be so taciturn. I'd love to hear what it was like working in Baghdad.

Apparently the food is good.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
I've heard they serve Soylent Green in the 'zone

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
I followed this thread for a long while but admittedly skipped a dew hundred posts so forgive me if this has been addressed.

When an FSO is married, and the spouse has a career in the States that allows frequent sabbaticals and lots of time off--think university faculty--how are living arrangements sorted out? Like say the spouse plans to spend six months out of the year stateside and six at whatever post (probably more if it's a nice post).

Is this possible? Does DoS treat this couple the same as a married couple that is 100% deployed? Seems there are lots of couples, especially at the higher levels, where both are professionals.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester
I'll defer that one to someone who knows better.

In other news, don't get pumped full of vaccinations and immunizations the day after you've called in sick. I am the walking dead right now. I have no idea how I made it through my demarche exercise today.

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pamchenko
Apr 16, 2011

Phil Moscowitz posted:

I followed this thread for a long while but admittedly skipped a dew hundred posts so forgive me if this has been addressed.

When an FSO is married, and the spouse has a career in the States that allows frequent sabbaticals and lots of time off--think university faculty--how are living arrangements sorted out? Like say the spouse plans to spend six months out of the year stateside and six at whatever post (probably more if it's a nice post).

Is this possible? Does DoS treat this couple the same as a married couple that is 100% deployed? Seems there are lots of couples, especially at the higher levels, where both are professionals.

My understanding is that this would be treated like a couple who is 100% deployed. To simplify the process of her coming out and living with you even 6 months out of the year, you'd want her on your travel orders, and my understanding is that anyone who's on your travel orders is presumed to be living with you, at least for housing placement purposes. I think people might run into this kind of thing not only with spouses, but also with, say, high school age children who are in boarding school but spend vacations and holidays with their deployed parents.

I'm kind of talking out my rear end because I'm single, so definitely anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

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