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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

NOG posted:

First of all where do you live? The United States? East coast? Maybe Guitar Center then.

edit: Or, if you still live in Michigan:
Guitar Center Detroit
31940 Gratiot Ave. Suite A
Roseville, Michigan 48066

and other locations: http://gc.guitarcenter.com/locations/cities.cfm?state=Michigan

Yeah, I went to a Guitar Center, it was alright.

So I had my eyes on the Akai MPK88. I wanted a 88 key piano type keyboard, but with all the controls that would help me use the DAW to make music. Looking online, it seemed to be the best fit for me in my price range (and the fire sale on them on Amazon also was attractive)

I go out, thinking the visit to guitar center would be a formality. But I get there and the key action on the mpk88 was just rear end. The hammers were crazy heavy and the keys were really light - a pretty bad combo for me. I wander around and try stuff out, of course all the > $2000 keys were like music sex, but...

So I found this Yamaha, a decent price, the P95B. The key action is much nicer, and it has a MIDI In/Out. What I am thinking, is to get this for sure, then use some other equipment to do the instrumentation stuff. If I run this keyboard into a DAW, and then some other controller, I can control a VST with the controller, and play with the keyboard?

For the controller, I'm thinking of getting an Akai MPK49, but would a MPD do just as fine? If I get a MPD it would just be like I built my own MPK88 sort of kinda?

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OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

The Next Step in DAWs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqxUzhDIdqo

Quincy Smallvoice
Mar 18, 2006

Bitches leave

Uncle Jam posted:

Yeah, I went to a Guitar Center, it was alright.

So I had my eyes on the Akai MPK88. I wanted a 88 key piano type keyboard, but with all the controls that would help me use the DAW to make music. Looking online, it seemed to be the best fit for me in my price range (and the fire sale on them on Amazon also was attractive)

I go out, thinking the visit to guitar center would be a formality. But I get there and the key action on the mpk88 was just rear end. The hammers were crazy heavy and the keys were really light - a pretty bad combo for me. I wander around and try stuff out, of course all the > $2000 keys were like music sex, but...

So I found this Yamaha, a decent price, the P95B. The key action is much nicer, and it has a MIDI In/Out. What I am thinking, is to get this for sure, then use some other equipment to do the instrumentation stuff. If I run this keyboard into a DAW, and then some other controller, I can control a VST with the controller, and play with the keyboard?

For the controller, I'm thinking of getting an Akai MPK49, but would a MPD do just as fine? If I get a MPD it would just be like I built my own MPK88 sort of kinda?

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KX8/

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




Uncle Jam posted:

Yeah, I went to a Guitar Center, it was alright.

So I had my eyes on the Akai MPK88. I wanted a 88 key piano type keyboard, but with all the controls that would help me use the DAW to make music. Looking online, it seemed to be the best fit for me in my price range (and the fire sale on them on Amazon also was attractive)

I go out, thinking the visit to guitar center would be a formality. But I get there and the key action on the mpk88 was just rear end. The hammers were crazy heavy and the keys were really light - a pretty bad combo for me. I wander around and try stuff out, of course all the > $2000 keys were like music sex, but...

So I found this Yamaha, a decent price, the P95B. The key action is much nicer, and it has a MIDI In/Out. What I am thinking, is to get this for sure, then use some other equipment to do the instrumentation stuff. If I run this keyboard into a DAW, and then some other controller, I can control a VST with the controller, and play with the keyboard?

For the controller, I'm thinking of getting an Akai MPK49, but would a MPD do just as fine? If I get a MPD it would just be like I built my own MPK88 sort of kinda?


It wouldn't be exactly the same, but a pretty good (and more portable if you don't wanna move the keys) setup. What non-key controls would you be after? There's stuff like this: http://www.amazon.com/Akai-Pro-LPD8-Laptop-Controller/dp/B002M8EEW8 which is dirt cheap and would sit on top of the Yamaha pretty well.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect

dolphins are gay posted:

It wouldn't be exactly the same, but a pretty good (and more portable if you don't wanna move the keys) setup. What non-key controls would you be after? There's stuff like this: http://www.amazon.com/Akai-Pro-LPD8-Laptop-Controller/dp/B002M8EEW8 which is dirt cheap and would sit on top of the Yamaha pretty well.

Yeah, I looked at that for sure. I ended up getting a m-audio oxygen 61. If I feel like I need pads I can hookup that Akai but since I currently have no preference they might be overkill. This way I can still get more keys with my knob but its still cheap enough to invest the rest of my budget into a DAW.

thewaablah
Sep 8, 2004

Stay down bitch
Added a video for my latest edit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dceABeI-x4Q

E1M5
Feb 6, 2007
Does anybody know how the effect on the bass is being done in this video? It looks like he's automating the pitch to bend downwards, but I'm not 100% sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1fsg6NxUw

Chitin
Apr 29, 2007

It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

E1M5 posted:

Does anybody know how the effect on the bass is being done in this video? It looks like he's automating the pitch to bend downwards, but I'm not 100% sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1fsg6NxUw

Yeah, easiest way to do this would be to automate the pitchwheel...

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

I'm finally venturing into the world of plug-Ins, would you guys recommend Komplete as my first purchase?

bog savant
Mar 15, 2008

unending immaturity

dolphins are gay posted:

It wouldn't be exactly the same, but a pretty good (and more portable if you don't wanna move the keys) setup. What non-key controls would you be after? There's stuff like this: http://www.amazon.com/Akai-Pro-LPD8-Laptop-Controller/dp/B002M8EEW8 which is dirt cheap and would sit on top of the Yamaha pretty well.

To anyone thinking about it, don't get the LPD8, yeah you get what you pay for yadda yada but mine fell apart after one show and I wasn't rough with it AT ALL.

beeps-a-palooza
Jan 2, 2009

by T. Finn

OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:

I'm finally venturing into the world of plug-Ins

effects or instruments? there are a lot of great free vst/vsti plugins at kvr

OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

beeps-a-palooza posted:

effects or instruments? there are a lot of great free vst/vsti plugins at kvr

Either, I've just heard that Komplete is the best bang for your buck and I've wanted to get Massive for awhile. I also like NI's Razor plug-in, and iZotopes Stutter edit.

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!

Volvagia posted:

To anyone thinking about it, don't get the LPD8, yeah you get what you pay for yadda yada but mine fell apart after one show and I wasn't rough with it AT ALL.

Really? I've played two shows with the LPD8 so far and I've thrown it around a little, but the thing is built like a brick. Maybe you got a defective copy? I don't know about you but to me this thing seems pretty high quality for the price you pay.

Teikanmi
Dec 16, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Massive is dollar for dollar the best synth program. Great program. For free stuff, I also like Synth1.

Pie in the Sky
Apr 16, 2009

whoops here we go again



Gibberish posted:

Try and guess which song this track rips off?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq5l85N7-fc

Loving your stuff dude! Amazing work, KEEP IT UP! :)

Chitin
Apr 29, 2007

It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Cameron posted:

Massive is dollar for dollar the best synth program. Great program. For free stuff, I also like Synth1.

I use Synth1 and Superwaves P8 all. the. time.

Also TAL's Noizemaker but that one's super crunchy. Edit: and slightly buggy.

Shes In Parties
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialism is a manifestation of state terrorism.
Massive's good. I'm finding Synapse Audio DUNE, which I bought about three months ago, to be an excellent V/A synth since my Virus stopped working. It's got a similar character to it.

E1M5
Feb 6, 2007
Massive is worth it.

Komplete is worth it (and overkill, but for the money you spend I'd consider that a good thing).

Just please don't buy Komplete Elements.

Dicky B
Mar 23, 2004

Here's something new.

http://soundcloud.com/colugo/dont-touch-me-with-your

It's taken me ~8 years of doing this as a hobby but I think I'm finally happy enough with the quality of my stuff to start sending out demos to some labels. Not that I'm particularly interested in making money from my music, it would just be nice for it to reach more people. I don't really know which labels my style fits into though.

Computer Jones
Jun 22, 2005

Dicky B posted:

Here's something new.

http://soundcloud.com/colugo/dont-touch-me-with-your

It's taken me ~8 years of doing this as a hobby but I think I'm finally happy enough with the quality of my stuff to start sending out demos to some labels. Not that I'm particularly interested in making money from my music, it would just be nice for it to reach more people. I don't really know which labels my style fits into though.

This is pretty great. I'm not sure which labels you'd fit on, either. You're sort of in your own little genre :)

bog savant
Mar 15, 2008

unending immaturity

The Dark Wind posted:

Really? I've played two shows with the LPD8 so far and I've thrown it around a little, but the thing is built like a brick. Maybe you got a defective copy? I don't know about you but to me this thing seems pretty high quality for the price you pay.

Weird, maybe I just got a bad one.

Militant Lesbian
Oct 3, 2002

Dicky B posted:

I don't really know which labels my style fits into though.

Sounds pretty similar to most chiptune stuff. Look for labels that primarily have chiptune artists on them.

hooptyjr
Dec 22, 2010

The future is in the past!
What is the best way to accurately and smoothly automate in Reason?


My specific issue being with the LFO rate when making dubstep basses. I'm tired of whole note basslines, simply changing the rate note to note using Thor's step sequencer. Also, it sounds hosed up (in a bad way) when changing rates mid-note, but I hear tons of dubstep tunes that do just that.

I also need a good resource on programming synthesizers in general. What I want to be a sharp lead inevitably turns into an ear-piercing squeal and what I want to be a filthy bass becomes a mash of fuzzy groans. Anything that comes out somewhat "clean" sounds too "80s Casio".

hooptyjr fucked around with this message at 15:37 on May 16, 2011

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

hooptyjr posted:

What is the best way to accurately and smoothly automate in Reason?


My specific issue being with the LFO rate when making dubstep basses. I'm tired of whole note basslines, simply changing the rate note to note using Thor's step sequencer. Also, it sounds hosed up (in a bad way) when changing rates mid-note, but I hear tons of dubstep tunes that do just that.

And in general, I need a good resource on programming synthesizers in general. What I want to be a sharp lead inevitably turns into an ear-piercing squeal and what I want to be a filthy bass becomes a mash of fuzzy groans. Anything that comes out somewhat "clean" sounds too "80s Casio".

One way would be to tie the knob/button you want to automate to a combinator knob/button via the combinator's programmer and automating that by drawing the automation parameters into the combinator's automation lane. The advantage of that being, that the automation lane will be right under the combinator's notelane so it's easier to see what belongs together. Also, you can get very interesting effects by tying multiple knobs to a single combinator knob, connecting an LFO to that combinator-knob's CV in, etc. etc.

Maybe don't even use an LFO at all, creating your wobbles by just manually automating the filter cutoff, so you can make them exactly as wobbly as you want :)

Another thing that makes wobbles sound better in my opinion: Don't use a synced rate LFO... use a free rate LFO and adjust it by ear. Not only does it not sound as sterile and mechanical, you also don't get the weird "jumps" when switching between different rates, that you would get by using a synced rate LFO.

For info on synth programming in reason check out https://www.boyinaband.com (very good beginner tutorials for reason) and https://www.thesoundofreason.net (more advanced techniques) and of course the propellerheads site and forum.

Das Butterbrot fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 16, 2011

Dicky B
Mar 23, 2004

I just came across Chaotic DAW. It's a really interesting project. It allows you compose using a piano roll, step sequencer or even tracker-style text commands, and all three methods neatly integrate together. The main editor is basically a big grid where you can put anything you want, be it patterns, automation clips or individual notes.

I love the interface. Pretty much the entire workflow is on one page and you can show or hide anything you don't need by just dragging it off the edge of the screen.

It's still in beta and unfortunately development has been suspended because the guy doesn't have time to work on it, but apparently the plan is to make it open source. I'm keeping my eye on it. Thought you guys might be interested.

HotCanadianChick posted:

Sounds pretty similar to most chiptune stuff. Look for labels that primarily have chiptune artists on them.
Yeah I think you're right, I'll investigate some chiptune labels. Thanks for the help!

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect
I got a couple of hours today and punched this out



Since I'm still running the trial of Live, I had to finish it up and get it out, not ideal at all. When I started on the melody it was late and the neighbor started banging on the wall, so that was the end of the session!

I need to figure out how to master my loops in Ableton or something, are there good tutorial videos on producing a whole song? The default screen it doesn't look like there is a way, but there HAS to be. Like envelopes, chained effects, cross-instrument effects. It sounds so dry and horrible otherwise.

And in Ableton Intro I can seriously only have 8 different 'phases' in one production? That won't do :( If you have like a kickout that slightly different from another groove it just eats up another spot... I can't imagine producing an actual song like that.

I guess what I'm saying is, where is the good demonstration videos for Ableton...

Emmet Brown
Apr 11, 2006

Shoeing horses and fixing wagons

Uncle Jam posted:

I got a couple of hours today and punched this out



Since I'm still running the trial of Live, I had to finish it up and get it out, not ideal at all. When I started on the melody it was late and the neighbor started banging on the wall, so that was the end of the session!

I need to figure out how to master my loops in Ableton or something, are there good tutorial videos on producing a whole song? The default screen it doesn't look like there is a way, but there HAS to be. Like envelopes, chained effects, cross-instrument effects. It sounds so dry and horrible otherwise.

And in Ableton Intro I can seriously only have 8 different 'phases' in one production? That won't do :( If you have like a kickout that slightly different from another groove it just eats up another spot... I can't imagine producing an actual song like that.

I guess what I'm saying is, where is the good demonstration videos for Ableton...

I've watched most of the videos on Lynda.com here http://www.lynda.com/Ableton-Live-8...oducttypeid%3A2 which gives a really good overview of Live, and goes somewhat in depth.

I've been interested in music for a long time and have a bit of a background (learned keyboard at age 8-13) but never really go into production seriously. I recently decided to take the plunge and bought an Akai Mini Mpk, a Focusrite Saffire interface and started playing with Ableton.

This is the first track I've produced from scratch (still not 100% happy with it, and should have spent longer tweaking it). http://soundcloud.com/skintt/gravity

I also found an accapella of 'Uninvited' by Alanis Morrisette, which I used to create this http://soundcloud.com/skintt/uninvited-cover

I'd love to know what you guys think.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
So I finally finished a couple of tracks.

http://soundcloud.com/zscenturion/seek-mix-1
This one's kind of chilled-out in a gearhead way - like watching a RADAR screen. I was going for some relaxing sort of Dubstep but with more of a straight rhythm. I feel like it's missing something - either that or it's a Hip-Hop instrumental and it's a little too busy.

http://soundcloud.com/zscenturion/crowd-control-mix-1
This one is my first solid attempt at a 'Brostep' track. Pretty heavy; gunshot samples. I'm pretty proud of it.

The quick 'mastering' (loudening) I worked on these tracks still definitely needs some fine-tuning.

Vector 7
Sep 29, 2010

Ok, I've got a good question. How do I get the sound at around 1:25? There's a breakdown and a synth comes in that's doing a really awesome trilling sound. I hear the same kind of sound in chip tunes all the time, and I'm wondering how to get that effect in Live. Is it just arpeggiating some chord really fast?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0gXJOxF34

Thanks!

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




Mister Speaker posted:

http://soundcloud.com/zscenturion/crowd-control-mix-1
This one is my first solid attempt at a 'Brostep' track. Pretty heavy; gunshot samples. I'm pretty proud of it.

The quick 'mastering' (loudening) I worked on these tracks still definitely needs some fine-tuning.

The middle of this track is nasty as whoa. Nice work.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Vector 7 posted:

Is it just arpeggiating some chord really fast?

Yes, it's just a rather fast series of notes.

In that track it's more merely guitar shredding speed (and really kind of a guitar like patch with a simple waveform through some distortion and some quick glides and blah blah blah), I usually think of the chiptune arps as being faster than that... More like this, just the first thing a search picked up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHK1krhrqA0&t=30s

Those originated with old Amiga tracker music that was limited to 4 channels. One of the tricks people would use to get the most out of their 4 tracks was arpeggiating chords at ridiculous speeds, so you can get a chord-like sound with only one track.

breaks fucked around with this message at 06:53 on May 20, 2011

reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!
Question for all you dubsteppers: How do you guys usually balance your bass with your kick? Lots of the times I settle for sidechain compression, but I'm realizing that doesn't really work well if you've got complex drum patterns, which dubstep likes to do every once in a while. When I make drum and bass I usually cut the kicks somewhere between 70-120khs, but in dubstep I like the kick to have it's own oomph as well. Is it a mix of cutting a bit and sidechaining? Pure side chaining? Or writing the bass part specifically to work around these EQ problems?

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Little bit of everything, I find. Find the 'fundamental' frequency of your kick and pull it sharply from the bass - this is especially easy with a spectrum analyzer. Sidechain compress as needed.

sexy fucking muskrat
Aug 22, 2010

by exmarx
So a friend and I just started a new producing project together, and we finished our first electro-whatever track last night and were looking for some feedback on it. We made it in only the last week to meet a contest deadline, so it's not perfect by any means but I think we're both pretty happy with the end result.
http://soundcloud.com/monumentdc/renaissance-monument-remix

That Wicked Walrus
Sep 24, 2010

you've gotta keep movin'
You guys totally nailed that sound, I'm digging this track for sure. Not familiar with the original track but this is awesome.

xpander
Sep 2, 2004


Snippet of a remix I'm doing. Any thoughts? Suggestions?

GbrushTwood
Jul 18, 2004
Mighty Pirate.

The Dark Wind posted:

Question for all you dubsteppers: How do you guys usually balance your bass with your kick? Lots of the times I settle for sidechain compression, but I'm realizing that doesn't really work well if you've got complex drum patterns, which dubstep likes to do every once in a while. When I make drum and bass I usually cut the kicks somewhere between 70-120khs, but in dubstep I like the kick to have it's own oomph as well. Is it a mix of cutting a bit and sidechaining? Pure side chaining? Or writing the bass part specifically to work around these EQ problems?


Well, what I've found is that with Dubstep is that the kick is usually cut much higher. There isn't a really super bassy kick as you would find with a lot of electro songs which will usually have a fat kick from ~70-90hz upwards. So most of the kicks that I use on dubstep tracks usually sit around the 100hz range, which should give you plenty of room to have your subbass and your mid range bass sit in the mix properly. Sidechaining sounds pretty bad in dubstep for the bass since it's a lot of sustained notes.

So basically this is what I would do. Have your subbass on lowpass around 80hz or so (play with it til it sits right) so that the subbass is pretty much the entire low end. Have your kick sit at around 90-100hz so it has its own space. Now when you have all your crazy mid range brosteppy synths, have them highpassed at around the 200hz area (or play around with it until it sounds right, there's no real magic formula) so that the mid now will sit above your kick.

Another good tip that I can give you, if you really want a punchier kick but don't want to sacrifice your subbass or mess with too much EQ'ing, is to play with the timing of the attack on the bass. You can make it so the subbass attack is longer, so it kicks in and starts really quickly after the kick. Or you can draw in some automation on a low pass filter on the subbass that cuts it at the clashing frequency of the kick for a very brief instant, and then moves back as soon as the kick is cleared.

Hope that makes some sense, there are a huge variety of ways to get around it and get the mix to sit properly, it's a lot of trial and error. Hopefully it helps!

GbrushTwood fucked around with this message at 09:25 on May 23, 2011

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

GbrushTwood posted:

Sidechaining sounds pretty bad in dubstep for the bass since it's a lot of sustained notes.

Not if you're doing it sparingly. Not all sidechain compression is that awful throbbing Ghosts n' Stuff effect and a little bit of subtle ducking can really work with dubstep. If you're doing it right it's functionally the same as what you mentioned about lengthening the sub's attack, only with a little more freedom; you don't have to make all your sub notes start where the kicks start. Try ratios around 1.40:1, we're talking about very little effect here.

Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 24, 2011

Gibberish
Sep 17, 2002

by R. Guyovich
I need some criticism. I'm stuck at the point where I can't tell if this rules or this sucks. I finally got my drums to sound as beefy as I want, but this is just a very rough demo. Best if listened to really loud.

http://soundcloud.com/rmnc/rmnc-break-your-loving-face

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OG KUSH BLUNTS
Jan 4, 2011

The sound still lacks a punch for a track called "Break Your loving Face". The drums still get kinda drowned out on the phasy pitch synth you got going on. Cut the filter on the last part in song in half. You have off key chords on 2:34/2:39

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