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perianwyr posted:This is a Bad Response. It's better to keep it short- it would have been more productive to say "Do you think that we should be taking our policies on immigration from North Korea and Afghanistan? What other policies of Kim Jong Il's do you think would have a particularly salutary effect on our national debt?" This sort of response doesn't address the point that the original post is full of crap, and other people reading this response who don't know any better might take that as agreement with those lies.
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Glimm posted:This sort of response doesn't address the point that the original post is full of crap, and other people reading this response who don't know any better might take that as agreement with those lies. There is no way to win with these people. All that is left to us are great zingers. I responded to a facebook post someone had made about how awesome some guy in North Carolina was because he posted a sign in his diner that said something like "No speak english, no service." And how when people move here they should learn the language. I said, "This is like that time all those immigrants flooded into North Carolina but refused to learn Cherokee." He replied, "No this is like the time you went to McDonald's and the cashier didn't speak English." 
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Miss Fats posted:There is no way to win with these people. All that is left to us are great zingers. It is really disheartening, I completely agree there is no way to win with these people. My only hope is that a well reasoned response that rebuts posts like the one mentioned above will sway the folks sitting on the sidelines.
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If your facebook feed doesn't have enough crazy reactionaries, I heartily recommend the US Constitution's page.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:If your facebook feed doesn't have enough crazy reactionaries, I heartily recommend the US Constitution's page. Also on that page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jan-On-America/163238337070298 that first status is just fantastic.
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May 26, 2011 02:55
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It's not enough to disagree with Obama or even say he's incompetent - he has to literally hate freedom and want to destroy the country.
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Miss Fats posted:There is no way to win with these people. All that is left to us are great zingers. I would think that the whole "land of the free" thing should include being able to speak whatever the gently caress language you'd want to. Or live how you want to, or associate with who you want to, or worship how you want to, if at all. It doesn't mean "you can be an American if you follow my particular brand of Protestant Christianity and speak English."
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To them it means "Land of the free to follow my religion and cultural customs, speak my language, and know your place. If not, you're free to go elsewhere."
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pillsburysoldier posted:Also on that page: Does she... does she want to gently caress Netanyahu?
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Glimm posted:It is really disheartening, I completely agree there is no way to win with these people. My only hope is that a well reasoned response that rebuts posts like the one mentioned above will sway the folks sitting on the sidelines. There may be no way to win with some people, but I honestly believe snarky responses and 'zingers' make things worse in most cases. Yes, 'these people' will almost certainly not be swayed at all, but snark and arrogance (as they see it, often correctly) from the enemy just fuels their views sometimes. But, more importantly, this is the Internet and arguments and discussions are generally public, and while we may not be able to persuade the specific person we aim to, what we write and post is recorded and will easily reach other people, for better or worse. I may be right about something, but to Joe, who simply stumbled upon my post and who has no particularly strong opinion on the subject, my rude, condescending attitude may be off-putting enough that the actual content is ignored. Like here in SA-- this is a comedy forum, yeah, but when discussing touchy subjects, well-written, well-presented arguments change minds, and quite a few former-lurkers who were once adamant about their more conservative beliefs have admitted to changing their views drastically in all the 'how does SA affect you' type threads that have been popping up in the past several years. It's not normally the zingers or the troll-accusations (a favorite of some goons when conservative viewpoints pop up every once in a while), but reasonable, informative, well-written responses that affect people who actually care, even if those responses are not directed at them (though a few have recently admitted to changing due to LF. I still don't know how that works... but, then again, I rarely-- if ever-- ventured there in the past year or two, so who knows). Sense and Motion fucked around with this message at 14:47 on May 26, 2011 |
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Miss Fats posted:To them it means "Land of the free to follow my religion and cultural customs, speak my language, and know your place. If not, you're free to go elsewhere." I happened to be in the Dells this last weekend, and there was some GOP convention being held in the same hotel I was at. I saw a car with all sorts of GOP garbage proudly displayed, and one that stuck out was a sticker saying "I will NOT press 1 for English!". I then said that I've never actually ran across that. I've always had english be the first language spoken, and a voice in spanish then says to press 2 for english. Of course my dad's stupid girlfriend argued that US Bank DOES make you press 1 for english. I wish I had called it up in front of them, but I didn't. I did it later, and what do you know?! It was in english! Those idiots are railing against something that doesn't even exist. It's nothing but xenophobia.
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I almost got my Uncle out of that xenophobic funk (which is quite an accomplishment because he admits he's racist) when I finally sat him down and said, "Listen. Can you track back when our family got to this country? Because there were blacks working hard in Jamestown, and the Southwest was Mexico for a long time before it was ever the United States. "American Culture" is all these things and they're all equally valid. Just because it's not YOUR culture doesn't mean it's not OUR culture. They've worked just as hard, they've put just as much into this country, and they have just as much right to speak, act, and listen to whatever they want." You could see in his eyes it really made him think and I almost had him. He said, "You make a good point but I don't care. It's still inconvenient for me."
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May 26, 2011 15:33
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Thenipwax posted:Of course my dad's stupid girlfriend argued that US Bank DOES make you press 1 for english. I understand the underlying problem with people who complain about this poo poo is pretty blatant racism/xenophobia/bigotry, but what I always thought was funny is that they direct a lot of their anger towards privately held business, which give language options specifically to increase their customer base. Why do they hate the free market and capitalism so much?
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May 26, 2011 15:44
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Thenipwax posted:I saw a car with all sorts of GOP garbage proudly displayed There's a regular who comes into where I work with a big SUV with tons of bumper stickers and stuff all across the back. I've never gone up to read most of them, but the two I can make out from a distance are "Illegals get NADA!" and Calvin pissing on ACLU. It absolutely boggles my mind that someone can hate a non-profit organization that actively protects citizens from the government. They literally simply have heard it said in a scary voice enough times to know that it must be liberal and bad.
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A couple of days ago a woman in line in front of me at the Nordstrom Rack got ridiculously angry at the woman behind her. I think she was mad because the woman was kind of half in line, still browsing the racks next to the line while the line moved. Anyway, she shoved her cart and told her to "go back to Russia, or wherever you're from!" I was too taken aback to say anything right then. I thought I might have been on a hidden camera show. A friend of the "Russian" (she was most likely from some other Eastern European country given local demographics) woman came over to ask what happened, and I explained, making sure to say "very xenophobic" loudly. After saying "xenophobic" out loud I realized it's like the least condemning thing I could have said.
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And the least likely word to be in that woman's vocabulary, ironically.
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Miss Fats posted:You could see in his eyes it really made him think and I almost had him. He said, "You make a good point but I don't care. It's still inconvenient for me." At least he is honest about his intentions unlike the other 99%.
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Someone had the bright idea of making a page for all the "real outrage over Onion Articles" fb posts. http://literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com/
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pillsburysoldier posted:Someone had the bright idea of making a page for all the "real outrage over Onion Articles" fb posts.
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Thenipwax posted:"I will NOT press 1 for English!". You know, maybe there are some customers who are American citizens and speak English as a second language, but when it comes to important matters such as personal finances etc. they would rather listen to directions in their native tongue so as not to avoid any misunderstandings? v  v
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My mother sent me this to "change to personalize" and send to my state legislator. Sample Letter to the Editor #2 Dear Editor: The law is a great teacher. It encourages or discourages certain kinds of behavior. Thirty years of seat belt laws have led to a sixty-five percent increase in seatbelt use. Increased taxation on cigarettes has led to fewer smokers. It is believed that a ban on texting while driving will lead to less texting on the road and the saving of more lives. Government often passes laws that encourage or discourage certain behaviors. Legalizing gay “marriage” would encourage even more homosexual behavior, which is inherently unhealthy. The rising numbers of sexually-transmitted diseases in the homosexual community (despite years of education about “safe-sex”) demonstrates this truth. Gay “marriage” will lead to increased healthcare costs and taxpayer expense. This is but one of the reasons why the New York State Legislature should reject any attempt to change the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples. Sincerely, Name City or Town, State The funniest thing is, I live in TN and we banned gay marriage last year. Plus, I am married but bisexual (which she knows) and my daughter is bisexual (which she knows). I think I'm going to personalize it by taking out all of the non-factual bullshit and send it back. Of course if I take out all the bullshit it would just be Dear Editor: Sincerely, LoveMeDead
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^^^ It's funny how they frame it as an expense to taxpayers. Gay people pay taxes just like everybody else, yet don't get the same rights as everybody else. Why isn't that outraging people? Neptr posted:You know, maybe there are some customers who are American citizens and speak English as a second language, but when it comes to important matters such as personal finances etc. they would rather listen to directions in their native tongue so as not to avoid any misunderstandings? v The point is that the complaint in the bumper sticker implies that Spanish is usurping English as the main language in America, and that is a ridiculous and false assertion. English already is the default language on all of those phone menus, yet the bumper sticker would have you believe that it is necessary to press a button to hear it.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Well, if you work for a company with any shred of decency, a nice formal report of that comment would do wonders. Seriously, people like that don't need to be in leadership positions. Whoops, don't know how I missed this. But she is the company. Owns the building, all that goodness. Otherwise she is an amazing person. We take all federal holidays off (Except MLK day), and she honestly cares deeply about the people she works with and works for. Just that bit of racism in an otherwise decent person.
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Thenipwax posted:^^^ Also, if a private company wants to offer options in multiple langauges, why should that offend them? It's the right of the owners of that commercial property to serve their customers any way they wish.
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^^^ And since government should be run more like a business... King Ramses posted:Whoops, don't know how I missed this. I don't think being a good person works this way. It's sad how allowing employees to take holidays off work makes you a good boss in the US though.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Someone had the bright idea of making a page for all the "real outrage over Onion Articles" fb posts. Ok I've either literally found the dumbest person alive or I am getting wooshed really hard: http://literallyunbelievable.tumblr.com/post/5763428916
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King Ramses posted:We take all federal holidays off (Except MLK day), and she honestly cares deeply about the people she works with and works for. Just that bit of racism in an otherwise decent person. "Oh, I'd like a paid holiday, and also if my business is open, no banks, post offices or anything else is - BUT gently caress THAT, NO DARKIE'S GETTING A HOLIDAY ON MY WATCH!" It's a day off from work, man. Just take it.
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Truly One Of The Best Emails I Have Ever Seen!!! A mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in Iraq ?' A mother asked this President.. 'Why did my son have to die in Saudi Arabia ?' A mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in Kuwait ?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in Vietnam ?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in Korea ?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die on Iwo Jima ?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die on a battlefield in France ?' Yet another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg ?' And yet another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die on a frozen field near Valley Forge ?' Then long, long ago, a mother asked.. 'Heavenly Father .. why did my Son have to die on a cross outside of Jerusalem ?' The answer is always the same... 'So that others may live and dwell in peace, happiness, and freedom.' This was emailed to me with no author. I thought the magnitude and the simplicity were awesome. If you are not willing to stand BEHIND our troops, Please, please feel free to stand in front of them.... http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzeb001YYUS ONE FLAG, ONE LANGUAGE, ONE NATION UNDER GOD May God Bless All of You!!
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Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die at Kent State?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in the Philippines?' Another mother asked this President... 'Why did my son have to die in Mexico?' The answer is always the same... 'For American businessmen to have a larger profit margin.' Hey, wait, why DID her son have to die in Vietnam? I don't think their answer adequately addressed that one.
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the posted:If you aren't willing to blindly follow the military, I'd rather you be killed. PS, are troops are the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Ein Flagge, ein Volk, ein Reich! Gott mit uns.
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It's funny because Jesus was actually pretty clear that he wasn't dying in order to cause magic happy fun land. Of course, you can't have people thinking of the deaths of soldiers as necessary evils, because then you can question just how necessary they are.
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Neptr posted:You know, maybe there are some customers who are American citizens and speak English as a second language, but when it comes to important matters such as personal finances etc. they would rather listen to directions in their native tongue so as not to avoid any misunderstandings? v Thenipwax posted:^^^  Armyman25 posted:It doesn't mean "you can be an American if you follow my particular brand of Protestant Christianity and speak English." XyloJW posted:Hey, wait, why DID her son have to die in Vietnam? I don't think their answer adequately addressed that one.
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ChipNDip posted:They have the same right as heterosexuals to marry a person of the opposite gender Actually, might this be considered fraud in some cases if they want benefits? It may be a weak argument, but it's better than my previous argument: screaming and pulling my hair out.
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Dr Christmas posted:Actually, might this be considered fraud in some cases if they want benefits? It may be a weak argument, but it's better than my previous argument: screaming and pulling my hair out. It's literally impossible for a man and a woman to be just friends and reap the benefits though. See that's why gay marriage is so scary, because since every man only has male friends (many single!) they could reap the benefits with ease! (Alternatively: Everyone is actually heterosexual they just might not know it without the help of Jesus Christ) RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 02:23 on May 28, 2011 |
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Tars Tarkas posted:Truly One Of The Best Emails I Have Ever Seen!!!
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