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Ether Frenzy posted:In what legal universe do you live where you have to choose one or the other? You don't have to choose either, I'm just laying out two different situations, which is what life is when you have to deal with it on a daily basis, furthermore based on Howards example which you gave. I don't get the whole thing with non-smokers, it's not like smokers are shot-gunning cigarettes into their lungs. So you smell some cigarette smoke on your walk to work or in the park, big deal.
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Ether Frenzy posted:... No, they do. A large portion have this smug rear end hole attitude about it that they are doing the person a service by making it as difficult as possible and or banning it. That is the stated objective of the lobby behind the new law in NY. I don't even smoke or live in NY. I just don't like legislating taste or hobbies or habits. Howard feels the same way when the FCC was involved but this doesn't affect him that way so legislate away! "Smelling" smoke is probably just as dangerous as smelling curry or incense or Chinese takeout relative to health risks. Standing on a curb breathing in the exhaust of 100 vehicles feet away...probably a tiny-tad-bit more dangerous. 
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May 26, 2011 23:57
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chiz posted:You don't have to choose either, I'm just laying out two different situations, which is what life is when you have to deal with it on a daily basis, furthermore based on Howards example which you gave. But you're acting like you can either enforce the no masturbating in public ordinance or the no smoking in public areas ordinance, but not both. The no smoking in public gathering places thing is not a moral viewpoint, it's a city or municipality statute. Would you rather have a guy masturbating in your baby's face or a guy shooting your baby in the face with a flamethrower while eating your wife's internal organs? I mean, you can just wipe the jizz off, I don't get what you non-jizz-in-the-baby's-facers are all up in arms about. ChubbyEmoBabe posted:"Smelling" smoke is probably just as dangerous as smelling curry or incense or Chinese takeout relative to health risks. Standing on a curb breathing in the exhaust of 100 vehicles feet away...probably a tiny-tad-bit more dangerous. As it turns out the petroleum lobby is stronger than the tobacco one. Also, vehicles serve a purpose to society's function so I guess some sacrifices are going to be made, false equivocate it all you like but.. Smokers are the minority these days, so I'm afraid that it's not going to get any easier for them in regards to smoking in public areas.
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May 27, 2011 00:11
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:
This is Scott DePace type thinking. Check out this study on effects of smoke versus idling engines: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1747905/pdf/v013p00219.pdf
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May 27, 2011 00:11
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chiz posted:Jesus loving Christ. I wouldn't want to have to survive in New York on that, I don't know how it's possible. Howard isn't a communist, he doesn't need to spread all his wealth around. Besides, I'm sure he takes care of JD, I mean, what other job could that knucklehead hold? He would be a wack packer if Howard didn't already grant some charity on him. Same with the rest of them, most of them are callers/fans who leeched on to Howard. His real support group, Gary and Fred and Robin get paid well. How much more does he have to do? Buy a house for High Pitch? Send Beet to college?
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May 27, 2011 00:32
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I guess all the studies about whether or not smoking is good for your health are irrelevant because it's also bad to breathe in car exhaust. This isn't even about smoking vs non-smoking false equivalence derails, the topic arose to discuss whether or not Howard was correct in telling a dumbass that his freedom to smoke wherever he feels like regardless of public legal ordinance does not outweigh everyone else's freedom to NOT smoke wherever a smoker feels like smoking. If you missed the conversation, it went like this: Smoker: I have the freedom to smoke where I want including this enclosed space in public Non-Smoker: I have the freedom to stand here in public and not smoke your second hand smoke Smoker: Freedoms only apply to me
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May 27, 2011 00:44
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And Scott Salem closes his door to partake in the only joy he has left in his life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdpB0aSgwsI Ten minutes times ten cigarettes how long is that?!
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May 27, 2011 00:49
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chiz posted:Jesus loving Christ. I wouldn't want to have to survive in New York on that, I don't know how it's possible. I lived in NYC making about 45k a year. You have roommates, walk or take the subway everywhere and just be smart about it. Its possible...not very fun at times but possible. The hardest part is rent. Hence having roommates. I can see how a shut in like JD makes it work. The hardest part for me was not having money to go out and do stuff. If thats not an issue then its very doable.
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May 27, 2011 01:19
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chiz posted:Howard gets $80,000,000 a year (that's what I heard, correct me if I'm wrong), how does he sleep at night. I mean yeah he built his career over a 25 or 30 year period but it's his loving support guys like JD and Sal and Richard and the other nood-nicks who loving help make the show great. I heard the same thing about Howard's salary. I have a question though. Howard's last contract was 500 million(!) for five years and AFAIK his current contract is the same. My understanding is that 100 million per year is to pay the salaries of Howard, Robin, fred, gary and a few of the of the other people on the show (Benjy? Sal and Richard?) as well as a budget for Howard TV, and random props, bits and other poo poo on the show. I now get the feeling, thats incorrect. So if His contract is 100 million a year and he makes 80 mill of that, where the gently caress does the other 20 mill go? I'm talking before taxes.
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May 27, 2011 01:26
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scapulataf posted:I now get the feeling, thats incorrect. So if His contract is 100 million a year and he makes 80 mill of that, where the gently caress does the other 20 mill go? I'm talking before taxes. Don Buchwald takes his cut as Howard's agent. Probably around 10-15%.
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May 27, 2011 01:42
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Vakal posted:Don Buchwald takes his cut as Howard's agent. Probably around 10-15%. How does an agent work? I mean what apart from contract negotiations does Don do for him? also magnets.
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May 27, 2011 01:50
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chiz posted:How does an agent work? I mean what apart from contract negotiations does Don do for him? Buchwald doesn't even have a Wiki page and his main website says nothing. He looked really creepy in that Behind Scenes Daily Show episode of Howard TV.
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May 27, 2011 02:01
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Vakal posted:Don Buchwald takes his cut as Howard's agent. Probably around 10-15%. Don also represents Fred, Robin and Gary. Wasn't there a thing with Jackie and how he didn't want to be represented by Don? HAHAHA
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^^^^^^^ E: (howard making fun of jackie voice) "Yeah, I don't want an agent to represent me, they take too much money". Says jackie as he's hawking tapes, T shirts, and mugs in the alley behind some guys comedy club. Vakal posted:Don Buchwald takes his cut as Howard's agent. Probably around 10-15%. Yeah, I figured that, but it was my assumption that Howard's "employees" (don, ronnie, beth) get paid out of that 80 million. Basically howard, before taxes makes 80 mill, then out of that, he pays his agent, etc... But then again, if Don gets 10 or 15% then that would account for 10-15 mill out of the 100million per year. And then the other 5? No fuckin way ronnie makes that much. scapulataf fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 27, 2011 |
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Buchwald doesn't even have a Wiki page and his main website says nothing. I think I saw a picture of him once and if it was him, he looks like Johnny Fratto.
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chiz posted:How does an agent work? I mean what apart from contract negotiations does Don do for him? Well for normal people they help get them work, guide their career, advise the client on what choices to make and hash out contracts. They also do the dirty work that the client can not, like telling people "no", etc. On a normal client they take a 10-15% cut of all their work, but for someone like Howard where he does do a lot of work and Don isn't doing a ton of work either I imagine it is more of a yearly rate instead of commission. I know certain other people who do not need to work that much anymore are on that sort of a deal with their agents. At this point Don is more of a adviser and a clearing house for all the people wanting a piece of Howard; TV shows wanting appearances, movie roles, people wanting Howard to promote something, etc. It all goes through Buckwald. You want a quote from Howard, you ask Buckwald. Don can be the bad guy and not call you back and Howard comes off looking clean. Agents have a bad rap a lot but that is what they are paid to do, look after the best interests of the client. Sometimes that requires being a bad guy or a rear end in a top hat. Now lets say he makes 80 million a year, 10% of that goes to Buckwald, 5% goes to a attorney, 5-8% goes to a accountant although both of those last ones are probably higher due to Howard probably having good, trustworthy forms of both. After taxes and whatnot he is probably only seeing 25 million which is still not bad money and anyone here would be glad to have it even for one year but it is amazing how much gets taken away from you.
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Djarum posted:Well for normal people they help get them work, guide their career, advise the client on what choices to make and hash out contracts. They also do the dirty work that the client can not, like telling people "no", etc. Oh right. I remember Howard talking about being offered parts in movies, this and that and then saying that his agent said "nah, it's crap" thanks Djarum 
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I like that Howard paid someone $4k to install his toilet seat and they didn't even bother to hide the wires for that price. His agent obviously does NOT handle his labor management in that arena.
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May 27, 2011 02:40
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Ether Frenzy posted:I like that Howard paid someone $4k to install his toilet seat and they didn't even bother to hide the wires for that price. are there any pictures of this or did Howard mention it on the show? I missed it today
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Djarum posted:Now lets say he makes 80 million a year, 10% of that goes to Buckwald, 5% goes to a attorney, 5-8% goes to a accountant although both of those last ones are probably higher due to Howard probably having good, trustworthy forms of both. After taxes and whatnot he is probably only seeing 25 million which is still not bad money and anyone here would be glad to have it even for one year but it is amazing how much gets taken away from you. Howard probably did not give Buchwald a % or if he did it was minuscule. I can't see him going through several million dollars/yr between attorneys and accountants either.
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chiz posted:are there any pictures of this or did Howard mention it on the show? I missed it today He talked about it in the 10-15 minutes leading up to the Kevin Bacon interview, and there's a 4 or 5 commercial break right before the interview. He got one of those Japanese robo-toilets installed.
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Ether Frenzy posted:He talked about it in the 10-15 minutes leading up to the Kevin Bacon interview, and there's a 4 or 5 commercial break right before the interview. He got one of those Japanese robo-toilets installed. Didn't he say he heard about it/talked about it with John Krasinski (Jim from The Office) while they were having dinner? If that is true, I never knew that Howard has dinner with such random people.
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ragle posted:Howard probably did not give Buchwald a % or if he did it was minuscule. I can't see him going through several million dollars/yr between attorneys and accountants either. Didn't he pay somebody like $50,000 to put in a door? I don't think Howard understands how money works in the real world anymore. He paid like god knows how much to switch to Mac because he couldn't be bothered to learn how to twitter on a blackberry, so Jon "The Molester" Hein could show him how to do it on an iphone. The more money a celeb has, the less they connect to reality and common sense, because those type of people are operating on a whole other plain of existence.
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Mr Hands Colon posted:Didn't he say he heard about it/talked about it with John Krasinski (Jim from The Office) while they were having dinner? If that is true, I never knew that Howard has dinner with such random people. I was really surprised by that. I wonder if Karinski will ever come in.
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AxeManiac posted:The more money a celeb has, the less they connect to reality and common sense, because those type of people are operating on a whole other plain of existence. The best was when Artie gave Teddy $400 to put songs on his iPod.
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-Atom- posted:The best was when Artie gave Teddy $400 to put songs on his iPod. Artie attacked him when he found out how easy it was.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:I was really surprised by that. I wonder if Karinski will ever come in. Thank you for being the only one to notice that. I'd like to see a new face in there for an interview, although Booey probably passed on him because he isn't Joan Rivers/insert lovely person here.
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ragle posted:Howard probably did not give Buchwald a % or if he did it was minuscule. I can't see him going through several million dollars/yr between attorneys and accountants either. Ummm... you have no idea how the entertainment industry works do you? It is how it works. In entertainment contracts you generally pay a percentage of your income to at the very least your agent and lawyer. For a accountant it can go either way, I imagine Stern probably is paying a guy a percentage to keep him honest. When you pay a flat fee to a accountant in which he is managing tons of money for you it is almost begging him to rip you off. While it sounds stupid to people who don't work in entertainment I can explain it in a way that it might make more sense. You have a agent, think of the agent like your pimp. He has all the contacts in your industry, he does all the heavy lifting of getting you work. Your agent is who gets you auditions, he is who talks to the employers and makes sure you are taken care of, basically your agent takes care of all the bullshit that you really never want to deal with. So in effect all you have to do is wait for a phone call that says to be at this place at this time. Now like a pimp, in exchange for getting you work, making you happy and safe they expect some of the money you make. Now you can always go without a agent, like a prostitute but it is much harder and you are at risk of getting taken advantage of unless you are at a certain point in your career that it does not matter anymore like Bill Murray or a famous Porn Star. Now even then, while Bill Murray does not have a agent he still has a lawyer to go over any contracts he receives, because even though he has no shortage of work offers and general will get what he wants you ALWAYS want a good lawyer to go over any legal paperwork you ever get. It is a safe way to protect yourself, much like how a prostitute should always use protection. As for a good accountant that really is a no-brainer. If you are like 90% of us in this thread we have no real need for one. Or income and assets are pretty small and using a software accounting and tax software does the job quickly and easily. When you have a lot of money, especially when it is coming in from various sources and is diversified in various investments and markets it is not wise to handle your own finances. You need a professional to keep track of everything and work with your banker to help make your money grow. The trick is with high income people that finding a honest accountant is difficult since if they screw up or rip you off it is you that is hosed, not them. If you pay them a percentage and then keep a eye on your finances you can help keep them honest. It is also a good way to keep them on the ball of making sure your money is working as if it is not, they see less money. Stern is stupid about a lot of things but this is not one of them. When he got to New York he had not had a agent and when he met Don he took a look at his contract and about passed out. Buckwald went in that next week and got him a ton more money which pretty much sealed the deal for Howard. I know a few people who have dealt with him over the years and he is very well respected in the entertainment industry. Don up until recently when he merged with another agency rarely took on new clients and has a personal relationship with all his clients. The guy actually cares and takes care of his clients which is a rarity in that industry. I know of a lot of high profile people in the entertainment industry who can't get their agent on the phone a lot of the time. You can't say the same for people who have Buckwald representing them.
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:I just want to know how much ralph has bilked out of him over the years. The gay son he never had. I think it is safe to say any dollar Ralph has ever touched since the late 80's probably belonged to Howard.
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Mr Hands Colon posted:Thank you for being the only one to notice that. I'd like to see a new face in there for an interview, although Booey probably passed on him because he isn't Joan Rivers/insert lovely person here. "Yeah, I had dinner with John Krazuskanski or whatever. He's on that show called 'An Office' that Ricky Gervais ripped off. Has anyone even heard of that Gervais guy?"
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Brocktoon posted:"Yeah, I had dinner with John Krazuskanski or whatever. He's on that show called 'An Office' that Ricky Gervais ripped off. Has anyone even heard of that Gervais guy?" As much as I love The Office, I'd rather Howard just completely ignore it anyway and get one of those more personal interviews out of him. But I can't really imagine anyone from that show would go out and potentially "damage" their image by being so truthful with Stern.
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Brocktoon posted:"Yeah, I had dinner with John Krazuskanski or whatever. He's on that show called 'An Office' that Ricky Gervais ripped off. Has anyone even heard of that Gervais guy?" That's what I mean. The Office is a very successful show (even though Michael Scott is gone now), so I am just super curious as to how John would be having dinner with Howard. I mean, he never really talks about any shows that are DWTS or The Bachelor, etc.
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AxeManiac posted:Didn't he pay somebody like $50,000 to put in a door? No, some contractor gave him number that as an estimate and Howard laughed him right off. He's out of touch but he's not retarded. He did the same thing to someone when they wanted six grand to install a TV in his eating area where the wires would be behind the wall instead of hanging all over.
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Mr Hands Colon posted:That's what I mean. The Office is a very successful show (even though Michael Scott is gone now), so I am just super curious as to how John would be having dinner with Howard. I mean, he never really talks about any shows that are DWTS or The Bachelor, etc. From Marksfriggin.com: quote:Howard said the toilet wires stick out and he felt bad getting the thing. He said he had to have an electric line put in and it's a whole thing. He said he had never tried it before and one guy told him not to get it. Howard said it was this guy who is married to Emily Blunt. John Krasinski is his name. He's on The Office. Howard said John told him not to get it because it soaks your rear end and you have to wait for it to blow dry your rear end. Howard said he was already getting it installed at that point. Howard said he had to continue this later. I guess, like many other people have said, Howard is out and about more than he lets on.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:And then Stern summarizes the birth of FOX News and how it's "genius and admirable," because if there's one thing that has never been tried before it's a controlled and manipulated press! [EDIT: Thanks!] Sasquatch! fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 27, 2011 |
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Sasquatch! posted:I heard him talk about it but I can't remember what it was from. A documentary on Roger Ales I think? It sounded interesting. Feels like I'm spamming this thread: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525
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chiz posted:Oh right. I remember Howard talking about being offered parts in movies, this and that and then saying that his agent said "nah, it's crap"
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