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Phil Moscowitz posted:Hay guys wat do you think about this idea?? That's really stupid. Even if graduates had zero debt the majority of them would still go chasing them dolla dolla bills. Just fix the medicare reimbursement rates by drastically reducing what specialists receive and increasing what primary care physicians receive.
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Welp, Dominique Strauss-Kahn moved to a block away from where I work this summer. Makes lunch breaks pretty interesting.
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The Warszawa posted:Welp, Dominique Strauss-Kahn moved to a block away from where I work this summer. Makes lunch breaks pretty interesting.
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entris posted:I might be getting a staff attorney position at a BigLaw firm, working half-time in one department and half-time in another. I'm pretty thrilled, even though it's less money than an associate position and even though there's zero hope of ever becoming a partner there.
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May 29, 2011 22:24
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HiddenReplaced posted:That's really stupid. Even if graduates had zero debt the majority of them would still go chasing them dolla dolla bills. Just fix the medicare reimbursement rates by drastically reducing what specialists receive and increasing what primary care physicians receive. Medicine is the one industry where more competition drives up health care cost. The more doctors there are in a given area the higher "utilization" is. Essentially assuming that there is a base line adequate number of MD's, the more docs, the more tests and procedures ordered to make their nut.
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May 29, 2011 23:27
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Roger_Mudd posted:Medicine is the one industry where more competition drives up health care cost. The more doctors there are in a given area the higher "utilization" is. Essentially assuming that there is a base line adequate number of MD's, the more docs, the more tests and procedures ordered to make their nut. It's not like MDs are all fungible. There aren't enough primary care MDs, and part of the reason is because specialists get paid way too much money.
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HiddenReplaced posted:It's not like MDs are all fungible. There aren't enough primary care MDs, and part of the reason is because specialists get paid way too much money. P.S. Her and every one of her friends think the health care crisis could be solved by tort reform. They're all idiots.
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May 30, 2011 02:38
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10-8 posted:P.S. Her and every one of her friends think the health care crisis could be solved by tort reform. They're all idiots. This is literally every med student ever. But they are still smarter than law students because they'll have jobs.
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May 30, 2011 03:46
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10-8 posted:words I worked for anesthesiologists who threatened to "quit medicine" after the health care reform bill. They made between 400k-1mill a year, 30-40% of that was Medicare and Medicaid but "HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT INTERFERE IN MY PROFESSION." Also they didn't want anyone's taxes raised to pay for their own salaries? I <3 doctors.
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May 30, 2011 04:09
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Gembolah posted:So our grades came out, and I'm thinking about applying to transfer. I'm wondering whether there is anyone that wouldn't mind talking with me about the options. If you're serious about clerking, transfer. If you're serious about DOJ Honors, transfer. If you're serious about both, transfer to Yale. HYS transfer is a total crapshoot. Might as well apply.
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Gembolah posted:I basically want to work for the government (clerk -> DoJ Honors would be awesome) so I'm thinking that staying, keeping my debt down, and (hopefully) graduating towards the top of my class is the best way to go. As someone who was in a similar position, I can tell you that you're hosed either way. Might as well stay where you are. I mean, apply to Harvard and Yale I guess. Otherwise I'd say it's not worth it.
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May 30, 2011 04:28
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Gembolah posted:My resume isn't great (non-standard and somewhat polarizing), but I have solid job this summer. Obviously if I could get into Yale I would go, but I'm probably not interesting enough. We need more information. Specifically, what is you gpa / lsat and are you a minority?
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May 30, 2011 04:50
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Gembolah posted:My resume isn't great (non-standard and somewhat polarizing) Uhh, what does this mean?
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May 30, 2011 05:01
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prussian advisor posted:Uhh, what does this mean? war criminal
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May 30, 2011 05:23
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not enough war criminal experience
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May 30, 2011 05:30
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10-8 posted:I used to date a urologist. She didn't like hearing that I thought her subspecialty was overpaid and part of the cause of the health care crisis. None of her friends liked it either. By the time these kids get out of medical school they all feel they're entitled to make $400,000 after residency. They're worse than the 1Ls who think biglaw is their birthright. The day I realized I was going to dump her was fun because for the (short) remainder of the relationship I didn't have to hold back about how I really felt about the medical profession anymore. I hate to break up the med student hate circle, but not all of us think this way? But I wouldn't expect a bunch of ambulance chasing money grubbing lawyers to get that.  (That's a joke).
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May 30, 2011 05:47
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"not laudable" 
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May 30, 2011 06:43
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I think you should be more vague so people will never tell you the answer you're apparently not wanting to hear.
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May 30, 2011 06:46
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Gembolah posted:I'm basically a white male. Are you a black man that suffered horrible bleaching accident?
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May 30, 2011 14:16
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username 'gembolah' + 'polarizing' = poker fyi I hope I still read souls p good
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May 30, 2011 14:40
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Residency Evil posted:I hate to break up the med student hate circle, but not all of us think this way? Let me guess. You think med school should be free, but doctor salaries should stay about the same.
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May 30, 2011 15:21
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Gembolah posted:Not great means there isn't a ton on it, while nonstandard means my activities were unusual (though not laudable). Polarizing means that people usually really like it or they really dislike it. This isn't very helpful. You need to be more specific.
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May 30, 2011 15:35
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I think it's helpful because I didn't know what any of those words meant.
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Residency Evil posted:I hate to break up the med student hate circle, but not all of us think this way? We know it's not everyone, but it's just easy to speak in generalities. Also, we want to be called doctor.
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diospadre posted:I think it's helpful because I didn't know what any of those words meant. hahaha You mean it's helpful in that it provided assistance to you to understand the meaning of those words??
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May 30, 2011 16:12
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May 30, 2011 16:13
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Yeah, now I'm hoping he comes back and defines laudable.
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i, too, feel that urologists and anesthesiologists make excellent representative sample populations for medicine as a whole
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Der Meister posted:i, too, feel that urologists and anesthesiologists make excellent representative sample populations for medicine as a whole Says the future radiologist.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Let me guess. You think med school should be free, but doctor salaries should stay about the same. Nope.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Says the future radiologist. 
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HiddenReplaced posted:Also, we want to be called doctor. This is pretty much it for me.
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Residency Evil posted:Nope. Theen how do you feel? I'll start things off. I think you should have either (a) subsidized or even free education, with UHC in place to limit the cost of services and by extension your salary will be in the $100-$180,000 range; or (b) get paid $400,000 a year, pay your piddling student loans, and shut the hell up already
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Gembolah posted:Not great means there isn't a ton on it, while nonstandard means my activities were unusual (though not laudable). Polarizing means that people usually really like it or they really dislike it. For example: 1. Apply to HYS. Don't be disappointed when none of them work. Top 2% at a low T1 is a pretty big stretch for H (still possible) and probably not happening with YS. I think it's worth trying all three though because transferring is even more of a blackbox than regular admissions. 2. Apply to another T14 if it happens to be in an area you REALLY want to live in AND you're willing to pay for it. For example, if you are from Philly, have fam there and want to work in the Northeast, a move to Penn may be OK. On the other hand, if you have no ties to Chicago, have never been there, don't particularly want to practice there and have to give up a scholarship to go there, even though UChi and Northwestern are great schools it is not worth it. 3. Stay put and be content to go to school on the cheap. Hopefully you have friends and/or female(s) in your current spot. Also please can we have "I'm basically a white male" as the new thread title, that was hilarious. E: I'll add that I made the transfer move myself. I think it's safe to say I'm a little more bullish than others here on doing it but it really can't be just about getting to a higher ranked school. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 30, 2011 |
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entris posted:Haven't gotten details on the pay or hours yet. I am a little concerned about the second-tier status issue - I don't want to get stuck in some staff attorney ghetto for the rest of my career, but I'm happy working with these people for now because I'd be working with some really top notch people in my field. I was told that for the first four or five years, staff attorneys do the same work as associates (just less assignments), and then at about the five year mark, the learning curve for the staff attorney levels off while the associates go on to more complicated work. What departments? Hopefully litigation. This sounds a lot like my job - I'm a staff attorney for a big law firm, do the same work as regular associates, make less than associates, and have the same 2000 hour billable requirement as associates, (but I work way more than that because it's a busy department and the attorneys are workaholics) and on the bright side, am called an "Associate" on the webpage and for my resume so I have some hope of moving on from being a staff associate if I choose to switch firms. But if those partners working 7 am - 10/11 pm are the partners that you are working for, don't be surprised if you end up working about the same hours as them. Unless you have an explicit arrangement where you're 9 - 5/only work 40 hours a week, etc. or possibly if you're paid hourly + overtime vs salaried - don't expect billable requirements to really matter and don't expect you'll get to leave earlier than other associates. My firm talks about our "special" work-life balanced tracks all the time and it's total bullshit, we just make less. I am salaried and therefore, there's no reason why they can't keep me all night if they choose to. It could be 1800 hours billable requirements and you still don't get to just stop working just because you're on target, you're going to have to generally be around when the partner is there/up all night when there's a trial or closing/etc.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Theen how do you feel? I'll start things off. I think you should have either (a) subsidized or even free education, with UHC in place to limit the cost of services and by extension your salary will be in the $100-$180,000 range; or (b) get paid $400,000 a year, pay your piddling student loans, and shut the hell up already Or you could do it frenchy style, fully subsidize the studies, garanty full employment for doctors through a strict numerus clausus, underpay the doctors between year 6 and 12 of their studies when they must work fulltime in the public hospital for the minimum wage (you earn something like 1300 euros a month during 6 years...), and after 10/12 years, once the studies are done, cap the cost of a consultation to 25 euros in order for the consultation to be fully refunded by the social security. Of course everything is not so simple, doctors can "uncap" the cost of their consultation (most of the time they up it 40-100 euros), but then unless you are a very prestigious doctor, who practiced for 20 years in a famous hospital, you are at risk of not finding patients, because unless the patients have a good additional private health insurance, they will not be refunded. So when you uncap too much you only catter to really well-off patients. So the system pretty much balances itself. A few very good/prestigious doctors earn a good chunck of money (although nothing like 400k a year, more like 150-200k €/y), most doctors uncap their fees reasonably because they have middle-class patients with (often mediocre) additional health insurance, and a lot of doctors remain with capped fees. I live in Paris and you can almost always find doctors with capped fees if you are willing to travel a little bit, although specialists with capped fees are becoming harder to find. While most employers provide really cheap additional health insurance for the whole family (dental/heavy surgery/death insurance), for something like 200 euros a year for the whole family, even when you don't have an employer it costs something like 300 euros a year max. The whole social security is financed thanks to tax on employment. When an employer pays you 100, you receive a "gross" salary of 80, on which YOU have to pay 20 to get your net salary of 60. After that you have to pay your income tax. So in France it is true that an employer has to pay 2 euros in order for you to get 1. That is why our salaries are really lower than in the US. For example my gross salary is 60k gross, my employer had to pay a real gross of 75k, I will have to pay something like 23% of social security tax, so I'll get something like 46k, on which I'll then have to pay 3-4k of income tax. In the end I get 42k while my real gross was something like 75k. Macnigore fucked around with this message at 07:23 on May 31, 2011 |
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