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ProFro posted:Okay, so this is obscure as hell, but I got a question I just finished watching Raw & Smackdown from 1999, and I don't remember that promo. I may have skipped over it though.
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I've been absent from watching wrestling for about 8 or so years now, so I decided it would be a good idea to read this entire thread!  That being said, I have a couple of questions of my own.1) Does anybody know why Chris Hero drastically changed his style? I know that he got in much better shape after coming to Ring of Honor, and he had the 'Young Knockout Kid' gimmick, but I remember that he used to wrestle a kind of pseudo-European style with a tons of reversals and was master of the cravat, etc (so did Alex Shelley, as a matter of fact, but he seems to have gone to a high-flying style). Is there any particular reason why he's gone to almost exclusively striking these days? 2) Can anybody give me a list of some of the best CM Punk matches since he's been in the WWE? I was vaguely aware he had left ROH to go there, but it seems he's had a (what I would consider) surprising amount of success, being an indy darling and all.
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Sprint posted:2) Can anybody give me a list of some of the best CM Punk matches since he's been in the WWE? I was vaguely aware he had left ROH to go there, but it seems he's had a (what I would consider) surprising amount of success, being an indy darling and all. 2006 - Punk had some fun and very one-sided matches with Stevie Richards in ECW 2007 - His feud with John Morrison had a mixture of good and frustratingly short matches 2008 - Amazingly, his title defenses against Batista were really fun to watch, but again frustratingly cut short 2009 - His feud with Jeff Hardy is perhaps his best period in WWE so far, where he was getting the push and victories to match the quality of his promos. It's also one of the few feuds in recent memory (or distant memory!) where the heel not only came out the winner, but ran the face out of the company.
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Sprint posted:1) Does anybody know why Chris Hero drastically changed his style? I know that he got in much better shape after coming to Ring of Honor, and he had the 'Young Knockout Kid' gimmick, but I remember that he used to wrestle a kind of pseudo-European style with a tons of reversals and was master of the cravat, etc (so did Alex Shelley, as a matter of fact, but he seems to have gone to a high-flying style). Is there any particular reason why he's gone to almost exclusively striking these days? Hero's entire gimmick up until about late-2007 was a parody of an indie wrestler. Unnecessary flips, indie standoffs and too many finishers. His appeal was that he was a 6-foot-5 guy doing flips. Then he realised that if he got into shape and changed his moveset, he could be much more than an 'attraction'. If he wrestled a style fit for a guy his size, he could be considered a serious wrestler and a top-guy. Hence the YKOK gimmick. He's never been in better shape and he's legit considered one of the top-ten talents in the world at the moment.
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Jun 7, 2011 23:48
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triplexpac posted:I just finished watching Raw & Smackdown from 1999, and I don't remember that promo. I may have skipped over it though. Yeah I'm pretty sure this didn't actually happen. Not sure where I got such a crazy idea.
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Ziggy Tsardust posted:Hero's entire gimmick up until about late-2007 was a parody of an indie wrestler. Unnecessary flips, indie standoffs and too many finishers. His appeal was that he was a 6-foot-5 guy doing flips. Then he realised that if he got into shape and changed his moveset, he could be much more than an 'attraction'. If he wrestled a style fit for a guy his size, he could be considered a serious wrestler and a top-guy. Hence the YKOK gimmick. He's never been in better shape and he's legit considered one of the top-ten talents in the world at the moment. Well I think also Gabe was trying everything to get the crowd to boo Hero, so he made up the TYKOK name since it's impossible to chant.
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Jun 8, 2011 18:09
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Captain Charisma posted:Well I think also Gabe was trying everything to get the crowd to boo Hero, so he made up the TYKOK name since it's impossible to chant. Knowing what we know now about ROH fans, just pushing him or giving him a belt would have been enough to turn the crowd against him.
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Jun 8, 2011 18:15
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Well the thing is, I think Hero was the favorite of the types who cry about MY FREEDOM TO BOO WHOEVER I WANT!!!!!!!!! And also I think it's really overstated how often they turned on someone. Gabe turned Nigel after two mouthbreathers got all spergy about Nigel not wrestling very hurt. Tyler Black was a case of Gabe strapping a rocket to his rear end and Pearce taking too long to get to the conclusion after slowing the push down. After that...not really any examples of the crowd turning on a champion.
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Jun 8, 2011 18:45
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Captain Charisma posted:Well I think also Gabe was trying everything to get the crowd to boo Hero, so he made up the TYKOK name since it's impossible to chant. THAT YOUNG KNOCK-OUT KID *clap clap clap clap clap* Really? That's impossible to chant?
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Jun 8, 2011 18:58
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Lone Rogue posted:THAT YOUNG KNOCK-OUT KID Pretty much. It's really hard to get a rhythm with it.
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YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR THAT YOUNG KNOCK OUT KID! *clapclap clapclap clapclapclap clapclap* Seems easy enough and makes perfect sense.
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Jun 8, 2011 19:19
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The problem with Hero's indie stereotype gimmick was that he was too entertaining for his own good. It was like watching late-90's Jericho. He was a heel and he was a jerk but he was so entertaining and charismatic and funny about it you couldn't help but want to laugh and cheer for him.
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Jun 8, 2011 19:20
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Yes, he was a poor heel
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Jun 8, 2011 19:21
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Sugar Blaster posted:The problem with Hero's indie stereotype gimmick was that he was too entertaining for his own good. It was like watching late-90's Jericho. He was a heel and he was a jerk but he was so entertaining and charismatic and funny about it you couldn't help but want to laugh and cheer for him. When I caught on he was dressing worse than Mike Quackenbush I laughed but that was about the extent of my enjoyment until post-ROH vs. CZW feud.
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Jun 8, 2011 19:26
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Anything over four syllables is awkward for a 'clap, clap, clapclapclap' style chant. Two syllables is the 'Ho-MER, Ho-MER' style or the 'Let's go Homer (claps)' style. Three syllables is the 'Kev-in-NASH! Kev-in-NASH!' style There's really nothing for five.
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Jun 8, 2011 19:28
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Lone Rogue posted:When I caught on he was dressing worse than Mike Quackenbush I laughed but that was about the extent of my enjoyment until post-ROH vs. CZW feud. He was pretty good as a heel in the ROH/CZW feud because he was a total chickenshit with lovely ring gear who couldn't hold his own with ROH guys unless he had back-up. Not a top guy character, obviously, but it was leagues above his usual shtick.
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Jun 8, 2011 19:40
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"Knock him out! Knock him out!" It's not perfect, but it's the chant I'd go for.
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Jun 8, 2011 20:05
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flashy_mcflash posted:Anything over four syllables is awkward for a 'clap, clap, clapclapclap' style chant. Unless you say the five syllables with the same cadence as the claps. That would probably catch on.
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Jun 8, 2011 20:31
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I've seen old ECW footage where they chanted E-C-DOUBLEYOU, E-C-DOUBLEYOU obviously this is awkward as gently caress and that's why it became ECDUB but the rhythm itself works
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Jun 8, 2011 20:44
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Yeah, but by the time it makes it all the way around the arena it's all mangled. Less of a problem in the ECW Asylum, slightly bigger problem at the Silverdome.
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Jun 8, 2011 20:47
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flashy_mcflash posted:Anything over four syllables is awkward for a 'clap, clap, clapclapclap' style chant.
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Jun 8, 2011 20:57
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flashy_mcflash posted:Yeah, but by the time it makes it all the way around the arena it's all mangled. Less of a problem in the ECW Asylum, slightly bigger problem at the Silverdome. You've got bigger problems than chants if you're putting on a wrestling show in the Silverdome in 2011.
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Jun 8, 2011 21:14
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I've heard about the Warrior releasing several videos blasting Hogan about this and that? Does anyone know what brought this all on, what the videos have to deal with or Hogan's response?
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Jun 8, 2011 21:29
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Sugar Blaster posted:counterpoint: "YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKIN' HEAD KICKED IN* That works because it's inherently goofy. I cannot imagine a situation where chanting THAT YOUNG KNOCKOUT KID would work. A big part of the reason it can't be chanted is because it's such a lovely name. Of course some cocky idiot like Chris Hero would think it's the greatest thing ever. It's lovely.
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Jun 8, 2011 21:39
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Spikeguy posted:I've heard about the Warrior releasing several videos blasting Hogan about this and that? Does anyone know what brought this all on, what the videos have to deal with or Hogan's response? Hogan was talking crap on some video interview somewhere about Randy Savage after he died, so Warrior's going to trash Hogan for an hour on YouTube or something.
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Jun 8, 2011 21:53
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Spikeguy posted:I've heard about the Warrior releasing several videos blasting Hogan about this and that? Does anyone know what brought this all on, what the videos have to deal with or Hogan's response? Warrior is karma incarnate, and as it's emissary has come to collect Hogan's debt. Simple.
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Jun 8, 2011 22:08
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Bocc Kob posted:Hogan was talking crap on some video interview somewhere about Randy Savage after he died, so Warrior's going to trash Hogan for an hour on YouTube or something. http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/08/ultimate-warrior-hulk-hogan-cocaine-drug-use-wife-sex-video-rant-feud-rivaly-wwe-wrestling-er-wife-swapper/
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Jun 8, 2011 22:14
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TMZ has an article on it: Hogan threatens a lawsuitquote:
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flashy_mcflash posted:Anything over four syllables is awkward for a 'clap, clap, clapclapclap' style chant. "KNOCK KNOCK" "WHO'S THERE" "BRA-DEN WAL-KER" Rinse, repeat.
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Jun 8, 2011 22:19
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Sugar Blaster posted:counterpoint: "YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKIN' HEAD KICKED IN* "JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU"
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Jun 8, 2011 22:38
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Lone Rogue posted:"JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU" Which was previously, "TAZ IS GONNA KILL YOU"
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Hirams Bitch posted:Which was previously, Which was previously "INVADER #1 IS GONNA KILL YOU"
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ZoDiAC_ posted:TMZ has an article on it: Hogan threatens a lawsuit I love when people go on a rant and put something like "had an open marriage" in between genuine reasons to dislike a guy. What harm did that do to anyone? (yes, I am aware that the Warrior is religious enough to believe that its a sin to have sex outside your marriage)
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Am I the only person dreading that this video is going to be a massive Russo-inspired SWERVE! and Warrior's return to TV is going to be with TNA? Dreading, because it would mean that Randy Savage's death was used to further a wrestling angle between two idiotic men who should've long ago been put out to pasture.
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Perdido posted:Am I the only person dreading that this video is going to be a massive Russo-inspired SWERVE! and Warrior's return to TV is going to be with TNA? I hadn't thought of that possibility. gently caress. That's probably what it is.
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Deadpool posted:I hadn't thought of that possibility. gently caress. That's probably what it is. If Hogan files a legitimate lawsuit while in WCW for being called a politician and a "big bald son of a bitch," then I'm sure he's not happy with being called a cokehead, cuckold, liar, cheat, backstabber, and so on.
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George Kaplan posted:I love when people go on a rant and put something like "had an open marriage" in between genuine reasons to dislike a guy. What harm did that do to anyone?
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:If Hogan files a legitimate lawsuit while in WCW for being called a politician and a "big bald son of a bitch," then I'm sure he's not happy with being called a cokehead, cuckold, liar, cheat, backstabber, and so on. Good point. ... Maybe Warrior's the Mystery GM? 
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Perdido posted:Good point. Triple H: Do I get my win back? Warrior: No. *both phones hang up at the same time*
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Lone Rogue posted:Triple H: Do I get my win back? I want them to edit future releases of that Wrestlemania to where the match ends right after the pedigree, and it just goes directly to the next match.
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