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lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

CalvinDooglas posted:

there are really only three things you have to worry about that could indicate a need to replace the tubes:

microphonics - when the pramp tubes make "thunder" from the slightest touch

bad power tubes - sounds like your amp is talking with its mouth full

excessive noise - persistent hissing can mean a bad preamp tube

Biasing is also marketing bullshit. The fact that like 99% of the tubes sold are from the same factory means the companies who relabel them have to find all kinds of creative ways to make their tube more attractive. Tubes aren't some special part, they are just gigantic analog transistors. Getting new tubes and biasing them as a matter of routine maintenance makes as much sense as checking all your capacitors to make sure they store current at their ideal rate.

Tube amps are not high maintenance, in fact they will perform for a LONG time if you treat them decently.

Sounds good. The amp sounds fine and I am just concerned about the broken keypeg on the on Power tube.

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Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit
I'm trying to find Katie Sawicki tabs. Especially Tuesday. Any idea where I can find them because all the websites I know don't have anything for her?

Also, any advice for switching chords without it affecting the sound?

e: I'm trying to switch from c to c/b and when I left my fingers the sound seems to just stop, which makes sense. Is the key to just move REALLY fast to the next chord?

Lackadaisical fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jun 8, 2011

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

Lackadaisical posted:

I'm trying to find Katie Sawicki tabs. Especially Tuesday. Any idea where I can find them because all the websites I know don't have anything for her?

Also, any advice for switching chords without it affecting the sound?

e: I'm trying to switch from c to c/b and when I left my fingers the sound seems to just stop, which makes sense. Is the key to just move REALLY fast to the next chord?

That in combination with the beat of the music. practice switching between chords going every possible direction (C->G ; G->C, etc)

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit
I need to find a program where I can slow songs down. I'm able to play almost the entire song I wanted now but not at the right pace yet. I'm just happy to be able to play it, even if I do still constantly gently caress up F, but it'd be nice to play along at my pace for now.

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

Fun Shoe
I was at a buddy's house and brought my Blues Jr. III over so I could jam with some guys for a bit. This dude pulled my cord out while the amp was on (I was turned away talking for a moment) so he could plug his piece of poo poo Burnswood strat in and I heard a massive pop. I had then switched over to drums for a bit and didn't get to try the amp until the next day. I turned it on and just plugged my Fender in without any sort of preamp and there was some sort of feedbacky, echoing high pitched sound I don't think I've ever heard before ringing out without me playing anything. I said feedback because it seemed to oscillate and would get louder then softer after a crescendo of sorts. This is at just 2.5 volume. It seemed to not be noticeable or otherwise went away after I played for a bit (it persisted a while through my playing) and the amp seemed to be "warmed up". Is my amp damaged?

Btw this is the same guy that insists on using this Burnswood because it bowing horribly under his bed for years makes it "perfect for slide guitar" (i.e. ready for unbelievably dissonant, out of rythym playing at all times). Dude also gives me nasty looks with I decide to put some gain on my Billy Corgan strat because "real musicians don't need gain".

Incredulous Dylan fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 8, 2011

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Lackadaisical posted:

I'm trying to find Katie Sawicki tabs. Especially Tuesday. Any idea where I can find them because all the websites I know don't have anything for her?

Also, any advice for switching chords without it affecting the sound?

e: I'm trying to switch from c to c/b and when I left my fingers the sound seems to just stop, which makes sense. Is the key to just move REALLY fast to the next chord?

Is her album or whatever new? I had a look on Ultimate Guitar but they don't know she exists - if it's too new nobody will have tabbed it yet. You might do better on some fan forums for the moment, if you can find any!

You're always going to have a stop when you change chords, so yeah the trick is to do it as quick and as late as possible. What people do sometimes is mute the strings for a strum (like 'da na na naaa na na chk ba na na') or play strings open, so their fingers can be on the move - not something you want to rely on though!

For the Neko Case song you're going from:

x32010
to
x2x010

and with that C chord you're fretting the A string (the 3) with your ring finger, the D string (the 2) with your middle finger, and the B string (the 1) with your index finger. To switch to the C/B you can just move your middle finger over to the next string (the 2 on the second chord), and lift your ring finger out of the way. Try it and you'll see what I mean. You don't need to move your index finger, so you can treat it as an anchor - it stays in place and makes it easier to move your other fingers around.

And for slowing stuff down you could try this:
http://mp2004.home.xs4all.nl/bp/
I've never used it but it was recommended on another forum and it's free. There are some other programs (Amazing Slowdowner or sometihng like that) that cost moneys

SUBLIME!
Mar 7, 2009

my quiver is full~
I've been going through justinguitar's beginner course (goddamn that dude knows how to teach) and I realized I have no idea how to properly hold a pick/strum.

I've looked it up everywhere and I'm getting different answers, and while I'm managing when I'm just playing a chord and picking the notes when I try doing a pattern of down-up-down-up it really sounds like I'm raking on the strings on the upstrum. What do I do?

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit

baka kaba posted:

Is her album or whatever new? I had a look on Ultimate Guitar but they don't know she exists - if it's too new nobody will have tabbed it yet. You might do better on some fan forums for the moment, if you can find any!

You're always going to have a stop when you change chords, so yeah the trick is to do it as quick and as late as possible. What people do sometimes is mute the strings for a strum (like 'da na na naaa na na chk ba na na') or play strings open, so their fingers can be on the move - not something you want to rely on though!

For the Neko Case song you're going from:

x32010
to
x2x010

and with that C chord you're fretting the A string (the 3) with your ring finger, the D string (the 2) with your middle finger, and the B string (the 1) with your index finger. To switch to the C/B you can just move your middle finger over to the next string (the 2 on the second chord), and lift your ring finger out of the way. Try it and you'll see what I mean. You don't need to move your index finger, so you can treat it as an anchor - it stays in place and makes it easier to move your other fingers around.

And for slowing stuff down you could try this:
http://mp2004.home.xs4all.nl/bp/
I've never used it but it was recommended on another forum and it's free. There are some other programs (Amazing Slowdowner or sometihng like that) that cost moneys

The CD that has the song I want, Time Spent Lost, came out in 2008. She just isn't as well know. But ya, I checked all the major tab sites, and even a fewer alternative ones, and came up empty. Google didn't help either. :( I really want to learn Tuesday too but I don't have the ear to recognize chords and do it solo.

Thanks for the other stuff! :) That's incredibly helpful. I'll try what you said and nab the program!

Also, I've been practicing the F chord, the "right" way, so much my housemates have to be ready to kill me. I think I have it but I still don't think I'll be able to switch to it in a song yet. Still. I got it. :)

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

SUBLIME! posted:

I've been going through justinguitar's beginner course (goddamn that dude knows how to teach) and I realized I have no idea how to properly hold a pick/strum.

I've looked it up everywhere and I'm getting different answers, and while I'm managing when I'm just playing a chord and picking the notes when I try doing a pattern of down-up-down-up it really sounds like I'm raking on the strings on the upstrum. What do I do?

He actually has one about holding a pick, in case you haven't seen it!
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-107-PicksHolding.php

That's basically the way I hold it (slightly different but I think his way might actually be better), but there could be a few reasons why it feels wrong. You might be holding out too much of the point, or gripping it too tightly (or not enough), or using a pick that's too heavy. Personally I like a heavier pick for electric guitar, but a thinner one for acoustic because the heavier strings fight it a lot more. It could just be your technique too, it's just physically easier to strum down than up. Practice forever!

Lackadaisical posted:

The CD that has the song I want, Time Spent Lost, came out in 2008. She just isn't as well know. But ya, I checked all the major tab sites, and even a fewer alternative ones, and came up empty. Google didn't help either. :( I really want to learn Tuesday too but I don't have the ear to recognize chords and do it solo.

I'll have a look and see if I can work out the basic chords, can't make any promises though!

Now you should write a song called 'my housemates love the F chord' and sing it very loudly

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit

baka kaba posted:

I'll have a look and see if I can work out the basic chords, can't make any promises though!

Now you should write a song called 'my housemates love the F chord' and sing it very loudly

If you tab it out for me, I'll write that song, play it loudly over and over again then record it to send to you.

Maybe I'll go crazy and try and use variations of F. Or I'll deliberately mess it up so it sounds awful.

Dolphin
Dec 5, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lackadaisical posted:

I'm trying to find Katie Sawicki tabs. Especially Tuesday. Any idea where I can find them because all the websites I know don't have anything for her?

Also, any advice for switching chords without it affecting the sound?

e: I'm trying to switch from c to c/b and when I left my fingers the sound seems to just stop, which makes sense. Is the key to just move REALLY fast to the next chord?
It's easier to switch chords if you put down one finger to anchor your hand and then put down the other fingers in the right pattern. After a while you'll do it so fast that you won't really think about it anymore, but slamming down all of your fingers in the right shape can be difficult. Practice putting down one finger at a time into the chord pattern, and then speed it up. It's better to practice very slowly and get the notes right than to practice quickly and get the notes wrong since your brain will learn your mistakes.

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit
If the F chord were a person, I'd take it to dinner, have sex with it and never call it again. Just so it understands the pain it causes me.

SUBLIME!
Mar 7, 2009

my quiver is full~

baka kaba posted:

He actually has one about holding a pick, in case you haven't seen it!
http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-107-PicksHolding.php

That's basically the way I hold it (slightly different but I think his way might actually be better), but there could be a few reasons why it feels wrong. You might be holding out too much of the point, or gripping it too tightly (or not enough), or using a pick that's too heavy. Personally I like a heavier pick for electric guitar, but a thinner one for acoustic because the heavier strings fight it a lot more. It could just be your technique too, it's just physically easier to strum down than up. Practice forever!

Oh, holy poo poo, I have no idea how I missed this. Thanks, this helped a lot!

crm
Oct 24, 2004

Can somebody point me in the direction for if I wanted to start recording some stuff on my PC? Something with a couple tracks max.

Excavation
May 18, 2004

FEED ME CRAYONS

Lackadaisical posted:

Maybe I'll go crazy and try and use variations of F. Or I'll deliberately mess it up so it sounds awful.



You seem very frustrated about the F chord, which is natural. Stress less, it'll come to you. Just out of curiousity, which way are you playing it? I can think of three ways off the top of my head - one of them considered ideal but difficult for beginners to finger, one that is simpler to finger but less rich, and finally the one I play that they tell beginners not to learn because it enforces bad technique (or so they say).

The first way (the ideal method and the hardest of the bunch) is to make a barre chord with your index finger going across all the strings at the first fret, and the rest of your fingers making what looks like an E major shape. In fact the whole thing looks like an E major, just moved a fret up with your index finger emulating the nut, kind of like when your mum marries that guy who loves playing Asteroids on the Atari so he kind of emulates your dad but he doesn't do dad things like teach you to shave so you walk around school for a year with a porn star moustache. He cheers you up with alcohol but it's merely a band-aid; you can't confide in him, you can't confide in your mum and every day trodding alone through the cement labyrinths of the ever-alienating metropolis creates more and more distance between yourself and your already geographically-distant father, and when you visit friends and see their stable nuclear families you find yourself wondering how different things could have been. Anyway I'd wager that you're playing it this way.

It looks like this:

e|--1---
B|--1---
G|--2---
D|--3---
A|--3---
E|--1---

The second way is less of a headache. Instead of playing the entire barre chord as in the example above, you play only the 4 highest strings. Your index finger goes on the e and B strings at the first fret, your middle finger on the G string at the second fret, and your ring finger on the D string at the third fret. The benefits of this voicing are that it is less of a strain on your fingers (and especially wrist) than example 1, but it comes at the cost of omitting the two lowest notes of the chord which results in a sound that is not as rich. But hey, in the meantime it's better than becoming frustrated with your guitar and destroying/neglecting it.

I described the fingering above but just for clarity's sake, here it is in pictorial form.

e|--1---
B|--1---
G|--2---
D|--3---
A|------
E|------


The third and final way most professional guitar teachers would try to steer you away from. Luckily for you I don't care what they think. The way you play it is this: first you take your index finger and put it across the first fret of the e and B strings. Next, put your other three fingers down in exactly the same way that you would in the first example (that is, middle on G string fret 2, pinky on D string fret 3 and ring on A string fret 3). Now that's the highest 5 strings, but what about the lowest one? Thanks to evolution, we are the dominant species on the planet due in part to our opposable thumbs. Take that thumb and move it up and over the side of the neck adjacent to your skull. Now you can use it (the thumb, not your skull) to fret the E string at the first fret. It is essentially the same chord as the one in the first example, all the notes are exactly the same, only with a more comfortable fingering. There are benefits and downsides to using this fingering for E-shaped barre chords, so my advice would be to learn both and use common sense when choosing which fingering to use (for instance, if you were to play a 7 chord you'd REALLY want to use the traditional method in example 1, also it's harder to switch to powerchords from the thumb-around-neck barre chord).


Anyway, that's my spiel. Have fun and go wild, this is serious business.



Edit: And be careful of wrist strain when playing the first method.

Excavation fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Jun 9, 2011

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants
The easiest way to approach playing F is with the barre. Put down the barre alone and then take a look at which strings you actually need to press with the barre: only the Es and B.

You can arch your index finger slightly so it only presses on the Es adn B, your other fingers will take care of the other 3 strings.

meatcookie
Jun 2, 2007

Incredulous Dylan posted:

because "real musicians don't need gain".

Please kick him square in the genitals as hard as you possibly can.
I mean really rear back and put some hip into it.
Then, once he's stopped crying and rolling around, lean down and tell him that real musicians use whatever they damned well please to broaden their sonic palette.

e: VVV Absolutely. I'm probably reading too much into the guy but I've heard that exact phrase before from snooty-rear end retards who're still pissed at Bob Dylan for going electric.

meatcookie fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 9, 2011

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants
To be fair, if you can't sound good on clean you do straight up suck.

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

CalvinDooglas posted:

The easiest way to approach playing F is with the barre. Put down the barre alone and then take a look at which strings you actually need to press with the barre: only the Es and B.

You can arch your index finger slightly so it only presses on the Es adn B, your other fingers will take care of the other 3 strings.

I find it's easiest to play songs either all barred or all open, I have a very hard time transitioning from open to barred chords. When I was beginning I played F as I described before, 1123xx, before I learned a full barre.

The beautiful thing about barre chords is many consonant chords are on the barred on the same fret Your song consists of C, C/B, F, Fm, and Am.

These are all actually playable without moving your barre at all, barring on the 8th fret.

C: 8 8 9 10 10 8
C/B: 8 8 9 9 10 8
F: 8 10 10 10 8 8
Fm: 8 9 10 10 8 8
Am: 8 10 9 10 x x

C to C/B is a hell of a transition, though (for me at least). If the song is fairly slow moving though it oughtn't be a problem.


Like I said, barre chords are magical.

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit
I play F like this:

e|--1---
B|--1---
G|--2---
D|--3---
A|--3---
E|--1---

I might be overly ambitious for having played for a total of 3 days, but go big or go home. :) I'm determined.

To be honest, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I can get my fingers into position and hold down the strings pretty well. The barre is harder to hold so I'm guessing it's that.. But sometimes it comes out buzzed and sometimes it comes out muted. I'm paying close attention to the obvious gently caress ups like not touching other strings, etc.

And yes, Excavation, you could say I'm very frustrated. I know it's normal but it just feels like it isn't getting easier with practice and since I don't know what I'm doing WRONG, I can't fix it. But like I said before, I THINK it might be the finger holding down the barre chord.

:( Stupid barre chords..

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

Fun Shoe

meatcookie posted:

Please kick him square in the genitals as hard as you possibly can.
I mean really rear back and put some hip into it.
Then, once he's stopped crying and rolling around, lean down and tell him that real musicians use whatever they damned well please to broaden their sonic palette.

e: VVV Absolutely. I'm probably reading too much into the guy but I've heard that exact phrase before from snooty-rear end retards who're still pissed at Bob Dylan for going electric.

Dude only listens to Big Bill Broonzy and old blues or older musicians. Music officially died at 1979 apparently. Don't get me wrong, I love the blues and the older stuff. I ran an internet radio blues show for months introducing people to everyone from Robert Johnson to Lightnin' Hopkins to Otha Turner & the Rising Star Drum & Fife Band. I ran a Beatles bootleg show for months as well that had a nice little goon following, but I believe you should never set boundaries when it comes to music.

The amp is now making a hissing sound constantly when on, even when volume is turned off entirely.

Lackadaisical - Some quick things to check about your F:

You are probably doing this naturally, but roll your barre finger a bit so that you are a bit more on the bonier edge as opposed to having all that finger padding.

For some reason I am temporarily losing the ability to describe the human finger, but make sure you don't have any strings in the knuckle crevices of your barre finger. If you are playing F, you are probably having trouble with your G or B strings due to this. You'll have to shift around your finger a bit and figure out where you need to press a little harder, etc.

Pretty basic, but make sure you are as close to the frets as possible on your strings. When you are first learning to barre it is easy to sort of lose track of where your other fingers are and how hard they are pressing.

Most importantly, don't get frustrated. A lot of it is simply the fact that your muscle needs to develop. Three days is not enough time for this to physically happen. It is an extremely useful technique that is just one of those things you need to be able to do to open up your guitar potential. Plus, once you start moving some voicings around you'll have tons of fun!

Incredulous Dylan fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jun 9, 2011

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants

Paramemetic posted:

I find it's easiest to play songs either all barred or all open, I have a very hard time transitioning from open to barred chords. When I was beginning I played F as I described before, 1123xx, before I learned a full barre.

that's a sign of seriously excessive death grip tension.

quote:

Most importantly, don't get frustrated. A lot of it is simply the fact that your muscle needs to develop.
This is a fallacy that needs correcting. It takes a very tiny amount of force to press guitar strings. Anyone over the age of 5 is physically strong enough, and trying to develop "strength" will end in tendinitis. It is about developing intention and efficiency of motion. It's literally all coordination, not strength.

CalvinDooglas fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jun 9, 2011

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

Fun Shoe
Calvin, from reading your earlier posts about tube amps, I believe I'll probably have to replace one of these tubes. How should I go about safely isolating the tube in question and replacing it? Is this something a store should be handling? Like you said, they are all groove tubes.

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants

Incredulous Dylan posted:

Calvin, from reading your earlier posts about tube amps, I believe I'll probably have the replace one of these tubes. How should I go about safely isolating the tube in questions and replacing it? Is this something a store should be handling? Like you said, they are all groove tubes.

yes, hissing could be a tube problem. It never hurts to have a spare. Go buy a 12AX7 to use for testing.

With your amp unplugged from the wall, open it up to expose the tubes and set up your little workstation so you can reach them easily.

First check for general tube issues like age. Turn the amp on with all the original tubes. Once it's on and producing noise, tap the preamp tubes lightly to see if they are microphonic. If a very light tap produces thunder in the amp, you have an old tube (that's not to say "bad" tube, some people will run their tubes into the dirt). You'll have to use your judgement because even new tubes will produce thunder sounds if you set the amp down hard, or drop a beer on it. Take note of any old tubes, in case you care to replace them.

Next, check for your hissing tube. Turn the amp off an unplug it from the wall. Give it some time to cool off, as the tubes will be piping hot and the capacitors will still have a painful amount of charge. Get your new tube out and swap out the first preamp tube. Turn the amp on, hit the standby switch, listen for noise. Repeat with each preamp tube. Yes, it's a bit time consuming, but any repair person will do pretty much the same thing. Tubes are totally DIY maintenance.

If you swap every tube and it makes no difference, it's probably a different part and then you might look into taking it somewhere. You can check the power tubes if you really want, but you'd hear a marked change in volume and tone of one of those went out.

Incredulous Dylan
Oct 22, 2004

Fun Shoe
Excellent, thanks for the advice. I'm sure that it is just an issue with a preamp tube, but a second opinion is always nice!

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Lackadaisical posted:

If you tab it out for me, I'll write that song, play it loudly over and over again then record it to send to you.

Maybe I'll go crazy and try and use variations of F. Or I'll deliberately mess it up so it sounds awful.

Terrible news! I don't think there's an F chord in that song :(

Ok I can give you this to go on with if you like - this is probably a great listening exercise actually, because the fingerpicked intro part of the song is basically two open chords, so all you have to do is listen to each note and find the string that makes that sound. Anything you play will work since they're all notes from the chord, but you can work out exactly what she's playing too. Give it a go and see how it works out. Of course you can just strum them too, which will be a lot easier at first

Anyway here's some chords:

code:
Esus4   022200
E       022100
A       x02220 or 577655
Asus2   x02200
B       x24442 or 799877
C#m     x46654 or 9-11-11-9-9-9 or 9x999x (C#m7 really)
G#m     466444 or 4x444x (that's G#m7 really)
Eadd4   002100
I threw in those jazzy minor 7th shapes in case you can't play the minor bar chords yet. There's a couple of F shape bar chords in there too, and you might need to use that for the B chord if you haven't learned the x24442 shape yet (799877 is the F shape moved up to the 7th fret, see?)

Intro is Esus4 and E, E is 022100 and Esus4 is where you plonk your spare pinky finger down on the 3rd string to give you 022200, you keep changing that one note (going between the two chords basically) so it makes sense to just put that finger down/lift it up, although you could do it other ways. Right at the start it's the Esus4 (022200), but have your index finger fretting that note on the first fret too, so you can just lift your pinky and go straight into the 022100. Listen to the difference between those two chords too, because she jumps between them a lot - it's 'the riff'. If you're trying to copy the picking pattern, the very first notes are G string, high E string, B string to get you started!



Ok so it starts off Esus4 and E

C#m "Storm windows"
Asus2 "Replaced by"
back to E/Esus4

C#m "Asking about the weather"
Asus2 "Sittin out there"
E/Esus4

A "If the clouds don't eventually"
B "rain"
G#m "skies are"
Asus2 "grey"

(Chorus)

E "working day"
Asus2 "job"
C#m "gimmawimma"
B "meah"
Asus "tight" (sorry)

Eadd4 "the cuhhh"
Asus2 "some hail?"
C#m "I'm done with"
B "feeling so"
G#m "goddamn"
Asus2 "low"


Strum time on the E/Esus4 chords

C#m "standing with your"
Asus2 "hanging on your every word"
E/Esus4

C#m "steady hand came"
G#m "through in"
A "time"
C#m "truth came clear"
G#m "closed my"
A "eyes"

Asus2 "clouds eventually"
B "poured"
G#m "sky was"
A "orrrrrrrr"
B "rrrrrrrrr"

(chorus again)

Then a C#m/B/Asus2 thing twice, then back to E/Esus4 with a brief stop over at Asus2 again



That's it. Two things though - this definitely isn't correct or even how she plays it, but it's how the implied chords sound to me. The C#m chords in verses are probably something else - she's fingerpicking in a style where your thumb alternates the lower two strings in the chord, bim-bom-bim-bom-bim-bom while your other fingers pick the higher strings, and in those C#m verse chords it's implying an A chord... you might want to try playing 909800, which also isn't what she's playing. I can't really tell what she is doing right now! There's a definite feel of a change so see how it sounds to you. Also I've kinda used A and Asus2 interchangeably, sus2 chords are a little less bright and happy so yeah, adjust to taste.

Cool song by the way

Oh and try the rolling thing with your barring finger. Hold the strings down with the edge of the finger rather than the bottom, by rolling it slightly to the side. The bottom of your finger has lots of creases and bumps that make it harder to barre without strings muting, but you only need to roll it a little to get a more even surface

baka kaba fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jun 10, 2011

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

crm posted:

Can somebody point me in the direction for if I wanted to start recording some stuff on my PC? Something with a couple tracks max.

Audacity for basic ideas and just getting stuff down:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Reaper's a great DAW, free unlimited trial and real cheap if you want to buy it. Does pretty much everything you could want:
http://www.reaper.fm/

Not used it in a while, but Kristal is a decent halfway - a free DAW with I think 8 tracks max and 3 or 4 effects (including VSTs) per track. Definitely cool if you've never used a DAW before, it has all the basics and lets you try whatever effects you want to download without being overwhelming. The site's not been updated in a while (can't be sure if it's cool with Windows 7) but the forums still look active:
http://www.kreatives.org/kristal/

crm
Oct 24, 2004

How about on the physical side, how do I get sound from guitar -> pc? a good mic? line in?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Depende, if you're happy with your amp setup you'll need a mic to record it - decent ones will need an audio interface (check this thread), you could always just plug in a crappy desktop mic but it won't be hi-fi. You could run line-in if your guitar setup has a line-out (like from your amp, or something like a POD), otherwise you'll want an interface with a Hi-Z input if you want to plug your guitar straight in. Also a direct guitar signal sounds like pure balls, so if you're doing that you'll need some kind of amp-modelling software like Amplitube or Guitar Rig, or there are free plugins that will do nowhere near as good a job but it's an option.

crm
Oct 24, 2004

I've got a Fender Mustang which has a line-out. How's the quality on something like that going to be?

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Probably serviceable if not a dream tone... your computer must have a line-in connector, right? You can grab a cable (and a 1/4" adaptor for the amp end) for almost no money and give it a try, and it'll come in useful for other stuff too probably

crm
Oct 24, 2004

It seems I can use this ASIO4All thingy and get audio via USB. That's kinda neat, and I got it working with Reaper!

Thanks for the heads up on that.

crm fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jun 10, 2011

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

I've been playing with my Malden Bulldozer for a week or so, and it's a well playing and super light guitar, and pretty much a steal at $220+shipping.

http://www.maldenguitars.com/store.htm

revolther
May 27, 2008
Not trying to crap on your guitar at all but what is it about SG's that makes them hold no value? I mean Gibson SG's run what like 800 bucks then resell for half that usually on CL. I've played them on stage as a backup, solid humbucking rock sound for sure, way more preferable than those melody makers. What kind of cougar blood was this Malden guy rubbing on the pickups? I'm assuming hand made instead of machined body then set up by an American? I mean 220 sounds fair for parts and labor, and the finishes look nice, but the original price was ridiculous for something not inhabited by the ghost of an AC/DC roadie.

Kaboobi
Jan 5, 2005

SHAKE IT BABY!
SALT THAT LADY!

revolther posted:

Not trying to crap on your guitar at all but what is it about SG's that makes them hold no value? I mean Gibson SG's run what like 800 bucks then resell for half that usually on CL. I've played them on stage as a backup, solid humbucking rock sound for sure, way more preferable than those melody makers. What kind of cougar blood was this Malden guy rubbing on the pickups? I'm assuming hand made instead of machined body then set up by an American? I mean 220 sounds fair for parts and labor, and the finishes look nice, but the original price was ridiculous for something not inhabited by the ghost of an AC/DC roadie.

No idea, I would never spend a grand on one of these, but for $200 it's way more than worth it.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret
While we're talking about cougar blood pickups, what can you guys tell me about these?
http://www.teslapickups.com/vr-extreme
They're what got crammed into the Subhuman. I'll be honest, it's too 'much' guitar for me right now, you roll off, it's nice, but it goes straight to metal.

This isn't really bad. But I am playing the Telemaster more.

No. 9
Feb 8, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Lackadaisical posted:

I play F like this:

e|--1---
B|--1---
G|--2---
D|--3---
A|--3---
E|--1---

I might be overly ambitious for having played for a total of 3 days, but go big or go home. :) I'm determined.

To be honest, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I can get my fingers into position and hold down the strings pretty well. The barre is harder to hold so I'm guessing it's that.. But sometimes it comes out buzzed and sometimes it comes out muted. I'm paying close attention to the obvious gently caress ups like not touching other strings, etc.

And yes, Excavation, you could say I'm very frustrated. I know it's normal but it just feels like it isn't getting easier with practice and since I don't know what I'm doing WRONG, I can't fix it. But like I said before, I THINK it might be the finger holding down the barre chord.

:( Stupid barre chords..

I used to freak about barre chords. I found, for me at least, it's all about context of a song. I know a lot artists just love the Fadd9 or whatever it is where it's x03210. Curl your finger just a bit and don't worry about pressing down too hard if you're going to do the full voiced F. I find playing electric songs, it's a lot easier and not just because of the strings. After a couple years of playing I still cheat on the Bb, but I can do a A-shaped barre (which is a bitch as you'll soon figure out). I just find there's a lot of snobbery when it comes to voicing full chords sometimes and that always got me really discouraged as a learner. Acoustic you can't get away with skipping out too much, especially if you like artists who do bass runs or emphasize bass notes (Elliott Smith comes to mind), but electric (especially with any effect/distortion -- but then you're not trying to voice full chords anyway) is super easy after a few days.

So my advice is -- find a lot of songs with F or some kind of F to G to Am, where you can slide that barre as much as you can and eventually you'll sneak it in there. F-G-Am build is pretty common, so you can choose to just let it build off a barre instead of going back to an open Am after the barred G.

Does that make any sense? I'm rambling, but that's how I learned and got good at my barre chords. Finding songs I really like that have just a few thrown in and then I was into full on barred songs.

No. 9 fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jun 11, 2011

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants

revolther posted:

Not trying to crap on your guitar at all but what is it about SG's that makes them hold no value? I mean Gibson SG's run what like 800 bucks then resell for half that usually on CL. I've played them on stage as a backup, solid humbucking rock sound for sure, way more preferable than those melody makers. What kind of cougar blood was this Malden guy rubbing on the pickups? I'm assuming hand made instead of machined body then set up by an American? I mean 220 sounds fair for parts and labor, and the finishes look nice, but the original price was ridiculous for something not inhabited by the ghost of an AC/DC roadie.

They don't hold value because like every 16 year old and his cousin owns a POS that says "SG" on the headstock - with the "Gibson" part being only a little less common. There are a plethora of signature SG models, dozens of standard models in the last decade alone, and really no notable players anymore. Not to mention there's nothing special about its sound; it's just two really dry humbuckers.

Frankly, Gibson/Epi is just a brand with some notable players. Their stock instruments don't stand out, and you'd probably have a hard time picking out a "Gibson" tone on a recording. Fender, on the other hand, makes a much more distinctive standard instrument that you can identify on a recording. Not to mention the list of "strat players" is a bit more impressive than Les Paul or SG players.

Lackadaisical
Nov 8, 2005

Adj: To Not Give A Shit
Is there any reason why I should use my pinky finger to play A3 in the C chord if I have to go C to C/B to A to F to Fm? It makes transitioning easier but I know that's not "technically" the finger alignment you're supposed to use.

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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Lackadaisical posted:

Is there any reason why I should use my pinky finger to play A3 in the C chord if I have to go C to C/B to A to F to Fm? It makes transitioning easier but I know that's not "technically" the finger alignment you're supposed to use.

You can play a chord however you like, especially if it makes transitioning to the next chord easier. That's efficiency! Personally though I'd fret that C the 'usual' way (ring finger on the A string), then switch to the C/B by lifting my ring finger up and moving my second finger over to the A string, then the A minor chord is just moving your second finger back and dropping in the ring finger... (your index finger stays in one place throughout all this). Do it whatever way feels comfortable for you though, some ways will just work better than others.

I did yr song for you by the way, in case you missed it

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