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Abugadu posted:Possible opening (long story, lots of politics, position may already be given to someone else but who knows) here in child support, pm me extremely soon if interested. Have to have passed a bar somewhere. Why do you post this mere days after I cannot apply to it. 
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Business card chat: Where do y'all get business cards? Preferably ones that would make Patrick Bateman jealous.
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Jun 9, 2011 19:29
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quote:I wound up having to draw arbitrary lines between grades and to set all the grades lower than, in my judgment, your performance warranted. --An e-mail from a law school professor I received today. 
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Jun 9, 2011 20:57
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Is he trying to say you got the highest grade? Or that you should have gotten a higher grade? What the hell
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Jun 9, 2011 20:58
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diospadre posted:Is he trying to say you got the highest grade? Or that you should have gotten a higher grade? What the hell It's a mass email - the your would be collective. In other words "there's a curve I have to abide by and you guys got screwed."
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Jun 9, 2011 20:59
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diospadre posted:Is he trying to say you got the highest grade? Or that you should have gotten a higher grade? What the hell That's just a snippet. But basically he was impressed by everyone and wanted to give higher grades, but the law school wouldn't let him. So he drew arbitrary lines. Woooo. Edit: Arbitrary lines that benefitted me! Wooo! G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 9, 2011 |
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Jun 9, 2011 21:00
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At least he's honest about the arbitrariness.
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Jun 9, 2011 21:51
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Working on an international law file right now 
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Jun 9, 2011 23:25
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BigHead posted:Why do you post this mere days after I cannot apply to it. Trust me, the timing is awful on this end as well. But seriously, kind of desperate for applicants, since a lack of applicants means we get someone who will seriously gently caress up our office (again).
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Jun 10, 2011 01:49
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Tomorrow afternoon I have my first real interview with a BigLaw firm, which I'm super super super excited about. Today my temperature hit 100 and I've definitely got some serious sinus issues going on. I'm trying to see if I can push the interviews to next week but I also communicated to the scheduling person that I'll come in tomorrow if necessary. Man, Sudafed and Advil better make me feel much better tomorrow. I have another set of interviews at another firm on Monday. Christ if I have the flu, I'm going to be so pissed. 
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Jun 10, 2011 03:14
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entris posted:What kind of firm wants to see your undergrad grades? Or was this question based off GPAs that you listed on your resume? Maybe it's a Canadian thing? I think he just wanted to see how I answer questions. My friend interviewed with the same firm and a partner who wasn't present at my interview said "I don't give a gently caress about grades" to her. So good.
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Jun 10, 2011 03:22
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Abugadu posted:Trust me, the timing is awful on this end as well. Hang out in #lawgoons more, it should be anyone's one-stop shop for desperate, overeducated law students.
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Jun 10, 2011 03:40
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entris posted:Tomorrow afternoon I have my first real interview with a BigLaw firm, which I'm super super super excited about. We need to get booze before I move to Austin to go to Northsouthern.
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Jun 10, 2011 04:05
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Protip: Anyone who is an SA right now, get in touch with your HR people and see if Bloomberg Law is giving you (just SAs) free access this summer. Alternatively, apply to get into the beta. I got my code today and the interface is pretty nice. I haven't messed around with the treatises they have on it yet but I might check those out tomorrow. But the key is that it's free - no client input needed, no worries about accumulating unnecessary charges, you are free to dick around.
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Jun 10, 2011 04:33
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Abugadu posted:Trust me, the timing is awful on this end as well. Tell me about child support law. Admitted in 2 states, actual legal experience, current job getting eliminated soon. Hell, I applied to South Dakota.
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Jun 10, 2011 04:45
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nm posted:Tell me about child support law. You go to court once, maybe twice a week. Case load of 500-1200, not all actively going to court, so you're in there maybe 6 hours a week tops. No trials, most of the brain work is motion practice. Starting pay is just over 40k, but higher with experience, I think the pay schedule is in Guam's Title 4 somewhere. The life of a case is establishing paternity, getting an order, enforcing that order, cheering when the kid turns 18 if there's no arrears. Guam is better than South Dakota.
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Jun 10, 2011 05:10
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Abugadu posted:Have to have passed a bar somewhere. Aw, wait a few months!
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Jun 10, 2011 05:16
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Abugadu posted:You go to court once, maybe twice a week. Case load of 500-1200, not all actively going to court, so you're in there maybe 6 hours a week tops. Sounds low stress though, which is good.
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Jun 10, 2011 05:48
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nm posted:Is it actually interesting? Yes and no. If you're interested in legal theories, you can find stuff to get excited about. It's a big mishmash of administrative procedure and law, it's a constantly changing field, lots of international issues that are developing. Day to day, it's a little slower, with some mind-numbing data entry and accounting thrown in. But it is incredibly low stress, and you feel good about what you're doing, which I couldn't say about my firm job. Edit: Best part of this last year was watching an 81-year-old Filipino dude being slowly helped to the defendant's chair, and when I open the file, I see it's on for a genetic test. Some 30 year-old woman accused him of being the father of her kid. Turns out, he wasn't. I was hoping for a Jerry Springer style dance move, but he just kind of nodded and tottered back out. Abugadu fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jun 10, 2011 |
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Jun 10, 2011 06:13
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CaptainScraps posted:--An e-mail from a law school professor I received today. I don't think this is unfair. Grades are a means of ranking, not of measuring absolute performance.
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Jun 10, 2011 07:46
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So those late grades I was worried about? I don't know about everyone else, but I just got my worst grade in law school.
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Jun 10, 2011 08:32
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Neurosis posted:I don't think this is unfair. Grades are a means of ranking, not of measuring absolute performance. Kind of exactly why it's unfair.
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Jun 10, 2011 14:15
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Nero posted:So those late grades I was worried about? I don't know about everyone else, but I just got my worst grade in law school. Sorry bud. I'm still waiting on two myself. One I completely understand (busy guy, something about battling republicans in a far off land...), the other was a seminar with a whopping four people.
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Jun 10, 2011 15:01
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Abugadu posted:Kind of exactly why it's unfair. Only if you're actually learning something substantive, like math or engineering. In that case, your grade should reflect your level of objective knowledge of the subject. But in law school classes you aren't actually learning anything worthwhile. It's fantasy law and poo poo like common law evidence. The nicest way to put it is that you're learning the 'process' of learning actual law and turning that knowledge into legal analysis. That being the case, it's more important to use grades as a signaling device for employers about your relative ability to write, organize, etc.
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Jun 10, 2011 15:11
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Law school exams are a perfect way to test because the only things it really tests are your ability to study mundane things with no connection to the real world, contort facts to a particular position, and tolerance for long waits with underwhelming results. edit: ~qUoTeZ tImE~ quote:But there were other lessons [law school] taught me that I regret learning. I learned not to trust people; I learned not to believe what they say but to watch what they do; I learned to suspect that anyone and everyone is capable of "living a lie". I came to believe that other people - even when you think you know them well - are ultimately unknowable. Learning all this was a good basis for my subsequent career as [a lawyer], but not, I think, for life. It made me too wary, too cautious, too ungiving. I was damaged by my education. Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: I was damaged by my education. Omerta fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jun 10, 2011 |
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Jun 10, 2011 16:41
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Omerta posted:Law school exams are a perfect way to test because the only things it really tests are your ability to study mundane things with no connection to the real world, contort facts to a particular position, and tolerance for long waits with underwhelming results. No, that's being a lawyer. Law school is about being able to state that the hypothetical has no answer but policy dictates that it should go towards the professor's viewpoint.
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Jun 10, 2011 16:44
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NJ Deac posted:Good luck proving a deliberate decision to deceive post-Therasense. Also, I wonder if the finding of validity in view of a particular reference would carry over to the determination of invalidating the patent only "where the patentee’s misconduct resulted in the unfair benefit of receiving an unwarranted claim." Though there is a discussion in there about about different claim construction principles, etc. I was more referring to pre-therasense law - it kind of looks bad if you don't disclose the closest prior art, which happens to be yours. There is a case (dippin dots?) that says that withholding prior sales by the patentee is particularly egregious.
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Jun 10, 2011 16:50
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Picked up my JD today. Can I append Esq. to my name yet or is that once I'm licensed?
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Jun 11, 2011 00:36
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Picked up my JD today. Can I append Esq. to my name yet or is that once I'm licensed? Licensed, I believe.
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Jun 11, 2011 01:13
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Picked up my JD today. Can I append Esq. to my name yet or is that once I'm licensed? However, you can be censured by the bar if you use Esq. without owning a tweed 3-piece suit and a break-barrel shotgun.
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Jun 11, 2011 02:23
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Picked up my JD today. Can I append Esq. to my name yet or is that once I'm licensed? Esq. is an honorific that other people use when addressing you in written form, appending it to your own name in your own correspondence shows douchebaggery.
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Jun 11, 2011 02:56
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I agree with J Miracle. I've never appended Esq. to my own name. I've only had it attached to my name by other people communicating to me via written correspondence.
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Jun 11, 2011 05:17
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I would never actually do it outside Facebook or something.
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Jun 11, 2011 05:20
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J Miracle posted:Esq. is an honorific that other people use when addressing you in written form, appending it to your own name in your own correspondence shows douchebaggery. Yeah, for gently caress's sake. You don't put Esq. after your own name. It's not even an opinion.
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Omerta posted:Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: I was damaged by my education. Agreed. Law school loving sucks, and working in big law loving sucks even more. I had a nice cushy job as an engineer. And then I went to a T3 law school, got good grades, and am now a summer at a V25 law firm. I'm counting down the days until my 10 weeks are up because every single day at work is mindless torture and big law is complete, utter poo poo. And now I have no idea what I'm going to do after I graduate. Motherfucking sucks. Waste of my 3 years. edit: Someone update the flow chart in the OP to say that you shouldn't go to law school no matter what school you get in to. Just make the entire thing a giant "no." Wedesdo fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jun 11, 2011 |
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Jun 11, 2011 10:06
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i'm willing to bet quite a few goons in this very thread would be willing to murder you and wear your skin and take your big law job and potential offer
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Wedesdo posted:Agreed. Law school loving sucks, and working in big law loving sucks even more. Patent prosecution is pretty fun and you feel like you're helping people without loving over others, but then again you don't need a law degree to do it so your point stands.
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MoFauxHawk posted:Yeah, for gently caress's sake. You don't put Esq. after your own name. It's not even an opinion. i put Esq. after my name when playing games online, so I'm "Baruch Obamawitz, Esq."
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:i put Esq. after my name when playing games online, so I'm "Baruch Obamawitz, Esq." Epic douchebaggery; GTFO
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Wedesdo posted:Agreed. Law school loving sucks, and working in big law loving sucks even more. What's so bad about it? Is your firm working you that hard?
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