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It's possible that they stopped developing large weaponry because for a long, long time no titans came within the walls. They needed highly portable weapons because the only group that fought was the scouting legion that was not within the walls. As they would be fighting in relatively unknown territory, they needed a portable weapon with very high mobility.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:22 |
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The 3D system makes sense for no other reason than it allows the defenders to scale their own walls. If you imagine the giants as walls, it allows them to melee attack something taller than themselves. The real thing that doesn't add up to me is why they have to cut the neck. If they blow the head off, it regenerates. Well aim lower. Seems obvious. Hopefully, the writer has more to explain.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:32 |
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temple posted:The 3D system makes sense for no other reason than it allows the defenders to scale their own walls. If you imagine the giants as walls, it allows them to melee attack something taller than themselves. The real thing that doesn't add up to me is why they have to cut the neck. If they blow the head off, it regenerates. Well aim lower. Seems obvious. Hopefully, the writer has more to explain. Because the area is in the center of the lower neck, ie, from a lot angles that'd mean going through the chest cavity. Which is apparently fairly armored. I don't think they get many chances to hit them from behind. Also believe it or not, aiming a cannon is hard. Arms like that ultimately come down to luck whether it hits the target. I assume they do get lucky with them now and then, but perhaps not enough!
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:34 |
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temple posted:The 3D system makes sense for no other reason than it allows the defenders to scale their own walls. If you imagine the giants as walls, it allows them to melee attack something taller than themselves. The real thing that doesn't add up to me is why they have to cut the neck. If they blow the head off, it regenerates. Well aim lower. Seems obvious. Hopefully, the writer has more to explain.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:38 |
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In fact they even made a point about how they developed those big scattershot cannons that sometimes do enough damage to the neck to kill a titan when hitting them from the front, but not consistently enough to rely on them. And there are a fuckton of titans. Once they can get at you they just keep coming.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:38 |
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temple posted:The real thing that doesn't add up to me is why they have to cut the neck. It's not really a mystery any more though since that is exactly where Eren was sitting when he was a Titan. So obviously there are people at that spot, or remnants of people at least...
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:40 |
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Sindai posted:In fact they even made a point about how they developed those big scattershot cannons that sometimes do enough damage to the neck to kill a titan when hitting them from the front, but not consistently enough to rely on them. Bonus: Bisse posted:Since that is their weak point for an unknown reason which is a mystery! Which is part of what makes this manga so great, the unknown, mysteries!
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:42 |
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Bisse posted:Since that is their weak point for an unknown reason which is a mystery! Which is part of what makes this manga so great, the unknown, mysteries! Not necessarily the case. Correlation != causation, yo It may just be that that's the neural center of the Giants and functionally their brain, and Eren is just sitting in a giant's brain due to shenanigans
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:42 |
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Zorak posted:Because the area is in the center of the lower neck, ie, from a lot angles that'd mean going through the chest cavity. Which is apparently fairly armored. I don't think they get many chances to hit them from behind. Which all of this is a totally unneccesary explanation. Yes, aiming is hard. So is using a propane grapple hook scalpel attack. Whatever, every manga needs a gimmick. If the people from AotG were Americans, they drat well better be able to shoot the neck of giants.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 07:57 |
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temple posted:Yeah. I figure if I was a giant and I knew I could regenerate, then I'd lower my chin. That way the force of the shot would be distributed along my skull and maybe spare my neck or take off the neck and head in one piece (allowing the lower body to be regenerated). Its like when a street fighter take a blow on the top of his head because of the thickness of the skull. You seem to have missed this, so I'm going to be clear. For the last hundred years, no combat was done within the walls. They were going out to fight the titans in titan controlled land. They need a way to get behind titans (i.e., mobility increasing equipment) and a way to escape from behind or near titans (i.e., mobility increasing equipment). Titans are fast and strong. The humans need to be able to get in, kill them, and get out. Also titans are way too stupid to block anything. They walked into a wall of spikes and got stuck. These are not high level thinkers.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 08:04 |
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Living inside a city for 100 years probably severely limits the resources you have to develop weapons with. They have what is clearly an unlimited supply for natural gas for their fighting method but making gunpowder could be very hard or rare. Its still a pretty pointless argument to be having though.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 12:13 |
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Elysiume posted:Have you seen how much flesh they need to remove? They would need to develop very powerful grenade launchers instead of just rifles. Or maybe machine guns. Jose posted:Its still a pretty pointless argument to be having though. Nobody is going to dispute that.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 15:22 |
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Not to mention, as Rakugoon put it:Rakugoon posted:Yeah, and Britain would have won the Crimean War so easily if they had just built B-52s.
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 17:16 |
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I've found some cool fanart!
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# ? Jun 11, 2011 22:34 |
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The first one owns so loving hard. I hope this manga sells (another) million copies.
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# ? Jun 12, 2011 19:31 |
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It's been mentioned that this series bears a lot of resemblance to Knights of Sidonia in its tone. The other thing it makes me think of is The Night Land by William Hope Hodgeson, in that everything is just completely hopeless. They live inside a fortress that they understand little of and can't repair, besieged by an enemy they are incapable of understanding due to its alien nature. The slightest break down in order means certain, horrific death for thousands of people. It's pretty depressing. The Night Land would actually make an awesome manga....
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# ? Jun 14, 2011 05:55 |
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Illuyankas posted:I'm looking forward to finding out how the sixty metre tall titan can move so fast and so quietly, that it can appear and disappear next to a heavily guarded wall without anyone noticing.
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 01:08 |
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I smell the serum's alpha tester.
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 04:24 |
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if all the giants have people in them, why are female giants so rare? and why would there be nearly human sized giants?
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 04:38 |
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Well I can't think of any reason why the titans would have to reflect the gender of the human inside them. Have there been any female giants? I can't remember any. If not, I imagine the giants aren't really supposed to have a sex. As for the latter question, I guess not all titans are created equal? Maybe the person inside the titan determines it's strength/size?
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 04:44 |
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TheAtomicMan posted:if all the giants have people in them, why are female giants so rare? and why would there be nearly human sized giants?
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 05:08 |
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They specifically said that there are both male and female-esque giants, even if they're sex-less, though female-like ones are much rarer. Also I think it's kind of silly to assume literally every giant has a human in them, if only because we have literally no evidence beyond one case at this point, possibly two if the larger one is the same (given its ability to appear and vanish rapidly)
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 05:10 |
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The male:female ratio is pretty interesting because it hints that the population the giants are created from is mostly male, which makes me think criminals.
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 05:27 |
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This story reminds me of Bokurano, except I hated that and don't mind this for whatever reason.
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# ? Jun 16, 2011 05:44 |
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Whoa, I just stumbled onto this and I'm hooked. It has been a long time since any manga has interested me, great!
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 04:57 |
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Gave it a try and got hooked. This is so messed up.
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 17:12 |
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I think the giant titan has a regular titan in it's neck! That has an evil human inside it's neck!! it's the MC's father
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 20:56 |
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Allright so let's recap then: Colossal Titan: Probably has a human in it. Gatecrasher Titan: Probably has a human in it. Other Titans: Most likely don't have humans in them, unless we want to make this even more depressing. The actions of the Colossal Titan would seem to be that of either a general, signalling this assault for his soldiers but never actually engaging, and a researcher, studying the reactions of the humans. Because he has a set purpose in attacking the sole weak-points in the walls, those being the gates, we can assume he has, if not some sort of intelligence of his own, then at least the ability to follow or conceive specific instructions. He also attacks Eren, but doesn't seem consumed by the need to destroy humans by devouring them that other titans have. Nor does the Gatecrasher Titan, who simply appeared in a furious charge to destroy wall Maria before assumedly dissapearing, and seems to be the only one capable of doing so. So we can assume, having seen how these two work in tandem to complete their mission of destroying the outer civilization that there is some form of either master intelligence behind them, or they are evolving into a race capable of some form of intelligence. Either way it was probably a good choice on the authors behalf not to actually delve to deeply into the first appearance of the titans yet, because I don't buy for a second the conceit that a post-industrial world of humans would have problems vanquishing the 8-15 footers, unless there was some military or nation helping them.
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 21:17 |
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Nilbop posted:Colossal Titan: Probably has a human in it. These are the same thing?
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 21:22 |
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No, the Colossal Titan is the big one. The Gatecrasher is the smaller one that charges through the gate as everyone is evacuating. It's actually referred to as the more pressing danger because it can smash through the stronger walls, as opposed to merely the gates. http://www.mangareader.net/shingeki-no-kyojin/2/28 It's referred to later as a distinct creature from the larger one, who obviously gets more screen time devoted to him.
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 21:31 |
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Huh. While most (all?) of the other titans have humanish mouths, both Titan-Eren and the Gatecrasher have that weird angled cheek split thing going on (Eren/Gatecrasher)
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# ? Jun 17, 2011 22:24 |
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^^^ There also seems to be a big difference between the titans with no muscle tone and pot-bellies and the ones with more muscle (which seem far less common and include the big one). For the record, the ones with pot-bellies scare the gently caress out of me. Zorak posted:They specifically said that there are both male and female-esque giants, even if they're sex-less, though female-like ones are much rarer. While it's of course silly to be sure it's true, there's a hell of a lot that indicates it. It's far more likely that it's true than it isn't, because it fully explains a couple mysteries without any contradictions. And they've also made *wink wink* suggestions that humans fighting each other is as bad as titans fighting humans, indicating the titans have some human "base." Not only that, but I hope it's the case, because I can't think of any other explanation that wouldn't be silly. Take the neck weakness: they hinted VERY strongly that titans die when you attack that area because that is where the human inside them is. It's far more likely that's the case than it's just some crazy coincidence and they have neural tissue there. Not to mention the whole titan disappearing thing being because it turned back into a person. The only alternatives would have to be silliness that they make up along the way, and I don't get that impression from this author/series so far. What strikes me the most about this series is that it's able to make me feel really scared for the characters. I got a cold sweat when his mom gets eaten, largely because it showed her freaking out after they left, rather than more typically "dying in peace," like most characters in media tend to do once they've saved their family/loved ones. Some of the death scenes are really hosed up, and the dull ambivalence of the titans is far scarier than if they were openly malevolent/angry. edit: Also want to agree with the people who explained why the up close 3d maneuvering is required to fight them. They use the shotgun cannon to slow them down and get occasional lucky hits, but like Zorak mentioned it's pretty much impossible to accurately aim a cannon to that extent. The only technology that I wonder about is explosives. They obviously have gunpowder, and it seems like a big explosion would take out their weak point in the process, making a "lure them all to a mass of people and set off a big bomb" strategy viable. The "they hadn't been attacked in 100 years" explanation makes some sense, though, since an explosive would only be useful on the offense (or offense as a defense). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jun 18, 2011 |
# ? Jun 18, 2011 01:41 |
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Ytlaya posted:While it's of course silly to be sure it's true, there's a hell of a lot that indicates it. It's far more likely that it's true than it isn't, because it fully explains a couple mysteries without any contradictions. And they've also made *wink wink* suggestions that humans fighting each other is as bad as titans fighting humans, indicating the titans have some human "base." Except we've seen them carved open at that point without any human inside. Like the only way that could be the case is if you argue that there used to be humans in them all and they atrophied, at which point the whole piloted thing is pointless since it's more of a human-as-seed than human-as-pilot like we see in the other case. It also diminishes the importance/ notability of the special cases.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 01:47 |
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Also, you seem to greatly overestimate the ability of explosives to actually destroy something that they just happen to be set off next to. Titans seem to hardly be bothered by getting knocked around or losing big hunks of tissue other than their neck. Setting off a bomb next to one might knock them flat and maybe cause some nasty wounds if there's a good bit of shrapnel, but if would take a pretty drat good blast to reliably kill a bunch of titans. Generally, if you want to be sure you destroy something tough, you set off the explosion inside it, which would require some fancy guided missile stuff that's way over these guys' heads.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 02:18 |
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So, who knows a guy who knows a guy who does work on this scanlating it? Maybe if I threw a fiver someone would scanlate it?
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 02:47 |
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GreenBuckanneer posted:So, who knows a guy who knows a guy who does work on this scanlating it? Maybe if I threw a fiver someone would scanlate it? This makes me wonder if there's any sort of Crunchyroll-esque manga service where you can support the authors and read manga in very high quality translations but without buying actual manga physical copies. And if not why the hell not? Somewhat of a tangent I know, but I just want more Advance of the Giants too.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:09 |
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GreenBuckanneer posted:So, who knows a guy who knows a guy who does work on this scanlating it? Maybe if I threw a fiver someone would scanlate it? He's already working on the next volume. Patience.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 04:03 |
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Zorak posted:Except we've seen them carved open at that point without any human inside. Have we actually though? We've seen people like Mikasa and the Lieutenant slash off a large junk of muscle and sinew there, but we've never focused more than that. Looking at how Eren was stuck in there so securely, it's hardly likely we'd see an arm or limb flailing about, and we're not likely to see a Titan to dissect for a while considering they disappear so quickly. In all likelihood it's probably going to be a rather major reveal later in the manga, and there's no reason for the author to do anything other than tease the idea like he has with Eren.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 05:00 |
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Zorak posted:He's already working on the next volume. Patience. Unless someone fibbed, there are raws out, but not scanlated completely. That's more or less what I was kvetchin about.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 05:13 |
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# ? May 16, 2024 18:49 |
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Unless someone fibbed, there are raws out, but not scanlated completely. That's more or less what I was kvetchin about. There is a volume raw out for Volume 4 and the group is working on it, as I understand it. So again, patience.
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# ? Jun 18, 2011 05:29 |