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Cemetry Gator posted:I hate to break it to you: go to your local high school, and ask the highschoolers if they know who any Smashing Pumpkins songs. I don't know if the age difference matters, but most ~20-year old people I've met are pretty familiar with 90s bands. A lot of them started off the same way you or I did- listening to contemporary (2000s) music as a teenager, and then going backward and listening to those bands' influences from the 90s, and so on. I've run into people who learned about the Smashing Pumpkins from listening to the Silversun Pickups, for instance. Of course there are going to be people with their heads completely up their asses, especially people who aren't really music lovers, but by and large I haven't run into too many situations in which I've been speaking in Greek about 90s music. an oddly awful oud fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 3, 2011 |
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I think if anything kids nowadays(ugh feels really depressing to say that) are more knowledgeable about music from past decades because of, I hate to say it, Rock Band/Guitar Hero. Kids in the 90s seemed more concerned about just the 90s.
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May 3, 2011 14:34
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I like Owata. The keyboards are kind of weird though.
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May 3, 2011 15:44
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http://img.laweekly.com/player/?i=6286550 should be a direct link to Owata (what is this track called?!) LtTennisBall fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 3, 2011 |
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May 3, 2011 15:52
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LtTennisBall posted:http://img.laweekly.com/player/?i=6286550 Oh, I get it. Owata. As in 'Owata beautiful night'. I'm not minding this at all. Doesn't sound like the Pumpkins, but that doesn't mean it's bad.
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May 3, 2011 15:55
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Ok that makes sense. The link that the SP Facebook page gave named the song "Otawa" and I got really confused.
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May 3, 2011 16:55
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Owata. As in 'Owata beautiful night'. I'm not minding this at all. Doesn't sound like the Pumpkins, but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's a pretty good song. I have to say that they've always been eclectic, and that's part of what set them apart in the grunge era. Take "Tonight, Tonight," it's orchestral. It's not orchestral in the sense of "Here's a rock song with a string section providing accents," no, it's orchestral in the grand pop sense. Then "1979" was a straight pop song. And they could still rock hard.
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May 3, 2011 17:13
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I think it definitely has a Smashing Pumpkins sound to it. I'm liking it a lot.
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May 3, 2011 17:19
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Cemetry Gator posted:I hate to break it to you: go to your local high school, and ask the highschoolers if they know who any Smashing Pumpkins songs. Well, if it's any consolation, I graduated high school in 07 and the Pumpkins were my favorite band for most of my time there.
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May 4, 2011 01:22
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Am I really the only one that thinks Cemetry Gator sounds like an rear end in a top hat?
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Bubble-T posted:Am I really the only one that thinks Cemetry Gator sounds like an rear end in a top hat? To be brutally honest, I'm probably coming off as a massive dick. And that's not my intention. I was just trying to relay a story about one of those harsh realities of life - the things that were massive when you were younger just aren't that big or important to a lot of people. I don't doubt that there are still a lot of 13-year-olds who listen to the Smashing Pumpkins, but I also realize that the stuff that was the center of my coming of age means nothing to a lot of people. Trust me, I can tell the tale with a variety of bands and songs, including "You Get What You Give" by the New Radicals, "Breakfast at Tiffanys" by Deep Blue Something, and Lit's LP, "A Place in the Sun." The Smashing Pumpkins are a band where a lot of younger people I know who don't listen to rock music are aware of. And by younger, I mean like 16 and 17 (I work retail, so I deal with a few of them). But it comes from a genuine love for the band. To me, they feel like the last real rock stars. They feel like the last band that really had the full visual package, a unique and vary sound, and great songs to back it up. (PS - I embellished the story a little bit. I didn't actually tell her I'd fire her if she didn't listen to the band, and she later left of her own volition, I was just trying to make an Office reference. But the comment about the Electric Prunes really did happen.)
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May 4, 2011 04:41
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Huh, haven't payed attention to this project since Widow Wake My Mind, but quite a lot of these songs are pretty good. It all sounds a lot like Pisces Iscariot and MACHINA I. Also, Zwan re-release? gently caress yeah, Jesus, I/Mary Star of the Sea is the best drat song to jam on
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Propaganda Hour posted:Jesus, I/Mary Star of the Sea is the best drat song to jam on Now listen to The Width of a Circle by David Bowie
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Propaganda Hour posted:Also, Zwan re-release? gently caress yeah, Jesus, I/Mary Star of the Sea is the best drat song to jam on I'm glad Billy isn't letting anything out to dry. I mean, even at his worst, he had such an ear for melody and songwriting that there were always a few diamonds in the rough. Honestly, once I got over the idea of the "new" Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist doesn't seem so bad. Sure, the mixing is still terrible, but there are a few good songs. I wonder if a few years down the road will help Zwan out, and help people see it in a different light.
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Cemetry Gator posted:I was just trying to make an Office reference. Oh right.. I didn't get that at all.
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May 4, 2011 04:51
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Like the new song, but drat, what's up with the candy-coated synths all over everything? The middle 8 sounds the best because those keyboards are gone. It just makes everything sound like: "Hey! We want to break into the J-Rock demographic!"
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Cemetry Gator posted:I'm glad Billy isn't letting anything out to dry. I mean, even at his worst, he had such an ear for melody and songwriting that there were always a few diamonds in the rough. Honestly, once I got over the idea of the "new" Smashing Pumpkins, Zeitgeist doesn't seem so bad. Sure, the mixing is still terrible, but there are a few good songs. I wonder if a few years down the road will help Zwan out, and help people see it in a different light. I thought it was good. Like, really good.  I still do, actually!
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May 4, 2011 22:02
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I loved Zwan. Jesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea is one of my favorite Corgan pieces, period.
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Rolling Stone Interview: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/billy-corgan-talks-smashing-pumpkins-reissues-20110505quote:What kind of bonus material will be on the upcoming reissues?
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Also from the interview, and I'm paraphrasing, "Holy gently caress, I'm never working with James or D'Arcy ever again. Ever. Again.'
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The new song is pretty great. I really like where this project is going. I just wish they would release stuff more frequently.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Also from the interview, and I'm paraphrasing, "Holy gently caress, I'm never working with James or D'Arcy ever again. Ever. Again.' We've known that for a long time now already. He's repeated it ever since he put the Smashing Pumpkins back together. At least it seems like he Jimmy are still on good terms at least.
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Actually he had said that he'd invited James to join the band but he'd declined. At least James seems to be a fixture in APC now, so he's actually doing something with himself. D'Arcy is just getting arrested.
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I hope that Oceania comes out like Foo Fighter's 'Wasting Light'. I know Billy's very much 'always moving forward' and I really respect that, but look what the FF did with their new stuff? gently caress, for me, this is right up there with the first two albums. I want the groovy pumpkins back. Not necessarily loud and screamy (though that too, at least in parts). But you know how you can just groove to their old stuff? I want some more of that.
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As far as remastering goes, MCIS could possibly benefit - some of the songs are a little too muddy for my liking, like some of the awesome drumming on Jellybelly is kinda pushed to the back and indistinct. Some VERY careful tweaking could really make things shine without changing the actual sound and feel of the songs. Unless of course Billy's planning on trying to be Mastering Engineer himself, in which case 
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^ Indeed ^ I was listening to stuff from my collection the other day and a song from Mellon Collie came on. I was surprised by how low in volume and muddy it sounded. But I wonder how they're going to handle that. Songs like "XYU" and "Tales of a Scorched Earth" would sound awesome remastered. Not sure about stuff like "We only come out at night" - that Auto-Harp is really loud in the mix, and the vocals are too. I'm definitely excited for these remasters, actually! And maybe when the Gish bonus disc comes out, we'll finally hear the studio version of "Jesus Loves his Babies". That's a rad song, and supposedly nobody's ever heard the studio version. Edit: Never mind. Just found it on YouTube... Use Less fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 26, 2011 |
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May 26, 2011 21:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgVGUXXVnag I remember catching this on YTV of all places (Canadian kids channel) some Saturday afternoon, they were broadcasting the whole concert. This and Porcelina were amazing to see. Would have loved to have been there, live.
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Use Less posted:Songs like "XYU" and "Tales of a Scorched Earth" would sound awesome remastered. Not sure about stuff like "We only come out at night" - that Auto-Harp is really loud in the mix, and the vocals are too. Mellon Collie was the first CD I ever bought and I gave it hundreds of listens as a teen and back then it sounded fine to my young ears, but man a lot of that album, ToaSE in particular, is hard to tolerate now. Then again, a lot of his new stuff is being cluttered with unnecessary synth stuff so I'm leery of a remastering working out well.
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As an audio engineer/sound designer, I actually have no problem with ToaSE/XYU. It's like the distortion on 'Love'; that's what they're going for, and I doubt they'd let that slip past them unless it was meant to. They definitely sound all messed up, but I like it. That being said, I still would love a remaster of Machina II. Some of those songs are ROUGH, and I know that had it seen a full, commercial release, we would've gotten nice sounding tracks. Hard to imagine if Real Love would've been fixed, because I'm so used to its messy sound. EDIT: That reminds me of when my best friend and I got MCIS on cassette one year for Christmas (we bought it for each other, kind of silly). I was listening to it (and having my mind absolutely loving blown away) and got to 'Love', and was wondering why it sounded like poo poo. Took out the tape, looked at it to make sure there were no creases or anything. I was young, and didn't realize that messed up tape would cause warping and skipping before fuzz. Anyway, I'm kind of worried because, hey, my gift might be ruined. I went over to his place a little while later, and before I get to mention it, he says he's got to ask me something. He puts on 'Love' and says 'Should I bring this tape back to the store, or do you think I should just keep it?' Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Jun 19, 2011 |
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Jun 19, 2011 12:13
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZemTcTyJKs&feature=player_embedded Billy shows off his pedal collection
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Is it wrong that I stopped the video twice to put those settings on my Big Muff and Electric Mistress for dicking around with during practice later?
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Jun 19, 2011 20:11
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I did that with my Big Muff when Billy posted the settings on Kerry's blog forever ago. Speaking of the Electric Mistress, is it nice? I was thinking about getting one.
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It's tricky. I'm not a very good guitarist, so there's probably way more performance that can be wrung out of it than I can on my lonesome---the settings mentioned in that video end up with a very tight pulsar effect, something akin to a Leslie on Fast, which doesn't help me much, since I play rhythm---I usually use the Mistress as something more akin to a slow phaser/chorus. (Edit: That is, if I got the knobs in the right places---technically, I have an Electric Mistress Deluxe, which has the same body as the Clone Theory shown earlier in the video, so I don't know if I translated where the zero points are on the knobs of the standard Mistress in the video to where they are on my EMD.) hexwren fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jun 20, 2011 |
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Allen Wren posted:It's tricky. I'm not a very good guitarist, so there's probably way more performance that can be wrung out of it than I can on my lonesome---the settings mentioned in that video end up with a very tight pulsar effect, something akin to a Leslie on Fast, which doesn't help me much, since I play rhythm---I usually use the Mistress as something more akin to a slow phaser/chorus. Anyone using Logic Pro 9 Amp Designer/Pedalboard and/or Amplitube 3 that can advise me on what knock-off pedals in those programs would best match these? I know the Big Pig (or something, not at my music computer right now) in A3 is the knock-off of the Big Muff... but I'm not sure about the rest. I'd love to mimic their sound through those.
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TOASE sounds loving awesome. They had to leave the room during the recording of the solo and that's exactly how it sounds on the CD. If it sounds bad you're not listening to it loud enough!
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TOASE is a stain on Mellon Collie, and one of the worst Pumpkins songs in general. I like heavy Pumpkins but that poo poo does not cut it.
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SORRY CAN'T HEAR YOU GRANDAD I don't know why they didn't play it live, this guy makes it look easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxckD75sV2M
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I like Tales of a Scorched Earth. But then, I love Mellon Collie to a ridiculous degree. I listened to it seemingly daily in junior year of high school.
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the Bunt posted:TOASE is a stain on Mellon Collie, and one of the worst Pumpkins songs in general. I like heavy Pumpkins but that poo poo does not cut it. Could be worse. Could be the remix of Heavy Metal Machine off of Machina 2. That poo poo makes me want to die, and M2 is one of my favorite Pumpkins albums. (...mostly on the strength of the poppier efforts like Go, Speed Kills and Home, but still. There's worse heavy stuff than Tales.)
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Machina II is easily one of the best Pumpkins albums. It's a shame not many have heard it. Hopefully the rerelease in a couple years changes that.
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