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Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

Intelligence is measured in how many big words you use, don't you know.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 02:57

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# ? May 14, 2024 03:16

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

quote:

He who warned uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed.

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level is 21.0. Apparently, it's not just how big the words are, but how many of them there are per sentence.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:06

crime fighting hog: Jun 29, 2006; I only pray, Heaven knows when to lift you out

XyloJW posted:

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level is 21.0. Apparently, it's not just how big the words are, but how many of them there are per sentence.

That lady's a freakin genius!

# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:08

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

XyloJW posted:

Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level is 21.0. Apparently, it's not just how big the words are, but how many of them there are per sentence.

Particularly, it's average words per sentence and average syllables per word, with each contributing separately to the calculated grade level. It's a readability index, not an intelligence index - a high number doesn't mean the sentence is smart, it means it's hard to read. (Although, of course, complex thoughts do tend to result in higher indices.)

quote:

The specific mathematical formula is:

FKRA = (0.39 x ASL) + (11.8 x ASW) - 15.59

Where,

FKRA = Flesch-Kincaid Reading Age

ASL = Average Sentence Length (i.e., the number of words divided by the number of sentences)

ASW = Average number of Syllable per Word (i.e., the number of syllables divided by the number of words)

# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:21

JerkyBunion: Jun 22, 2002

Strudel Man posted:

Particularly, it's average words per sentence and average syllables per word, with each contributing separately to the calculated grade level. It's a readability index, not an intelligence index - a high number doesn't mean the sentence is smart, it means it's hard to read. (Although, of course, complex thoughts do tend to result in higher indices.)

It's funny because, to any extent that it can, that sort of proves her detractors' point.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:22

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Miss Fats posted:

It's funny because, to any extent that it can, that sort of proves her detractors' point.

Indeed. A great communicator is one who expresses complex thoughts simply, not one who weighs down simple thoughts with unnecessary complexity.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 03:24

tek79: Jun 16, 2008

Enjoy posted:

Sarah Palin's critics routinely mock her intellect, so when the state of Alaska released 24,000 emails she wrote while serving as governor, "AOL Weird News," an offbeat component of AOL.com, had a representative sample analyzed to see how well she wrote. They expected the results to confirm their anti-Palin bias, but they were in for a surprise.

Far from being an illiterate bumpkin, the standard Flesch-Kincaid readability test showed that Ms. Palin's emails were written at an 8.5 grade level. This was "an excellent score for a chief executive," AOLWN reported. To put some perspective on this number, Martin Luther King's August 1963 "I Have a Dream" speech -- much more heavily edited than Ms. Palin's emails -- ranked at 8.8 on the same scale, while Lincoln's Gettysburg Address came in at 9.1.

A study by Smart Politics on the readability ratings of recent State of the Union addresses also showed Ms. Palin in good company. President George H.W. Bush's average SOTU score was 8.6. Bill Clinton came in at 9.5. Ronald Reagan, who like Ms. Palin was heavily criticized by liberals and regarded as a doddering old fool, logged an impressive 10.3 rating. And George W. Bush, who earned even more left-wing contempt than Mr. Reagan, if that's possible, edged the Great Communicator with a10.4 ranking.

Then there is President Obama, heralded as the smartest president and the most gifted orator in living memory, but whose 2008 "Yes we can!" victory speech came in at a comparatively anemic Flesch-Kincaid rating of 7.4. Some numbers just speak for themselves.

The

here, or a way to respond if it ever comes in a Fwd:FWD:Fwd: is to note that the person who wrote the Washington Times article scores a whopping 5.90 on the Flesch-Kinkaid Grade Level. Way below Obama. Proof that Palin supporters are all idiots? Some numbers just speak for themselves I guess.

Source: http://www.addedbytes.com/lab/readability-score/

And as others have noted, the Flesch-Kinkaid has gently caress all to do with intelligence and can change dramatically depending on what text you're sampling. The same person can score all over the place from paragraph to paragraph and comparing emails to public speeches is misleading (context, speeches compressed for simplicity etc.)

# ? Jun 18, 2011 15:28

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Check out this 5th grade level sentence:

quote:

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.

~~It's actually 1st grade level after you stick punctuation in!~~
Edit:
Stupid mistake

Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jun 18, 2011

# ? Jun 18, 2011 17:47

Strudel Man: May 19, 2003; ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Check out this 5th grade level sentence:

It's actually 1st grade level after you stick punctuation in!

Wait, what? Unless the punctuation includes periods, it shouldn't change the calculated reading level.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 19:13

JoshTheStampede: Sep 8, 2004; come at me bro

yaoi prophet posted:

Intelligence is measured in how many big words you use, don't you know.

Is it also measured by how many of those big words you just make up?

# ? Jun 18, 2011 19:19

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Strudel Man posted:

Wait, what? Unless the punctuation includes periods, it shouldn't change the calculated reading level.

You're right, I accidentally stuck a period in there where it didn't belong.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 19:19

LoveMeDead: Feb 16, 2011

Oh, mom...

quote:

Just passing it along....

IN MEMORIAM

This week the University of Kentucky removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it "offended" the Muslim population, which claims it never occurred. This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. It is now more than 60 years since the Second World War in Europe ended.

This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the German and Russian peoples looking the other way!

Now more than ever, with Iran among others claiming the Holocaust to be "a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!
Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us distribute it around the world.

Please send this e-mail to 10 people you know and ask them to continue the memorial chain.

Please don't just delete it.
It will only take you a minute to pass this along.

And the snopes link I sent her back... http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/holocaust.asp

# ? Jun 18, 2011 22:20

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

Six million Jews and 10 million Christians? Really? There were more Christians killed during the Holocaust than Jews?

# ? Jun 18, 2011 23:35

the yellow dart: Jul 19, 2004; King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

XyloJW posted:

Six million Jews and 10 million Christians? Really? There were more Christians killed during the Holocaust than Jews?

It looks like the Holocaust just means everyone who died in WWII. It is important to remember, however, that many millions besides Jews also died in camps, but the email is still ridiculous.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 23:43

JerkyBunion: Jun 22, 2002

I love that the original e-mail was about the United Kingdom and some loving idiot, probably in Kentucky, got it and was like "WHAT?!!?! AT ARE GREAT INSTITUTION OF SPORTS AND LERNIN?! NOT AT MY UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY! GO UK!"

# ? Jun 18, 2011 23:45

Vivian Darkbloom: Jul 14, 2004

The Russians were all atheists, so I don't know how they made it in to that one.

# ? Jun 18, 2011 23:49

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

the yellow dart posted:

It looks like the Holocaust just means everyone who died in WWII. It is important to remember, however, that many millions besides Jews also died in camps, but the email is still ridiculous.

I know that many people besides Jews died in the Holocaust, but the fact that they felt the need to claim that more Christians were murdered than Jews is boggling my mind. Like, they're so desperate for a persecution complex that they're trying to take the Holocaust and make it about them.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 00:02

Z-Magic: Feb 19, 2011; They talk about the people and the proletariat, I talk about the suckers and the mugs - it's the same thing. They have their five-year plans, so have I.

Other groups targeted in the holocaust include:

Gypsies
The Mentally and Physically Handicapped
Communists
Freemasons
Homosexuals
Jehovah's Witnesses

Oddly enough there's no mention of them in the email :iiam:

Z-Magic fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 19, 2011

# ? Jun 19, 2011 00:04

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

Z-Magic posted:

Other groups targeted in the holocaust include:

Gypsies
The Mentally and Physically Handicapped
Communists
Freemasons
Homosexuals
Jehovah's Witnesses

Oddly enough there's no mention of them in the email

They are included in "Russians" (except for the 10 million Jehovah's Witnesses who were killed, obviously)

Wait, do Jobos count as Christians? Maybe they are secretly Russians, too

# ? Jun 19, 2011 00:48

Shimrra Jamaane: Aug 10, 2007; Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

XyloJW posted:

Six million Jews and 10 million Christians? Really? There were more Christians killed during the Holocaust than Jews?

The Holocaust is usually estimated at 11 million total dead, with 6 million of them being Jews. So at most there could have only been 5 million Christians. But since those 5 million included Gypsies (not Christians), Poles (Maybe Christian? Probably not the "right" Christians though), and Soviet prisoners of war (Not Christian) I don't know what the gently caress.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 02:06

RagnarokAngel: Oct 5, 2006; Black Magic Extraordinaire

Poles were/are mostly Catholic arent they? Not that in anyway makes the "10 million" work out but that'd hardly be considered the "Wrong one" by most.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 04:49

JerkyBunion: Jun 22, 2002

Ok let's drop the "That many people didn't die in the holocaust!" thing.

It's pretty clear to me that they were talking about all the the massacres under the Nazis and USSR. I'm not saying their numbers gel but it's pretty clear they weren't talking about only the holocaust.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 06:51

Ashcans: Jan 2, 2006; Let's do the space-time warp again!

RagnarokAngel posted:

Poles were/are mostly Catholic arent they? Not that in anyway makes the "10 million" work out but that'd hardly be considered the "Wrong one" by most.

I don't know. I used to live in Georgia, and people would regularly make a distinction between 'Christians' and 'Catholics'. As in 'Most of my friends are Christian, but Jimmy is Catholic'.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 12:18

Ohthehugemanatee: Oct 18, 2005

Ashcans posted:

I don't know. I used to live in Georgia, and people would regularly make a distinction between 'Christians' and 'Catholics'. As in 'Most of my friends are Christian, but Jimmy is Catholic'.

Yeah, living in the south was eye opening in terms of how horrific the anti-Catholic bias can get, and how poorly educated most people are about the origins of their faiths. I've had discussions with people who were honestly perplexed as to why I might consider Catholics Christian.

I try to explain those conversations in the midwest and everyone thinks I'm joking.

# ? Jun 19, 2011 15:03

babies havin rabies: Feb 24, 2006

Math is beautiful (if you speak English)

"CLICK YOUR MOUSE HERE:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=h60r2HPsiuM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

# ? Jun 19, 2011 17:05

JerkyBunion: Jun 22, 2002

babies havin rabies posted:

Math is beautiful (if you speak English)

"CLICK YOUR MOUSE HERE:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=h60r2HPsiuM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It's a Mathematical certainty!

code:

P  r  a  i  s  e    A  l  l  a  h!
16+18+1+ 9+19+ 5+   1+ 12+12+1+ 8 = 102%

# ? Jun 19, 2011 17:26

sheri: Dec 30, 2002

Miss Fats posted:

It's a Mathematical certainty!
code:
P  r  a  i  s  e    A  l  l  a  h!
16+18+1+ 9+19+ 5+   1+ 12+12+1+ 8 = 102%

Ha! Amazing!

# ? Jun 19, 2011 17:35

Sense and Motion: Jan 9, 2011; Laughter, I said, is madness.

babies havin rabies posted:

Math is beautiful (if you speak English)

"CLICK YOUR MOUSE HERE:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=h60r2HPsiuM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Please, let's not do the "heh, those theists :smug:

" thing in this thread and dump this kind of stuff here. There's nothing political or even crazy in that video-- as silly as it is, it's not meant to be taken seriously, as in, I really doubt the person who made the video or anyone who resends it believes that there is some sort of mystical, numerological significance to "attitude = 100%". With or without the God part, the thing is just one of those generic "inspirational" messages that are popular in forwards.

edit: Why do I even read YouTube comments?... The amount of people taking this seriously and raging over it is more ridiculous than the video itself.

Sense and Motion fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 20, 2011

# ? Jun 20, 2011 07:29

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The Holocaust is usually estimated at 11 million total dead, with 6 million of them being Jews. So at most there could have only been 5 million Christians. But since those 5 million included Gypsies (not Christians), Poles (Maybe Christian? Probably not the "right" Christians though), and Soviet prisoners of war (Not Christian) I don't know what the gently caress.

Uhmm, the Roma are mostly Christian as far as I know, specifically Catholic and Orthodox and the Polish are overwhelmingly Catholic, they even had a pope.

# ? Jun 20, 2011 12:54

babies havin rabies: Feb 24, 2006

Sense and Motion posted:

edit: Why do I even read YouTube comments?... The amount of people taking this seriously and raging over it is more ridiculous than the video itself.

That's exactly what I was about to point to. I'm sure my grandmother didn't send it to me in any seriousness as she's far and away from whack-job Evangelical grandparent territory (additionally my grandfather is a mathematician). I believe that when possible we should always mock exceptionalism regardless of the source.

babies havin rabies fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jun 20, 2011

# ? Jun 20, 2011 14:52

SteveVizsla: Mar 19, 2009; Why do I always want to sock it to you so hard?

These have probably been posted here before, but I'm way behind on this thread and need to vent.

2 weeks ago I got this one:

quote:

Los Angeles on May Day co sponsored by the SEIU Service Employees
International Union...

One of the biggest spenders in Obama's arsenal.

Please take the time to click the link to all of Ringo's pictures and watch
the videos. I checked with Snopes....no mention, but it's a real event that
few are revealing.

We are in deep trouble when stuff like this is withheld in the MSM.

_____

KISS YOUR FREEDOM GOODBYE.

THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND THEY MEAN BUSINESS.

While we slept... Pictures taken downtown Los Angeles on May Day co
sponsored by the SEIU and various Communist groups.

Look at the pictures below.were they taken in Cuba? Venezuela? Bolivia?
Ecuador, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Argentina, maybe Puerto Rico? [No pics were attached]

Nope.Los Angeles, USA just a few days ago.this is what happened while we
slept.while we went to school, went to work, while we raised our families.
While we watched CNN or CBS, ABC or NBC or listened to NPR or read the New
York Times and never saw, read or heard a minute of coverage of this
travesty.while we let our guard down and we let the
Marxist/Socialist/Communist Left and Progressives creep into our schools,
the unions, the media and our government.banners and posters with the images
of Ernesto "Che" Guevara (Castro's executioner) and Lenin would make Fidel
Castro, Joe Stalin or Karl Marx proud to be an American!

A May Day rally in Los Angeles, co-sponsored
<http://www.answercoalition.org/la/news/tens-of-thousands-march-on.html> by
the SEIU and various communist groups, as well as other unions, reflected
yet another step in the normalization of self-identified communist and
socialist ideologies in the Obama era. Not only did the SEIU help to
organize the rally in conjunction with communists, they marched side-by-side
with communists, while union members carried communist flags, communists
carried union signs, and altogether there was no real way to tell the two
apart.
Southern California citizen journalist and photographer "Ringo" was on hand
to record the day's events, and posted a full-length photo essay on his site
Ringo's <http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501> Pictures.
To bring this important photo essay to a wider audience, I present here a
small selection of Ringo's May Day pictures; visit his site
<http://www.ringospictures.com/> to see dozens more photos from the rally.

When I tell people that public political rallies are more and more being led
by communists and socialists, most folks simply don't believe me. Aw, come
on, you're just giving decent protesters an extreme label, they say. No,
actually, I'm not: The communists freely and proudly declare their
affiliation.
And the SEIU has no problem marching arm-in-arm with them.

"Smash Capitalism" is a slogan the SEIU apparently endorses - or at least
doesn't mind marching behind.
In case you think the SEIU is some peripheral out-of-the-mainstream
organization:
The SEIU devoted $28 million to Obama's campaign
<http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indexp_indiv.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
> , making the SEIU "the organization that spent the most to help Barack
<http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/obamas-top
-funder-also-lead-nation-white-house-visits> Obama get elected president."
Furthermore, who is Obama's favorite White House guest and one of his
closest confidants?
The individual who has visited the Obama White House the most: SEIU
President Andy Stern, who has visited 53 times.
Obama is closely linked with the SEIU.
The SEIU is closely linked with communists.
You do the math.

Did I say communists? Sorry, I meant Communists (with a capital "C").
Note how the Communists that day (like the women on the right in this photo)
carried solid red flags symbolizing their ideology. Keep that in mind as you
view the next photo.

One of the SEIU leaders picked up a Communist flag and led a contingent of
rank-and-file SEIU members. Everyone was OK with that.

The way you can identify the SEIU members in all these pictures: They're the
ones in purple t-shirts carrying blue-and-yellow signs.

So, as you can see, the communists and the union members intermingled as the
march progressed.
In case you were wondering what the SEIU was saying during all of this,
here's a video of the SEIU chanting "Legalization or REVOLUTION!" Clear
enough?

And it wasn't just the SEIU at the march - other "normal" unions like the
AFL-CIO were on hand as well.
There were plenty of teachers' unions attending too, and they brought along
many of their public school students for some good old-fashioned communist
indoctrination,.

Most of the idiots in the US who walk around with Che buttons or Che shirts
do so simply because they foolishly think he's "cool." These hardcore
communists carry his image not because he's "cool," but because he was one
of the most radical revolutionaries who ever lived. Right up there with
Lenin, apparently.

In order to have a more "civil dialogue" with their political opponents, the
marchers made a puppet of a demonic Statue of Liberty aligned with the "Tea
Bag Party."

OK, I guess Hitler comparisons are off the table for now - too many people
have called it taboo. So what's second best? The Devil!

Tell me the honest truth: If the Tea Party had marched in a rally behind a
banner held up by fascists or neo-Nazis, don't you think it would have been
national news? But the nation's biggest Obama-supporting political
organization marched behind banners like these, and not a peep about it in
the media. Hmmmm..

Until recently, the average American has regarded fascists and communists as
equally noxious and equally malignant. As well they should have. But the
drive these days by the left side of the spectrum is to make communism and
socialism somewhat less remarkable and more palatable. For two years they
angrily denied the Tea Party accusation that Obama's policies and supporters
had a socialist bent. But in recent months, as the accusation had started to
gain traction, the new leftist tactic has become: "What's so bad about
socialism after all? You're demonizing a very popular and respectable
ideology!"

This morning I got this:

quote:

Political Correctness

An annual contest is held each year at Texas A&M University
calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.

This year's term was: "Political Correctness."

The winner and a great definition by a Student who wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that
it is entirely possible to pick up a dog turd by the clean end."

I don't have any conservative friends that know my e-mail address. How did I get these? From a breed specific e-mail list for show dogs. Obviously political e-mails and spam/fwd:fwd:fwd: things aren't allowed, so they keep getting sent to the list "accidentally" or, in the case of the second one, because omg it mentions dog poo poo so it's technically relevant (the person who sent it didn't add any of their own commentary). loving STOP IT. There's enough pointless drama in dogs without dumbass tea partiers adding in their political views. gently caress.

# ? Jun 22, 2011 20:18

Sock on a Fish: Jul 17, 2004; What if that thing I said?

The first one isn't really misinformative, it's just ignorant. Gee, I wonder why the Communist Party USA would show up to a May Day demonstration? Friggin May Day!

I did laugh when the writer went on to compare leftists in a May Day parade to Hitler.

The "media would go nuts if fascists or neo-Nazis showed up at Tea Party event" doesn't really hold water. The media didn't go nuts when a Tea Party rally showed up at a Muslim charity fundraiser to spew hate speech, which is pretty goddamn fascist.

I think only Taibbi has done the trouble of showing how the Tea Party leadership are the exact same people who endorsed David Duke and fought school integration, among other things.

# ? Jun 22, 2011 23:55

Z-Magic: Feb 19, 2011; They talk about the people and the proletariat, I talk about the suckers and the mugs - it's the same thing. They have their five-year plans, so have I.

A friend got this in an email from her dad and decided to let me in on how her father is his own special brand of crazy:-

quote:

Introduction: Why study Hegel?

"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)

In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

For a visual concept, see this simple chart [page now deleted] of the Hegelian Dialectic and Marx's Dialectical Materialism, posted by the Calverton Private School.

Definitions:

Merriam-Webster:

"Dialectic ....the Hegelian process of change in which a concept or its realization passes over into and is preserved and fulfilled by its opposite... development through the stages of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis in accordance with the laws of dialectical materialism ....any systematic reasoning, exposition, or argument that juxtaposes opposed or contradictory ideas and usually seeks to resolve their conflict ...
....the dialectical tension or opposition between two interacting forces or elements."

"Dialectical Materialism ... 1 : the Marxist theory that maintains the material basis of a reality constantly changing in a dialectical process and the priority of matter over mind."

Wikipedia:

"Hegel's dialectic often appears broken up for convenience into three moments called "thesis" (in the French historical example, the revolution), "antithesis" (the terror which followed), and "synthesis" (the constitutional state of free citizens). ... Much Hegel scholarship does not recognize the usefulness of this triadic classification for shedding light on Hegel's thought. Although Hegel refers to "the two elemental considerations: first, the idea of freedom as the absolute and final aim; secondly, the means for realising it, i.e. the subjective side of knowledge and will, with its life, movement, and activity" (thesis and antithesis) he doesn't use "synthesis" but instead speaks of the "Whole": "We then recognised the State as the moral Whole and the Reality of Freedom, and consequently as the objective unity of these two elements." ...

"Hegel used this system of dialectics to explain the whole of the history of philosophy, science, art, politics and religion, but many modern critics point out that Hegel often seems to gloss over the realities of history in order to fit it into his dialectical mold....

In the 20th century, Hegel's philosophy underwent a major renaissance. This was due partly to the rediscovery and reevaluation of him as the philosophical progenitor of Marxism by philosophically oriented Marxists, partly through a resurgence of the historical perspective that Hegel brought to everything, and partly through increasing recognition of the importance of his dialectical method. The book that did the most to reintroduce Hegel into the Marxist canon was perhaps Georg Lukacs's History and Class Consciousness. This sparked a renewed interest in Hegel reflected in the work of Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Ernst Bloch....

"Beginning in the 1960's, Anglo-American Hegel scholarship has attempted to challenge the traditional interpretation of Hegel as offering a metaphysical system." See Popular Occultism

The Hegelian dialectical formula: A (thesis) versus B (anti-thesis) equals C (synthesis).

For example: If (A) my idea of freedom conflicts with (B) your idea of freedom then (C) neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave.

The Soviet Union was based on the Hegelian dialectic, as is all Marxist writing. The Soviets didn't give up their Hegelian reasoning when they supposedly stopped being a communist country. They merely changed the dialectical language to fit into the modern version of Marxist thinking called communitarianism. American author Steve Montgomery explores Moscow's adept use of the Hegelian dialectic in Glasnost-Perestroika: A Model Potemkin Village.

How is it possible to consider a Hegelian argument?

If the ideas, interpretations of experiences, and the sources are all wrong, can a conclusion based on all these wrong premises be sound? The answer is no. Two false premises do not make a sound conclusion even if the argument follows the formula. Three, four, five, or six false premises do not all combine to make a conclusion sound. You must have at least one sound premise to reach a sound conclusion. Logical mathematical formulas are only the basis for deductive reasoning. Equally important is knowledge of semantics, or considering the meanings of the words used in the argument. Just because an argument fits the formula, it does not necessarily make the conclusion sound. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel knew this when he designed his dialectic.

Hegel is an imperialist con artist who established the principles of dialectical "no-reason." Hegel's dialectic has allowed globalists to lead simple, capable, freeborn men and women back into the superstitious, racist and unreasonable age of imperial global dominance. National governments represent people who are free from imperial controls over private property, trade and production. National governments protect their workers from imperial slavery by protecting the worker's markets. But if you use Hegel's logical Marxism, the only way to protect people from slavery is to become the slave trader, just for a while. Twisted logic is why cons are so successful, and Hegel twisted it in such a way as to be "impenetrable." Like Hegel and Marx, the best street con knows his spiel has to use logic to bend and distort the story, and good cons weave their lies on logical mathematical progression. The fallacy is in the language, not in the math. Detective Phillip Worts' 2001 article Communist Oriented Policing is a nice explanation of Dialectical Materialism's influence on America.

The communitarian purpose for the Hegelian dialectic

Hegel's theory is basically that mankind is merely a series of constant philosophical conflicts. Hegel was an idealist who believed that the highest state of mankind can only be attained through constant ideological conflict and resolution. The rules of the dialectic means mankind can only reach its highest spiritual consciousness through endless self-perpetuating struggle between ideals, and the eventual synthesizing of all opposites. Hegel's dialectic taught all conflict takes man to the next spiritual level. But in the final analysis, this ideology simply justifies conflict and endless war. It is also the reasoning behind using military power to export an illogical version of freedom and false democratic ideals.

The reason we can call it the justification for modern conflicts and war, with impunity, is because no one can prove Hegel's theory is true. No matter how many new words they make up to define it, or how many new theories they come up with to give it validity, we can prove beyond a doubt that it is all false. And, we can show the final equation in Hegels' Dialectic is:

A: The [your nation goes here] System of Political Economy (List 1841)
B: state controlled world communism
C: state controlled global communitarianism.

The Hegelian dialectic is the ridiculous idea that constant conflict and continual merging of opposite ideologies, as established by extreme right or left belief systems, will lead spiritual mankind into final perfection. (Americans understood man's spiritual quests to be outside the realm of government control). Hegel's brilliance rests in his ability to confuse and obfuscate the true motives of the planners, and millions of people world-wide have been trying to make sense of why it doesn't work for over 150 years. But like the AA definition of insanity, the world keeps trying it over and over expecting different results. ...

When Frederick Engels and Karl Marx based their communist theory on Hegel's theory of spiritual advancement via constant resolution of differences, they based the theory of communism on an unproven theory.

While Darwin's theory of evolution is still being debated, there's absolutely no proof that societies are continually evolving. When Engels and Marx later based their communist theory on Lewis Henry Morgan's theory of anthropology in 1877, they again based the theory of communism on an unprovable theory.

And when Amitai Etzioni used Hegelian reasoning to base the Communitarian Network on a "balance" between (A) Rights and (B) Responsibilities, he built the entire theory of (C) communitarianism on nothing but disproven and unprovable unscientific theories....

Already gaining substantial ground against the Americans, British Marxism was bolstered when Charles Darwin published his theory of human evolution in 1859. Engels, according to modern day scholars, seized upon Darwin's theory to substantiate communism:

"When Marx read The Origin of Species he wrote to Engels that, 'although it is developed in the crude English style, this is the book which contains the basis in natural history for our view.' They turned against what they saw as the social, as opposed to the biological, implications of Darwinism when they realised that it contained no support for their shibboleth of class oppression. Since they were slippery customers rather than scientists, they were not likely to relinquish their views just because something did not fit." (see: Marxism and Darwinism by Anton Pannekoek, 1912.)

In 1877 Lewis Henry Morgan published Ancient Society, or Researches in Life, Lines of Human Progress from Savagery, through Barbarism, to Civilization. Then the "slippery" Engels seized upon Morgan's work as the constantly "evolving" basis for the totally unsubstantiated theory of natural social evolution into utopian world communism....

Hegel's formula has been so successful that in 2003 all U.S. domestic and foreign policy is dominated by "communitarian thinking," the whole country is living under the new laws, and yet Americans most affected by "impenetrable" Hegelian laws have never once heard the term used.

Conclusion:

The Hegelian dialectic presupposes the factual basis for the theory of social evolutionary principles, which coincidentally backed up Marx. Marx's Darwinian theory of the "social evolution of the species," (even though it has been used for a century to create a vast new scientific community, including eugenics and socio-economics), does not adhere to the basis for all good scientific research, and appears to exist mainly to advance itself, and all its sub-socio-scientific arms, as the more moral human science. To the ACL this means the entire basis for the communitarian solution is based on a false premise, because there is no FACTUAL basis that "social evolution of the species" exists, based as it is only on Darwinian and Marxist ideology of man's "natural" evolution towards a British version of utopia.

The London-Marxist platform in 1847 was "to abolish private property." The American Revolution was based in private property rights. Marxist societies confiscate wealth and promise to "re-distribute it equally." America promised everyone they could keep and control what was the product of their own labor. Modern Marxist adherents openly claim they will "rebuild the world," and they train activist "change agents" to openly support overthrowing the legitimate governments of the world. Since their inception, Marxist agent provocateurs can be linked to every anarchist assassination and student uprising that caused chaos to the established European civilization throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. Modern Americans have succumbed to the conspiracy theory label and will only listen to what the propaganda machines tell them. Now our people don't believe anyone other than maybe the Arab world "hates our freedom." Most modern Americans will never know what went wrong with their "great experiment in democracy."

While the Marxist-communitarian argument has not provided a shred of evidence to prove their utopian vision, and their synthesis does not match their own projected conclusions of world justice, we are convinced their argument does in fact substantiate our conclusion, that the entire philosophical dialectical argument is nothing but a brilliant ruse. We used to call it "a cheap parlor trick" until a responder to this page wondered how we could call it "cheap" when it's been so successful. And he was right. The dialectical arguments for human rights, social equity, and world peace and justice are a perfectly designed diversion in the defeated British Empire's Hegelian-Fabian-Metaphysical-Theosophical Monopoly game. It's the most successful con job in the history of the modern world. (For a well presented Christian overview of the con, see American Babylon: Part Five-the Triumph of the Merchants by Peter Goodgame.)

The communitarian synthesis is the final silent move in a well-designed, quietly implemented plot to re-make the world into colonies. To us it doesn't matter if there is some form of ancient religion that propels the plotters, nor does it really matter if it turns out they're aliens (as some suggest). The bottom line is the Hegelian dialectic sets up the scene for state intervention, confiscation, and redistribution in the U.S., and this is against our ENTIRE constitutional based society. The Hegelian dialectic is not a conspiracy theory because the Conspiracy Theory is a fraud. We've all been duped by global elitists who plan to take totalitarian control of all nation's people, property, and produce. Communitarian Plans exist in every corner of the world, and nobody at the local level will explain why there's no national legal avenue to withdraw from the U.N.'s "community" development plans.

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The Fabian Society of Australia explains the Hegelian-Marxist Third Way synthesis. "Re-inventing Collectivism: The new Social Democracy" by Mark Latham, Member for Werriwa Third Way Conference, Centre for Applied Economic Research, University of New South Wales, Sydney, 12 July 2001:

"Over the past decade, a group of social democrats have moved down the reinvention path. They have developed a distinctive political project, exploring the new institutions and forums of a collective society. In the United States, Bill Clinton called it the Third Way. In Britain, Tony Blair has made it the work of New Labour."

Quotes that validate the ACL thesis that communitarians IS the synthesis in the Hegelian dialectic:

"People are living in a snarled-up subset of Marx's thinking, and do not know it. They twist logic to get to conclusions that will suit the current prejudices. They garnish it with a little Christianity or mysticism or whatever, though these play no important part in their world outlook." TRUTH OVERLOOKED: THE LEGACY OF LIST by Gwydion M. Williams (also available via Cal State LA-POLS 426 online reading list.)

"The Socialist Alliance programme is the foundation upon which everything else is built, including in time our exact organisational forms and constantly shifting tactics. The programme links our continuous and what should be all-encompassing agitational work with our ultimate aim of a communitarian, or communist, system. Our programme thus establishes the basis for agreed action and is the lodestar, the point of reference, around which the voluntary unity of the Socialist Alliance is built and concretised. Put another way, the programme represents the dialectical unity between theory and practice." [emphasis added] Posted by Weekly Worker 368, January 25 2001. See also: "The transition to the communitarian system" in the same issue of the American Communist Party's Weekly Worker.

"The market economics of the Right and the government bureaucracies of the Left have weakened society's connectedness. They have not been effective forums for collective action. For Right-wing politics, this is not much of an issue. It has always believed in the supremacy of individual freedom and individual action. For the Left, however, it is a huge problem.
"The old ideologies positioned politics as a struggle for ownership, the historic battle between socialism and capitalism. The Third Way, by contrast, sees politics as an exercise in communitarianism: rebuilding the relationships and social capital between people. It aims to put the social back into social justice. This is an important strategy for combating individualism and generating a sense of collective responsibility in society."
Australian Fabian Society, "Re-inventing Collectivism: The new Social Democracy" by Mark Latham, Member for Werriwa Third Way Conference, Centre for Applied Economic Research, University of New South Wales, Sydney, 12 July 2001

"In a passage that is notable for its vagueness, Azevedo says that the CEBs should be the basis for a new communitarianism that rejects the two "bankrupt" models and systems "that are now polarizing the world," capitalism and Marxist socialism. This communitarianism is to be "a dialectical synthesis, a new creation, superimposing itself on thesis and antithesis rather than retrieving them." The passage illustrates the controversy in Latin American Catholicism between those who continue to endorse the "third-position-ism" (tercerismo) of Catholic social teaching and those (including all liberation theologians that I know of) who believe that only socialism can be in accord with Christian values." Theology Today-Basic Ecclesial Communities in Brazil: The Challenge of a New Way of Being Church By Marcello deC. Azevedo, S.J.Washington, D.C., Georgetown University Press, 1987. 304 Pp.

tl:dr Communism/Marxism = NWO (who may be aliens) :tinfoil:

# ? Jun 25, 2011 09:56

XyloJW: Jul 23, 2007

I got like a paragraph in before I noticed he was using a euphemism for ending the War on Drugs and the War on Terror. Just tell your friend's dad that that email is explaining that the only way towards freedom is to end the War on Drugs and the War on Terror.

I stopped read it while I was ahead.

# ? Jun 25, 2011 17:15

dshban: Jan 31, 2007; REFEREE
im a ghost

Hmm.

FW: Fw: AUGUST CENSUS - NOT A JOKE posted:

IMPORTANT

AUSTRALIA WILL BE HOLDING A CENSUS IN AUGUST

DO NOT LEAVE THE �RELIGION� SECTION BLANK. BE SURE TO AT LEAST TICK CHRISTIAN (OR YOUR UPBRINGING FAITH).

1,000,000 MUSLIMS WILL TICK THEIR BOX.

10,000,000 AUSTRALIANS WILL LEAVE IT BLANK THEN WONDER WHY A MOSQUE IS BUILT IN THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD!!!

PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS.

This was in big red font, of course.

I'd be more concerned about the thousands of churches that would pop up. Also, I don't think 50% of Australia is atheist/lazy. Although maybe.

dshban fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jul 1, 2011

# ? Jul 1, 2011 02:20

ColtMcAsskick: Nov 7, 2010

1 000 000 people will correctly fill out the census, providing invaluable information to the government of which they can use for the betterment of all society!?

How very dare they

# ? Jul 1, 2011 03:14

JerkyBunion: Jun 22, 2002

I don't understand. Do mosques get built based on census data?

# ? Jul 1, 2011 03:25

Proust Malone: Apr 4, 2008

This isn't technically an email, but it came to me via the crazy relative route.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsI7pfhfX90

# ? Jul 1, 2011 03:33

TGLT: Aug 14, 2009

JerkyBunion posted:

I don't understand. Do mosques get built based on census data?

A place of worship can only be built if its specific religion dominates the other, much like how it works in Black and White. So, you see, if Christians or people who aren't Christian but are willing to lie for Jesus say they're Christians they win and the Muslims lose.

Alternatively, it's a bunch of crazy rear end bullshit from some one who hates Muslims. Like every other chain letter.

# ? Jul 1, 2011 03:33

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# ? May 14, 2024 03:16

downout: Jul 6, 2009

JerkyBunion posted:

I don't understand. Do mosques get built based on census data?

Who does the census data? That's right, the Caliphate. Of course they will build some mosques!

# ? Jul 1, 2011 03:35

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