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Ninpo
Aug 6, 2004

by FactsAreUseless
Double bagel.

Double. Bagel.

Double. Bagel.

:psyduck:

Who the gently caress is this mental home escapee?

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Babby Thatcher
May 3, 2004

concept by my buddy kyle
agreed, double-bagels out

chuggo is BACK
Jul 1, 2008




"Chuggo"

PWM POTM December 2014
double-bagel game

Babby Thatcher
May 3, 2004

concept by my buddy kyle
Minutemen - Double Bagels on the Dime

Voluspa
Mar 17, 2006

HURRRRley
in for a penny in for a pound:

samefuckingyank posted:


With the emergence of many new outdoor stadiums and considering the costs to maintain them, investors should be open-minded to new ideas and old ideas. Investors should determine if there is a viable alternative within the sports spectator marketplace that can transcend the status quo and become a lasting entity with enduring entertainment value.

Research in the academic arena indicates that Soccer can be that viable alternative for Sports Fans in the U.S. A new professional Soccer league that competes directly against Major League Soccer (MLS) should be considered. An American Rules Soccer league has a better opportunity to win over the American sports fans, something MLS has yet to do in their 15+ years of existence.

In sport, it is common for rules to vary from country to country. FIBA, the International Federation of Basketball plays its games under its rules, including a trapezoid key (paint). The U.S. adheres to these rules during international play and reverts back to its own rules for play in the NBA. Pro Soccer in the U.S. must be played with its own rules of engagement, including making changes to the traditional Soccer field markings.

The game of Soccer like all other American Spectator Sports must be tinkered with from time to time in order to maintain its entertainment value for the newest generation. But, the Sport must not be altered significantly to where it is not recognized as Soccer. The integrity of the Sport must be kept intact (ten on ten where no one touches the ball with their hands and one Goalkeeper for each side).

If done with an American flavor, Soccer can be an enduring Spectator Sport in the U.S. It has the ability to provide unique drama, escape and entertainment for U.S. sports fans. It is definitely possible to raise the American consciousness for the appreciation of Soccer.


A new American Rules League will put a fresh Kick into making Soccer mainstream with U.S. sports fans.


MLS is doing all the work, but, they are making themselves susceptible for a take-over. MLS has a flawed business model. They are vulnerable to a newer, more exciting Soccer.With the right attitude and appreciation for Sports Fans in the U.S., the more contemporary American Rules Soccer can absorb the boring, less exciting MLS.

MLS has made 2 critical errors in judgment for the marketing of their sport. They married themselves to FIFA, the world’s so-called governing body of Soccer. This mistake causes MLS to have no say over how they want to go about promoting their league. They are pawns to whatever FIFA tells them. And, FIFA has a reputation for being slow to progress and modernize its game.

Also, they have only marketed and promoted their game to ‘Soccer People’, instead of ‘Sports Fans’. It is the belief of MLS that enough Soccer purists and people of Hispanic descent will sufficiently provide for all the fans that they need to sustain their league. They are sadly mistaken if they are counting on Hispanics just because they immigrated from Soccer-following countries. Hispanics in the U.S. are the biggest new segment of fans to be catching on with the NBA and NFL.

The sport has been built-up significantly over time at the youth level and upwards through the high-school and college levels. But, in order for Professional Soccer in the U.S. to derive the most amount of fan support possible, it must become event-driven and reach the die hard sports fans.

Officials of American Rules Soccer must take responsibility in perfecting the art in the sport. They must make sure that the skill involved in the sport is showcased and that every match is played with contemporary sports drama and theater. Action, tension during the contests and common sense in the rules must take precedence so that every game has the potential to rise to the occasion and be an unforgettable sporting spectacle. This is the marketing that has been overlooked by the MLS. The most important type of marketing for Professional Soccer in America is within the game itself.

Sports Fans in the U.S. expect more from their spectator sports. They are different than sports fans from other parts of the world. They are more sophisticated and they have been spoiled. The greatest moments in the recent history of sports have occurred in American sports or with American athletes.

Soccer can become a fabric of the American Sports Fans environment just as Football, Basketball and Baseball have consistently achieved from year to year. Officials of American Rules Soccer must think progressive in their amendments to the rules and consider what makes 4th down, the 3 and 2 count and the last-second shot so appealing to sports fans.



Ratings from the most recent World Cup of Soccer indicate that Americans do follow the sport with great interest. The World Cup has a tremendous following in the U.S. due to its uniqueness within the sports calendar. It is a once every 4 years event that has similar qualities to the Olympics for sports fans, including nationalism and a natural curiosity factor. Television ratings for MLS though, have been dismal with no indication of getting better year to year.

The business of U.S. Soccer and television ratings prove that FIFA-MLS rules suppress Soccer's overall ability to maximize the U.S. sports fan's pleasure in watching the game. While some argue that MLS is a young league and is growing year to year, the ratings don't prove this out. Attendance may be on the rise and franchise values may have grown in MLS, but those numbers are misleading and can be explained by nuances in the economy and new stadiums. MLS is very much behind where it could be considering that Soccer is not a niche sport in the U.S.

College Soccer for both Men and Women offers numerous chances for the sport to continue to grow and be a filter for an American Rules Soccer League. Additionally, College Soccer operates under its own auspices and its own NCAA rules. Variations to rules changes in the sport of Soccer can look at how College Soccer is playing on virtually 200-300 campuses nationwide and see that FIFA does not own the rights to how Soccer should or can be played.

American Rules Soccer will be more interesting not only for the fans, but also for the Coaches. Strategy for coaching is critical with the new American rules. It is much more sophisticated and requires adapting to the whole roster's capabilities rather than the starting eleven and 3 substitutions. Every game presents more potential on the field than what is currently being offered in FIFA-governed Soccer.



Professional Soccer from March to September, with the right type of marketing on the game and around the game is a natural segue for the NFL and would be a natural cross-promotion in the U.S. for both Sports. The 2 sports, Soccer and Football, are played completely differently, and use completely different shaped balls, but the field of play for both sports are practically identical in shape and size. Team colors for the American Rules Soccer league could be similar to the team colors of the different NFL teams for their corresponding cities. (See An Open Letter to Roger Goodell for more on this topic)

It is hypothesized that a newly branded Soccer will be copied throughout the rest of the world. Other Soccer leagues will eventually make the same changes because this new American version will be action-packed with higher average scoring and more common sense for the Sports Fan worldwide.

Babby Thatcher
May 3, 2004

concept by my buddy kyle
get this guy an account

Big Black Dick
Mar 20, 2009

What exactly does this nutbag want to change? So far as I can tell that entire rant didn't suggest a single concrete difference. It was all 'gently caress fifa' and 'american rules will be better!'

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021

wayth posted:

What exactly does this nutbag want to change? So far as I can tell that entire rant didn't suggest a single concrete difference. It was all 'gently caress fifa' and 'american rules will be better!'

He mentioned college soccer which has no injury time, unlimited substitutions, and you're only allowed to have a draw after you've played a golden goal overtime of two 10 minute halves. Also they might have quarters instead of halves but I'm not sure.

Couch
May 16, 2004

COME ON TOT!
Go back to the original MLS rules they worked so well....

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009
In a perverse way, I admire his dedication to being completely and utterly wrong about everything ever.

Couch posted:

Go back to the original MLS rules they worked so well....

Names too!

"It's the Burn! It's the Mutiny! Sunday on ABC!"

Voluspa
Mar 17, 2006

HURRRRley
:psyduck:

sameyank posted:

Bringing a Competing World Cup to the U.S. Every 4 Years

If a new American Rules Soccer League was formed, what single event could guarantee an excess of publicity to thrust the league further to the forefront of the minds of sports consumers? What single event could accompany the league and strengthen it every 4 years with the biggest bang for the buck? Well, you know the answer if you read the title, a competing World Cup staged in the U.S.

A new American Rules Soccer League, if started with the right amount of marketing and given ample time to make its presence known, will have already garnered respect with American sports fans. Thus, the competing American Rules World Cup acts as a support framework for the league.

Many knowledgeable Soccer fans will wonder how can a new league get players to play if they are banned from FIFA sanctioned events or leagues (It is well-known in Soccer circles that FIFA won't allow a player to play in its leagues or events if he partakes in non-sanctioned FIFA leagues or events. Sort of a monopolistic ploy, it seems.) This is a fair question. The answer is pretty much the same as any other answer for how to get things done. It is a question of money.

Obviously, a new League and competing World Cup will take huge investments, but maybe not as much as one would think. One of America's best surpluses right now is Soccer players. There are an excess of players willing to jump at pay for play and will sacrifice any FIFA career to do so.

Most will play for meager salaries to play the sport of their dreams. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't be respected. Salaries will always be paid according to supply and demand.

The same thought process applies to foreign players who will qualify for their country's teams. The first competing World Cup can get started with 8 countries represented and can build to a bigger amount of countries with the passing of every 4 years. Financial incentives can be used to rally an excellent crop of countries to get started. These incentives can be offset by sponsors and television contracts that will jump for the chance at being part of the first American Rules World Cup of Soccer.

The players may or may not be as good as others playing for MLS, NASL, USL or NPSL (all pro leagues presently represented in the U.S.) or La Liga, Bundesliga or the Premier League (a few of the abundant foreign first division leagues, not to mention the hundreds of foreign pro minor leagues). This is not really the point. It can be debated by fans and pundits for which play is more exciting, standard FIFA or American Rules.

American sports fans will figure things out and the quality sporting experience will win out. Tv ratings in other countries may take a little longer to come around, but it would not be the first time that the U.S. is the first to be ahead of the curve.

This competing World Cup should not be afraid to go up against the FIFA World Cup. It should be played in the same year, maybe even around the same time of the year. The advantage will always be that it is being played in its own friendly surroundings, the U.S.A., not in other countries that may or may not deserve the honor of hosting a world event. The United States of America always makes a good host.

I am OK
Mar 9, 2009

LAWL
Should have bolded this too:

quote:

Investors should determine if there is a viable alternative within the sports spectator marketplace that can transcend the status quo and become a lasting entity with enduring entertainment value.

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

Dog Suicide Bridge BBQ Team 2k10
Seriously, someone buy him an account.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

I am OK posted:

Should have bolded this too:

There's just so much to bold. Personally I would've bolded 'double-bagel' but to each their own.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

I am a spectacularly bad poster and everyone in the Schadenfreude thread hates my guts.

quote:

Sanchez deal looks done then (again) cant say I'm too disapointed being one of the best players in Serie A is like being one of the nicest people in Al Qaeda, Much rather us stick a big bid in for Samir Nasri great young player, prem proven and would weaken one of our rival no end.

DickEmery
Dec 5, 2004

Bacon of the Sea posted:

Seriously, someone buy him an account.

Only if it's called Double Bagels though.

ManoliIsFat
Oct 4, 2002

Voluspa posted:

Most will play for meager salaries to play the sport of their dreams. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't be respected. Salaries will always be paid according to supply and demand.
There are MLS players who could make more money managing a McDonalds, let alone some NASL team who plays their games at a highschool.

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal
If we were to combine the top ten sides from MLS in the current standing into the SPL minus St. Mirren and Hamilton to form an imaginary one table league I would see it playing out something like this.

1. Rangers
2. Celtic
3. Hearts
4. LA Galaxy
5. Dundee United
6. FC Dallas
7. NY Red Bulls
8. Kilmarnock
9. Seattle Sounder
10. Philadelphia Union
11. Motherwell
12. Columbus Crew
13. Iverness
14. Aberdeen
15. Real Salt Lake
16. Colorado
17. St. Johnstone
18. Hibernian
19. Houston
20. San Jose

Okay after doing that I'll concede I probably have overvalued Hibs and St. Johnstone and maybe Aberdeen, Iverness, and Motherwell in comparison to the top end of MLS but the vast majority of MLS sides would be strongly pressed to ever come away with positive decisions against the top five clubs in the SPL



Edit: I am not pushing MLS over SPL, I just don't know what to make of this post.

Babby Thatcher
May 3, 2004

concept by my buddy kyle
twobadleagues.jpg

Dirk Pitt
Sep 14, 2007

haha yes, this feels good

Toilet Rascal
I should add that the league table I posted came out of an awesome post about why Maurice Edu should start over Michael Bradley for the USMNT.

To sum it up, Maurice Edu should start because he has played in the Champions League and has a higher goal.com match rating average than Michael Bradley.

ayb
Sep 12, 2003
Kills Drifters for erections

wayth posted:

What exactly does this nutbag want to change? So far as I can tell that entire rant didn't suggest a single concrete difference. It was all 'gently caress fifa' and 'american rules will be better!'

They have halves but there is no extra time. Scoreboard has a clock and they only stop it for bad injuries. Oh and unlimited subs. That's the biggest difference, there's nothing else that I can think of having watched about 10 of my school's girls team

ManoliIsFat
Oct 4, 2002

ayb posted:

Oh and unlimited subs.
That seems crazy, is it like basketball, give someone a rest or a little break when they're in a funk? Or is it you just get as many as you want and can have a deep bench?

Ewar Woowar
Feb 25, 2007

Unlimited subs would result in bringing on a specialist team for corners etc.

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Ewar Woowar posted:

Unlimited subs would result in bringing on a specialist team for corners etc.

I would be all for subbing on Delap for throws then yanking him off for open play.

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
The unlimited subs thing also includes a clause that you can't go back on in the same half when you got subbed off.

Couch
May 16, 2004

COME ON TOT!
Imagine a game where a team goes up for a corner/free kick, and then upon losing the ball all of their players do whatever they can to cause a stoppage so they can sub off for some defensive players.

It would be like when a goalie attempts and misses a penalty but x11.

Ungratek
Aug 2, 2005


Except you can still only name an 18 in college soccer so they usually only have one 'specialist' if at all

Voluspa
Mar 17, 2006

HURRRRley
to anyone that cares, the excerpts i posted are from http://www.americanizesoccer.com :downs:

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

Dog Suicide Bridge BBQ Team 2k10

jyrka
Jan 21, 2005


Potato Count: 2 small potatoes

Bacon of the Sea posted:



Well?

Bacon of the Sea
Oct 17, 2008

Dog Suicide Bridge BBQ Team 2k10
It's from a Sunderland message board. They go on to argue that blacks aren't as evolved as whites and that calling people paki is no more racist than calling someone brit.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
That's mackems for you I'm afraid. They're animals.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
I thought they were dog fuckers not actual animals

Bland
Aug 31, 2008


Winner Of The TRP I dont actually remember the contest im pretty high right now here's your venkys tag


Bacon of the Sea posted:

It's from a Sunderland message board. They go on to argue that blacks aren't as evolved as whites and that calling people paki is no more racist than calling someone brit.

I just dug up that thread and none of this is true, imagine that. That said the SMB is a shithole populated by absolute mongs and Ive seen worse stuff than that said on there.

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
The most disturbing aspect of Ken Bates’ impact at Leeds United has been his effect on us, the fans. We’ve changed; or rather, he has changed us. The most fundamental way this change expresses itself is in the way that we express ourselves – it’s right there, in the way we talk about Leeds United. Ken Bates has stolen our narrative of ourselves; he has blunted our desire to write our own history, to give vocal form to what we want from Leeds United Football Club.

It’s not a surprising result, and certainly not an accidental one, given the time and emphasis put into Bates’ programme notes, and his weekly radio addresses, with edited highlights printed on the official site; long before his Leeds tenure, Bates programme notes at Oldham and Chelsea came to be seen as a bizarre sort of institution. Bates’ regular soapboxing is often dismissed as an airing for his ego, but there’s more to it than that. Even if you don’t share his opinions, or if you try to ignore his often ugly oratorial style, you can’t pretend they aren’t there. You pick up on words and phrases and tones, and you hear them from the fans around you; and the focus of conversation on a match day becomes less about whether Paynter is starting ahead of Somma, but whether the Norwegian Supporters Club should pay up for memberships and how the Pavilion is doing.

Languages change: they evolve, new words are formed, old ones become more prominent; people need different words to talk about things they haven’t spoken of before. And language has changed at Leeds United. In our attempts to understand what Ken Bates is doing at our football club, the language of football, of Leeds United, has been replaced by the language of Ken Bates. And the language of Ken Bates is not the language of a football fan, but of a property developer.

And so, when an offer is made for our goalkeeper, the focus of the fans is not on the Leeds United question of whether a sale will be good for our team, but on the Batesian question of whether it represents “good business sense.” Fans talk about the balance of a contract, on freeing up wages, whether £1m now is a fair price when the player can leave for free in a year; and not about whether the team will be improved. A football team at its core is eleven players, and yet rather than have a footballer in the number one shirt, it makes “good business sense,” it’s a “good deal going forward,” to have a million quid instead. It’s better to have the money than to have the player. That’s not football fans talking; that’s Ken Bates.

The acceptance of the Kasper Schmeichel sale – assuming it happens – is the acceptance that Leeds United are now a selling club. That’s the logical conclusion of the idea that a transfer before Schmeichel’s contract runs out is “good business sense.” It follows that every player at the club has a price related to the remaining length of their contract, that each one has a tipping point at which the sold sticker is slapped across them. We can find a better keeper than Schmeichel, sure, but can we find better players to replace Snodgrass and Gradel when it becomes “good business sense” to sell them? Leeds United fans never used to think like this, and that was not just because we were arrogant sods; it was before Ken Bates convinced us that “good business sense” is more important than football, that money is better for the club than players.

Bates has used the spectre of Ridsdale to get us all scared, essentially. It’s how he’s managed to spend £7m on the East Stand development this close season. Through careful repetition – never backed up by proof – that “brick by brick” he’s “building” the club up, Bates has managed to convince the fans that executive boxes, shops, and eventually a hotel will lead directly to success on the pitch. And we repeat it to each other, and it replaces the football, and because we’re all saying it, we all think it’s true. Leeds fans used to talk about football, but now we talk about “maximising long term revenue streams,” “expanding our commercial interests,” about “safe investment in a guaranteed return.” Leeds fans now think that to spend £7m on a football player would be a momentous risk and a return to the spend-spend-spend era of Ridsdale; but that to spend £7m on corporate facilities is sound business thinking in the long term. Well, it’s very long term that we’re talking: the twenty-two new East Stand executive boxes are priced at £28,500(+VAT) per season; if they are all sold every season at that price, it will take eleven years to make £7m back. And that’s assuming they all sell; in Bates’ last years at Chelsea, Stamford Bridge was notorious for the number of executive boxes that were unsold and unused.

By listening to Ken Bates about the soundness of the commercial infrastructure he’s building, we’ve not just bought into long-term thinking, we’ve bought into never-never thinking. Yet somehow we believe that executive boxes today will mean more money for players tomorrow; that by waiting for the profits to show from the corporate side, we’ll be on a surer footing to spend on the football side. Well, if we can wait a decade, I suppose that’s alright.

It’s a triumph of fearmongering; it’s the triumph of the Ken Bates mantra. “Ridsdale, Ridsdale, Ridsdale; we must never repeat the mistakes of the past.” Out of our fear of having the last decade happen to us again, we’ve allowed Bates to convince us that Leeds United is not a football club anymore. Football clubs buy and sell players, and train them up through youth teams, in order that the eleven on the pitch will beat the other eleven on the pitch. But now we’re too scared to do it. We’re too frightened to buy a player in case it’s another Seth Johnson; we’re too fearful of the bottom line to turn down bids from our rivals. We won’t risk anything for football anymore; we’ve been told that too much risk is involved in getting Leeds United to compete on the pitch; that bricks and mortar and conference suites and hotels are somehow the path to success for a football club; we’ve been told it, and we’ve believed it.

I’m as involved as anyone. What I’d really like to do in this blog and in The Square Ball magazine is write wanky prose poems about Robert Snodgrass going to sleep and Luciano Becchio pretending to be Maradona. That’s where the fun is. Instead I’ve ended up writing stuff like this, where in order to point out where I feel Bates is destroying Leeds United I get dragged into his arena, forced into using his language, to stop talking about football and about Leeds United and to talk about executive boxes and corporate fine-dining instead. These aren’t the stories I want to write about Leeds United Football Club; these aren’t the words I want to be using. I long for the day when we can stop printing the transcripts of the Yorkshire Radio interviews on TSB; but Bates will have to stop using them to slag off and misinform Leeds United supporters first.

Bates’ mantra has relied on convincing Leeds fans that we aren’t going to repeat the mistakes of the past, that Ken Bates isn’t Peter Ridsdale, that ground improvements are ‘safer’ than team improvements. But at least Peter Ridsdale’s greatest mistakes were borne of a pursuit of football glory, were supposed to bring about success on the pitch, to keep us in the Champions League: ‘Living The Dream’ has become an ugly phrase to Leeds fans, but wasn’t it exactly the dream of every football club – to be as good at football as possible? Whose dream is it, precisely, to have the best executive catering arm of the second division, to have the highest room occupancy rates in the Football League? Do any fans long for the day when they’ll see a Leeds United hotel manager lift an award for corporate hospitality?

We as Leeds fans need to stop kidding ourselves that long-term revenue streams and diversification of property portfolios are what we want at our football club. We need to stop believing the lie that pursuit of football success will always end up the way it did with Ridsdale. We need to stop thinking about our football players in terms of debit and credit. We need to stop believing that the core business of a football club should be corporate hospitality. We need to admit that, due to Ken Bates’ influence, we’ve stopped talking about Leeds United as a football club; and we need to ask ourselves just what stories we want to tell each other about our football club in the future. We need to take control of our club’s narrative again; we need to make the story of Leeds United our story again, not the story according to Ken Bates. Take a look at a photo of Gordon Strachan with the League Championship trophy; of Billy Bremner lifting the FA Cup. Moments like that give our football club it’s whole reason to exist; those are the stories we used to have at our football club. That’s what we should talk about when we talk about Leeds United.

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;
What's bad about that post?

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009

ibroxmassive posted:

What's bad about that post?

Not a lot, I just love the ridiculous pomposity of it. Kind of like when Sid Lowe writes a thing and it's completely groan-inducingly wanky and pretentious but at the same time makes a fair point. It's like if John Galt was a Leeds fan

Total Meatlove
Jan 28, 2007

:japan:
Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

SteadfastMeat posted:

Not a lot, I just love the ridiculous pomposity of it. Kind of like when Sid Lowe writes a thing and it's completely groan-inducingly wanky and pretentious but at the same time makes a fair point. It's like if John Galt was a Leeds fan

It is quite pompous but if it's going out in a fan magazine I can understand why he has the tone he does, and there are some real gems in there;

quote:

Whose dream is it, precisely, to have the best executive catering arm of the second division, to have the highest room occupancy rates in the Football League? Do any fans long for the day when they’ll see a Leeds United hotel manager lift an award for corporate hospitality?

Just for the idea of a bunch of fans kitted out standing at the back cheering.

HOT BRITISH SEX
Jun 12, 2007

She's just coming, sir.
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/20110624/hearts-statement_2241384_2381659

THE OFFICIAL HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN F.C. WEBSITE posted:

The Hearts Board of Directors has issued the following statement in relation to outside influences on players and the club.

"What's happening with the club today is not a new thing. For almost 7 years we have been fighting to shield the club from crooks, criminals and thieves. Many of the top players at the club have felt the bitter results of the swindles that have been carried out with them on their own skin. Skacel and Webster have returned to the club after realising where these 'football patriots' have led them.

"Over a short space of time 4 players at our club have been on the wrong end of the law. We note that 3 of them are represented by the same agent - Gary Mackay - who has been so vicious in his attacks against Mr Romanov.

"Taking into account the facts that have been omitted by the media it can be presumed that each of these cases is not a coincidence, but the result of targeted actions of a mafia that wants to manipulate the club and the results.

"Every year Hearts fights to be in the top 3, but even last season in the last 12 games of the season it was almost like someone replaced the team with a different one. Whose fault is that? Players? Manager's? Or it is mafia.

"Stealing players, bad games, problems with the law - all of that on top of record SFA fines. Problems are just shifted to another level.

"Mafia are dragging kids into the crime, in order to blackmail and profit on them. It is not possible to separate these people from pedophiles, and you don't need to do that. Each year we are forced to fight against these maniacs harder and harder. We are standing in their way not letting them manipulate the game of football in the way they want. As such they undermine us in every possible way they can.

"The task of the club is to tear these kids out of hands of criminals."

:psyduck:

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Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.


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