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Jun 28, 2011 04:38
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In the first two books that's the only time I saw that happen so I'm going to say maybe GRRM wanted him to initially be this weird comic relief super dwarf but thought better of it in a chapter or two.
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Jun 28, 2011 04:41
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GreenBuckanneer posted:In the first two books that's the only time I saw that happen so I'm going to say maybe GRRM wanted him to initially be this weird comic relief super dwarf but thought better of it in a chapter or two. He didn't go back and edit that part out after he wrote the rest of the book?? But editing is what GRRM enjoys most of all!
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Jun 28, 2011 04:45
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Hedrigall posted:He didn't go back and edit that part out after he wrote the rest of the book?? But editing is what GRRM enjoys most of all! At least he edited that part where Tyrion champions himself at the Eyrie and powers up to the next level in order to destroy Vardis with a fireball from his rear end.
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Jun 28, 2011 06:07
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Tyrion's capabilities seem to vary wildly from one moment to another. One second he's a hobbled dwarf whose hips hurt if he walks up a few steps, and in the next he's chopping people apart left and a right from horseback and COMBAT ACTION DWARF. I'm not exactly an expert on dwarves, but I can't imagine he'd be too effective fighting from horseback. It just doesn't seem like physics would be on his side. Maybe with a spear or lance or something he can use the horse's weight and momentum with, but a hand axe seems ill-suited to a small person.
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Jun 28, 2011 10:10
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SmugDogMillionaire posted:I'm honestly kindof excited for people posting spoilers but more the quantity of spoilers then actually reading them. The sight of huge black boxes of text in every discussion would indicate, at least, that poo poo Happens. I can wait a couple more weeks to find out about any particular plot developments but I can't wait to know if it's going to be a 1000 pages of disappointing nothing-in-particular-happening like Feast For Crows was. People aren't going to be using spoiler tags, that's the problem
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Jun 28, 2011 10:41
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Hell Diver posted:Tyrion's capabilities seem to vary wildly from one moment to another. One second he's a hobbled dwarf whose hips hurt if he walks up a few steps, and in the next he's chopping people apart left and a right from horseback and COMBAT ACTION DWARF.
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Jun 28, 2011 11:58
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Hell Diver posted:Tyrion's capabilities seem to vary wildly from one moment to another. One second he's a hobbled dwarf whose hips hurt if he walks up a few steps, and in the next he's chopping people apart left and a right from horseback and COMBAT ACTION DWARF. People talked about this in the thread for the show and yeah it's another example of absurdity. A guy who's literally as tall as my reach is long is pretty much guaranteed to die in a swordfight, running around taking out multiple knights is an absolute fantasy Also the writing is growing on me now, but I gotta agree with the complaint re: the ages. I think the show did it right. If the children's ages were all tweaked upwards 2 or 3 years, it would make more sense to me. Rickon at 3 years old controlling his direwolf, Robb at 14 growing into command, it's just below the bottom end of what seems credible. 6 and 16 makes more sense. Yeah yeah they live in a different time, winter is coming, etc but it's still jarring hypocrite lecteur fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jun 28, 2011 |
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Jun 28, 2011 18:52
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Yeah, I think Tyrion battling and doing Sonic the Hedgehog spins was definitely the weakest specific part of the book for me and definitely the most jarring. I definitely remember stopping and saying to myself "How did he just kill 3 Northmen--he's 4 feet tall!"
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Jun 28, 2011 19:12
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hypocrite lecteur posted:Also the writing is growing on me now, but I gotta agree with the complaint re: the ages. I think the show did it right. If the children's ages were all tweaked upwards 2 or 3 years, it would make more sense to me. Rickon at 3 years old controlling his direwolf, Robb at 14 growing into command, it's just below the bottom end of what seems credible. 6 and 16 makes more sense. Yeah yeah they live in a different time, winter is coming, etc but it's still jarring I think 3 year old Rickon and Shaggydog made a ton more sense than 6 year old Rickon. 3 year old Rickon is 3. He doesn't have to ability to "control" the dog. He's just a ball of confusion and emotion with no sort of thinking skills, and that's why Shaggydog is so crazy and wild. He's being controlled by the impulses and jarbled thoughts of a 3 year old, as opposed to Bran who has a more developed mind and is much more capable of thought and controlling his impulses and emotions.
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Jun 28, 2011 19:59
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Series questions, I'm currently on ASOS Is bran or rickon ever mentioned in ASOS or afterwards? Does rickon ever become more than a little brat? What about Arya or Jon? Is there some symbolism between Lady being dead and Sansa being alive? About Jon does he make amends with the wall for killing a black brother? I love his and mormont's relationship  JerkyBunion posted:I think 3 year old Rickon and Shaggydog made a ton more sense than 6 year old Rickon. Lots of people, myself included, would argue a 6 year old is just as impulsive and have the judgement of a child. GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 28, 2011 |
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Jun 28, 2011 20:30
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Series questions, I'm currently on ASOS And Rickon being 3 is fine. You can complain about the other kids ages in the books but that one works.
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Jun 28, 2011 21:12
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hypocrite lecteur posted:People talked about this in the thread for the show and yeah it's another example of absurdity. A guy who's literally as tall as my reach is long is pretty much guaranteed to die in a swordfight, running around taking out multiple knights is an absolute fantasy  quote:Also the writing is growing on me now, but I gotta agree with the complaint re: the ages. I think the show did it right. If the children's ages were all tweaked upwards 2 or 3 years, it would make more sense to me. Rickon at 3 years old controlling his direwolf, Robb at 14 growing into command, it's just below the bottom end of what seems credible. 6 and 16 makes more sense. Yeah yeah they live in a different time, winter is coming, etc but it's still jarring
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Jun 28, 2011 21:38
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Habibi posted:I started treating his POV in these things with a grain of salt. ie: he's really just sort of going crazy and flailing around and not accomplishing a whole lot except maybe delivering glancing blows to people in his way or those already dying/dead but he THINKS he's taking down loving knights, man. It's the only thing that makes sense. That also explains why after The Battle of Blackwater nobody stood up to say, "Hey, this dwarf guy kicked some MAJOR rear end, maybe we ought to knight him."
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Jun 28, 2011 21:40
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So this thread isn't a read-along anymore, is it any different from regular book discussion, just with black bars?
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Jun 28, 2011 22:54
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Mowglis Haircut posted:So this thread isn't a read-along anymore, is it any different from regular book discussion, just with black bars? it's a discussion of the books without devolving into "RAPE LEMONCAKES SPOILERS ABSOLUTE FUCKER" for every post.
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Jun 28, 2011 23:26
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Lawnie posted:it's a discussion of the books without devolving into "RAPE LEMONCAKES SPOILERS ABSOLUTE FUCKER" for every post. Oh right. What happened to the read-along?
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Jun 28, 2011 23:38
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Oh right. What happened to the read-along? I thought there was a separate read-along thread?
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Jun 28, 2011 23:52
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Mowglis Haircut posted:Oh right. What happened to the read-along?
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Jun 28, 2011 23:56
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Kainser posted:The guy who arranged it didn't have time for it any longer. How far did Zombie Lincoln get anyways? I seem to recall the last time I visited this thread he was about halfway through A Clash of Kings.
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Jun 29, 2011 00:02
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Contra Calculus posted:How far did Zombie Lincoln get anyways? I seem to recall the last time I visited this thread he was about halfway through A Clash of Kings. All the way through Clash of Kings I think.
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Jun 29, 2011 00:42
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Eggnogium posted:That also explains why after The Battle of Blackwater nobody stood up to say, "Hey, this dwarf guy kicked some MAJOR rear end, maybe we ought to knight him." Except he did kick rear end (just not in that way). That's explained by his sister taking credit for his ideas, him being out for the count and unable to speak up for himself and the rest of his family being ungrateful assholes.
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Jun 29, 2011 01:21
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Finished up the CoK read through, but had ceased with the in-depth summaries part way through it, what with school dominating my time. There were no takers for leading the read-through for SoS forward. Folks in the TVIV thread were griping about having no place to post if they were part way through the books, so I asked Loose Chanj to change the thread title. We were pretty much already in free-form book talk (with spoiler tags), so it seemed appropriate.
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Jun 29, 2011 01:28
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I'm rereading A Clash of Kings. Anyone else have a hard time seeing how they're going to make episodes of the first half? The first 400 pages are basically prologue. With the exception of Arya. Wow that was a long Jon chapter. I'm so not interested in reading anything about Jon. He's incredibly boring compared to everyone else.
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Jun 30, 2011 21:46
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I'm so not interested in reading anything about Jon. He's incredibly boring compared to everyone else. I don't know I'd argue that Catelyn is the most boring.
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Jun 30, 2011 23:11
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I don't know I'd argue that Catelyn is the most boring. I cringe whenever I see a Catelyn chapter. Her POV throughout the series is almost as bad as Sansa's POVs in GoT.
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Jul 1, 2011 00:04
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I don't know I'd argue that Catelyn is the most boring. How many times can she possibly say "the gods be willing"?
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Jul 1, 2011 01:21
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Can anyone please post the amazing banner ad this thread had a few weeks ago? It seems to have expired
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Habibi posted:I cringe whenever I see a Catelyn chapter. Her POV throughout the series is almost as bad as Sansa's POVs in GoT. After re-reading GoT I don't as much. And have readied myself for aCoK which I'm starting tomorrow. it may change with aCoK - which I will comment when I reread this weekend... In GoT, with Catelyn, we saw insane Lysa, Bronn vs Vardis, and Robb kicking rear end (early on). Yes we see things through her (a mother's) perspective, but it hasn't yet taken anything away from what's happened. I really like the Whispering Wood battle IMO. (I haven't gotten to King in the North) Sansa is the same, we get a different PoV. And we wouldn't have gotten Selmy's dismissal. Upon reread with the show, Sansa was more "tolerable" in her own way. (not completely, no).
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Jul 1, 2011 01:39
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So do people really have ADWD already? I'm scared of the internet right now. Is this the thread to discuss it with spoiler bars then when it comes out?
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bigmcgaffney posted:So do people really have ADWD already? I'm scared of the internet right now. Is this the thread to discuss it with spoiler bars then when it comes out? We're discussing it right now in The Bad thread. Just come on over and let your spoiler roots show.
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Jul 1, 2011 02:30
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Fluffdaddy posted:How many times can she possibly say "the gods be willing"? Not nearly as many times as "You know nothing, Jon Snow." That loving phrase is the most annoying one ever uttered now. I blame Roy Dotrice.
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I'm about 20% done ASOS and Sam is a fuckin BOSS. This whole book is ownage so far. At the same point in ACOK I was bored as hell. I think the thing about this series that pisses me off the most is the fact that the stark family never reunites, and none of them ever know as much as the reader. At times this drives me up the freaking wall, especially with Robb probably having warg attributes but saying later he doesn't believe in that mumbo jumbo. Or just other characters being so stupid to certain things or stubborn as hell. One thing I was thinking of while reading Jaime chapters was how much the actor loving NAILED his book personality. GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jul 1, 2011 |
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Jul 1, 2011 03:04
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I'm about 20% done ASOS and Sam is a fuckin BOSS. I just got done with ASOS on my first re-read since it came out, and I knew it was good, but I'd forgotten how it's just chapter after chapter of pure awesome, especially the second half. GreenBuckanneer posted:I think the thing about this series that pisses me off the most is the fact that the stark family never reunites, and none of them ever know as much as the reader. At times this drives me up the freaking wall, especially with Robb probably having warg attributes but saying later he doesn't believe in that mumbo jumbo. Or just other characters being so stupid to certain things or stubborn as hell. This creates a lot of the tension though. Also remember that in the overall narrative ASOS is not even the halfway point. Even in AFFC they don't meet, and I doubt ADWD will be different. I think a lot of people (including me) are expecting the younger Starks to be one of the biggest payoffs in the last couple of books
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Jul 1, 2011 03:41
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hampig posted:I just got done with ASOS on my first re-read since it came out, and I knew it was good, but I'd forgotten how it's just chapter after chapter of pure awesome, especially the second half. This has got to be one of GRRM's biggest stumbling blocks The stark children's arcs are so disparate. Rob, at the end of feast, is at his zenith, while bran is barely getting the momentum up to reach his. Sansa's momentum is out of her control, and really with LF is pretty unpredictable but hardly approaching satisfaction. Rickon is totally open, and who knows what arya has in store. So, alot of potential to fill 3 books, but alot of potential to waste.
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meanolmrcloud posted:This has got to be one of GRRM's biggest stumbling blocks The stark children's arcs are so disparate. Rob, at the end of feast, is at his zenith, while bran is barely getting the momentum up to reach his. Sansa's momentum is out of her control, and really with LF is pretty unpredictable but hardly approaching satisfaction. Rickon is totally open, and who knows what arya has in store. So, alot of potential to fill 3 books, but alot of potential to waste. How the gently caress did Arya spend two books meandering right around the area where she lost Nymeria and never reunite with with her wolf? There were a couple times where she had some warg-like dreams but I'm sad it never culminated in a giant pack of wolves rolling out of the forest and saving her from one set of kidnappers or another. And then she could live with them. Also, I found Jon really boring all the way though GOT and ACOK but when he joins up with the Wildlings I started to get interested.
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Eggnogium posted:How the gently caress did Arya spend two books meandering right around the area where she lost Nymeria and never reunite with with her wolf? There were a couple times where she had some warg-like dreams but I'm sad it never culminated in a giant pack of wolves rolling out of the forest and saving her from one set of kidnappers or another. And then she could live with them. I figured it's that Nymeria is basically wild at this point and off doing her own thing leading the big wolf pack quote:Also, I found Jon really boring all the way though GOT and ACOK but when he joins up with the Wildlings I started to get interested. Yeah I think that's the first time Jon as a character gets interesting but the story at the Wall certainly gets more interesting in Clash, it's really the first time they start to get into the white walkers mystery that was only alluded to in book one. I do hope they play down Craster's crazy incest sideshow in the TV show, I thought it was kinda stupid in the books and I think it'll just come off as silly on screen. Also I'd say Dany gets lumped with the least interesting arc in Clash overall. It's important but it doesn't change the fact that not much happens.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:I don't know I'd argue that Catelyn is the most boring. I think there is interesting stuff happening in her chapters, but her terrible opinions and assumptions kind of sour it. Things like, "this girl is not pretty, her life must not be worth living why can't she be more like the perfect Sansa" and "this toddler has good wide hips for breeding, a suitable match for Rickon" I probably shouldn't love Theon, but I can't help it. I wish his crazy string of misadventures ended up with him at the wall. He and Jon stuck together would be awesome. Please don't be dead
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Bananaquiter posted:I think there is interesting stuff happening in her chapters, but her terrible opinions and assumptions kind of sour it. I just finished my reread of CoK in preparation for ADWD and it was such a loving tease when Theon comes that close to just saying "gently caress all you guys" and taking the black. There's a dude who wouldn't have to be talked into joining Mance Rayder.
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