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shovelbum posted:173 LSAT, 3.3 undergrad GPA (hosed up a first major then changed it), should I bother applying anywhere or just stay the course for applying to maritime academies? Isn't being a lawyer your lifelong dream? Don't let silly rankings get in your way!
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43442917/ns/business-personal_finance/t/law-grads-going-solo-loving-it/ posted:“Twitter has helped me be on the cutting edge. I know what’s going on right when it’s happening,” she said. “Also I work in my office by myself most days, so it’s like these are my coworkers. That’s who I interact with throughout the day. It helps me not to be so lonely.” See, you won't be lonely as a lawyer! You have Twitter out there to pretend you have friends with.
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Does anyone here do any or know much about clinical negligence work? I don't mean in terms of the legal technicalities but more as in the quality of day to day work etc. I've got a pupillage interview coming up at a chambers specialising in this (and more general professional negligence, but there seems to be a big emphasis on medicine) and I'm wondering if it's any better than the worrying image I have of normal personal injury work just being a stream of 2mph collisions in supermarket car parks and awful clients (though at least this place just represents insurers and defends claims rather than listening to a chain-smoking single mother ranting about how she wants to sue the council because she fell over outside the dole office). Any feedback, such as OH GOD DON'T DO IT, would be appreciated. Edit: I should point out too that although I'm in the UK, any opinion about it in the US or anywhere else is more than welcome because I'm much more interested in the reality of the job than on the minutiae of any given country's rules on breach of duty etc. dos4gw fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jun 28, 2011 |
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Jun 28, 2011 16:57
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dos4gw posted:normal personal injury work just being a stream of 2mph collisions in supermarket car parks and awful clients this is annoyingly close to true quote:(though at least this place just represents insurers and defends claims this, however, is not a bonus in any way
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Jun 28, 2011 17:39
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CLS people: is there a real dividing line between Stone Scholars and everyone else? I missed the GPA cutoff by about .04 for 1L year. Is it a big deal to have Stone on your resume or is it just some meaningless award that's shorthand for a good GPA?
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Holland Oats posted:CLS people: is there a real dividing line between Stone Scholars and everyone else? I missed the GPA cutoff by about .04 for 1L year. Is it a big deal to have Stone on your resume or is it just some meaningless award that's shorthand for a good GPA? As a regular interviewer for my firm, I won't even consider a non-Stone Scholar from CLS.
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Holland Oats posted:CLS people: is there a real dividing line between Stone Scholars and everyone else? I missed the GPA cutoff by about .04 for 1L year. Is it a big deal to have Stone on your resume or is it just some meaningless award that's shorthand for a good GPA? Students won't have much to say, you need to ask people who actually do the recruiting for firms. I have absolutely no idea why firms gave me callbacks or didn't, besides a few interviews I badly flubbed. That said, they're not allowed to pre-screen you so they're going to actually talk to you and look at your resume/transcript, and my suspicion would be they just do flat GPA cutoffs, not bothering to rely on the cutoffs the school set.
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Jun 28, 2011 19:46
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evilweasel posted:Students won't have much to say, you need to ask people who actually do the recruiting for firms. I have absolutely no idea why firms gave me callbacks or didn't, besides a few interviews I badly flubbed. That said, they're not allowed to pre-screen you so they're going to actually talk to you and look at your resume/transcript, and my suspicion would be they just do flat GPA cutoffs, not bothering to rely on the cutoffs the school set.
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So what are these GPA cutoffs generally? I know that places like Wachtell won't look at you unless you have incredible grades but what kind of shape am I in if I have about a 3.38 with 3 A minuses, 2 B plusses, and 2 Bs? I really have no idea what counts as good when it comes to law school. Do I have a good shot at getting into SLIP if I want to work for the federal government?
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Holland Oats posted:So what are these GPA cutoffs generally? I know that places like Wachtell won't look at you unless you have incredible grades but what kind of shape am I in if I have about a 3.38 with 3 A minuses, 2 B plusses, and 2 Bs? I really have no idea what counts as good when it comes to law school. Do I have a good shot at getting into SLIP if I want to work for the federal government? I was at a vault 50 firm, and I think it was 3.4 at the one school I knew about. I don't know what they were elsewhere.
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commish posted:Isn't being a lawyer your lifelong dream? Don't let silly rankings get in your way! NC Central here I come!
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Has anyone published an article--not a note or comment--in a journal or law review before? And if so, any advice/thoughts on the process?
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Jun 28, 2011 22:18
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Bathing Jesus posted:Has anyone published an article--not a note or comment--in a journal or law review before? And if so, any advice/thoughts on the process? I was chosen for publication but withdrew it since my article was kind of silly and I kind of wrote it as a joke. My only suggestion is, if you are wanting to publish in a secondary journal, to make it as interesting and wacky as possible (doesn't have to be legally relevant). Of course, I'm just going off of what I saw on my own secondary journal, maybe other schools have standards. Also, don't plagiarize. I am so annoyed with the amount of plagiarism I see in professors' articles.
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Bathing Jesus posted:Has anyone published an article--not a note or comment--in a journal or law review before? And if so, any advice/thoughts on the process? Be very clear with yourself that you're OK with a piece of writing being attached to you for the rest of your days. If you're fortunate enough to ever be in a position where you could become a professor or judge the Powers that Be will look the article up and use it in their analysis.
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Excellent, Coors Light is now marketing directly to alcoholic law students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6WMnFsGgK8
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Holland Oats posted:So what are these GPA cutoffs generally? I know that places like Wachtell won't look at you unless you have incredible grades but what kind of shape am I in if I have about a 3.38 with 3 A minuses, 2 B plusses, and 2 Bs? I really have no idea what counts as good when it comes to law school. Do I have a good shot at getting into SLIP if I want to work for the federal government? No no no you've got this all wrong CLS doesn't have GPAs remember? Maybe if the administration pretends hard enough (and scrubs the only useful information out of the clerkship handbook) it'll actually become true! 
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when should I start applying to 2L summer jobs?
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Sulecrist posted:when should I start applying to 2L summer jobs? What kind of job are you looking for?
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Blakkout posted:What kind of job are you looking for? Metro DA. I'm going to apply to Philly, Baltimore, Santa Fe, and Abq in the next few days if I can summon the energy (because I'll be in the cities before the end of the summer) but I'm not sure about the rest.
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Sulecrist posted:Metro DA. I'm going to apply to Philly, Baltimore, Santa Fe, and Abq in the next few days if I can summon the energy (because I'll be in the cities before the end of the summer) but I'm not sure about the rest. Yeah, as soon as is possible after your 1L year. At least at my school, the prosecutor jobs interviewed in Sept and Oct. Those months are closer than you think.
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Bathing Jesus posted:Has anyone published an article--not a note or comment--in a journal or law review before? And if so, any advice/thoughts on the process? Answer two questions and you'll get better advice and thoughts. Where in the process are you? (I.e. have you basically finished your article, have a decent draft done, just starting to write, just the germ of an idea, etc.) What are you? Student, practitioner? (We can safely assume you aren't a prof since you would have published if you were.) It matters which you are. I'm guessing practitioner?
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Blakkout posted:What kind of job are you looking for? I want a paying firm job in DC. When should I start applying to places independent from whatever help OCS provides?
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Bathing Jesus posted:Has anyone published an article--not a note or comment--in a journal or law review before? And if so, any advice/thoughts on the process? Pay attention to what journal/law review you're writing for also. Where I went, I wrote my law review article on something rather national in scope, and it wasn't chosen mainly because it wasn't Minnesota-focused. That wouldn't be as big a deal at a place like Harvard, but if it's a smaller school, you probably need to tailor it to the region it's in.
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So I just scored 172 on the 2011 June LSAT and I have a 3.75 undergrad GPA. Honestly I've really no loving clue what to do from here. After some research I've determined that my score & GPA are good enough to likely get me into one T14 or another (Not Harvard or Yale, though maybe Stanford if I'm lucky) but only with minimal scholarships opportunities if any. On the other hand I could likely get into a decent T1 with a partial or full ride. So I'm looking at a $200,000-$250,000 debt and a T14 education or a $0-$75,000 debt and a T1 education. I have no clue what to do and having stumbled across this thread and reading the OP I'm only more inclined to avoid as much debt as possible. Especially when I consider the fact that being an associate at a biglaw firm sounds about as much fun as spending 5-10 years of my life in a north Korean prison camp. Any Goonish advice out there? Other than doing what my bro did and give up law immediately after getting his J.D. to go to med school.  I'm not giving up on getting my J.D. not at this point, I'm far too much of a stubborn rear end in a top hat for that. Xvimic fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Jun 29, 2011 |
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Xvimic posted:So I just scored 172 on the 2011 June LSAT and I have a 3.75 undergrad GPA. It's possible that things have changed, but you should have a good shot at getting a partial scholarship at a Edit: Whoops, meant T13. Edit 2: Try to get as many application fee waivers as you can. Don't be afraid to ask. MoFauxHawk fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jun 29, 2011 |
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Apply to a range of T1 schools in cities where you would like to live and practice, plus all of the T15, and see what happens?
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How do you get application fee waivers, anyway? Also, what are schools looking for in terms of LORs/Evals? LSAC has a table of min/rec/max numbers of each. I usually use a professor from undergrad and a boss who saw me every day 10 hours a day for 5 months once in the field, I'm on the right track here, right? Do any schools want other TYPES of references besides academic and professional?
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Apply to a range of T1 schools in cities where you would like to live and practice, plus all of the T15, and see what happens? Well that was the tentative and admittedly obvious plan I had come up with. Still I'm wondering about the extra hundred or so grand I will probably be expected to pay for a T14 against the cheaper but less prestigious T1 education. Assuming, as it is, that I'm not terribly enthralled with the notion of being a biglaw madman. The debt from T14 sounds oppressive and I don't know how I'll pay it off with out taking a job I might hate. I mean, the cash is nice from biglaw (assuming I could even swing a job) but I've heard stories from friends about 90 hour work weeks and constant incestuous co-worker backstabbing which quite frankly doesn't sound worth the salary to me. It is nice to hear that some dudes managed to swing decent scholarships with stats like mine though. I know you are right though, I'm not working with all the information until I get acceptance letters and negotiate some. Hard not to war-game a bit anyways.
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You're getting way ahead of yourself. Apply, get in, see what you are offered, then make your decisions.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You're getting way ahead of yourself. Apply, get in, see what you are offered, then make your decisions. Correct.
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Alright alright, I'm gonna go drink some beer.
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Does anyone know of any government offices or nonprofits that give job offers to their 2L summer interns? I know that the New York City Law Department does but that's the only one I've heard.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Apply to a range of T1 schools in cities where you would like to live and practice, plus all of the T15, and see what happens? This seems to be the best option to me. Holland Oats posted:Does anyone know of any government offices or nonprofits that give job offers to their 2L summer interns? I know that the New York City Law Department does but that's the only one I've heard. Some jobs for the Feds do, but not many. See if you can get access to that U of A handbook with all the listings. Also, if you do end up applying for some of those those, it's not a bad idea to get started now. Edit: commish posted:Yeah, seriously. "Hi, I didn't apply to any schools. Should I go to Columbia and pay sticker or GW and pay 1/4th? Thanks." :p Why would you delete the second half? That was the most insightful part. Blakkout fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jun 29, 2011 |
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You're getting way ahead of yourself. Apply, get in, see what you are offered, then make your decisions. Yeah, seriously. "Hi, I didn't apply to any schools. Should I go to Columbia and pay sticker or GW and pay 1/4th? Thanks." :p commish fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jun 29, 2011 |
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So, current or former federal clerks or clerkship aspirants, can you guys tell me anything about prospects for being a "mid-career clerk?" In this case by "mid-career" I mean after 2-3 years as a state prosecutor. My academic credentials are fairly solid but not really enough to get a clerkship at graduation (roughly top third at Columbia, secondary journal), but I'm not sure whether this becomes less relevant after a few years of practice. I'm really only interested in District court clerkships since I would be doing this to make myself a more appealing candidate to be an AUSA. Those of you who are more familiar with the clerkship application process and the job itself (ie most people in this thread,) does this seem like a realistic goal? What are the judges going to be looking for from someone who's a couple years out of school that they wouldn't be looking for in a fresh graduate, besides actual substantive legal experience I guess? Are most District judges even open to taking clerks who aren't graduating 3Ls? Has anyone else gone through this process as a post-graduate and would maybe like to share their experiences?
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Xvimic posted:Well that was the tentative and admittedly obvious plan I had come up with. Still I'm wondering about the extra hundred or so grand I will probably be expected to pay for a T14 against the cheaper but less prestigious T1 education. Assuming, as it is, that I'm not terribly enthralled with the notion of being a biglaw madman. The debt from T14 sounds oppressive and I don't know how I'll pay it off with out taking a job I might hate. I mean, the cash is nice from biglaw (assuming I could even swing a job) but I've heard stories from friends about 90 hour work weeks and constant incestuous co-worker backstabbing which quite frankly doesn't sound worth the salary to me.
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prussian advisor posted:So, current or former federal clerks or clerkship aspirants, can you guys tell me anything about prospects for being a "mid-career clerk?" In this case by "mid-career" I mean after 2-3 years as a state prosecutor. My academic credentials are fairly solid but not really enough to get a clerkship at graduation (roughly top third at Columbia, secondary journal), but I'm not sure whether this becomes less relevant after a few years of practice. I'm really only interested in District court clerkships since I would be doing this to make myself a more appealing candidate to be an AUSA. I don't have any answers for you, but a friend of mine is leaving her firm (she's a 4th year) and is going to clerk in a district court. She felt that her experience was a plus with this particular judge, but that's just one judge, of course.
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nm posted:Please note that scholarships aside, T14s won't me notably more expensive on average than even a T4 private. This is true even for public T14s, which cost about the same as their private counterparts and usually have a token discount for in-state students (about 10% off sticker, as opposed to the usual ~65-85% discount.)
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You're getting way ahead of yourself. Apply, get in, see what you are offered, then make your decisions. As long as your decision is not to go. You are not a snowflake.
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quepasa18 posted:Pay attention to what journal/law review you're writing for also. Where I went, I wrote my law review article on something rather national in scope, and it wasn't chosen mainly because it wasn't Minnesota-focused. That wouldn't be as big a deal at a place like Harvard, but if it's a smaller school, you probably need to tailor it to the region it's in. To respond to everyone's comments at once - there's no plagiarism involved, the article isn't at all preempted, etc. I just graduated and will be working at a firm by the time the article gets published; my coauthor will be clerking on the 9th Circuit. Broadly speaking, the article is about trademark theory, which is the area I'm hoping to work myself into at my firm come this fall, so I'm certainly happy having my name attached to it. At this point, we've been through about six drafts and are currently in the process of getting comments from professors and our friends (including the last two executive articles editors of our LR). Essentially, I'm just poking around to see if y'all have any advice about submission strategies. And I guess to that end, since most everyone in here is a huge IP nerd, if anyone's heard any broad consensus about which specialty IP journals are worth trying to publish in. Harvard's JOLT, BTLJ and Columbia Journal of Law & the Arts are the three we're shooting for right now, but it's hard to really gauge whether we'd be better off there or in the Utah Law Review or something. e: Those three plus traditional LRs, obviously. Bathing Jesus fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 29, 2011 |
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