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anakha
Sep 16, 2009


TheLizard posted:

Kayangan Lake is a definite; what is Baker's Hill?

It's a quaint little bakery/theme park in Puerto Princesa that also happens to carry a nice selection of local baked goodies. You can probably kill an hour or so wandering around (longer if you've got kids with you) before filling up at the bakery, if you want a bit of a change from the regular beach itinerary.

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lemonadesweetheart
May 27, 2010

superwofl posted:

If anyone wants some info about Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, Bali) or Philippines I can give some recommendations/advice if you ask. Seems like they're the least visited countries by Goons but IMO are the best in all of SE Asia. Really friendly locals that are easy to communicate with and also the most beautiful mountains and islands.

How do I upload photos here? Does waffleimages not work anymore?

I just came back from Surabaya after seeing Mount Bromo and Ijen Crater. It was goddamn amazing. I love Indonesia so much.

teeris
May 7, 2007
Wheres a good place to go in Bangkok Friday night for some partying/clubbing with non-working girls? I got here two days ago and think il be moving on soon but i wouldnt mind to have some drunken fun first.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

teeris posted:

Wheres a good place to go in Bangkok Friday night for some partying/clubbing with non-working girls? I got here two days ago and think il be moving on soon but i wouldnt mind to have some drunken fun first.
If you have nice clothes (or club clothes, I guess) and some cash - and close-toed shoes - you can hit up the douchey bed/q-bar/whatever circuit over around Sukhumvit Soi 11. I think there are a number of clubs back in that area. Some might have a few working girls, but most of them are full of models, wannabe models, expat package finance guys, ISB kids, boiler room types and so on. The perfect club kid crowd!

http://www.qbarbangkok.com/
http://www.bedsupperclub.com/bangkok/en/

Bangkok's hottest club is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbUvW7Rurw

Tuff Scrote
Apr 23, 2004
Chiang Mai is.... alright. Saw the temples, gonna head to the elephants and hill people tomorrow. I'm staying by the Tha Phae gate. Where's a good bar around here?

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

teeris posted:

Wheres a good place to go in Bangkok Friday night for some partying/clubbing with non-working girls? I got here two days ago and think il be moving on soon but i wouldnt mind to have some drunken fun first.

RCA is more of a middle/upper-middle class crowd, and Ratchada Soi 4 (I think 4, my memory sucks and I'm too tired to Google) is more lower-middle class. My Chula friends outright refused to go there. Thonglor is fairly classy but whites generally aren't as welcome (skews Japanese). I mean, you're not going to get spit on or beat up or anything, it's just atypical and there are better bets.

Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jul 8, 2011

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
The biggest difference between RCA and Ratchada Soi 4 is that the former is mostly DJs and the latter is more live music oriented. What's popular with the rich kids changes with the winds.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
RCA was a blast for me because I had some local bring me there and introduced their friends to me.

But none can compare to a US college town bar with a thursday special. 5 US cover and then a whole bucket of legitimate mixed drinks at $1.75.

They take Khao San road/ Haad Rin buckets to another level.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Ah yeah, I brain-farted. RCA and Ratchada would be a good place to go. Also Thong Lo, though that's more young professionals. I was too old for the RCA poo poo by the time I got here, heh.

How anyone can stand Thai pubs is beyond me. Everyone standing in a jam-packed area with the speakers turned up beyond imaginable sound levels. I have no idea what the loving deal is with Thai people and music volume. It's one of my only pet peeves about this country, they are absolutely insane about music volume. In 3 decades there's going to be a deafness epidemic here, no joke.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

ReindeerF posted:

Ah yeah, I brain-farted. RCA and Ratchada would be a good place to go. Also Thong Lo, though that's more young professionals. I was too old for the RCA poo poo by the time I got here, heh.

How anyone can stand Thai pubs is beyond me. Everyone standing in a jam-packed area with the speakers turned up beyond imaginable sound levels. I have no idea what the loving deal is with Thai people and music volume. It's one of my only pet peeves about this country, they are absolutely insane about music volume. In 3 decades there's going to be a deafness epidemic here, no joke.

Thai people just love to crank it to 11. Air conditioning, sugar in your drink, whatever. It's kinda why they're awesome.

Rojkir
Jun 26, 2007

WARNING:I AM A FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT.
Police beatings get me hard

Tuff Ghost posted:

Chiang Mai is.... alright. Saw the temples, gonna head to the elephants and hill people tomorrow. I'm staying by the Tha Phae gate. Where's a good bar around here?

The three story one accross it (about a twohunderd meters south on the old town side), has a nice roof terras on the third floor, can't remember the name. Then you have the square with the reggae bar and such which is kind of nice, totally depending on the people. There is a jazz bar up in the north of the old town that's supposed to be good, never been there.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Thai people just love to crank it to 11. Air conditioning, sugar in your drink, whatever. It's kinda why they're awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipTmT8XeAo

brendanwor
Sep 7, 2005

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Thonglor is fairly classy but whites generally aren't as welcome (skews Japanese). I mean, you're not going to get spit on or beat up or anything, it's just atypical and there are better bets.

Nah, that's not true, tons of whities on Thonglor these days dude. Go to any given restaurant or club around Thonglor/Ekkamai and there are groups of young farang expats, not atypical by any means.

brendanwor fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 8, 2011

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Thai people just love to crank it to 11. Air conditioning, sugar in your drink, whatever. It's kinda why they're awesome.
Yeah, that's true. Like I sometimes blather, I wouldn't change anything even if I could because everything I hate about Thailand is the flip side of something I love about Thailand.

EDIT: Yeah, I'd say Thong Lo is farang friendly, but you have to be dressed for the part. Dress like what you imagine a wealthy gay Thai-Chinese person looks like and you'll fit right in (tapered, incredibly tight black jeans, stupid pointy shoes, spikey hair, man purse, super-tight oxford button-down).

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Jul 9, 2011

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Forgot the man panties.

Finch!
Sep 11, 2001

Spatial Awareness?

[ ] Whaleshark

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On Thursday I'll have to get a taxi from the Khao San area to Don Mueang Airport. Last time I did that I confused the taxi driver with my lovely pronunciation. What's the right way to say it?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Steve. posted:

On Thursday I'll have to get a taxi from the Khao San area to Don Mueang Airport. Last time I did that I confused the taxi driver with my lovely pronunciation. What's the right way to say it?

Don as in Don Corleone and Mueang is just "moo ahng."

Finch!
Sep 11, 2001

Spatial Awareness?

[ ] Whaleshark

404 Not Found

Sheep-Goats posted:

Don as in Don Corleone and Mueang is just "moo ahng."

Awesome, thanks. I was pronouncing it more like "myou-ang."

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Steve. posted:

Awesome, thanks. I was pronouncing it more like "myou-ang."

Well the eu sound isn't exactly the same as oo but it's pretty close. I think the difference is eu has your lips in a kind of grimace whereas oo has them pursed, other than that I think they're otherwise the same.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
One of my favorite bits of Thai trivia. When they named the new airport (Suvarnabhumi) one of the things they made a deal about was making sure that the new name would be easier for foreigners to pronounce. In practice, Suvarnabhumi is really easy to pronounce, but in classic Thai fashion you can tell that it was 100% Thai people in a room without a single English speaker when they transliterated it using the official Royal transliteration system (which is why there's an absurd "i" on the end) and came up with SUVARNABHUMI which is horribly difficult to pronounce from reading only and looks nothing like Soowannapoom.

Amazing Thailand.

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Where Thailand goes, the region follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eix1iHWVc8

quote:

Over 1,400 arrested, tear gas fired in Malaysia protest
Reuters, Kuala Lampur

Malaysian police fired repeated rounds of tear gas and detained over 1,400 people in the capital on Saturday as thousands of activists evaded roadblocks and barbed wire to hold a street protest against Prime Minister Najib Razak's government.

At least a dozen people were hurt in the demonstration for electoral reform in downtown Kuala Lumpur. There were no reports of serious injuries but some analysts said the police action was excessive and would dent Najib's image.

"We are not criminals, we are just asking for free and fair elections," opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim's daughter, Nurul Izzah Anwar, told reporters after her father was knocked down and hurt in a melee when he and his supporters were tear gassed.

"Many innocent people were injured. We condemn this act of cruelty by UMNO and Barisan Nasional," she said, referring to Najib's party and the ruling coalition.

Street protests are rare in this Southeast Asian nation, but foreign investors are worried that any groundswell of anti-government sentiment could delay economic reforms seen as essential to draw investment.

If he is put under popular pressure, Najib may reconsider plans for a snap election and hold back on reforms such as cutting fuel subsidies or unwinding an affirmative action program for the country's Malay majority.

Polls are not due until 2013 but analysts have said Najib could seek an early mandate after economic growth accelerated to a 10-year high in 2010.

"From Najib's perspective, holding elections anytime soon would be a mistake because of the damage that has been done today," said Bridget Welsh, Malaysia specialist at Singapore Management University.

"The fact that such a large crowd turned up despite a crackdown shows that voter anger is deep and this is going to push a lot of people who are in the middle toward the opposition."

Reuters witnesses saw tear gas shells lobbed repeatedly at groups of protesters in downtown Kuala Lumpur as the crowds chanted "Long Live the People" and "Reformasi, reformasi," the Malay word for reform.

Several people were seen bleeding after the tear gas was fired, but police gave no details of any injuries. Crowds around the city's main bus station were also sprayed with water cannon.

Malaysia's inspector-general of police, Ismail Omar, said 1,401 people were taken into custody, but many will be released after questioning. At least three senior opposition leaders were among those detained, other officials said.

"We have made our point that we want free and fair elections," said Chan Mei Yin, a 32-year old accountant who joined the protest.

"The police are just showing that they are brutal to Malaysians. I will not vote for this government."


NOT THAILAND

While Malaysia is far from being divided by political strife like its northern neighbor Thailand, the opposition has been steadily growing more vocal.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets at a November 2007 rally, which analysts said galvanized support for the opposition ahead of record gains in a 2008 general election.

Analysts said the turnout of protesters on Saturday was more than 10,000, around the same as in 2007. Police, however, put the number at 5,000-6,000, while protest organizers claimed 50,000 attended.

"Malaysian civil society is showing the government that intimidation will not work," said Ooi Kee Beng, a political analyst at the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies of Singapore.

"We're seeing a lack of will on the part of the government to try to negotiate and to defuse the situation. It's all going to look very bad outside Malaysia."

After Malaysia's constitutional monarch tried to defuse the situation, the government initially offered Bersih (Clean), the group that called the protest, the use of a stadium to hold its demonstration.

But it baulked at allowing the group to use the main stadium in downtown Kuala Lumpur, at which point Bersih said it would defy the ban.


From midnight, police locked down the central shopping district of the city of 1.6 million people, setting up roadblocks and barring taxis and buses from the area. Suburban trains, however, continued to operate and other areas of the city were not affected.

Bersih has vowed to bring together tens of thousands of supporters to the protest but it fell short. Still, some analysts said the government faced a problem.

"Just looking at the crowd there were many 'first timers', young people from the Facebook generation who just wanted to have a peaceful life," said Ibrahim Suffian, director of the independent opinion polling outfit Merdeka Center.

"This is trouble for Najib as it will polarize traditionally non-political segments of society like the young even further away from him."


Najib took power in 2009, and inherited a divided ruling coalition which had been weakened by historic losses in the 2008 polls. He has promised to restructure government and economy and introduced an inclusive brand of politics aimed at uniting the country's different races.

Najib's approval ratings have risen from 45 percent to 69 percent in February, according to independent polling outfit Merdeka Center. But analysts said recent ethnic and religious differences have undermined his popularity.

(Additional reporting by Angie Teo and Damir Sagolj; Writing by Liau Y-Sing; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan and Sugita Katyal)

There were protests a month or whatever ago too about a different issue, and the last protest of this size was also about election reform but took place way back in 2007.

Bulging Nipples
Jan 16, 2006
hm maybe thats why the ticket to KL that I bought a week ago was so cheap

brendanwor
Sep 7, 2005

ReindeerF posted:

In practice, Suvarnabhumi is really easy to pronounce, but in classic Thai fashion you can tell that it was 100% Thai people in a room without a single English speaker when they transliterated it using the official Royal transliteration system (which is why there's an absurd "i" on the end) and came up with SUVARNABHUMI which is horribly difficult to pronounce from reading only and looks nothing like Soowannapoom.

To be fair, the Thai spelling of Suvarnabhumi (สุวรรณภูมิ) does have a short "i" vowel after the "m" sound, but given that it's silent in Thai as well, it doesn't make sense to transliterate it and confuse the poo poo out of everyone. And I have no idea why the letter "v" exists in official transliteration at all, since there's no equivalent sound in Thai, only "w" (ว).

brendanwor fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jul 11, 2011

Tuff Scrote
Apr 23, 2004
Welp. Headed down to Patpong and saw a ping-pong show last night. I'd highly recommend never going to one of these. Truely one of the worst things I've ever seen

I was in there for about 10 minutes when one of the girls I was with got hit by a banana and ran out.

Tuff Scrote fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jul 15, 2011

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Hahaha. If you're American, make sure to hit up a donkey show in Mexico when you're back. The ping pong show seems tame in comparison to a woman blowing a donkey - which is awful and degrading and you should not go and in retrospect only seemed like a funyn idea because I was in college and it sounded like a funny idea. I think I got dragged to a ping pong show with a visiting friend and his wife like 5-6 years ago, but I honestly don't remember for sure. Do as the Thais do - avoid Patpong (except for The Madrid, which is cool in its own way).

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Patpong is one of the best places to buy DVDs in Asia. :colbert:

Also the half-soi leading from Silom to the side entrance to Soi Thaniya has a pretty decent Japanese ramen shop. And, of course, if you happen to be gay (I'm not but like half of my male Thai friends are, more or less) the gay oriented sois near Patpong are not scummy and very popular.

Most importantly, though, if you take a girl to a "PING PONG BANANA SHOW?" and she doesn't get hit by a banana what fun is that? It'd be like taking an old college buddy to see Nana and not tricking him into snuggling with a lady boy.

raton fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 14, 2011

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
That's true, Patpong soi 4 is okay if you're gay - even if you're not. Tapas and some of the other places there are pretty open to anyone, though of course they draw a gay and gay-friendly crowd. The upstairs dance joint at Tapas used to have a fun house band thing, a DJ spinning house and lounge stuff with actual drummers playing the djembe or whatever. Thaniya doesn't really count, it's fine either way. In fact, if you're not Japanese then it's the safest soi in the area, heh.

To be perfectly honest, Patpong is fine for tourists, there are dance clubs and bars and what not that you don't need to do anything in. The problem is that it's getting run down and seedier as it's sort of fallen out of favor a bit with the tourist trail. As well, Bangkokian Thai folks with any class generally won't set foot in Patpong 1 & 2 for almost any reason (the big cleanup day was an interesting sight that way), which is a huge change from the 1980s apparently, when the HiSo of the HiSo used to party at some select bars there like Superstar. So if you are with Thai friends, take them somewhere else. The place has been in a slow decline for decades, though. I used to live nearby when I first arrived, so we'd hit the dance clubs and hang out at a friend's straight bar on the gay soi (closed now), sometimes at Tapas too. It was fun, the only reason I put people off of it is that there are much better places to hang out these days and because there are some seedy as gently caress bars there, heh.

Modus Operandi
Oct 5, 2010

ReindeerF posted:

If you have nice clothes (or club clothes, I guess) and some cash - and close-toed shoes - you can hit up the douchey bed/q-bar/whatever circuit over around Sukhumvit Soi 11. I think there are a number of clubs back in that area. Some might have a few working girls, but most of them are full of models, wannabe models, expat package finance guys, ISB kids, boiler room types and so on. The perfect club kid crowd!

A few working girls is an understatement. The last time I went to Q-bar (which was a couple years ago) it was wall to wall freelance hookers dressed as normal girls with shady looking punters doing the rounds. Bed supperclub is definitely douchey though. They had an oiled up muscleman flexing on stage to club music the last time I was in there and a lot of bored looking Stefon'ish clubbers standing around trying to look cool. I left immediately.

Tuff Scrote
Apr 23, 2004
Anyway or anywhere where I can not be constantly ripped off in Thailand (besides speaking the language)?

I spent the day on the Chao Praya zooming around the water taxis and checking out the temples. I was cruising around the Wang Lang market for soda in a bag. After seeing a local get one from a stand I approached and asked for one. They make the same thing but put it in a a clear smoothie cup with a straw and ask for 25 baht. I said "no no in a bag, not 25 baht!" and they looked at me like I was an idiot. I ended up paying out of frustration. I thought I was safe because I was out of the Khao San rip-off market, but I guess I was wrong.

Rojkir
Jun 26, 2007

WARNING:I AM A FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT.
Police beatings get me hard

ReindeerF posted:

That's true,

Love your new avatar man, what did you do to deserve it?

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

Rojkir posted:

Love your new avatar man, what did you do to deserve it?

Was he posting in the China thread again? China thread people are very touchy.

Edit: Looks like it was D&D. I got banned one time for posting in that movies forum.

Tuff Ghost posted:

Anyway or anywhere where I can not be constantly ripped off in Thailand (besides speaking the language)?

I spent the day on the Chao Praya zooming around the water taxis and checking out the temples. I was cruising around the Wang Lang market for soda in a bag. After seeing a local get one from a stand I approached and asked for one. They make the same thing but put it in a a clear smoothie cup with a straw and ask for 25 baht. I said "no no in a bag, not 25 baht!" and they looked at me like I was an idiot. I ended up paying out of frustration. I thought I was safe because I was out of the Khao San rip-off market, but I guess I was wrong.

Bag soda is like 10B so you got "ripped off" to the tune of about fifty cents. I know it's a hassle you don't deal with at home but things are just like that in a lot of tourist destinations, including almost all of the rest of Asia. If you'd have bought your soda from the vendor next to that guy maybe you wouldn't have had an issue, it's just bad luck. When I'm there and the heat is getting to me and some vendor does something like that and my initial protestations do nothing to fix it I just walk off without paying and let them keep the soda.

I had a motorcycle taxi guy one time who initally tried to gouge me really badly but I eventually got him down to a normal price. Halfway there he stopped at a market and started shopping for a watermelon from his bike. I asked him if he was shopping for a melon and he said yes, so I just got off and got into a taxi. He changed his mind about the trip I guess so I did too.

raton fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jul 16, 2011

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Rojkir posted:

Love your new avatar man, what did you do to deserve it?
I ventured out of the two safe places for me on SA, heh (D&D and this thread) into another thread on this sub-forum where a guy was whinging about people who travel. My only complaint about the title is that it isn't clever - I don't mind being slagged off, but at least make me laugh :)

Tuff Ghost posted:

I spent the day on the Chao Praya zooming around the water taxis and checking out the temples. I was cruising around the Wang Lang market for soda in a bag. After seeing a local get one from a stand I approached and asked for one. They make the same thing but put it in a a clear smoothie cup with a straw and ask for 25 baht. I said "no no in a bag, not 25 baht!" and they looked at me like I was an idiot. I ended up paying out of frustration. I thought I was safe because I was out of the Khao San rip-off market, but I guess I was wrong.
I've dealt with this - often times they also just assume that as a foreigner you want it in a cup, and they always charge more for cups (though usually not 15 Baht more). If you just say "sai toong" when you order (for "put it in a bag") it'll alleviate the problem. There are lots of weird little situations like this where you have to counter assumptions. You have to do a convincing act if you want spicy food, for example, because they'll think you can't eat it. When you get on a bus the conductor will often want to know in great detail where you're going and if you use a location name she's not familiar with she'll try to usher you off thinking you're lost. Lots of the problems you experience here (and I'm not saying this is a case, but in general) come from Thai people trying to anticipate your needs and misfiring, heh.

brendanwor
Sep 7, 2005

ReindeerF posted:

When you get on a bus the conductor will often want to know in great detail where you're going and if you use a location name she's not familiar with she'll try to usher you off thinking you're lost.

You catch buses in Bangkok? Why? :v:

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless

brendanwor posted:

You catch buses in Bangkok? Why? :v:

Sip baaaaahhhhhhtttt

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

brendanwor posted:

You catch buses in Bangkok? Why? :v:
To maintain my low impact lifestyle and also because me in my bus and you in your taxi are moving at almost the same speed through the lovely traffic, heh. In fairness I never took a bus until last year when someone I knew mentioned taking them and I thought, "gently caress, it's stupid that I've lived here for four years and never gotten on a bus." Now I take the bus about 20% of the time when I'm going somewhere. Living at a pier, the boat features prominently too of course, heh. I prefer the boat. And saengtaews. And especially motorbike taxis.

EDIT: Haha, yes, sip baaahhhtttt - or often sip hok baaahhhhtt if it's the loving orange shitbox. Yellow buses are :cool:

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jul 18, 2011

Jesus Rocket
Apr 25, 2003

superwofl posted:

If anyone wants some info about Indonesia (Sumatra, Java, Bali) or Philippines I can give some recommendations/advice if you ask. Seems like they're the least visited countries by Goons but IMO are the best in all of SE Asia. Really friendly locals that are easy to communicate with and also the most beautiful mountains and islands.

How do I upload photos here? Does waffleimages not work anymore?

I would love more info on Indonesia. I'm planning on visiting Prambanan and Borobudur in Java and checking out Ubud in Bali. Good/bad places to visit? Any other recommendations?

I'll be traveling SE Asia for 3 weeks with a friend. We bought tickets into Bangkok and out from Jakarta. What is the best way to get from the mainland out to Java and Bali? We are planning on mainly doing northern Thailand and Cambodia. Should we take a boat from Vietnam? From southern Thailand and island hope starting with Sumatra? What are our options?

Probably a lot more questions to come!

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

ReindeerF posted:

To maintain my low impact lifestyle and also because me in my bus and you in your taxi are moving at almost the same speed through the lovely traffic, heh. In fairness I never took a bus until last year when someone I knew mentioned taking them and I thought, "gently caress, it's stupid that I've lived here for four years and never gotten on a bus." Now I take the bus about 20% of the time when I'm going somewhere. Living at a pier, the boat features prominently too of course, heh. I prefer the boat. And saengtaews. And especially motorbike taxis.

EDIT: Haha, yes, sip baaahhhtttt - or often sip hok baaahhhhtt if it's the loving orange shitbox. Yellow buses are :cool:

When i was living in Chinatown doing my TEFL for 5 weeks, I used to catch the #53 from Yaowarat, which more or less followed the river to Thanon Phra Athit, which is right behind Soi Rambutri/Khao San. Then I'd drop off my laundry, grab a beer or two, and head home, repeat the following night to pick it up. Busses are especially bearable at night; not as hot and usually moving at a good clip.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Jesus Rocket posted:

I would love more info on Indonesia. I'm planning on visiting Prambanan and Borobudur in Java and checking out Ubud in Bali. Good/bad places to visit? Any other recommendations?

I've only seen a corner of that vast country. Nusa Tenggara has everything an independent backpacker could want: world-class surfing and diving, volcanoes, hill tribes, dirt-cheap prices. Head east from Bali. If you have plenty of time, eventually you'll end up on Timor. Flores is probably the most spectacular of all those islands.

quote:

I'll be traveling SE Asia for 3 weeks with a friend. We bought tickets into Bangkok and out from Jakarta. What is the best way to get from the mainland out to Java and Bali? We are planning on mainly doing northern Thailand and Cambodia. Should we take a boat from Vietnam? From southern Thailand and island hope starting with Sumatra? What are our options?

Best way to Jakarta is flying from KL or Singapore. I don't think there is any passenger boat traffic from points north of the peninsula. If you only have three weeks and are already traveling in northern Thailand and Cambodia, forget Indonesia. You don't have enough time.

If you can stretch that time significantly, take the train south from Bangkok to Butterworth, Malaysia, catch the ferry across to Georgetown on Penang Island, and then take a ferry to Medan, on Sumatra. This is an enormous distance from Jakarta still, just so you know, and travel time on Sumatra is long. Once you're in Jakarta, it's an overnight bus to Bali.

Personally, given the choice between northern Thailand/Cambodia and Indonesia, I wouldn't hesitate to choose Indonesia.

brendanwor
Sep 7, 2005

ReindeerF posted:

To maintain my low impact lifestyle and also because me in my bus and you in your taxi are moving at almost the same speed through the lovely traffic, heh.

Motosai wins in that department imo :colbert:

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Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel
So my trip is about a week out, trying to get the first few days in Bangkok hashed out. Anyone have suggestions for decently (1000-1200B max)priced accommodation in a place which isn't on Khao San Road?

Additionally, anyone (especially you expats) have some suggestions for some non-standard activities in the city? (ie. aside from Wat Pho, Wat Arun, etc)

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